Poor comments on Bangladesh by Geoffrey Boycott

[Varun]

"They're not quite minnows anymore, they've had one or two good performances but I think we are getting carried away a little bit," Boycott told ESPNcricinfo's Bowl at Boycs. "Beating India occasionally, and Pakistan or Sri Lanka, doesn't send waves through the cricket world. Sorry, I don't want to put a damper on your excitement for Bangladesh but nearly all Bangladesh's good performances are at home. That doesn't make the world of cricket sit up until you go to Australia or South Africa or New Zealand, and beat them in their countries…that will be a huge step and we will all take notice."

"I accept that one of their very best performances was beating England in Adelaide in the World Cup," Boycott said. "I was there, Bangladesh were superb, I enjoyed their cricket and it's the best I've seen from them. But Bangladesh can't live on just an occasional or odd one-day performance win. They need to go abroad and start winning Test matches against the big boys. As I said, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, England have all got much better Test sides in them in their countries. You've got to go and do that a bit."

"Cricket lovers want Bangladesh to succeed, no doubt about that, but you've got to accept that lots and lots of ICC money has been poured into Bangladesh cricket for many years now," Boycott said. "And quite honestly, we, the cricketing nations of the world, need to see more from them. Bangladesh have a huge cricket-mad population and I realise it takes time to be able to match the big countries. It's always happened like that - it took time for West Indies, New Zealand, Pakistan after partition, even India were not able to match England or Australia on equal terms in the early days. Now they are.

"But none of these countries received a financial help or clout that Bangladesh have had over the years. They've had loads of money. These countries had to make a lot on their own, there wasn't money around, there wasn't television revenue for ICC, or whoever run world cricket, to pour in to India, Pakistan, New Zealand, West Indies when they were in their infancy.

"And Sri Lanka, let me tell you. I've forgotten them but I shouldn't because they've been wonderful…they've won a World Cup. I want them (Bangladesh) to enjoy their success but I don't think you need to get carried away, you need to keep it in perspective because more is required. An occasional one-day is lovely but we need more."

Bangladesh winning ODIs and tests away is the logical next step, but why the heavy bias from this guy? Why is it that they have to specifically go to Aus, SA and NZ and win to be considered a non-minnow?

 

[Slog]

Makes fair points

don't see whats the issue

Bang HAS received a lot of support which no other nation did. Ofcourse having a cricket mad population of that size helps

 

[Neferpitou]

Agreed on most of it except the part [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] highlights. If we go by those standards, then Aus is a minnow because they can't win in the SC period.

 

[Uzair Gooner]

Every Asian batsman had to prove himself in Aus NZ & Eng to be regarded by them, while Aussies & English cricketrs always remain great even if they do nothing in Asia.
This is a typical response from Boycott

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Where are the poor comments?

 

[Stallion__]

Don't think he said much wrong here.

The toughest challenge for SC teams is to win outside Asia, thats what he is emphasizing on.

He is just making a point that they shouldn't get carried away by these performances and look to do better overseas and in tests.

Maybe Boycs isn't showing the best sense of occasion but considering the larger picture of things, his comments are fine.

 

[Bullet Drive]

whats he said that is bad ?

Varun is losing it

 

[IndianWillow]

Bangladesh winning ODIs and tests away is the logical next step, but why the heavy bias from this guy? Why is it that they have to specifically go to Aus, SA and NZ and win to be considered a non-minnow?

Away ODI wins are a must to be considered a good cricketing nation. Away test wins are hard to come by, they should begin with the ODIs. Bangladesh has won 5 out of 65 away ODI matches since they were given the ODI status, which is one in thirteen games. If we include neutral zones, their win count increases to 10/108 or one in eleven games, which is also very poor. A good number of these wins is against the weak side WI. They have not improved their away game in recent times either, they are becoming stronger only at home. Bangladesh may be on the rise, but they still haven't reached the tipping point to be considered a good ODI side.

 

[BDwarriors]

The money thing sound fishy,,,as if ICC puring down money like rain to BCB

 

[Scrolln]

I can only remember a handful of instances India won ODI series away from SC.

2008 in Aus, 2009 in NZ, 2002 in Eng and a few more. Same for Pakistan. How many times have SL won ODI series abroad? Lets not even get into tests.

We need to give Bang time. At least they can bully at home now. Will do their confidence a lot of good.

 

[BDwarriors]

I can only remember a handful of instances India won ODI series away from SC.

2008 in Aus, 2009 in NZ, 2002 in Eng and a few more. Same for Pakistan. How many times have SL won ODI series abroad? Lets not even get into tests.

We need to give Bang time. At least they can bully at home now. Will do their confidence a lot of good.

yes BD should get boost from home wins,but sadly the fans turning out crazy and think BD is next world sensation...

 

[Anik Sharma]

Away ODI wins are a must to be considered a good cricketing nation. Away test wins are hard to come by, they should begin with the ODIs. Bangladesh has won 5 out of 65 away ODI matches since they were given the ODI status, which is one in thirteen games. If we include neutral zones, their win count increases to 10/108 or one in eleven games, which is also very poor. A good number of these wins is against the weak side WI. They have not improved their away game in recent times either, they are becoming stronger only at home. Bangladesh may be on the rise, but they still haven't reached the tipping point to be considered a good ODI side.

Just 5! You are out of your..mind bro..
Or did up you excluded ZIM, IRE etc.
then that's wrong !!

 

[Anik Sharma]

Away ODI wins are a must to be considered a good cricketing nation. Away test wins are hard to come by, they should begin with the ODIs. Bangladesh has won 5 out of 65 away ODI matches since they were given the ODI status, which is one in thirteen games. If we include neutral zones, their win count increases to 10/108 or one in eleven games, which is also very poor. A good number of these wins is against the weak side WI. They have not improved their away game in recent times either, they are becoming stronger only at home. Bangladesh may be on the rise, but they still haven't reached the tipping point to be considered a good ODI side.

Just 5! You are out of your..mind bro..
Or did you excluded ZIM, IRE etc.
then that's wrong !!

+ most of overseas(Eng,AUS) matches we played Pre 2010 era. Then our status even in ODI was very very poor !
If we check over all stats BD will always be lagging behind. You must see the 'recent' outcomes.
You see..in your style of observation IND is worser Odi team than PAK bcos Pak won more matches.
But that's not true..right. Think in that way.

 

[Enforcer]

Spot on from boycott. Bangladesh need to prove a lot..

 

[zafarsyed]

Their batsmen are good enough to score in all conditions but their bowlers are only effective on slow wickets at home. Their batsmen have shown the technique, temperament, and strokes to make you think they can cope in foreign conditions and proved it during the World Cup in Australia/New Zealand. However, it was their bowling that came up short during the WC that led to their defeats and still seem a bit short compared to other nations in fast bowling/fielding department.

No one can take away their dominance in home conditions but they have to win games away from home on more consistent basis to be considered peers with the elite teams in International Cricket.

 

[Markhor]

Nothing wrong in what Boycott said.

 

[#GreenRoars]

What every people say, but we should admit Bangladesh is improving alot.

 

[WrexEverything]

Yeah, I agree with the others, there's nothing poor about those comments. Was being quite balanced and fair.

 

[Tec15]

I wonder how exactly Bangladesh are supposed to win Test Matches in England, Australia and South Africa when they don't even play in these countries and haven't toured there in years, And lol at their win against England in the World Cup being considered one of their "best performances". Actually it was just a run of the mill performance and they've played much better. Doesn't take much to beat **** like England and they have won three out their last four games against the English after all, but to toffs like Boycott it's only an "odd one-day performance". Sure it'll always be an odd or one one off performance when teams like England only ever deign to play Bangladesh in ICC tourneys where they're forced to.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Boycs calls a spade a spade.

 

[IndianWillow]

Just 5! You are out of your..mind bro..
Or did you excluded ZIM, IRE etc.
then that's wrong !!

+ most of overseas(Eng,AUS) matches we played Pre 2010 era. Then our status even in ODI was very very poor !
If we check over all stats BD will always be lagging behind. You must see the 'recent' outcomes.
You see..in your style of observation IND is worser Odi team than PAK bcos Pak won more matches.
But that's not true..right. Think in that way.

Yeah, I included the matches only against top 8 teams which is what Boycs refers to. Please don't bring in India here as India is a two time WC champ and has to do nothing to prove that they are a good side in ODIs. If you ask me whether Bangla is currently a minnow, I would say no, but if you ask me whether they are a good side, I would say they have a lot more to prove, and home wins alone don't make you a good side.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

The way he is saying one or Two good performances it seems we won one or two ODIs at home. Its very clear he doesn't follow Bangladesh cricket much because he mentioned Sri Lanka there instead of NZ or WI :v

I want to know which other minnow below or around Bangladesh has beaten NZ,WI,Ind,Pak in full series and whitewashed them in recent times or won more than one match vs a good team in a series at home or away

 

[Buffet]

"They need to go abroad and start winning Test matches against the big boys"

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It's like putting a cart before horse. BD has not won anything in test at home and he is talking about winning away. Probably, Boycott didn't see that BD sole aim was to draw test matches at home and that's why he is asking for moon here.

BD simply needs to starts winning some tests at home against big guys and they don't have to win away. Winning even 4-5 tests at home will be a giant leap. Winning away tests shouldn't be the aim for BD right now. Aim should be to at least try to win tests at home. You can't be really counted as big guys if you play so poor cricket in the Test format.

Immediate goal should be to win ODIs away and tests at home. That will earn plenty of respect from fans worldwide. BD doesn't need to set a goal to win away tests at this moment.

 

[Buffet]

The way he is saying one or Two good performances it seems we won one or two ODIs at home. Its very clear he doesn't follow Bangladesh cricket much because he mentioned Sri Lanka there instead of NZ or WI :v

I want to know which other minnow below or around Bangladesh has beaten NZ,WI,Ind,Pak in full series and whitewashed them in recent times or won more than one match vs a good team in a series at home or away

I guess, he may be using the minnows tag for teams not able to play test cricket.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

I dont get the point of proving yourself in Aus, SA and the likes.

What has Australia done in Asia recently? Got owned in every series. Does anyone calls it a minnow due to that?

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

"They need to go abroad and start winning Test matches against the big boys"

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It's like putting a cart before horse. BD has not won anything in test at home and he is talking about winning away. Probably, Boycott didn't see that BD sole aim was to draw test matches at home and that's why he is asking for moon here.

BD simply needs to starts winning some tests at home against big guys and they don't have to win away. Winning even 4-5 tests at home will be a giant leap. Winning away tests shouldn't be the aim for BD right now. Aim should be to at least try to win tests at home. You can't be really counted as big guys if you play so poor cricket in the Test format.

Immediate goal should be to win ODIs away and tests at home. That will earn plenty of respect from fans worldwide. BD doesn't need to set a goal to win away tests at this moment.

None of our four bowlers in ODIs play tests neither does players like shabbir or nasir. that's having an effect I think in transferring ODI success to test and also Mushfiq sucks as captain.
Need the main bowlers to play test cricket to get 20 wickets. And players need to take test cricket seriously, I have a feeling they slack off when playing that format and don't give full effort.

 

[Thivagar]

I've been telling everyone that they will only continue to improve and they have. This improvement is not enough. They do need to win a game or two abroad or at least lose with some reputation.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

I've been telling everyone that they will only continue to improve and they have. This improvement is not enough. They do need to win a game or two abroad or at least lose with some reputation.

This is just the beginning let this new look Bangladesh team tour more overseas first. All will come with time now that they have shown they can win, we are expecting all things at once.

 

[cricketInsight]

Boycott is still haunted by England's world cup exit at the hands of Bangladesh.

He is not giving due credit - certainly no one is comparing Bangladesh to Australia but you have to appreciate that they are improving and rising in the ODI table. Whether they are a good test side or not is a separate question.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Boycott is still haunted by England's world cup exit at the hands of Bangladesh.

He is not giving due credit - certainly no one is comparing Bangladesh to Australia but you have to appreciate that they are improving and rising in the ODI table. Whether they are a good test side or not is a separate question.

Agreed. He is dismissing bangladesh on the premise that they are not world beaters yet.

Like, not everyone can be a world beater. But from punching bags to a good mid table team is a massive success.

 

[Buffet]

This is just the beginning let this new look Bangladesh team tour more overseas first. All will come with time now that they have shown they can win, we are expecting all things at once.

Preciously. BD is not gong to become a major cricket force immediately but winning at home, even ODI games, on consistent basis is a huge progress. Everyone needs to appreciate that.

Some trolls talk about BD being giant and all that but I am surprised to see Boycott talking about BD wining away test to gain respect. BD doesn't need to do that. Winning tests at home will be a great step and that should be the first step. If BD can be a good test team in home conditions, it will earn lots of respect.

 

[Buffet]

Agreed. He is dismissing bangladesh on the premise that they are not world beaters yet.

Like, not everyone can be a world beater. But from punching bags to a good mid table team is a massive success.

In general, English fans/experts will always put 10 times more emphasis on the test format than ODI. I don't think that BD will be counted as a mid table team by them unless BD starts winning tests at home. BD hasn't won anything in test so far and that does have a huge impact on how BD is viewed by Eng fans/experts.

If you see it with open mind then Boycott is not too wrong here but he is taking it too far by saying that BD needs to win away tests to gain respect. I know in Asia, ODI games have higher profile than in Eng but you have to see from his perspective.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

It doesn't matter what Boycott thinks of us, its very evident he doesn't probably even read the scorecards or results of matches happening around the world much now after reading that article, getting too old probably.

I would like to see his English team tour Bangladesh soon though with him as commentator

 

[Khizr96]

Bangladesh winning ODIs and tests away is the logical next step, but why the heavy bias from this guy? Why is it that they have to specifically go to Aus, SA and NZ and win to be considered a non-minnow?

Hahahaha the points i have been saying for so long
Truee Bangladesh arr still minnows

 

[Executioner]

Why is Geoffrey highlighting on the number of away wins for Bangladesh? Let me tell you how many "tours" we have had over the last few years

WI tour in 2014
Zimbabwe and SL tour in 2013
Toured Ireland Netherlands for some T20s only in 2012
In 2011 we toured only Zimbabwe.

Remind if I missed out anything. Now brothers. Now that is like 3-4 proper tours in a space of 4 years. How are we supposed to prove out worth overseas then? Pakistan hasn't invited us to UAE, India never did invite us, NZ didn't invite us either despite us posing a big threat to them.

Point being made is we can only do well outside, if we are given the oppurtunity. Its like saying that no one from a particular village will be particularly well educated without giving anyone the scope to prove how well educated he is. Speaking of which we have beat England 3 times in the last 4 matches. First in ENGLAND, 2nd in a WC match IN BD, and 3rd in Australia this year.

About tests we have a long way to go. We are struggling at home even still but once the likes of Mustafiz, Taskin and the U-19 stars get into the test side we will have a fresh test side which won't be filled with Hacks like Imrul, Bradmans like Shahadat and Rubel, or ODI specialists like Soumya Sarkar.

 

[Executioner]

Hahahaha the points i have been saying for so long
Truee Bangladesh arr still minnows

Your points are simply based on blind hatred. Some of the points you have made in the previous threads is absolutely devoid of sense. Its one thing being a "critic" of Bangladesh. We have a lot of critics of Bangladesh team, even we the die-hard fans are critical of our team when they are not playing to their expectations.

But you are just blind hater spewing your hatred with a keyboard on internet forums, making it eyesore for people like us. Calling us a minnow even after how we absolutely annihilated you in all 3 departments in the ODIs and T20s in the previous series and you still have the audacity to label as minnows. I am not denying that we are below par in tests. But when you mean minnows, you mean that we are a poor team overall and will continue to remain substandard till the end of the world.

 

[Mauryan]

What does he mean by Bangladesh receiving lots of money? Bangladesh is a full member nation and gets its rightful share from the ICC but he's trying to make it sound like ICC is pouring tremendous amount of money on Bangladesh only.

 

[pakistani pride]

Winning tests abroad?
How about they win a few tests at home first.

 

[Rizwan25]

I made the same comment a few days back.

Forget non subcontinent teams, until bangladesh beats india, pak and srilanka in a away series. People wont take them that seriosily.

 

[BDwarriors]

Hahahaha the points i have been saying for so long
Truee Bangladesh arr still minnows

geof is following your comment in PP .

 

[Belawal2014]

How are these 'poor' comments?

 

[GenericBrand]

Boycott was never a big fan in the first place

 

[Energetic]

He clearly doesn't like rise of BD Cricket. He of all people should understand that BD don't get invited to play away.

 

[cricketworm]

I can only remember a handful of instances India won ODI series away from SC.

2008 in Aus, 2009 in NZ, 2002 in Eng and a few more. Same for Pakistan. How many times have SL won ODI series abroad? Lets not even get into tests.

We need to give Bang time. At least they can bully at home now. Will do their confidence a lot of good.

Last 10 years team being in away/neutral ground tournament finals and either winning or losing it!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

 

[BigBoy123]

Bangladeshi Bros have improved Alot...they can beat anyside in any venue in limited over crkt...their next aim should be to alteast reach semi final of next t20 WC

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[sh47]

Bangladesh winning ODIs and tests away is the logical next step, but why the heavy bias from this guy? Why is it that they have to specifically go to Aus, SA and NZ and win to be considered a non-minnow?

Well nothing wrong in what he is saying, BD are yet to perform in Test matches home or away. They are starting to perform well in ODIs though and who'd have thought that after all these years they would reach the WC QF in Australia of all places.

 

[sully3]

Bangladesh are about a decade too late to the party. They should have been allot better than they are right now.
At times during the years you really have to question Bangladesh status as a test playing nation, they were awful at times.

 

[angrypathan]

Nothing poor about his comments.

 

[MMHS]

I think, it's fine. He did praise the achievement with a few words of caution. After all those hype, things 'll go back to squire, if we finish CT 2017 like PAK of 2013 CT.

Boycott is an old school Englishman, that too from Yorkshire, 'll always value Test & rightly so. Also, away wins are like gold, always valued highly - that's an status symbol. It took IND almost 35 years to win an away Test (?), NZ probably even longer and from 1986 to 2001, IND won only 2 Tests outside home - at Colombo & at Dhaka, probably indicates how tough it is.

It should be our target as well - to win away ODI & then compete for 5 days in Away Tests, before pushing for a win. I think, our attack 'll do decently in UK, SAF or NZ ODIs as the pacers 'll like the wickets & condition, while the WI wickets are more Asian than Caribbean now days. Batting was never the biggest problem & team is fielding brilliantly, besides, I think Liton is a much better WK. I think, we 'll do much better in ODI in those countries than expected, but AUS 'll always be tough.

However, one thing for sure, if Geoff's countrymen visits BD now, 'll have a real hiding in ODI; with Moeen/Adil Bhai as main spinners, ENG 'll need 6 days to take 20 wickets, .

 

[Couch Cricketer]

I think, it's fine. He did praise the achievement with a few words of caution. After all those hype, things 'll go back to squire, if we finish CT 2017 like PAK of 2013 CT.

Boycott is an old school Englishman, that too from Yorkshire, 'll always value Test & rightly so. Also, away wins are like gold, always valued highly - that's an status symbol. It took IND almost 35 years to win an away Test (?), NZ probably even longer and from 1986 to 2001, IND won only 2 Tests outside home - at Colombo & at Dhaka, probably indicates how tough it is.

It should be our target as well - to win away ODI & then compete for 5 days in Away Tests, before pushing for a win. I think, our attack 'll do decently in UK, SAF or NZ ODIs as the pacers 'll like the wickets & condition, while the WI wickets are more Asian than Caribbean now days. Batting was never the biggest problem & team is fielding brilliantly, besides, I think Liton is a much better WK. I think, we 'll do much better in ODI in those countries than expected, but AUS 'll always be tough.

However, one thing for sure, if Geoff's countrymen visits BD now, 'll have a real hiding in ODI; with Moeen/Adil Bhai as main spinners, ENG 'll need 6 days to take 20 wickets, .

I didnt see anything here that he said wrong. Bangladesh has improved but should not get carried away they still have a ways to go. Bangladesh has to start beating teams in tests at home before they can even think of beating them away.

 

[Anfield]

Bangladesh needs to take Test cricket seriously only then people would take notice of their achievements. Most critics and expert don't follow bilateral ODI series hence Bangladesh's good performances in ODI are not holding a lot of weight.

 

[Mainul]

Why is Geoffrey highlighting on the number of away wins for Bangladesh? Let me tell you how many "tours" we have had over the last few years

WI tour in 2014
Zimbabwe and SL tour in 2013
Toured Ireland Netherlands for some T20s only in 2012
In 2011 we toured only Zimbabwe.

Remind if I missed out anything. Now brothers. Now that is like 3-4 proper tours in a space of 4 years. How are we supposed to prove out worth overseas then? Pakistan hasn't invited us to UAE, India never did invite us, NZ didn't invite us either despite us posing a big threat to them.

Point being made is we can only do well outside, if we are given the oppurtunity. Its like saying that no one from a particular village will be particularly well educated without giving anyone the scope to prove how well educated he is. Speaking of which we have beat England 3 times in the last 4 matches. First in ENGLAND, 2nd in a WC match IN BD, and 3rd in Australia this year.

About tests we have a long way to go. We are struggling at home even still but once the likes of Mustafiz, Taskin and the U-19 stars get into the test side we will have a fresh test side which won't be filled with Hacks like Imrul, Bradmans like Shahadat and Rubel, or ODI specialists like Soumya Sarkar.

Agree.
I hope at least we can travel India and UAE and win some matches there.

 

[Pantani]

Well he is right in saying that for an Asian team the hardest (and therefore most valued) thing to do is to win matches in the southern hemisphere. However the way he has phrased it makes it sound like an Asian team is not to be taken seriously until it can do this, which is unfair.

 

[GenericBrand]

Weird he is talking about winning tests abroad, BD have yet to master winning tests at home let alone abroad...

 

[Scrolln]

Last 10 years team being in away/neutral ground tournament finals and either winning or losing it!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

I am talking about outside the SC.

2001-2011 WC was the golden period for Indian cricket. We won ODI series in Pakistan, England, Australia, NZ (even SL and WI i think?) Drew test series in Aus/SA, won in Eng/Pak etc. And of course the WORLD CUP.

But our away stats throughout the 70's,80's and especially 90's were absolutely rubbish. It took us a long, long time to finally start winning overseas.

Bangladesh have just started winning at home.

 

[Major]

Every now and then there are people who whinge that Bangladesh hasn't improved ever since it got Test Membership, and when they suddenly start improving, the home excuse comes up. Yes, Bangladesh is only winning home games currently, but Lets not forget that there was a time when Bangladesh couldn't even win at home, and yet here we are talking about them winning away. And to be unbeaten in the last 10 home game is not a small record either.

If you want Bangladesh cricket to improve, you can't expect them to start winning each and every game, you can't expect them to reach the quarters of every world cup, it takes time, there are set of objectives that need to be achieved in order to achieve a major objective.

The main first goal for every minnow team should be, bullies at home. Once you start bullying at home, only then would you set up a fan base, confidence amongest players, and influence others into joining the sport, and also the financial aspects that fund the game.

Although, if someone calls Bangladesh a bully, a Bangladeshi fan should not feel insulted, they should feel proud, that at-last, there are cricketing countries that are jealous of there success, that other nations think twice when playing Bangladesh at there home grounds. No more second 11 teams playing as international.

Though, Bangladesh's improvement did not come from these few home wins, or from those NZ whitewashes, not even from those Asia cup wins. But they invested money in club cricket.

Do you know, that club cricketers have contracts in Bangladesh?

Our club cricketers dont even get a single rupee here in Pakistan, infact, the clubs force there club cricketers to fund the club itself.

Who says that ICC is wasting money by investing in Bangladesh? At first i use to think so to, but then i realize; its not in Bangladesh where money is being wasted, its in Pakistan, where clubs do not receive a single penny from there boards and are self funded.

Geoffry Boycott needs to come down to pakistan and visit our clubs, and then go to Bangladesh and visit their clubs aswell.

Infact, even Canada is probably paying its club cricketers aswell.

 

[Executioner]

Every now and then there are people who whinge that Bangladesh hasn't improved ever since it got Test Membership, and when they suddenly start improving, the home excuse comes up. Yes, Bangladesh is only winning home games currently, but Lets not forget that there was a time when Bangladesh couldn't even win at home, and yet here we are talking about them winning away. And to be unbeaten in the last 10 home game is not a small record either.

If you want Bangladesh cricket to improve, you can't expect them to start winning each and every game, you can't expect them to reach the quarters of every world cup, it takes time, there are set of objectives that need to be achieved in order to achieve a major objective.

The main first goal for every minnow team should be, bullies at home. Once you start bullying at home, only then would you set up a fan base, confidence amongest players, and influence others into joining the sport, and also the financial aspects that fund the game.

Although, if someone calls Bangladesh a bully, a Bangladeshi fan should not feel insulted, they should feel proud, that at-last, there are cricketing countries that are jealous of there success, that other nations think twice when playing Bangladesh at there home grounds. No more second 11 teams playing as international.

Though, Bangladesh's improvement did not come from these few home wins, or from those NZ whitewashes, not even from those Asia cup wins. But they invested money in club cricket.

Do you know, that club cricketers have contracts in Bangladesh?

Our club cricketers dont even get a single rupee here in Pakistan, infact, the clubs force there club cricketers to fund the club itself.

Who says that ICC is wasting money by investing in Bangladesh? At first i use to think so to, but then i realize; its not in Bangladesh where money is being wasted, its in Pakistan, where clubs do not receive a single penny from there boards and are self funded.

Geoffry Boycott needs to come down to pakistan and visit our clubs, and then go to Bangladesh and visit their clubs aswell.

Infact, even Canada is probably paying its club cricketers aswell.

+1

It didn't make sense for Boycott to say Bangladesh were "priviliged" to get so much ICC funding. Yes we got plenty but we had plenty of our own thanks to huge population and a decent club system where foreigners came to play from time to time

 

[Buffet]

After Steyn, it's now Boycott's turn to face the music. He is responding to BD fan's on tweeter, lol.

 

[IndianWillow]

The main reason Bangladesh receives all the flak is because they were introduced too hastily into test cricket. As a test playing nation, they were expected to stand up and get counted at least in ODIs, but it has taken them some two decades to start winning ODIs at home. In test cricket, they were absolute minnows when they were introduced, they still are absolute minnows - they are yet to win a single test match, home or away (let alone a series) against any team other than Zimboks and a weak WI side.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...eam=25;template=results;type=team;view=series

I wouldn't blame Bangladesh, because it is quite difficult for a new test playing nation to play against other top nations. Bangla were rushed without letting them get practice through a lot of A tours to test playing nations. Almost every test series played by Bangla was one sided and boring. Because of this, their improvements in ODIs tend to be viewed under grey tinted glasses.

 

[Executioner]

I can't disagree that we are still below average in Test cricket but we have the oppurtunity to be better.

I think the problem is, we failed to win matches which were there for the taking. The multan test in 2004, against the Mighty Aussies in 2006, WI in 2012 and such. If managed to win those matches we would have had the confidence to win more matches but since we never managed those wins, it has become a psychological block for us.

At the same time, we pick defensive team with 8 batsman, prepare highways which will never yield result in our favour. FGS when WI and NZ toured us we could have prepared turners to tackle them but it was the same story. As of now, the only team we can win against is WI and SL who are weak and that is not an expected result

 

[Buffet]

The main reason Bangladesh receives all the flak is because they were introduced too hastily into test cricket. As a test playing nation, they were expected to stand up and get counted at least in ODIs, but it has taken them some two decades to start winning ODIs at home. In test cricket, they were absolute minnows when they were introduced, they still are absolute minnows - they are yet to win a single test match, home or away (let alone a series) against any team other than Zimboks and a weak WI side.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...eam=25;template=results;type=team;view=series

I wouldn't blame Bangladesh, because it is quite difficult for a new test playing nation to play against other top nations. Bangla were rushed without letting them get practice through a lot of A tours to test playing nations. Almost every test series played by Bangla was one sided and boring. Because of this, their improvements in ODIs tend to be viewed under grey tinted glasses.

Many fans mistakenly take number of test matches played by BD to argue that they have played enough and they should have improved. Comparison with other countries, which improved with time with less number of test matches, is faulty. It takes few generations to improve. Playing the same cricketers for 40-50 Tests are not going to make a good test team if you start from low level.

 

[Executioner]

Many fans mistakenly take number of test matches played by BD to argue that they have played enough and they should have improved. Comparison with other countries, which improved with time with less number of test matches, is faulty. It takes few generations to improve. Playing the same cricketers for 40-50 Tests are not going to make a good test team if you start from low level.

Quite true, we were always on the backfoot.

And it also hurts Bangladesh that when we started with tests, our rivals Zimbabwe went to a hiatus from tests which actually hurt our progress. I think Bangladesh would do well to play some longer format games with Ireland and Zimbabwe away from home. I think winning will give us confidence because atm our team looks like they are playing in tests just for the sake of it

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Doesn't have any comments from boycott after England's 3 day test (!) defeat by Bangladesh. Would love to hear some words from him.

 

[OS_89]

Doesn't have any comments from boycott after England's 3 day test (!) defeat by Bangladesh. Would love to hear some words from him.

As if Boycott would hold back when criticizing England

The great thing about Boycs is that he loves tearing into bad cricket, especially when it's England. He is the opposite of partisan... he enjoys verbally demolishing his own country's team.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I think some people just need to be a little less sensitive. Nothing wrong with what Boycott said and the guy isn't a hypocrite. When England play badly he gives them a verbal thrashing way worse than this.

 

[Sherlock]

Jeez, it's like Boycott should get on all fours and beg for forgiveness...

1 Test win and all of a sudden they're throwing shade at other

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Whatever boycott said at that time was right. Bangladesh has improved a lot after that.

 

[FreakCricket]

Doesn't have any comments from boycott after England's 3 day test (!) defeat by Bangladesh. Would love to hear some words from him.

he said overseas win so his argument is still valid, Bangladesh needs to win overseas against big boys!

 

[BD-fan]

How funny!!! We didn't play a series in last 6+ years, Test or ODIs against SA, Aus, NZ, or Eng. So all the stats Boycott has is pre 2010. Last time we travelled to England we did beat them at their home soil. He just doesn't remember because it has been so long.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/426404.html
By the way, these are the series BD went after getting the test status in 2000.
2001 and 2008 @ NZ.
2002 and 2008 @ SA.
2003 @ Aus.
2005 and 2010 @ Eng.

I wonder, which team won a test in their first 2 tours or won a test in first 10 years in those countries..

Of course it is a logical step we have to do better overseas. Who doesn't know this or argues this? But first we have get an invitation to play, no?

 

[Executioner]

Hope we keep on improving here onwards so that our biggest critics will become our biggest fans.

Not too long ago fans in this forum were hoping Bangladesh loses test status and teams like Oman be awarded test status(after the Oman folks beat Ireland). Now people are starting to accept the fact that we are not minnows anymore.

Long way to go still, but with the NZ tour coming up we can start making bigger strides. I believe the tour will be very difficult as our boys aren't used to playing on bouncy wickets green wickets. Massive challenge but nothing we can't handle.

Even if we lose all the matches, it will still be a learning curve for us. We haven't played a proper series in these 4 countries: Eng/SA/NZ/Aus for 6 whole years.

 

[Someguy]

Agree with every geoffeey said. I have been saying the same thing. Whats the issue? Everything is an issue nowadays and everyone must be politicaly correctd. Whats going on?

 

[aloo paratha]

Nothing wrong with what he said, especially as he said it more than a year ago, makes sense, I don't know why anyone would call these comments poor.

 

[Saj]

Geoffrey's ok.

He says it how he sees it. Nothing malicious in what he says.

He's just a typical Yorkshireman who doesn't hold back when voicing an opinion.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Mr.Boycott has conveniently forgotten that neither of India , Pakistan and Sri Lanka have ever won a test series in Australia and South Africa in their existence. it's too much to expect Bangladesh to win in those places.

And with New Zealand being so much stronger in today's era realistically speaking the only place Bangladesh could hope for a test series win is in West Indies or Sri Lanka. It's been an eternity since Bangladesh last toured England. And BD has never toured UAE or India.

 

[Usman]

Sorry but Geoffrey Boycott's comments are still true today. Just because England played poorly in alien conditions doesn't mean Bangla are suddenly world beaters.

What happens when Bangla plays on a flat wicket? Those spinners don't get the same turn and all of a sudden Bangla is exposed again because of its weak batting line up. Apart from Tamin (who is inconsistent), no one is a good enough test bat - their individual stats show that. And all the pacers are well below par.

I don't mean to throw cold water over the Bangla flame but I am afraid Bangla still remains a poor side.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't see anything wrong with what Geoffrey has said. Bangladesh are minnows. They still have everything to prove. Where as Pak, India and Sri Lanka struggle in Australia and South Africa as well the Bangladeshis struggle everywhere. A good win at home versus England does not make them good. Firstly they have to beat other sub continental teams regularly before even thinking of conquering the west. There is not one player in the Bangladesh team that excites me.

 

[Bilal7]

Nothing wrong with what he said. Bangladesh are not better than any other team, barring Zimbabwe, in test cricket. Even in ODIs, they would most likely lose heavily yo teams like West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka in neutral conditions.

 

[Executioner]

Nothing wrong with what he said. Bangladesh are not better than any other team, barring Zimbabwe, in test cricket. Even in ODIs, they would most likely lose heavily yo teams like West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka in neutral conditions.

Bangladesh ODI team looks far better than the sides you mentioned.

Here is our best possible ODI side:

Tamim
Imrul/soumya
Sabbir
Mushy
Shakib
Riad
Mosaddek
Miraz
Mash
Taskin
Mustafiz

And for the record Mirpur suits Pakistan and India as much as it suits Bangladesh but the record stands 5-1 in our favor in terms of recent encounters in ODIs

West Indies look doesn't look good in ODIs. Pakistan has improved a bit true that. SL-not so sure to be honest.

But I am pretty sure we will be highly competitive against the teams you mentioned if not favourites in neutral conditions

 

[Bilal7]

They have good players but need a shift in mentality. That will come in time.

 

[Messiah]

What is wrong with these Bangla supporters. Boycott said nothing wrong and it's a fair criticism. People can't now share their opinion? Everyone has to be locking Bangla teams feet even though they have been minnow for so long? I like the Bangla team but they have some low mentality fans (some are level-headed)