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Punjab Governer Salman Taseer Killed

Isnt that Islams destiny though (not to divert the topic) the faithful will always be faithful because there faith is in God and Islam so regardless of what happens in the dunya there faith is unshakable.

In the end its always going to come down to Muslim v the others its the way were headed and the way the end time occur isnt it. Our enemies will always hate us why try to stop the inevitable.


Back to topic,

I am in no way saying the guy deserved to die, From what I have learnt about his sinner lifestyle I hate his guts but he will answer to God for that.

However he supported drone attacks meaning he supported people being killed without due process, without trial, without proving guilt. Just boom Gone..


Well guess what Mr Taseer....


Its not nice that he died, but many have died.

He was a corrupt, secular sinner who is going to meet his maker and answer for his life

Yeah but he made life for the remaining of us more tough, ppl in the west believes that this moderate/liberal should be given noble peace prize for standing against barbaric/fundamentalist muslims, but they don't know apart from this thing how much sinister he was.
 
Salam Taseer teri azmat ko salam. Teri bahadri ko salam. You will live forever in my heart. You will always be my hero. I salute you for the sacrifice you made for this country. You will always be remembered as a champion of the oppressed and the minorties. I salute you for standing up to the tyranny of religious extremism. You were the only person in the entire political set up to take a stand against this extreme and barbaric men made law with the exception of Sherry Rehman. Even your cowardly so called secular party did not support you. You paid the ultimate price with your life. May Allah grant your soul peace.

I am extremely sad and shocked on what happened today. But after reading some of the posts here and other comments on Facebook etc., celebrating, justifying and making fun of the death of a person, I feel disgusted to be a Pakistani today. Shame on you guys. Even if an enemy dies, our religion or any moral or ethical standards does not allow this type of behaviour. Its really pathetic. What has become of us, what sort of people are we and what does it say about our society in general. The more I think about it the more nauseous I become and more pessimistic about any good thing happening in Pakistan in the near future. Quoting the immortal words of Musharraf "Is mulk ka Allah hi hafaz hai"

Rest in peace Salman Taseer.
 
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Salam Taseer teri azmat ko salam. Teri bahadri ko salam. You will live forever in my heart. You will always be my hero. I salute you for the sacrifice you made for this country. You will always be remembered as a champion of the oppressed and the minorties. I salute you for standing up to the tyranny of religious extremism. You were the only person in the entire political set up to take a stand against this extreme and barbaric men made law with the exception of Sherry Rehman. Even your cowardly so called secular party did not support you. You paid the ultimate price with your life. May Allah grant your soul peace.

I am extremely sad and shocked on what happened today. But after reading some of the posts here and other comments on Facebook etc., celebrating, justifying and making fun of the death of a person, I feel disgusted to be a Pakistani today. Shame on you guys. Even if an enemy dies, our religion or any moral or ethical standards does not allow this type of behaviour. Its really pathetic. What has become of us, what sort of people are we and what does it say about our society in general. The more I think about it the more nauseous I become and more pessimistic about any good thing happening in Pakistan in the near future. Quoting the immortal words of Musharraf "Is mulk ka Allah hi hafaz hai"

Rest in peace Salman Taseer.

Saadibaaba,

Very very well said mate :14:

I completely agree with you and share the exact same feelings. I salute the bravery of Salman Taseer.
 
Salam Taseer teri azmat ko salam. Teri bahadri ko salam. You will live forever in my heart. You will always be my hero. I salute you for the sacrifice you made for this country. You will always be remembered as a champion of the oppressed and the minorties. I salute you for standing up to the tyranny of religious extremism. You were the only person in the entire political set up to take a stand against this extreme and barbaric men made law with the exception of Sherry Rehman. Even your cowardly so called secular party did not support you. You paid the ultimate price with your life. May Allah grant your soul peace.

I am extremely sad and shocked on what happened today. But after reading some of the posts here and other comments on Facebook etc., celebrating, justifying and making fun of the death of a person, I feel disgusted to be a Pakistani today. Shame on you guys. Even if an enemy dies, our religion or any moral or ethical standards does not allow this type of behaviour. Its really pathetic. What has become of us, what sort of people are we and what does it say about our society in general. The more I think about it the more nauseous I become and more pessimistic about any good thing happening in Pakistan in the near future. Quoting the immortal words of Musharraf "Is mulk ka Allah hi hafaz hai"

Rest in peace Salman Taseer.

I can understand your sentiment..........But have you ever shown the same to those who die through drone attack, killed barbarically by army and police on daily basis (without any logically reasoning and no chance given to prove their innocence) ......and so on
 
If he is killed because of his stance on blasphemy law, then it is very certain that Pakistan is heading towards a very dangerous path as extreme voices start to prevail.

Mullah fascism is not Islam and neither is extreme liberalism. Both are wrong.


The guard, Mumtaz Qadri of the Punjab Elite Force, yelled out ‘Allah-o-Akbar’ and emptied two magazines of an SMG on the governor in the Kohsar Market before surrendering himself.

This is not Islamic Jazba - it is insanity in the name of Islam.

Life for a life in Islam - no mercy for the killer.

P.S. before there are any idiotic comments made towards me - I do not support drone attacks and neither I am a liberal. I am a devout muslim.
 
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I can understand your sentiment..........But have you ever shown the same to those who die through drone attack, killed barbarically by army and police on daily basis (without any logically reasoning and no chance given to prove their innocence) ......and so on

This is typical Jamati line of questioning. Any time one condemns the barbarism and brutality of the religious extremists, people like you ask the same question. "What about the drone attacks". Loss of any innocent life is barbaric. Innocent people are dying everyday, but does that make the killing of Salman Taseer a lesser evil. Does that mean one should not mourn the death of any one person because in order to do that one has to first mourn all the other innocent deaths first. This logic of yours is quite strange to me.
 
When a society starts celebrating and praising a killer then you know where the society is headed. It is sad that people who love the prophet dont even know the most important part of his personality... which was tolerance. It was his tolerance and humanity that changed the hearts of million and that is what led millions towards Islam. And now certain pakistanis with their extremist view points cant even tolerate someone who has a liberal or moderate view point.
 
When a society starts celebrating and praising a killer then you know where the society is headed. It is sad that people who love the prophet dont even know the most important part of his personality... which was tolerance. It was his tolerance and humanity that changed the hearts of million and that is what led millions towards Islam. And now certain pakistanis with their extremist view points cant even tolerate someone who has a liberal or moderate view point.

Absolutely true Zechariah. Our soceity is decaying so fast its hard to tell if we will even have a society worth living in. The level of intolerance exhibited by our fellow countrymen makes one ashamed to be a Pakistani.
 
Salam Taseer teri azmat ko salam. Teri bahadri ko salam. You will live forever in my heart. You will always be my hero. I salute you for the sacrifice you made for this country. You will always be remembered as a champion of the oppressed and the minorties. I salute you for standing up to the tyranny of religious extremism. You were the only person in the entire political set up to take a stand against this extreme and barbaric men made law with the exception of Sherry Rehman. Even your cowardly so called secular party did not support you. You paid the ultimate price with your life. May Allah grant your soul peace.

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Not sure what planet do u live on but I am sad at his demise.

May Allah forgive his sins. Ameen
 
Its sad that he was killed for this reason.

Otherwise, I dont really care for people like him
 
I must confess my ignorance on Blasphemy issue, but this is the gist of what I have read on the whole episode. Correct me if I am wrong

Taseer had been working to prevent the death sentence for blasphemy to a Christian Pakistani citizen Aasia Bibi. She had been refused access to water because she was Christian. She had resisted conversion to Islam, for which she was dragged on the street, gang-raped and then the Pakistani courts gave her the death sentence for insulting Islam. All that Taseer had tried to do was to prevent her from being killed. He was not trying to bring to justice those who had gang-raped her. Just to prevent her for being put to death.
 
Could you please translate those points? Thanks.

some five hundred scholars have issued a joint statement that no one should pray the "Janaza" of deceased Salman Taseer and neither should anyone be sad/mourn his death as he was a Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw), and folks who support Salman Taseer may also fall in the category of Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw).....

I apologize if I made any mistake.
 
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some five hundred scholars have issued a joint statement that no one should pray the "Janaza" of deceased Salman Taseer and neither should anyone be sad/mourn his death as he was a Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw), and folks who support Salman Taseer may also fall in the category of Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw).....

I apologize if I made any mistake.

That's disturbing.

The extreme ones are out in full force it seems after this death.
 
some five hundred scholars have issued a joint statement that no one should pray the "Janaza" of deceased Salman Taseer and neither should anyone be sad/mourn his death as he was a Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw), and folks who support Salman Taseer may also fall in the category of Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw).....

I apologize if I made any mistake.

I have been hearing this a lot but what gustakhi did he do ?
 
That's disturbing.

The extreme ones are out in full force it seems after this death.

Well they are not the extreme ones, they are the Ahle-Sunnat (the green turbans, I hope I am not mixing them up) ones, they are the most moderate ones when compared to others, but for them the Ghustaqi-e-rasool issue is the most serious issue in Islam, so no wonder they came up with this decree.
 
some five hundred scholars have issued a joint statement that no one should pray the "Janaza" of deceased Salman Taseer and neither should anyone be sad/mourn his death as he was a Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw), and folks who support Salman Taseer may also fall in the category of Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw).....

I apologize if I made any mistake.

What gustakhi did he commit. He was simply trying to get Asiya bibi freed because he thought her conviction was wrong. The jail mullahs could not bear even a single voice of dissent.

Shame on them that even his death is not enough to satisfy them and they had to pass this ridiculous joint statement.
 
This is typical Jamati line of questioning. Any time one condemns the barbarism and brutality of the religious extremists, people like you ask the same question. "What about the drone attacks". Loss of any innocent life is barbaric. Innocent people are dying everyday, but does that make the killing of Salman Taseer a lesser evil. Does that mean one should not mourn the death of any one person because in order to do that one has to first mourn all the other innocent deaths first. This logic of yours is quite strange to me.

There is a logical law of nature.......each action has an equal (or sometimes bigger) and opposite reaction...
 
I must confess my ignorance on Blasphemy issue, but this is the gist of what I have read on the whole episode. Correct me if I am wrong

Taseer had been working to prevent the death sentence for blasphemy to a Christian Pakistani citizen Aasia Bibi. She had been refused access to water because she was Christian. She had resisted conversion to Islam, for which she was dragged on the street, gang-raped and then the Pakistani courts gave her the death sentence for insulting Islam. All that Taseer had tried to do was to prevent her from being killed. He was not trying to bring to justice those who had gang-raped her. Just to prevent her for being put to death.

I wasn't aware of gang-rape. Why was he not trying to bring justice to those who did that to her?

and actually there is wide-spread support for all of this humiliation she has gone through?
 
saddibaba....in my personal opinion his stand on blasphemy is not the only cause of this murder....this is what has been painted by media and even the those involved in his murder....its more than that... and yes i do condemn act of any barbarism and in this case it was also an act of barbarism with no justification and all those involved should be punished accordingly......and yes I did not like his attitude at certain points.....but I would never imagine to have some one go this far.....and it is not justifiable (just like so many other things in Pakistan are not justifiable)......
 
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What is wrong with what he said ? How is any of it tauheen-e-risalat ?
 
I have a feeling lot of people not posting what they really thought of Salman Taseer ....
 
Could you please translate those points? Thanks.

Translation of that article: http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=3126&Cat=13&dt=1/5/2011

KARACHI: Leading Ulema of Jamaat Ahle Sunnat Pakistan (JASP) in a joint statement have asked Muslims not to offer Namaz-e-Janaza nor try to lead funeral prayers of Governor Punjab Salman Taseer.

In a joint statement issued here they have also asked not to express regrets or sympathies over his assassination. Those issuing the statement include the JASP Central Ameer Prof Syed Mazhar Saeed Shah Kazmi, Allama Syed Riaz Hussain Shah, Shah Turab-ul-Haq Qadri, Allama Zamir Sajid, Pir Khalid Sultan, Pir Ghulam Siddiq Naqshbandi, Allama Syed Khizr Hussain Shah, Alhaj Amjad Chishti, Allama Ghulam Sarawar Hazarvi, Allama Syed Shamsuddin Bokhari, Pir Syed Ashiq Ali Shah Jilani, Mufti Muhammad Iqbal Chishti, Allama Fazal Jamil Rizvi, Agha Muhammad Ibrahim Naqshbandi Mujaddidi, Maulana Muhammad Riaz Qadri, Maulana Gulzar Naeemi, Allama Syed Ghulam Yaseen Shah, and over 500 other ulema and honorable muftis attached to the JASP.

Those favouring the person indulged in blasphemy are themselves blasphemous, they announced. Paying glowing tributes to Malik Mumtaz Hussain, and his courage, who killed Governor Salman Taseer, they said he is lover of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and is a ‘Ghazi’. Mumtaz had revived the 14-century-old tradition of Islam and put their head high in pride. It was only Prophet (PBUH) who could forgive any act of blasphemy but none other could ever do it.

They asked the rulers to save their faith by announcing that they would desist from attempting to amend the law of blasphemy. Asim Hussain adds from Lahore: Leaders of majority of religious parties desisted from expressing their views on the murder of Salman Taseer, while others gave a guarded response, saying the slain Punjab governor had been inviting such kind of reaction for quite some time.

He had continuously been violating the constitution of Pakistan by supporting an amendment to the blasphemy laws and interfering in the judicial process of the blasphemy convict Aasia Bibi, though he knew well that Muslims were very touchy on the matter, they said while talking to The News.

Some religious leaders like Jamiat Ahle Hadith President Prof Sajid Mir and Jamaat-e-Islami leader Dr Farid Piracha, however, condemned the murder saying Islam forbids people to punish even the criminals by taking the law into their hands.

Jamiat Ulema Pakistan (JUP) President Abdul Khair Mohammad Zubair said Islam strictly forbids taking the life of anyone without judicial or state order, but added that Salman Taseer had shown utter disregard for the religious sentiments of the entire nation.

The mobile phone of Sahabzada Fazal Karim, chairman Sunni Ittehad Council, remained switched off throughout Tuesday evening. A spokesman for Jamaat-e-Islami Ameer Syed Munawwar Hasan said he was not feeling well and could not be available on phone. The spokesman also expressed his helplessness to obtain any formal statement on the issue saying that any statement on the matter would be issued on the next day after consultations. Other main leaders of the Sunni Ittehad Council - Haji Hanif Tayyeb, Dr Ashraf Asif Jalali, Sarwat Ijaz Qadri - were also not available.

Tahaffuz-e-Namoos-e-Risalat Mahaz (TNRM) leaders held an emergency meeting after receiving the reports of murder of Salman Taseer. The meeting, chaired by Razaul Mustafa Naqshbandi, continued for two hours. Later, in a statement the TNRM said Taseer had been violating the laws of the land by supporting a blasphemy convict, Aasia Bibi, from day one. His irresponsible acts from the high office of the Governor of Punjab were inappropriate and offending 170 million Muslims of the country.

Meanwhile, Sunni Tehrik Lahore President Mujahid Abdul Rasool said Muslims should not attend the funeral prayers of Salman Taseer since he had wilfully committed blasphemy and shown disrespect towards protecting the honour of the Holy Prophet (PBUH).
 
Terrible news, can't even imagine the state of his family.

Sometimes it just feels like Pakistan was safer in the hands of the military. Then I remember Bhutto's assassination.

Atleast when the army is in power, religion is out of power. Playing politics with religion is the problem.
 
saddibaba....in my personal opinion his stand on blasphemy is not the only cause of this murder....this is what has been painted by media and even the those involved in his murder....its more than that... and yes i do condemn act of any barbarism and in this case it was also an act of barbarism with no justification and all those involved should be punished accordingly......and yes I did not like his attitude at certain points.....but I would never imagine to have some one go this far.....and it is not justifiable (just like so many other things in Pakistan are not justifiable)......

So what is the cause of his murder in your personal opinion. Please explain in detail and with some proof. Please not let this become another conspiracy theory. We have had enough of these theories. Let's not push this under the carpet too and take the blame off the extremists and the people and parties who support this kind of barbarism.
 
Ohhh god.

When are we going to learn that religion is just a belief and should be kept personal.

Whether Islam , Christian or Hinduism or anything else, its only belief and no one can prove that they are right and others are wrong.


So how can you kill someone who doesn't believe in your belief ?

I am disappointed with ppl who feel the governor was responsible for his own killing. Sad to hear this sentiment from ppl here. He was against something which is not right.

Won't you oppose if a similar law is there in a country with muslim minority ?

The killer should be punished really hard as its not only a murder also a breach of trust as he was supposed to protect the Governor.
 
Why are negative sentiments surprising people? A lot of people hated this guy, and I feel the blasphemy blame game is just an excuse.
Things in Pakistan are getting worse by the day. It's easy to criticize people while sitting in foreign lands but call your relatives in Pak and ask how life is. No electricity....no gas...in lahore. People using wood to cook. people arent showering since no hot water. The PPP, and this governor did absolutely nothing for the country. More people hated him for his poor leadership and management than for his blasphemy stance.
 
Why are negative sentiments surprising people? A lot of people hated this guy, and I feel the blasphemy blame game is just an excuse.
Things in Pakistan are getting worse by the day. It's easy to criticize people while sitting in foreign lands but call your relatives in Pak and ask how life is. No electricity....no gas...in lahore. People using wood to cook. people arent showering since no hot water. The PPP, and this governor did absolutely nothing for the country. More people hated him for his poor leadership and management than for his blasphemy stance.
So justified by his security personel killing him?
 
I'm still stunned. More so after reading Salman Taseer's Twitter updates. A few hours before he was murdered he posted this line from a Shakil Badayuni ghazal:

Mera azm itna bulund hae Parae sholon se dar nahin. Mujhe dar hae tu atish e gul se hae Ye kahin chaman ko jala na dein

Also shocked and disappointed at some of the comments I'm reading on Facebook i.e. from within my own network of friends and relatives.

One is calling for Asia Bibi's death.

Another is cursing Zardari and Altaf Hussein saying this murder should be a lesson for them.

Been listening to it on repeat:

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These things happen.

Lets not cry over spilt milk

Look on the bright side, he probably supported drone attacks, he had no issue with drones killing our citizens and another type of drone targeted him.



I am not to familiar with this guy so I asked my wife about him, she says he is/was a horrible secular and very very corrupt person with a jahil lifestyle.


Its weird that people are saying he is a shaeed and will go to jannat, for the life he has had I dont fancy being in his shoes.

A truly sad post. I am astonished that people can look at the bright side of the death of someone they admit they didn't know anything about.
 
Nothing justifies murder....i am just providing a perspective on the sentiment of many.
alright and so as others.

People are commenting on the reason as that was the reason which was given by the murderer and been published. So its okay for posters to take that as the reason and give their view. :)
 
I dont know why people bring drone attacks into it. Its not like america is using drone attacks to kill people for fun. And IMO drone attacks are not in the hand of political parties. Its more to do with pakistan army and if they were against it america would never have carried a single drone attack. Army.... not civil govt....also recieves money for drone attack in respect of use of air space and airbase.
And people who are opposed of drone attacks tell how govt can stop these drone attack without getting attacked militarily, diplomatically and financially.
 
Salam Taseer teri azmat ko salam. Teri bahadri ko salam. You will live forever in my heart. You will always be my hero. I salute you for the sacrifice you made for this country. You will always be remembered as a champion of the oppressed and the minorties. I salute you for standing up to the tyranny of religious extremism. You were the only person in the entire political set up to take a stand against this extreme and barbaric men made law with the exception of Sherry Rehman. Even your cowardly so called secular party did not support you. You paid the ultimate price with your life. May Allah grant your soul peace.

I am extremely sad and shocked on what happened today. But after reading some of the posts here and other comments on Facebook etc., celebrating, justifying and making fun of the death of a person, I feel disgusted to be a Pakistani today. Shame on you guys. Even if an enemy dies, our religion or any moral or ethical standards does not allow this type of behaviour. Its really pathetic. What has become of us, what sort of people are we and what does it say about our society in general. The more I think about it the more nauseous I become and more pessimistic about any good thing happening in Pakistan in the near future. Quoting the immortal words of Musharraf "Is mulk ka Allah hi hafaz hai"

Rest in peace Salman Taseer.
Well said saadibaba.
 
So what is the cause of his murder in your personal opinion. Please explain in detail and with some proof. Please not let this become another conspiracy theory. We have had enough of these theories. Let's not push this under the carpet too and take the blame off the extremists and the people and parties who support this kind of barbarism.

Mate, He is Governor of biggest province of "Islamic" Republic of Pakistan. It's just not his personal opinion. He is not aam admi. Plus he is beghairat of highest order.
 
Been listening to it on repeat:

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Wow. Thanks for sharing this.
 
These things happen.

Lets not cry over spilt milk

Look on the bright side, he probably supported drone attacks, he had no issue with drones killing our citizens and another type of drone targeted him.



I am not to familiar with this guy so I asked my wife about him, she says he is/was a horrible secular and very very corrupt person with a jahil lifestyle.


Its weird that people are saying he is a shaeed and will go to jannat, for the life he has had I dont fancy being in his shoes.

What a pathetic post. Likes of you will be throwing all sorts of sissy fits if Muslims in the West are burtality murdered in the broad daylight for their views. How would you feel if Muslims in the UK are punished for being 'horrible religious fanatics, leading jahil lifestyle and seemingly supporting events like 7/7? I don't think likes of you would have the freaking guts to say 'look at the bright sight' when some extremist scumbags get arrested in the West, then you cry injustice and consipracy.

Btw, get over he supported drone attacks. Drone attacks aren't happening because one or two politicans agree with them. They are happening because Pakistan's security institutions have permitted them which puts Pakistan army on top of the list, followed by intelliegnce. Now do you also wish death for Pakistan army because of the drone attacks? I guess you'd also celebrate if India drop bombs on Pakistan army headquarters and bases because they allowed drone attacks.
 
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I am against extra judicial killings of any person on the face of earth. Whether it be people killed in drone attacks, in police encounters, bomb blasts or cold blooded murder like Taseer. Islam never gives permission to an individual to kill somebody just in the name of blasphemy. If an individual is accused he should be brought before a competent court. The court had to decide what punishment is appropriate for that person according to the law of the land.

Now I had a question. Why did Salman Taseer went to save that lady Asia when she was awarded a punishment by a court of law? If the court had sentenced her to death, it must had heard the case and followed the law of our country. Ok if he went there just by the orders of Mr. Zardari ( because Zardari was under pressure from his western masters to save a christian lady from the gallows), he should had never spoken against the Blasphemy laws of Pakistan. We can not change our laws according to the wishes of West because we are an independent state. True that our leaders are corrupt to the core but we as a nation are as proud as any nation in the world.

Second question is for all our leaders running like anything to help that lady Asia. Why were you not running like this to help our own Pakistani lady Dr. Afia Siddiqui when she was sentenced to 86 years in prison on some wrong allegations. Why so much double standards? At least our leader could had brokered a deal- release Afia and we will release Asia. But alas our leaders has no guts to even raise their eyes in front of their masters.

P.S. Again I want to clarify that I am against any kind of killings of humans, whether Muslims, Hindus, Christians or any other people.
 
Now I had a question. Why did Salman Taseer went to save that lady Asia when she was awarded a punishment by a court of law? If the court had sentenced her to death, it must had heard the case and followed the law of our country. Ok if he went there just by the orders of Mr. Zardari ( because Zardari was under pressure from his western masters to save a christian lady from the gallows), he should had never spoken against the Blasphemy laws of Pakistan. We can not change our laws according to the wishes of West because we are an independent state. True that our leaders are corrupt to the core but we as a nation are as proud as any nation in the world.

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Fair enough question. Why is he trying to challenge a law?

Now can you tell me why you see lot of protests in this forum or around the world when a law is passed which goes against Islam/Muslim lifestyle?

The laws are made by human and if in an era it doesn't look right, it ought to be challenged or debated for change. Thats what he did. There are many others who also have his view point.

Does that mean, they all need to be shot?
 
People are up in arms when a western country starts talking about banning the burka. Talking about how the law is targeting muslims. What about this law?
 
Fair enough question. Why is he trying to challenge a law?

Now can you tell me why you see lot of protests in this forum or around the world when a law is passed which goes against Islam/Muslim lifestyle?

The laws are made by human and if in an era it doesn't look right, it ought to be challenged or debated for change. Thats what he did. There are many others who also have his view point.

Does that mean, they all need to be shot?


Mate I said I am against any kind of killings. Why speak against such a sensitive law that will give reasons to fanatics to kill you. If they (Government) was against that law, then they should had brought an amendment in the Parliament to change it. He was not an ordinary person like us discussing it on a forum. He was the governor of the biggest province of Pakistan.
 
The funeral of Salman Taseer is now taking place, he is getting full state honours and he deserves nothing less than that, may you rest in peace...one of the only people in our country who was brave enough to openly stand up to the religious extremists/fanatics, I salute you Salman Taseer.
 
Why did Mr. 10% not attended the funeral of his closest buddy?
 
Mate I said I am against any kind of killings. Why speak against such a sensitive law that will give reasons to fanatics to kill you. If they (Government) was against that law, then they should had brought an amendment in the Parliament to change it. He was not an ordinary person like us discussing it on a forum. He was the governor of the biggest province of Pakistan.
njamal, for the purposes of people who support the blasphemy law, they will see somebody bringing an amendment to dismiss it in the National Assembly the same way as they would someone speaking out against the law in the press. I don't see how the two are different.

If anything this will highlight the issue even more. Forget insulting Islam or the Prophet, just criticizing the blasphemy law is in the eyes of some people justification for you getting killed. That is seriously messed up.
 
News channels showing Taseer's coffin being lowered into the ground draped in the Pakistan flag...he deserves this honour.

His sons are crying and are in deep anguish...this is really sad....
 
Mate I said I am against any kind of killings. Why speak against such a sensitive law that will give reasons to fanatics to kill you. If they (Government) was against that law, then they should had brought an amendment in the Parliament to change it. He was not an ordinary person like us discussing it on a forum. He was the governor of the biggest province of Pakistan.

I know you are against killing. But its wrong to say that people should not voice against a law.

If I go by the bolded part, you are just making the fanatics stronger as according to you everyone should stay silent just cuz a fanatic is gonna kill you.

It doesn't affect much if we discuss in forum as long as people like them do not raise it in higher level and in parliament.

As some ppl mentioned he was currupt and bla bla, he might be, but in this case, IMO he was right to voice agianst a law which he and a lot didn't agree.
 
njamal, for the purposes of people who support the blasphemy law, they will see somebody bringing an amendment to dismiss it in the National Assembly the same way as they would someone speaking out against the law in the press. I don't see how the two are different.

If anything this will highlight the issue even more. Forget insulting Islam or the Prophet, just criticizing the blasphemy law is in the eyes of some people justification for you getting killed. That is seriously messed up.

Agreed 100%.

However, that's not what Taseer did. Many people have called for the law to be amended etc and still do, they're on TV most days doing so. What Taseer did was to subvert the judicial and legal process and proclaim the innocence of someone who was being tried in court for a serious offence.

He was not working within the democratic process to amend a law. He was engaging in extra-judicial political grand-standing.

As had been pointed out at the time, he had no business speaking out on the issue that was sub-judice, he had no business making press conferences with alleged criminals whose cases were in front of courts and doing so sitting in the Governor's Palace, and he had no business completely undermining and subverting the legal process by saying the accused should be pardoned/acquitted even though the courts had not heard the evidence against her. Not when he was also holding the second highest Constitutional office in the land! So he was subverting the judicial and legal process using the full power of his office. That's just wrong.

Whilst he had no business doing the above and was wrong, he fully deserved to live and someone had no business murdering him either! There is obviously no moral equivalence between the two - the murder was wrong.

If anything, Taseer's mistakes were political or administrative, and should have been dealt with through the normal political / judicial / administrative process.
 
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njamal, for the purposes of people who support the blasphemy law, they will see somebody bringing an amendment to dismiss it in the National Assembly the same way as they would someone speaking out against the law in the press. I don't see how the two are different.

If anything this will highlight the issue even more. Forget insulting Islam or the Prophet, just criticizing the blasphemy law is in the eyes of some people justification for you getting killed. That is seriously messed up.
You put it perfectly.

At one point we say " if you do anything wrong, you have to face the punishment after you die as the God will decide your punishment".

On the other hand, we become the judge and the hangman and punish ourself for something which can not be reversed.

IMO, no one should insult other religion. At the same time, the punishment should be enough to make sure he doesn't re-do it. Not kill the person.
 
Agreed 100%.

However, that's not what Taseer did. Many people have called for the law to be amended etc and still do, they're on TV most days doing so. What Taseer did was to subvert the judicial and legal process and proclaim the innocence of someone who was being tried in court for a serious offence.

He was not working within the democratic process to amend a law. He was engaging in extra-judicial political grand-standing.

As had been pointed out at the time, he had no business speaking out on the issue that was sub-judice, he had no business making press conferences with alleged criminals whose cases were in front of courts and doing so sitting in the Governor's Palace, and he had no business completely undermining and subverting the legal process by saying the accused should be pardoned/acquitted even though the courts had not heard the evidence against her. Not when he was also holding the second highest Constitutional office in the land! So he was subverting the judicial and legal process using the full power of his office. That's just wrong.

Whilst he had no business doing the above and was wrong, he fully deserved to live and someone had no business murdering him either! There is obviously no moral equivalence between the two - the murder was wrong.

If anything, Taseer's mistakes were political or administrative, and should have been dealt with through the normal political / judicial / administrative process.
I see. Thanks for clarifying. I guess I didn't fully understand some people's objection to what he was doing (nor in fact what Taseer himself was doing). I took it to mean they were against simple criticism of the law.
 
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News channels showing Taseer's coffin being lowered into the ground draped in the Pakistan flag...he deserves this honour.

His sons are crying and are in deep anguish...this is really sad....

Very sad indeed, at least the jannati people are happy to see someone dying like this. I will support anyone who openly criticises these nutcases(good to see huge crowd at the funeral).I actually want someone to ask this question to these nutcases as to how many bullets did propohet Muhammad(PBUH) and Sahaba fire at woman who used to throw garbage at him daily. How many Kafirs were slaughtered for insulting prophet Muhammad (PBUH)????
 
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Well they are not the extreme ones, they are the Ahle-Sunnat (the green turbans, I hope I am not mixing them up) ones, they are the most moderate ones when compared to others, but for them the Ghustaqi-e-rasool issue is the most serious issue in Islam, so no wonder they came up with this decree.

er, actually you are mixing them up. The green turban walay (dawateislami) have nothing to do with politics neither are they extreme. Understood!
 
I see. Thanks for clarifying. I guess I didn't fully understand some people's objection to what he was doing (nor in fact what Taseer himself was doing). I took it to mean they were against simple criticism of the law.

Your wider point still stands though - some nutcases would put even mere discussion of the law "beyond the pale"!

That's simply unacceptable. The law is not Qur'an and Hadeeth; its merely derived from them but derived by fallible human beings and thus no reason why it cannot be improved upon or amended.
 
I guess this is a thread added to condemn his merciless murder. Better it is if we put the criticism away and add another thread for that. Secondly, we can currently condemn his death only (in this thread) since this is the latest case right now. Drone attacks etc. can be mourn about seperately in their respective threads.

With that I may clarify that I have no intentions of shooting off an argument over anything.
 
I guess this is a thread added to condemn his merciless murder.
Yep, which was done by all and sundry yesterday.
Better it is if we put the criticism away and add another thread for that. Secondly, we can currently condemn his death only (in this thread) since this is the latest case right now. Drone attacks etc. can be mourn about seperately in their respective threads.
If some posters believe drone attacks or other criticisms are relevant to this thread, they will bring it up - can't really ask them not to, as long as they bring up those points civilly. In any case, this thread is not a "Condolence Book" - its a discussion and debate thread.
 
Yep, which was done by all and sundry yesterday.

I am at all denying that......

If some posters believe drone attacks or other criticisms are relevant to this thread, they will bring it up - can't really ask them not to, as long as they bring up those points civilly. In any case, this thread is not a "Condolence Book" - its a discussion and debate thread.

I was not forbidding anyone or asking others to heed me in this case. Was just my own point of view on things in hand.

The point simply was that what if someone adds a thread about drone attacks and then someone posts in that by asking why we don´t condemn attacks in palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon on and on?...... or states where non-Muslim minorities are supressed?.......

Even if done in a civilized way, my opinion still is that it is a silent way of putting things off the track.

DHONI183 said:
With that I may clarify that I have no intentions of shooting off an argument over anything.

Just quoting my earlier point again:).......
 
If anything, Taseer's mistakes were political or administrative, and should have been dealt with through the normal political / judicial / administrative process.

Great post SK, it is a condemnable act without question.
I draw your attention to the final para of your post to simply enquire whether you believe that Governor Taseer would in any way have been subject to these normal processes?
 
Thanks! :)
I draw your attention to the final para of your post to simply enquire whether you believe that Governor Taseer would in any way have been subject to these normal processes?
We have a largely independent senior judiciary, so no reason why he could not have been made accountable there in a legal and proper manner, IMHO. :)
 
I personally think that Salman Taseer did a great thing. I don't know in detail about what his other activities were however when it comes to this particular case he bravely represented a woman who was maligned by everyone, who had a bounty on her life, who's family was in danger, who was incapable financially and otherwise to properly represent herself and her side of the story in court.

Its similar to how local MP's take up the case of someone or when senators and even former presidents take up the case of citizens who have been arrested abroad and for whom it is possible are under-represented. He bravely took up the case of Asia, he stood up against extremists and religious fanatics like no public figure in Pakistan has ever done before.

Everyone can have their opinion on him, but I will only salute this brave man and hope that there are more like him in Pakistan who are willing to take extremism head on.
 
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I personally think that Salman Taseer did a great thing.
Abusing a constitutional office to derail and subvert the proper legal process and appearing to defend those who abuse the Noble Messenger, even allegedly, is never a great thing.
who was incapable financially and otherwise to properly represent herself and her side of the story in court.
Hardly. The whole weight of the Pakistani NGO Establishment and their acolytes in the media, as well as most international bodies were willing to defend her, finance her and her case and speak up for her rights etc.
He bravely took up the case of Asia, he stood up against extremists and religious fanatics
Nothing brave about it. It was political grand-standing to get some good press and praise from his media darlings - very sad and deplorable indeed that it led to actual murder, but brave is the last thing this joker was.
he stood up against extremists and religious fanatics like no public figure in Pakistan has ever done before.
Eh? Speaking up against Islam, Muslims and/or Islamists is what sustains 90% of the English media, the Establishment and the English-speaking Westernised classes in Pakistan! :)) They wouldn't have anything to do with their lives but for this 'pastime'.
 
some five hundred scholars have issued a joint statement that no one should pray the "Janaza" of deceased Salman Taseer and neither should anyone be sad/mourn his death as he was a Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw), and folks who support Salman Taseer may also fall in the category of Gustaakh-e-Rasool (saw).....

I apologize if I made any mistake.

It were islamic 'scholars' who said Jinnah was Kaafir-e-Azam. So really, they have zero credibility.

By the way, is it just me or it is becoming increasingly hard to defend Islam in front of the world after what's been happening lately?
 
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SK, you are welcome to your opinion however I will always term him as brave for what he did.

Also he got involved because he believed she was not getting a fair hearing and you have to look at the mitigating factors here, the extremists had not only put a bounty on her head but they said they would also put a bounty on the head of any judge who ruled in her favour, this is more than enough evidence to suggest that no trial could be fair under such circumstances.

What about arresting these extremists for subjugating justice then? No NGO or anything could help her in such extreme mitigating cirmcumstances and as it tragically turned out neither could a Governer. SK the spread of extremism in Pakistan is alarming and unacceptable...Im sure you would acknowledge that.
 
This Can't be wrost then Anything. My sister called me today from Islamabad to congratulate me on Salman Taseer Death and i was so Shocked ! i can't point other ppl that this is wrong when my own are celebrating his Death
 
People should've seen the photos of Taseer and his family having lavish parties at the Governor's mansion.His involvement in the Long March/Governors Rule saga in 2009 and his involvement in corruption cases.

Anybody can criticise the blasphemy laws,another to do something about it.Taseer wanted the political mileage.He is not a martyr,there are far more braver people who stood up for civil liberties.

Sherry Rehman actually did something about it,she introduced the private members bill to repeal the blasphemy laws.Taseer jumped on the bandwagon,so let's not label him as a hero.
 
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There was a tweet by someone that read as follows:

"The assasination of Salman Taseer was a tragedy, the fact that some Pakistanis celebrated it was an atrocity"

I would like to add "and made me lose hope in a nation" to the end of that however it really sums things up very well I think.
 
SK, you are welcome to your opinion however I will always term him as brave for what he did.
Of course - its a subjective opinion on either side. :)
Also he got involved because he believed she was not getting a fair hearing and you have to look at the mitigating factors here, the extremists had not only put a bounty on her head but they said they would also put a bounty on the head of any judge who ruled in her favour, this is more than enough evidence to suggest that no trial could be fair under such circumstances.
A lot, if not most, of that happened after his intervention ie when it was obvious that the State would ensure a miscarriage of justice through the Governor. Otherwise, no reason why she would not have received a fair hearing.

Most of those so-called bounties were nothing more than coconut filled chocolate bars - put up by two bit idiots with no following, no money and no religious standing, who were simply doing a Taseer - ie grandstanding in front of the cameras to get some attention.
What about arresting these extremists for subjugating justice then?
Taseer should have been arrested first, since he (a) abused and misused the highest office in the Province and (b) his internvention actually did have an effect.

But yes, anyone else asking for extra judicial or vigilante actions should of course have been arrested and should still be arrested too.
SK the spread of extremism in Pakistan is alarming and unacceptable... Im sure you would acknowledge that.
Indeed, I would. As is the liberal extremism being used to oppose it.
 
SK, I agree with some of your reply there and disagree with some of it too, so we'll just leave it at that :)
 
People should've seen the photos of Taseer and his family having lavish parties at the Governor's mansion.His involvement in the Long March/Governors Rule saga in 2009 and his involvement in corruption cases.
Not sure how that's relevant though - unless you are saying its okay to murder people for that?
 
Not sure how that's relevant though - unless you are saying its okay to murder people for that?

What I'm saying is that he is not a hero and a martyr.People should look at how Taseer lived his life-bombastic,very vocal and at times irritable.The lavish parties at his mansions goes to show why people may not feel a great deal of sympathy.The actual murder itself was tragic but because he's dead,does not mean he is automatically an angel.After all,Sherry Rehman actually took action against the blasphemy law with the private members bill whilst Taseer jumped on the bandwagon.

There are other people who have fought against blasphemy laws who are far more deserving of support and are the true heroes,so people should stop going as far as calling him hero and Shaheed.
 
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What I'm saying is that he is not a hero and a martyr.
Fair enough. Agreed with that. Only die-hard PPP groupies or extreme liberals would call him a martyr anyway.
The lavish parties at his mansions goes to show why people may not feel a great deal of sympathy.
Quite a few of those supporting him would consider the lavish parties, the drinking and the womanising etc as one of the many good things about him. :)
 
I Heard that Khateeb of Badsha Masjid Refused to Pray Namaz-e-Jinaza of Salman Taseer
 
Whatever the man was like, whatever he said whether right or wrong nothing justified his murder

There is no excuse, no buts. To the many people who have celebrated and/or praised the assassin, would you be doing the same if this was a relative of yours?

The country is going to the dogs because of nutcases like the murderer, we should be doing our utmost to encourage law, order and a civil society, not encourage such barbaric acts
 
Saadibaba comments are a reflection of mine as well.

Pakistan is fast becoming a very intolerant country. Yes I haven't been there for a couple of years and its easy to say so thousands of miles away.
But I get that feeling when you read a news editor has to delete 50% of peoples comments because they were celebrating/justifying the murder. When five hundred so called islamic 'scholars issue a statement they will not pray at his funeral. When you hear fellow Pakistani compatriots on the street say it was a good thing he died etc.
 
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This country is going to fanatics. Just heard on tv that imaam kaaba made a sifarash for a person to be IG punjab to nawaz sharif. Now what has imaam sahib business in the appointment of IG in pakistan. the person who is appointed on the recommendation of imaam sahib, how will he fight against those terrorist who are funded by saudis.
 
Death becomes his

Punjab Governor, Salman Taseer, was assassinated yesterday (January 4) by one of his security guards. The guard, who soon gave himself up to the police, proudly claimed that he killed the late Governor because Taseer had described the controversial blasphemy law as a ‘black law.’

Shocked? Well, about time. Governor Taseer’s murder is just a symptom of the creeping tyranny of religious hatred and demented self-righteousness each and every Pakistani has been living under for a number of years now.

Today, only a handful of Pakistanis are willing to stick out their chins and brace themselves for a possible beating for calling a spade a spade, and the late Governor was one of these brave souls.

There are very few vocal Pakistanis in this regard (in politics, media and cyberspace), who continue to face the music, tunes and threats of utter hatred thrown towards them not only from the usual faith-driven fascists who have taken it upon themselves to kill and harass in the fine name of Islam and God, but also from a rising (and strange) breed of ‘modernists’ who just cannot get their disfigured egos to admit that yes, Pakistan today has perhaps become one of the first examples of a fascist faith-based dystopia.

Never mind the animalistic murderers who in their pursuit to ‘safeguard faith’ have actually become a raving mockery of the whole concept of ashraful makhlukat (i.e. they have simply ceased being the humans that God created), but what about the educated ones, who too had a problem with Governor Taseer’s stand?

Since I would like to believe that there is still some essence of humanity left in them, there will be some who will be wishing and hoping that a theological justification is found behind such murders so they may acquit themselves of defending hatred in the name of faith and patriotism.

Alas! There is simply is no justification, theological or otherwise. Respected and deeply learned Islamic scholars like Javed Ahmed Ghamidi have repeatedly insisted that there is no historical or theological example or space in the workings of Islam for a law such as the blasphemy law.

But of course, what value or weight does reason and tolerance have in a country that is rapidly on a downward spiral towards a social and political abyss? It is a bottomless pit that many of us continue to insist is the reason why the founders created Pakistan.

This warped insistence that hell is actually heaven, comes cramped with a number of feeble arguments where renegade hate mongers, wily religious exploiters and their many animated soundboards in both print and electronic media try to whitewash their dark bile with chants against drone attacks and the blood of their ‘fellow countrymen’ who are being killed by the bullets of the Pakistan Army in the northwest.

Ordinary citizens are killed in our markets and mosques by the heroes and romanticised mujahids of these people. But instead of condemning such acts, they return to Aafia Siddiqui and the drones; politicians are assassinated for exercising their right to speak against injustices taking place in the name of faith, and they again return to Aafia and the drones; they and many of their children travel to the West for studies and business, and yet, they still talk about the drones.

It is as if drone attacks are the root cause of all evil, madness and bloodshed in this country. But aren’t the drones a more recent phenomenon, some four to five years old? The ignorance, intolerance and violence erupting in this holy dystopia of ours took lives long before the word ‘drone’ even entered our populist vocabulary, so what nonsense are these hate mongers on about?

Surely they can make a fool and a willing victim of a thoroughly disturbed and neurotic society with their lies, fake bombast and loud piety, but do they really think they can dodge their own conscience? These romanticised terrorists certainly can, because since they have stopped being humans, they have thus lost their conscience as well.

But all those politicians, preachers, columnists, TV anchors and their hung-over followers who, after Taseer’s statement against the blasphemy law, were beating the drums of hatred and passing judgments on matters over which only God alone has jurisdiction – what about them?

Are they happy? Do they feel triumphant? I doubt it. They will go back to doing what they do best: repress their guilt and the little humanity left in them by becoming even louder about their love of God and country and how angry they are because of, yes, you guessed it – the drone attacks.

I say, shame on you. I, as a Muslim, refuse to be categorised with cowards like you who have made a mockery of my country and my religion all over the world. Stop now before each one of you completely loses whatever little God’s greatest gifts are left in you: humanity, kindness, forgiveness and reason.

I say, renounce the hatred, the ignorance and bile you have been peddling as faith and justice. It is you who are God’s and this country’s greatest enemy, and may God alone have mercy on you.

http://blog.dawn.com/2011/01/05/death-becomes-his/
 
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