Proud to be Indian?

[KingKhanWC]

I would like to request our Indian posters to list why they are proud to be Indians?

Or if not, why not?

 

[PakLFC]

They have been brainwashed by their media and history books of India being this and that. Truth is it is a third world country full of all sorts of evils. That their people try to reach Canada and the USA via Mexico on dingy boats tells us everything. India is easily one of the worst countries on earth make no mistake about this.

 

[Local.Dada]

Feels good when someone assumes that I am automatically good at math and science or with computers just because I am from India lol.

Even the negative sterotype of the meek and scared Indian feels good because we are basically seen as pacifist people and people who keep their head down and stay out of trouble and only positively contribute to the countries they live in.

Also as a religious Hindu it feels good to be able to visit my own motherland for my pilgrimage instead of a foreign country. Hatsoff to the resilience of Indians to preserve the culture of a country that has suffered so many foreign invasions. Look at Iraq/ Egypt or on the extreme side USA, their indigenous culture has pretty much been wiped out. I thank my ancestors for playing a part in help preserving. the culture too.

I will leave some points for my Indian friends here. Don’t want to bogart the thread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Feels good when someone assumes that I am automatically good at math and science or with computers just because I am from India lol.

Even the negative sterotype of the meek and scared Indian feels good because we are basically seen as pacifist people and people who keep their head down and stay out of trouble and only positively contribute to the countries they live in.

Also as a religious Hindu it feels good to be able to visit my own motherland for my pilgrimage instead of a foreign country. Hatsoff to the resilience of Indians to preserve the culture of a country that has suffered so many foreign invasions. Look at Iraq/ Egypt or on the extreme side USA, their indigenous culture has pretty much been wiped out. I thank my ancestors for playing a part in help preserving. the culture too.

I will leave some points for my Indian friends here. Don’t want to bogart the thread.

Thanks.

I dont think one should be proud of stereptpyes but to be proud of culture makes sense.

 

[Lego20]

Proud of the country for upholding and defending its righteousness in face of extreme circumstances.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Proud of the country for upholding and defending its righteousness in face of extreme circumstances.

Please expand, are you implying its defence against China or something else?

 

[Napa]

I would like to request our Indian posters to list why they are proud to be Indians?

Or if not, why not?

It is a very diverse country, as diverse as all of Europe.

Historically, the biggest achievements of Indians have been intellectual. It is where many religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism etc. originated. Indians have made many contributions to meditation, yoga, spiritualism etc.

In the sciences, again there are many contributions. To mention a few:

Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics

The school flourished between the 14th and 16th centuries and the original discoveries of the school seems to have ended with Narayana Bhattathiri (1559–1632). In attempting to solve astronomical problems, the Kerala school independently discovered a number of important mathematical concepts. Their most important results—series expansion for trigonometric functions—were described in Sanskrit verse in a book by Neelakanta called Tantrasangraha, and again in a commentary on this work, called Tantrasangraha-vakhya, of unknown authorship. The theorems were stated without proof, but proofs for the series for sine, cosine, and inverse tangent were provided a century later in the work Yuktibhasa (c. 1500 – c. 1610), written in Malayalam, by Jyesthadeva, and also in a commentary on Tantrasangraha.[1]

Their work, completed two centuries before the invention of calculus in Europe, provided what is now considered the first example of a power series (apart from geometric series).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala_school_of_astronomy_and_mathematics

Meghand Saha and Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar.

The preponderance of hydrogen in the Sun was confirmed in 1925 by Cecilia Payne using the ionization theory developed by Meghnad Saha. The theoretical concept of fusion was developed in the 1930s by the astrophysicists Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar and Hans Bethe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Development_of_scientific_understanding

Becoming a CEO of a company is also an intellectual achievement (knowledge of the industry, ability to analyze situation and ability to get along with people) and India is producing many CEOs for the world's largest firms.

The Indian pharma industry has made drugs affordable for the world's poor and will save hundred of millions of lives.

The above is only a sampling rather than an extensive list.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is a very diverse country, as diverse as all of Europe.

Historically, the biggest achievements of Indians have been intellectual. It is where many religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism etc. originated. Indians have made many contributions to meditation, yoga, spiritualism etc.

In the sciences, again there are many contributions. To mention a few:





Becoming a CEO of a company is also an intellectual achievement (knowledge of the industry, ability to analyze situation and ability to get along with people) and India is producing many CEOs for the world's largest firms.

The Indian pharma industry has made drugs affordable for the world's poor and will save hundred of millions of lives.

The above is only a sampling rather than an extensive list.

Some CEO's are only of Indian heritige.

Im also not sure a lot of Indians would be proud of scienctific advances while a large proportion of the land was ruled by Muslims who are seen as invaders.

Do you know of any such proud moments after independence?

 

[Lego20]

Some CEO's are only of Indian heritige.

Im also not sure a lot of Indians would be proud of scienctific advances while a large proportion of the land was ruled by Muslims who are seen as invaders.

Do you know of any such proud moments after independence?

You created a thread about what we are proud of. And now you are going around and questioning/arguing about its corrrectness based on superficial/half knowledge. Explains the intent of the thread.

 

[Napa]

Some CEO's are only of Indian heritige.

Im also not sure a lot of Indians would be proud of scienctific advances while a large proportion of the land was ruled by Muslims who are seen as invaders.

Do you know of any such proud moments after independence?

I was talking about India in general, not Hindu Indians or Muslim Indians. An intellectual achievement is an intellectual achievement, it doesn't matter who the ruler is. Sometimes rulers provided support for the sciences, at other times they didn't.

As for achievements after independence, they are already there in my earlier post, for example Meghnad Saha and the pharma industry. Also, Indian CEOs may be residing abroad but their development took place in India and by nature they remain Indian.

My post mentioned only a fraction of intellectual achievements by Indians. I did not even get subjects like literature (Tagore, Premchand etc.).

 

[amax]

india has won highest no of miss universe

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was talking about India in general, not Hindu Indians or Muslim Indians. An intellectual achievement is an intellectual achievement, it doesn't matter who the ruler is. Sometimes rulers provided support for the sciences, at other times they didn't.

As for achievements after independence, they are already there in my earlier post, for example Meghnad Saha and the pharma industry. Also, Indian CEOs may be residing abroad but their development took place in India and by nature they remain Indian.

My post mentioned only a fraction of intellectual achievements by Indians. I did not even get subjects like literature (Tagore, Premchand etc.).

Nice to read.

I was referring to science achievments or perhaps inventions after independence.

 

[Napa]

Nice to read.

I was referring to science achievments or perhaps inventions after independence.

Science remains neglected in modern India. Most of the best brains go to engineering or medical college. After college the medical graduates mostly become practicing doctors, and the engineers mostly end up doing MBAs or other non-science career paths. It is a real problem.

 

[OldWarHorse]

A nation of truly unbelievable diversity in its roots. Some of the things can seem so alien but its native and just across your state border, maybe even within it.

Travel and stay being rather inexpensive around the country, its something all of us are privileged to experience

 

[jeetu]

I won't say proud , but i am happy for most part. Things have improved quite a bit since 80's. India has quite old history of couple of thousands of year. I have read about it quiet a bit but i have only scratched the surface. Games like Geogussr/Geotastic showed me some great places in India which i never heard about before.

 

[JaDed]

Gave my family a home when my grandparents were chased away from their home villages, more than pride always will be grateful!

I feel lucky to have been in school in 90s and 2000s to see the growth of my country and ability to believe in itself inspite of colonization , hopefully we will always keep improving.

 

[IndoorCricket]

More than anything else I am proud of all the sages and spiritual teachings originated from this land. Few of the most tolerant religions are from India. Our culture teaches us not to tolerate but to accept different people and worldviews. Some of the greatest literature work is from India.

 

[gani999]

Science remains neglected in modern India. Most of the best brains go to engineering or medical college. After college the medical graduates mostly become practicing doctors, and the engineers mostly end up doing MBAs or other non-science career paths. It is a real problem.

Science is anything but neglected in India. It is still one of the top producers of articles in scientific journals. Overall no 7 in the world in the last 25 years.

https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

And being in science myself, I can say that there is a lot of respect for Indian science worldwide.

 

[Napa]

Science is anything but neglected in India. It is still one of the top producers of articles in scientific journals. Overall no 7 in the world in the last 25 years.

https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

And being in science myself, I can say that there is a lot of respect for Indian science worldwide.

Good to hear that, and thanks for the information.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

More than anything else I am proud of all the sages and spiritual teachings originated from this land. Few of the most tolerant religions are from India. Our culture teaches us not to tolerate but to accept different people and worldviews. Some of the greatest literature work is from India.

Lol this is the best line in this thread so far.

Not sure which part of the world you are living in but intolerance towards other religions and opinions is growing in India. And it is only going to get worse from here.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Feels good when someone assumes that I am automatically good at math and science or with computers just because I am from India lol.

Even the negative sterotype of the meek and scared Indian feels good because we are basically seen as pacifist people and people who keep their head down and stay out of trouble and only positively contribute to the countries they live in.

Also as a religious Hindu it feels good to be able to visit my own motherland for my pilgrimage instead of a foreign country. Hatsoff to the resilience of Indians to preserve the culture of a country that has suffered so many foreign invasions. Look at Iraq/ Egypt or on the extreme side USA, their indigenous culture has pretty much been wiped out. I thank my ancestors for playing a part in help preserving. the culture too.

I will leave some points for my Indian friends here. Don’t want to bogart the thread.

What do you mean by this? Or were you trying to take a cheap shot at muslims who go to Saudi Arabia for Hajj?

 

[Napa]

Lol this is the best line in this thread so far.

Not sure which part of the world you are living in but intolerance towards other religions and opinions is growing in India. And it is only going to get worse from here.

If you read history you will find that India has been the refuge for many different people fleeing oppression for thousands of years.

Jews, Parsis, Bohras, Ahmediyas, Ismailis, Armenians, Chinese and many more have made India their home and have flourished.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

More than anything else I am proud of all the sages and spiritual teachings originated from this land. Few of the most tolerant religions are from India. Our culture teaches us not to tolerate but to accept different people and worldviews. Some of the greatest literature work is from India.

This is how I used to see India, but it doesn't seem to be a reflection of India today. Also doesn't help that I grew up with mostly Punjabi Indians who tend to be a bit more loud and less tolerant. South Indians seem to be a lot more chill and easy going.

I read a comment from an Indian poster (Itachi I think) saying Brits had lost their culture, so I am wondering, does anyone feel you could say the same thing about India? Every nation moves on in time, and with the world a global village, surely there is going to be some overlap.

 

[Stewie]

Science remains neglected in modern India. Most of the best brains go to engineering or medical college. After college the medical graduates mostly become practicing doctors, and the engineers mostly end up doing MBAs or other non-science career paths. It is a real problem.

It is a huge problem within the South Asian countries, we are too good at math and sciences and yet its all about finding stable and well paid employment. We all tend to go into medicine and engineering or computer sciences to apply our knowledge in corporate world and very rarely toward R&D/education/advancement, etc. This goes true for whether our best and the brightest stay at home or leave for abroad. A very small percentage goes outside of the corporate sector or regular 9-5 jobs or just practicing medicine.

 

[Stewie]

What do you mean by this? Or were you trying to take a cheap shot at muslims who go to Saudi Arabia for Hajj?

He thinks thats a jibe, lol .. Some look at it as a negative, inbred trait, some may consider it a failure to spread out and expand, but the truth is till you pointed this out, I dont think any of us even noticed this much less took offense to it.
Just shows how tunnel vision affects some people here.

 

[LaLoco]

What do you mean by this? Or were you trying to take a cheap shot at muslims who go to Saudi Arabia for Hajj?

Read it early and ignored it but since you pointed it out then why not

That person can't appreciate the teaching of Hinduism without putting down Islam. Also, can't appreciate India without putting down Pakistan.

 

[LaLoco]

Indians have lot to be proud of, as most sub-continent countries, India has there fair share of issues, the major concern for many Indians should be leaning or ignoring the mass radicalization and intolerance in the name of claiming back the "Hindu India". No amount of economic achievement, number of Indian CEO in western companies (after all they'll go against India for their personal benefit while residing in the west), or Indian billionaires can prevent the damage it will cause.

 

[Stewie]

As a rival, I would say there are certain indian traits one has to admire. They always had democracy, doesnt matter how flawed it is or not, they always have followed a progressive democratic agenda (until Modi came along, I would be remiss to not caveat that)
Their devotion to education and science would be another admirable trait.
Last but not least, their flexibility to change with times and adapt to the modern agenda. Some on our side would call it kowtowing to the west but I feel thats just adaptability.

 

[NishanKonar]

On a different note - there is nothing to be proud of being aan Indian. Or Pakistani. Or Chinese. Or Punjabi. Or Rajput. Or Pashtun. Or Gurjar

None of us chose these identities. Its all due to accident of birth

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is a huge problem within the South Asian countries, we are too good at math and sciences and yet its all about finding stable and well paid employment. We all tend to go into medicine and engineering or computer sciences to apply our knowledge in corporate world and very rarely toward R&D/education/advancement, etc. This goes true for whether our best and the brightest stay at home or leave for abroad. A very small percentage goes outside of the corporate sector or regular 9-5 jobs or just practicing medicine.

Art as well. Desis tend to look down at the arts, but it drives so much in the modern era. I think this is a more modern phenomenon. Some of the great story tellers used to be from the east, now they seem to look down on it.

 

[Local.Dada]

He thinks thats a jibe, lol .. Some look at it as a negative, inbred trait, some may consider it a failure to spread out and expand, but the truth is till you pointed this out, I dont think any of us even noticed this much less took offense to it.
Just shows how tunnel vision affects some people here.

That wasn’t a jibe. The question was why I am proud to be an Indian. I gave that as a response because unless my parents or elders have lied to me, I have been told with some authentication that some of my ancestors have contributed by sacrificing a lot to preserve some of our traditions and culture. You are free to call them as liars, I won’t take offense and consider that a banter.

My intent was not to hurt any religion. It was pretty binary and that’s why it took a troll to nitpick on that. Most people confident or comfortable in themselves and who they are didn’t care:

Mods are free to edit that out if they feel it is offensive.

 

[Stewie]

Feels good when someone assumes that I am automatically good at math and science or with computers just because I am from India lol.

Even the negative sterotype of the meek and scared Indian feels good because we are basically seen as pacifist people and people who keep their head down and stay out of trouble and only positively contribute to the countries they live in.

Also as a religious Hindu it feels good to be able to visit my own motherland for my pilgrimage instead of a foreign country. Hatsoff to the resilience of Indians to preserve the culture of a country that has suffered so many foreign invasions. Look at Iraq/ Egypt or on the extreme side USA, their indigenous culture has pretty much been wiped out. I thank my ancestors for playing a part in help preserving. the culture too.

I will leave some points for my Indian friends here. Don’t want to bogart the thread.

That wasn’t a jibe. The question was why I am proud to be an Indian. I gave that as a response because unless my parents or elders have lied to me, I have been told with some authentication that some of my ancestors have contributed by sacrificing a lot to preserve some of our traditions and culture. You are free to call them as liars, I won’t take offense and consider that a banter.

My intent was not to hurt any religion. It was pretty binary and that’s why it took a troll to nitpick on that. Most people confident or comfortable in themselves and who they are didn’t care:

Mods are free to edit that out if they feel it is offensive.

Dude, personally I dont care, but please lets not insult the intelligence of other people by trying to rationalize your first post with the second post. You cannot reconcile the two and try to make sense of what you are trying to say. Because the two statements are as disparate and disconnected as any.

 

[Local.Dada]

Dude, personally I dont care, but please lets not insult the intelligence of other people by trying to rationalize your first post with the second post. You cannot reconcile the two and try to make sense of what you are trying to say. Because the two statements are as disparate and disconnected as any.

You do realize that between Muslim invaders and 1947 there was a 500 yr history right?

Now let me ask you this, who went after Gurukuls as well as Madrasas to whitewash (no pun intended) and bring in their educational system?

2nd question, you see a subcontinent Hindu, subcontinent Muslim and a white European guy, who would you classify as a foreigner?

3rd: have you heard about lord Macaulay? I suggest you Google search.

Now hint: my family has been associated with Gurukuls and academia for at least 200 years.

I would suggest stop viewing everything as Hindu vs Muslim for a change.

Now personally if whatever interpretation you had in your head touched a nerve. I sincerely apologize.

I am not going to expand on this further.

 

[Stewie]

You do realize that between Muslim invaders and 1947 there was a 500 yr history right?

Now let me ask you this, who went after Gurukuls as well as Madrasas to whitewash (no pun intended) and bring in their educational system?

2nd question, you see a subcontinent Hindu, subcontinent Muslim and a white European guy, who would you classify as a foreigner?

3rd: have you heard about lord Macaulay? I suggest you Google search.

Now hint: my family has been associated with Gurukuls and academia for at least 200 years.

I would suggest stop viewing everything as Hindu vs Muslim for a change.

Now personally if whatever interpretation you had in your head touched a nerve. I sincerely apologize.

I am not going to expand on this further.

Once again, I think you are on a completely different plane. or perhaps I am not understanding your explanation, (both possibilities can exist)

The other posters commented on your first statement and I quote "Also as a religious Hindu it feels good to be able to visit my own motherland for my pilgrimage instead of a foreign country."

Thats what we are talking about. You seem to be going off on a tangent about some 500 yr history and foreigners and I am quite honestly not sure about the point you are trying to make.

So maybe give it another try and rather than being defensive, try to explain it in simple terms (fine.. think of us as idiots and idiot-proof your next post, if that helps) lol.

Ill try to explain how I read it.. your sentence in question seemed to be a potshot at the people of the Abrahamic faiths because they all have to to make pilgrimage to their holy places (Vatican, Jersusalem, Mecca) and they are not necessarily local placed to some Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Whereas, you seem to be proud that as Hindu you do not have to leave your country.
You seem to insinuate thats something to be "proud" of as if having to travel to other lands for other religious denomination is somehow a matter of ... well I dont know... thats the part we need your help understanding what you were trying to say.

I am genuinely curious as to the point you were trying to make and far from being offended to tell you the truth, dont know if that helps change the tone of this conversation.

 

[Stewie]

In addition to my last post, I just googled the word gurukul that you mentioned becuase I was curious aas to what it meant. I had never heard that word before. Seems like it is a school with relligious significance.
[MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION]I am assuming based on that, the point you tried to make was that in spite of all the foreign invasions from Muslims and Europeans, hindus still have that religious school system intact in India, which I can understand is a matter of pride. However, how that compares to pilgrimage and other religious denominations making foreign trips for pilgrimage, is lost on me.

 

[Stewie]

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[Local.Dada]

In addition to my last post, I just googled the word gurukul that you mentioned becuase I was curious aas to what it meant. I had never heard that word before. Seems like it is a school with relligious significance.
[MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION]I am assuming based on that, the point you tried to make was that in spite of all the foreign invasions from Muslims and Europeans, hindus still have that religious school system intact in India, which I can understand is a matter of pride. However, how that compares to pilgrimage and other religious denominations making foreign trips for pilgrimage, is lost on me.

I wasn’t even thinking about Muslims when I made that post.

Buddhism originated in India and we even have the place where he supposedly got his enlightenment but apart from that all the early Buddhist works and spiritual centers etc are in East-asia, Japan, Tibet etc.

Sikhism originated in India but in the current political scenario, they need a visa to go to Lahore.

Parsis are from Iran. Enough said.

I didn’t even think this from a Muslim angle, I didn’t even think that far actually because subconsciously from what I read here most of you take pride in your foreign origins so that doesn’t make you a foreigner when you visit a country of your origin and if you embraced the religion for its spirituality then it shouldn’t bother you which country it is from. Just like if someone calls me out for being an Indian (foreigner) in USA it doesn’t matter because I chose to live here.

That’s all there was to it.

 

[Stewie]

I wasn’t even thinking about Muslims when I made that post.

Buddhism originated in India and we even have the place where he supposedly got his enlightenment but apart from that all the early Buddhist works and spiritual centers etc are in East-asia, Japan, Tibet etc.

Sikhism originated in India but in the current political scenario, they need a visa to go to Lahore.

Parsis are from Iran. Enough said.

I didn’t even think this from a Muslim angle, I didn’t even think that far actually because subconsciously from what I read here most of you take pride in your foreign origins so that doesn’t make you a foreigner when you visit a country of your origin and if you embraced the religion for its spirituality then it shouldn’t bother you which country it is from. Just like if someone calls me out for being an Indian (foreigner) in USA it doesn’t matter because I chose to live here.

That’s all there was to it.

So how is that a matter of "pride" is the question.

To me, no offense intended and I say that with all sincerity, it should be the other way around. It is a matter of pride for us we are part of a faith thats so widespread and has so many differnet ethnicities and nationalities in it and in a way they all have to make a trip to a foreign land for our pilgrimage. Whereas we think of only India and a handful of other countries where Hinduism is limited to.

I guess there is a vast disconnect between perspectives of various nationalities and especially between Hinduism and Abrahamic faiths. Totally different schools of thought and views and this particular exchange is a very good example of it. And I say that without trying to knock anybody down, it doesnt make one inferior to the other. You guys have your own way of looking at it, seem to be proud you belong to the birthplace of Hinduism, etc, etc whereas we like to think of ourselves as part of a much broader and larger community world wide.

Good talk! I, for one, appreciate you willing to share your views candidly. As Pakistanis, we are not exposed to Hindu POV as much, even me who has a lot of Indian friends in the US but we somehow tend to not discuss such stuff due to sensitivity issues.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

India is the birthplace of four religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism, and has also assimilated two major faiths that were imported to its shores, Islam and Christianity.

Growth rate of some minor religions has been consistently higher than the growth rate of Hindus. This indicates freedom of conscience and the right to profess, practice and propagate religion.

 

[hamid.s]

The historic region of India (including most other south asian nations) has been settled for thousands of years and has been at the cross roads of many civilizations. So there will be many reasons to be proud of and as a hotbed of many civilizations, it formed and developed many ideas/religions.

But at the same time, I think of India as a region of unfulfilled potential. One of the most fertile region in the world, situated as the gateway between Far East and Central Asia leading to Europe, huge population, and considerable natural resources, the region overall had all the right ingredients to succeed. If not a global powerhouse, at least developed enough for its own citizens. But it failed in that premise.

This is not a dig at India but an opinion on subcontinent as a whole.

 

[JaDed]

The historic region of India (including most other south asian nations) has been settled for thousands of years and has been at the cross roads of many civilizations. So there will be many reasons to be proud of and as a hotbed of many civilizations, it formed and developed many ideas/religions.

But at the same time, I think of India as a region of unfulfilled potential. One of the most fertile region in the world, situated as the gateway between Far East and Central Asia leading to Europe, huge population, and considerable natural resources, the region overall had all the right ingredients to succeed. If not a global powerhouse, at least developed enough for its own citizens. But it failed in that premise.

This is not a dig at India but an opinion on subcontinent as a whole.

I think the fertile aspect of the argument SC milked it’s potential for centuries almost till 1800s.(you can compare the economies).

But fulfilling potential also depends on innovation, Industrial revolution a bus India and China ,Turkey missed and hence suffered for centuries.

Why do you think China is making sure it doesn’t miss any other innovative lifecycle(digital,space etc), due to this reason.

Independent innovative thought process will take some time, it’s developing and hopefully will keep happening as a process.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You created a thread about what we are proud of. And now you are going around and questioning/arguing about its corrrectness based on superficial/half knowledge. Explains the intent of the thread.

Its called a discussion. When somone replies, its normal to ask further questions otherwise there is no point of discussing anyones views.

 

[KingKhanWC]

On a different note - there is nothing to be proud of being aan Indian. Or Pakistani. Or Chinese. Or Punjabi. Or Rajput. Or Pashtun. Or Gurjar

None of us chose these identities. Its all due to accident of birth

Fair point.

Do you only see yourself as having an Indian passport but dont identify as an 'Indian'?

 

[hamid.s]

I think the fertile aspect of the argument SC milked it’s potential for centuries almost till 1800s.(you can compare the economies).

But fulfilling potential also depends on innovation, Industrial revolution a bus India and China ,Turkey missed and hence suffered for centuries.

Why do you think China is making sure it doesn’t miss any other innovative lifecycle(digital,space etc), due to this reason.

Independent innovative thought process will take some time, it’s developing and hopefully will keep happening as a process.

Fair point!

But during that time period when agriculture superiority mattered, the region didn't develop as much as it should have. India will always be a historic and influential region, its past civilizations will be in history books, but it will always feel like if more could have been done.

 

[Gilly]

On a different note - there is nothing to be proud of being aan Indian. Or Pakistani. Or Chinese. Or Punjabi. Or Rajput. Or Pashtun. Or Gurjar

None of us chose these identities. Its all due to accident of birth

What you can be is a proud Indian, Pakistani, Chinese or whoever by your actions. Do the right thing whenever you can, be good to everyone, help where you can and promote peace and harmony wherever you are and then you can be a proud *insert race, religion, whatever.".

 

[IndoorCricket]

This is how I used to see India, but it doesn't seem to be a reflection of India today. Also doesn't help that I grew up with mostly Punjabi Indians who tend to be a bit more loud and less tolerant. South Indians seem to be a lot more chill and easy going.

I read a comment from an Indian poster (Itachi I think) saying Brits had lost their culture, so I am wondering, does anyone feel you could say the same thing about India? Every nation moves on in time, and with the world a global village, surely there is going to be some overlap.

South India still preserved its culture better than north. The strong point about this culture is its assimilation but not total replacement. Yes there will be overlap cuz of globalisation but one must not get confused modernisation with westernisation.

 

[NishanKonar]

Fair point.

Do you only see yourself as having an Indian passport but dont identify as an 'Indian'?

I consider myself as Indian bcoz of my citizenship and ethnicity / culture. Anybody with Indian passport or with roos in India can identify as Indian. If tomorrow an American asks me about my race / culture - I will say Indian

Just like I am Bengali bcoz I was raised in Bengal and can speak Bengali fluently. My family roots are from Punjab but I have little connections with Punjab as of now - so I dont think of myself as Punjabi although my first name is common Punjabi name

Anyways my point was - there is nothing to proud of any identity which we did not choose ourselves

 

[NishanKonar]

What you can be is a proud Indian, Pakistani, Chinese or whoever by your actions. Do the right thing whenever you can, be good to everyone, help where you can and promote peace and harmony wherever you are and then you can be a proud *insert race, religion, whatever.".

Fair point

Problem with nationalism in Indian subcontinent is its premised on hate and bigotry. Most " proud Indians " take pride in abusing Pakistan / Muslims. Same with many "proud Pakistanis " who take pride in ranting against India / Hindus. Same applies for Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Myanmar and Sri Lanka

ps : A Pakistani friend once said ultimately subcontinental nations have very little to be proud of - so much poverty , hunger, destitution , illiteracy. So only way to be feel proud of themselves is to mock others and get some joy

 

[Mamoon]

Would have been incredibly proud if I were Indian. The greatest country in South Asia by a country mile (pun intended) and home to one of the most famous and richest cultures in the world.

 

[Rajdeep]

I am very proud of present India since 2014. It is exactly the India I have always dreamt off when majority will be given back its rights and Indians will be more aware of its history. I felt that sense of pride being an Indian in Wembley 2015 when a british PM laid red carpet for his Indian counterpart.

We were a laughing stock before 2014 though but since then sab changa si

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am very proud of present India since 2014. It is exactly the India I have always dreamt off when majority will be given back its rights and Indians will be more aware of its history. I felt that sense of pride being an Indian in Wembley 2015 when a british PM laid red carpet for his Indian counterpart.

We were a laughing stock before 2014 though but since then sab changa si

At which point will your pride get to a level, where you would return to India?

The concept of feeling nationalistic pride from a distance is one that I believe is unique to the SC.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

As a rival, I would say there are certain indian traits one has to admire. They always had democracy, doesnt matter how flawed it is or not, they always have followed a progressive democratic agenda (until Modi came along, I would be remiss to not caveat that)
Their devotion to education and science would be another admirable trait.
Last but not least, their flexibility to change with times and adapt to the modern agenda. Some on our side would call it kowtowing to the west but I feel thats just adaptability.

This is my sentiment as a non-indian too.

They have a lot to be proud of, particularly the rate of improvement in scientific/technical education in the last 20-25 years.

 

[Local.Dada]

At which point will your pride get to a level, where you would return to India?

The concept of feeling nationalistic pride from a distance is one that I believe is unique to the SC.

That’s a very myopic way of looking at things. Most expats be it from India and Pakistan have a life in the west. Kids, bills, responsibilities etc etc etc. it’s not that easy to make a move.

Having said that a lot of Indians are moving back to india post retirement once they have minimum responsibilities because of cheaper but quality medical facilities in India especially if you are somewhat rich. Not a blanket statement. I have multiple examples in my family or people around me.

Punjab gets a lot of funds from Punjabis in Canada,UK, similarly Kerala has a huge expat population in the Middle East, Andhra,Telangana people in USA etc etc. all these communities do contribute a lot back to their villages etc.

I am sure a lot of British and American Pakistanis do the same. Isn’t that why remittances metric is such a big deal in the Pakistan economy?

Where I do agree with is the hypocrisy of some who live in the west and abide by their rules and have no problem. but want a different set of rules in their own country. That bothers me.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That’s a very myopic way of looking at things. Most expats be it from India and Pakistan have a life in the west. Kids, bills, responsibilities etc etc etc. it’s not that easy to make a move.

Having said that a lot of Indians are moving back to india post retirement once they have minimum responsibilities because of cheaper but quality medical facilities in India especially if you are somewhat rich. Not a blanket statement. I have multiple examples in my family or people around me.

Punjab gets a lot of funds from Punjabis in Canada,UK, similarly Kerala has a huge expat population in the Middle East, Andhra,Telangana people in USA etc etc. all these communities do contribute a lot back to their villages etc.

I am sure a lot of British and American Pakistanis do the same. Isn’t that why remittances metric is such a big deal in the Pakistan economy?

Where I do agree with is the hypocrisy of some who live in the west and abide by their rules and have no problem. but want a different set of rules in their own country. That bothers me.

it doesn't matter if they have kids. They made a conscious decision to abandon their country and throw its passport into the dustbin. The pride is hollow, they have had no part to play in their countries achievements, aren;t around for its failings but want to jump on the bandwagon of its successes.

Rajdeep for instance is proud of the India that we have now which he claims is the India of his dreams. Unfortunately, his dreams and pride don't extend to actually living there!

Yes this phenomena is found in Pakistanis too and is equally hypocritical but the slight difference is that Pakistanis haven't thrown their passport into the dustbin, they are able to hang on through a legal technicality.

The concept of Indians returning home to retire isn't unique to India either, and it isn't because of pride. It's because of being able to have a superior style of living with multiple servants etc as a result of making money in other countries.

 

[Local.Dada]

it doesn't matter if they have kids. They made a conscious decision to abandon their country and throw its passport into the dustbin. The pride is hollow, they have had no part to play in their countries achievements, aren;t around for its failings but want to jump on the bandwagon of its successes.
.

Glass half empty half full. Indians are surrendering passports when they take foreign citizenship because it is also the Indian government that doesn’t allow dual citizenship.

However that legal technicality you call is OcI card. It pretty much gives the same benefits as an Indian citizenship minus a couple of things which are exclusive to Indian citizens.

Maybe Pakistan needs that technicality more because clearly the Pakistan government seems to
Focus on Overseas citizens a lot more and has to gloat about remittances.

In india if some doctor or engineer takes up a foregin citizenship, it’s just a matter of producing another one in his/her place.

Whatever makes you feel better lol.

You might also see clearly which country has a more powerful lobby in the west or for the matter of fact even in China. So all those throwing away Indian passports in dustbin hyperbole might pacify a few but it doesn’t have any real world impact. If any it has only been positive for india. You need to pick up a better topic to be more provocative, I am sure you will find a lot more but this is dumb.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Glass half empty half full. Indians are surrendering passports when they take foreign citizenship because it is also the Indian government that doesn’t allow dual citizenship.

However that legal technicality you call is OcI card. It pretty much gives the same benefits as an Indian citizenship minus a couple of things which are exclusive to Indian citizens.

Maybe Pakistan needs that technicality more because clearly the Pakistan government seems to
Focus on Overseas citizens a lot more and has to gloat about remittances.

In india if some doctor or engineer takes up a foregin citizenship, it’s just a matter of producing another one in his/her place.

Whatever makes you feel better lol.

You might also see clearly which country has a more powerful lobby in the west or for the matter of fact even in China. So all those throwing away Indian passports in dustbin hyperbole might pacify a few but it doesn’t have any real world impact. If any it has only been positive for india. You need to pick up a better topic to be more provocative, I am sure you will find a lot more but this is dumb.

You are going off topic - Im not sure why you are taking this as a pop at India and you are going way off tangent with imaginary theories.

My point is a general one - How can you be proud of something but not want to set foot in the place apart from a holiday?

You can console yourself with your copy pastes about doctors, lobbies, remittances. It is irrelevant and unrelated to the topic.

The reality is if someone was truly proud of their country and saying its what they dreamed of they would live in it. It doesn't matter if that person is Indian, Pakistani, Chinese or South African. It's a hollow argument if they feel their pride living in a more comfortable country 100s of miles away.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just wondering, if Indians were so proud, why would they not object to being referred to as the subcontinent?

What does that even mean?

 

[Itachi]

Just wondering, if Indians were so proud, why would they not object to being referred to as the subcontinent?

What does that even mean?

Why anyone would object being referred to as subcontinent?

If you don't know what that even means, why you have a notion that Indians SHOULD object?

 

[Itachi]

it doesn't matter if they have kids. They made a conscious decision to abandon their country and throw its passport into the dustbin. The pride is hollow, they have had no part to play in their countries achievements, aren;t around for its failings but want to jump on the bandwagon of its successes.

Rajdeep for instance is proud of the India that we have now which he claims is the India of his dreams. Unfortunately, his dreams and pride don't extend to actually living there!

Yes this phenomena is found in Pakistanis too and is equally hypocritical but the slight difference is that Pakistanis haven't thrown their passport into the dustbin, they are able to hang on through a legal technicality.

The concept of Indians returning home to retire isn't unique to India either, and it isn't because of pride. It's because of being able to have a superior style of living with multiple servants etc as a result of making money in other countries.

I can feel proud about the achievement of my ex even though she is not in my life anymore and have no other ties except spending time in past.

Its what one feels. And this feeling is a sub conscious trait rather than bounded by legal documents.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why anyone would object being referred to as subcontinent?

If you don't know what that even means, why you have a notion that Indians SHOULD object?

In England sub is vernacular for substitute. If you have a different interpretation then please provide.

 

[Rajdeep]

In England sub is vernacular for substitute. If you have a different interpretation then please provide.

Subcontinent means a large landmass that is smaller than a continent. Why would Indians object to it? LOL.

Also, it is called Indian subcontinent...not just subcontinent. So we are very proud.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Subcontinent means a large landmass that is smaller than a continent. Why would Indians object to it? LOL.

Also, it is called Indian subcontinent...not just subcontinent. So we are very proud.

So you are proud of being called a subcontinent as according to We British who are actually a tiny island in the northern hemisphere?

 

[Itachi]

So you are proud of being called a subcontinent as according to We British who are actually a tiny island in the northern hemisphere?

The subject of the thread is:

Proud to be Indian?

The answer is we are proud to be indian.

Whether it is called sub continet or not, it is irrelevant with respect to the thread since the entity it is refering to is "India".

If you want to ask specifically if Indians are proud to be called "subcontinet", then its out of scope of the subject of this thread and is off-topic.

 

[Rajdeep]

So you are proud of being called a subcontinent as according to We British who are actually a tiny island in the northern hemisphere?

We are proud being an Indian but no issue with the term 'Indian Subcontinent'. Also, subcontinent does not only refer to India...its an union of countries Pak, Ind, Bd, SL, Nep, Bhu etc. The landmass is big enough to call it a subcontinent. What is the issue...I am not following? Does Pakistani's have any issue with the word Subcontinent?

Also, Indians or generally people from sub continent in 2022 dont give two hoots about what Britishers think. I know where you coming from, I live in Great Britain too and we still have bit of a colonial hangover. But speak to any Indians in India and they will laugh at you and me.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The subject of the thread is:

The answer is we are proud to be indian.

Whether it is called sub continet or not, it is irrelevant with respect to the thread since the entity it is refering to is "India".

If you want to ask specifically if Indians are proud to be called "subcontinet", then its out of scope of the subject of this thread and is off-topic.

Subcontinent has been used regularly on this forum for as long as I can remember, If you really object to India as being referred to it as such, then raise a new thread regarding this term. or if you like I can do so on your behalf. Please advise.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I can feel proud about the achievement of my ex even though she is not in my life anymore and have no other ties except spending time in past.

Its what one feels. And this feeling is a sub conscious trait rather than bounded by legal documents.

You can do what you like but these are beta-male characteristics.

 

[Itachi]

You can do what you like but these are beta-male characteristics.

Beta male? The point was, proud is an entity that depends upon the individual. You can proud about some "X" elements while I might not. Since it is subjective in nature, you can not force someone to feel not being proud or being proud. It comes naturally.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We are proud being an Indian but no issue with the term 'Indian Subcontinent'. Also, subcontinent does not only refer to India...its an union of countries Pak, Ind, Bd, SL, Nep, Bhu etc. The landmass is big enough to call it a subcontinent. What is the issue...I am not following? Does Pakistani's have any issue with the word Subcontinent?

Also, Indians or generally people from sub continent in 2022 dont give two hoots about what Britishers think. I know where you coming from, I live in Great Britain too and we still have bit of a colonial hangover. But speak to any Indians in India and they will laugh at you and me.

They'll laugh at you mate, not me. Anyway, beyond personal jousts between forum members, what is there to be proud of as Indians?

Some suggestions:

Yoga
Vegetarian diet
Spicy food

 

[topspin]

They'll laugh at you mate, not me. Anyway, beyond personal jousts between forum members, what is there to be proud of as Indians?

Some suggestions:

Yoga
Vegetarian diet
Spicy food

Kamasutra?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes thanks for that, proved interesting, and also of course herbal medicines. I think they are vastly underrarted.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Would have been incredibly proud if I were Indian. The greatest country in South Asia by a country mile (pun intended) and home to one of the most famous and richest cultures in the world.

So speak up man. None of your subcontinetal bros are willing. What is it you would be proud of?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So speak up man. None of your subcontinetal bros are willing. What is it you would be proud of?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Bump , please list in detail all you are proud of in India?

Very strange Indians arent really proud of much. They seem to be struggling to list much in detail.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] I assume you are proud of Modi as India's greatest ever prime minister in your eyes?

 

[NishanKonar]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Bump , please list in detail all you are proud of in India?

Very strange Indians arent really proud of much. They seem to be struggling to list much in detail.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] I assume you are proud of Modi as India's greatest ever prime minister in your eyes?

What is there to be proud of a country with 25% people under poverty, 30% under child malnutrition and child infant mortality of 30 per 1000 births

South Asia is the most backward and under developed region of the world after sub-saharan africa

We have long way to go

 

[KingKhanWC]

What is there to be proud of a country with 25% people under poverty, 30% under child malnutrition and child infant mortality of 30 per 1000 births

South Asia is the most backward and under developed region of the world after sub-saharan africa

We have long way to go

Its good to see someone honest from India. Indians often state they have a few billionaires, large economy nearly the size of the UK. They need to wake up, with 1.3billion, huge natural resources, huge land it should be in the top 3 richest nations on Earth, as it was when Muslims ruled majority of the land.

Indians should be proud of the Islamic history, making it a superpower at the time.

 

[anikrc1]

Indian physicist wins prestigious medal

Prof. Deepak Dhar of IISER Pune has been awarded the prestigious Boltzmann Medal for 2022. He will share this honour with John Hopfield of Princeton University.

As per Wikipedia, "All the winners are influential physicists or mathematicians whose contribution to statistical physics have been relevant in the past decades."

Just look at the list here (it includes many famous scientists who went on to win the Nobel Prize in Physics or Abel Prize in Mathematics):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_Medal

A really proud moment for Indian Academics.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I am very proud of present India since 2014. It is exactly the India I have always dreamt off when majority will be given back its rights and Indians will be more aware of its history. I felt that sense of pride being an Indian in Wembley 2015 when a british PM laid red carpet for his Indian counterpart.

We were a laughing stock before 2014 though but since then sab changa si

Lol if 'sab changa si' then why don't you return to India and start living here?

 

[pillionrider]

Its good to see someone honest from India. Indians often state they have a few billionaires, large economy nearly the size of the UK. They need to wake up, with 1.3billion, huge natural resources, huge land it should be in the top 3 richest nations on Earth, as it was when Muslims ruled majority of the land.

Indians should be proud of the Islamic history, making it a superpower at the time.

You might as well have named this thread:
Proud to be Indian when Muslims ruled the land?

There's probably a reason why some Indians have avoided this thread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You might as well have named this thread:
Proud to be Indian when Muslims ruled the land?

There's probably a reason why some Indians have avoided this thread.

I would have prefered if there were more reasons given by Indians today.

Past glory will always be in the history books. India richest nation on Earth at one point, surely all Indians should be proud of this past acheivement?

 

[anikrc1]

I would have prefered if there were more reasons given by Indians today.

Past glory will always be in the history books. India richest nation on Earth at one point, surely all Indians should be proud of this past acheivement?

Actually India was always one of the two richest nations before the British rule, whether under hindu empire, Buddhist empire or islamic empire.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Actually India was always one of the two richest nations before the British rule, whether under hindu empire, Buddhist empire or islamic empire.

I thin you're wrong but it doesnt matter. My point was It was THE richest on the planet under Muslim rule. Never before and certainly not now, likely never again.

As an Indian, be proud of the Mughals, sing their songs, break their dance moves and eat the food they introduced.

Btw how long before this Hindutva government transfroms India from a 3rd world nation into the richest nation?