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Punjab Governer Salman Taseer Killed

This Can't be wrost then Anything. My sister called me today from Islamabad to congratulate me on Salman Taseer Death and i was so Shocked ! i can't point other ppl that this is wrong when my own are celebrating his Death

And I can't believe how my mom, dad, uncles and aunts are happy at his death since yesterday. Makes me sick.


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On the topic, well one thing we can't do anymore in this case is blaming America or CIA or Israel. This murderer was 100% Pakistani. And apparently, 200% Muslim.

Time for our society for some reflection.
 
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This country is going to fanatics. Just heard on tv that imaam kaaba made a sifarash for a person to be IG punjab to nawaz sharif. Now what has imaam sahib business in the appointment of IG in pakistan. the person who is appointed on the recommendation of imaam sahib, how will he fight against those terrorist who are funded by saudis.

Good job by the media, I'd say.
 
People here are blaming Extreme Islamic fanatics for the current situation of Pakistan. But they are forgetting to see the other side of the picture. You need two to tango. So called ultra modern secular (liberal) Muslims are equally responsible for this situation. These liberal muslims never misses a chance to criticise anything about Islam (right or wrong). Both Islamic extremists and Liberal extremists should come to the middle ground and settle the matter. Islam is the religion of peace and is against any kind of extremist (islamic or liberal).
 
^^ except the "liberal extremists" are trying to use words to fight the gun-toting religious fanatics. three guesses who goes down.
 
The assassin has been garlanded outside court:
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Arrested Pakistani bodyguard Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri wearing a garland shouts 'We are ready to sacrifice our life for the prestige of the Prophet Mohammad' after appearing in court in Islamabad on January 5, 2011 a day after the assassination of the governor of Punjab province Salman Taseer. Pakistani police on January 5, 2011 charged the police commando with murder and terrorism over the killing of Salman Taseer, lawyers said. Qadri, who was part of Taseer's security detail, was presented before a magistrate in Islamabad and will appear in an anti-terrorism court on January 6, lawyer Mohammad Ashraf Gujjar told.

Oh, hopeless day...
 
Ansar Abbasi on Hamid Mir's show, spouting crap. Making me ashamed of being an Abbasi.
 
Bet he can't be worse than Meher Bokhari today. Her show's tagline is "Qadri: Mujrim ya Hero?"

she is being fair to everyone. There may be people in pakistan who think this is a good act. i havent seen a mulla on tv who has come out and in 100% sure words has condemn this without ifs and buts
 
she is being fair to everyone. There may be people in pakistan who think this is a good act. i havent seen a mulla on tv who has come out and in 100% sure words has condemn this without ifs and buts

Yeah actually I agree with having an open debate. There is no denying that many in the country are actually praising this guy. Whereas quite a few are condemning it too. Having open debates where general public can hear both sides' view is good as it may present a clearer, more balanced picture to the public rather than further increasing the divide between the two views. Such debates where both sides get to speak can decrease this divide which is the need of the hour.

On the condition that the host isn't biased, that is.
 
she is being fair to everyone. There may be people in pakistan who think this is a good act. i havent seen a mulla on tv who has come out and in 100% sure words has condemn this without ifs and buts

...And that says a lot about maturity and the actual characters of the Mullhas, they were also tight lipped when suicide bombing was rapidly becoming the next big trend and looked what happened.
 
Err why the hell that Qadri guy wearing a phoolon ka haar?
 
Good job by the media, I'd say.

No, no, brother. you got it wrong. Media didnt report it. It was basically slip of tongue by reporter and he didnt even criticize it. Our media will never report that kind of thing. You have to understand that our media comprises of people who are extreme rightist and will never project rightist in bad manner. For example take wikileaks, As i posted earlier media reported every thing bad about leftist parties but never told truth about aafia siddiqui. They didnt even report the statement by her maternal uncle. Another example is salman taseer's where even today no one is saying that he didnt say any thing ill about Prophet (PBUH) and are still indicating he insulted Prophet (PBUH).
 
PPPP has decided to Put a candidate for Punjab Governer. Guess who ???

Aitazaz Ahsan ! :)
 
Hi guys

As much as a disgusting act this may have been, it was inevitable, given the current political atmosphere in the country. I think he could have made things easier for himself by playing it smart. Seeing the few tweets posted here and on google, it seemed as if he was fanning the fire by being too direct and arrogant. He could have been patient and played his cards carefully. It wouldn't have saved him any verbal rebuke, but could have let him live.

In spite, this is not an isolated incident and not the only one taking place. The country has been divided along religious lines for some time now; almost similar to what the sub-continent had been prior to the establishment of Pak. The complexity of the problem is such that what appears right to one, is wrong to another.

The only viable solution apparent is the division of the country into smaller, autonomous states. There is nothing than can revive Pakistan; simply because there has been too much wrong done, much of which people are not ready to forget, nor forgive. Where can we go on from here? Any of you must have see a 5-time prayer being labelled molvi as is a jeans-wearing youth labelled a liberal. So, lets divide the division. Our geography would let us remain as neighbours, as we are now, albeit without each other's burdens...
 
People need to be firm and condemn this act The more ground we gnna give to these nutters the more radicalised our country wil become
 
It's a sad yet interesting situation. I guess a relatively bigger majority is either celebrating the unlawful death of Salman Taseer or have no regret whatsoever in comparison to the folks who r standing with the fact Mr Taseer's death is not only unfortunate but also tears apart law of the land that we must all abide by.

So what if we had a free n fair elections to have democracy in Pakistan at this point?
 
People need to be firm and condemn this act The more ground we gnna give to these nutters the more radicalised our country wil become

Totally agree Zaz. Before you know it, people will be killed just bringing up the topic of the blasphemy law for discussion or not growing a beard or not covering their heads. There will be no end to this madness. The moderate forces need to fight back otherwise it will be too late. This country is going down the drain, fast. The showering of rose petals at a murderer by lawyers is a despicable act and should be strongly condemned by the whole civil socity, media, judiciary, politicians etc. If we keep shut or appear too weak or scared to voice our opinions than just say goodbye to this country.
 
Completely agree with saadibaba,

The lawyers actions were despicable, although they had already shown their class when they used to beat up anyone who didnt agree with them during the so called "lawyers movement" and when there wasnt someone who didnt agree with them....well then they used to beat each other up.

Saadibaba is right we cannot be scared by these extremists, we must face them head on and we must do it in a civilised manner, show them what a civilised society is. We need a law in Pakistan similar to the law that exists here in the UK...and that is a law against the justification and glorification of any act of crime or terror.

Any person found in violation of this law should be arrested, charged and if found guilty after a free and fair trial should be given a very very stiff punishment.
 
Totally agree Zaz. Before you know it, people will be killed just bringing up the topic of the blasphemy law for discussion or not growing a beard or not covering their heads. There will be no end to this madness. The moderate forces need to fight back otherwise it will be too late. This country is going down the drain, fast. The showering of rose petals at a murderer by lawyers is a despicable act and should be strongly condemned by the whole civil socity, media, judiciary, politicians etc. If we keep shut or appear too weak or scared to voice our opinions than just say goodbye to this country.

Agreed. To quote (I think) Ghamdi on the issue: What is difficult to say today might become impossible tomorrow if we don't speak up now.
 
Agreed. To quote (I think) Ghamdi on the issue: What is difficult to say today might become impossible tomorrow if we don't speak up now.

Very true, havent moderates been quiet all this while? Havent we just sat at home and done nothing so that we don't take any unnecessary "pangas" with the extremists?

Look where that has got us, if we do not act strongly now...we will not only lose our country to them but we will also lose our religion and our way of life to them, dont you think so?
 
http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/05/lawyers-shower-roses-for-governors-killer.html

LAHORE: Lawyers showered the suspected killer of a prominent Pakistani governor with rose petals when he arrived at court Wednesday and an influential Muslim scholars group praised the assassination of the outspoken opponent of laws that order death for those who insult Islam.

Mumtaz Qadri made his first appearance in an Islamabad court, where a judge remanded him in custody a day after he allegedly sprayed automatic gunfire at the back of Punjab province Gov. Salman Taseer while he was supposed to be protecting him as a bodyguard.

A rowdy crowd slapped him on the back and kissed his cheek as he was escorted inside. The lawyers who tossed handfuls of rose petals over him were not involved in the case.

As he left the court, a crowd of about 200 sympathizers chanted ”death is acceptable for Muhammad’s slave.” The suspect stood at the back door of an armored police van with a flower necklace given to him by an admirer and repeatedly yelled ”God is great.”

More than 500 clerics and scholars from the group Jamat Ahle Sunnat said no one should pray or express regret for the killing of the governor. The group representing Pakistan’s majority Barelvi sect, which follows a brand of Islam considered moderate, also issued a veiled threat to other opponents of the blasphemy laws.

”The supporter is as equally guilty as one who committed blasphemy,” the group warned in a statement, adding politicians, the media and others should learn ”a lesson from the exemplary death.”

Jamat leader Maulana Shah Turabul Haq Qadri paid ”glorious tribute to the murderer … for his courage, bravery and religious honor and integrity.”

Mumtaz Qadri told interrogators Tuesday that he shot the liberal Taseer multiple times because of the politician’s vocal opposition to the harsh blasphemy laws.
 
Totally agree Zaz. Before you know it, people will be killed just bringing up the topic of the blasphemy law for discussion or not growing a beard or not covering their heads. There will be no end to this madness. The moderate forces need to fight back otherwise it will be too late. This country is going down the drain, fast. The showering of rose petals at a murderer by lawyers is a despicable act and should be strongly condemned by the whole civil socity, media, judiciary, politicians etc. If we keep shut or appear too weak or scared to voice our opinions than just say goodbye to this country.


Spot on but from what ive seen and read i fear its too little too late

If so called intellects such as lawyers praise such acts what hope is there for the country?
 
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Very Sadly i have to say that except PP most of Pakistan is happy with his Death.
 
Now, most liberals and outspoken personalities will think twice before supporting an innocent....all these hard line radical pseudo Islamists were quiet when all the suicide bombing were going off and now suddenly they have come out in full force and pushing for that stronghold with support of that blasphemy law
 
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It sickens me that a brave man has paid such a high price - for what? For standing up for decency and humanity?
What other obscene acts can these horrible people carry out in the name of their perverted version of Islam?

How much more of this do we have to take, before people say enough is enough.

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
 
Totally agree Zaz. Before you know it, people will be killed just bringing up the topic of the blasphemy law for discussion or not growing a beard or not covering their heads. There will be no end to this madness. The moderate forces need to fight back otherwise it will be too late. This country is going down the drain, fast. The showering of rose petals at a murderer by lawyers is a despicable act and should be strongly condemned by the whole civil socity, media, judiciary, politicians etc. If we keep shut or appear too weak or scared to voice our opinions than just say goodbye to this country.

I completely agree. If the moderates stay quiet, then what we'll end up will be no different than Afghanistan under Taliban rule. Because we have to remember that the main reason for Taliban kind of rule for so long was because they faced no resistence. And the reason for that was that all the moderates and liberals from Afghanistan fled the country.

And before people glorify Taliban rule, let me assure you that have no friggin' clue about what they were really like.
 
I completely agree. If the moderates stay quiet, then what we'll end up will be no different than Afghanistan under Taliban rule. Because we have to remember that the main reason for Taliban kind of rule for so long was because they faced no resistence. And the reason for that was that all the moderates and liberals from Afghanistan fled the country.

And before people glorify Taliban rule, let me assure you that have no friggin' clue about what they were really like.

Hi MJ,

The Taliban were the creation of Pak army with Saudi money. Infact, several pathan origin concripts from Pak army, originally sent to the taliban for training etc, were denied entry to Pak and/or killed as well when the present conflict began.

Untill 9/11, they were fed, clothed, flown to saudi arabia for ummrah, business, everytyhing you could think of. Infact, in 1998 they were invited to the US, to Bush's state, where they discussed a pipeline from central asia through to gavadar. This was then linked to the selling of coastal land in Balochistan to US corporations by Bhutto govt. in 1990-91. From 95, the Taliban were essentially Pak army's best friends in Afghanistan and they did major things for the Pak army. For example, keeping India out of Afghan politics, and so on. Its not as if there was no one to resist them. There were Afghan leaders (Ahmad Shah Masood) etc. who could resist them. But the status quo, i.e. US's proxy poodle, i.e. Pak army, never paid them any heed. Infact, they took an opposing stance.

Imran Khan's solution is the most reasonable thus far, as he knows pashtoon culture and knows ofthe jirga system, something which mush had a chance at but failed. Get the stake holders to cease fire, and talk over a solution. Its as simple as. It worked in Iraq, and they have added shia, sunni, kurd problems. Hence, it could likely work in our case too. Only thing is that Pak needs to grow a pair, and take a firmer stance at persuading the US to talk. or, all provinces go their own ways.
 
I echo what posters above me are saying - If the moderates don't stand up now and speak out against this madness it will only fuel fire to the fanatics that believe bullets are the answer to anyone speaking against mullah rule.
 
Hi MJ,

The Taliban were the creation of Pak army with Saudi money. Infact, several pathan origin concripts from Pak army, originally sent to the taliban for training etc, were denied entry to Pak and/or killed as well when the present conflict began.

Untill 9/11, they were fed, clothed, flown to saudi arabia for ummrah, business, everytyhing you could think of. Infact, in 1998 they were invited to the US, to Bush's state, where they discussed a pipeline from central asia through to gavadar. This was then linked to the selling of coastal land in Balochistan to US corporations by Bhutto govt. in 1990-91. From 95, the Taliban were essentially Pak army's best friends in Afghanistan and they did major things for the Pak army. For example, keeping India out of Afghan politics, and so on. Its not as if there was no one to resist them. There were Afghan leaders (Ahmad Shah Masood) etc. who could resist them. But the status quo, i.e. US's proxy poodle, i.e. Pak army, never paid them any heed. Infact, they took an opposing stance.

There is not much wrong with your statement above and neither did I argue against it. But what I said and what you wrote aren't exactly related. You're talking about the Taliban coming to power, whereas I'm giving reason for their long stay in power afterwards.

The reason for Taliban coming to power was American money and Pakistani training. But the reason for their stay in power for so long in Afghanistan was lack of any substantial resistence from the moderates and liberals within the Afghan society.

After the Soviets were defeated, America lost all interest in Afghanistan. That is something not only the Pakistani establishment but also many Afghans themselves complain to America about to this day. You can blame USA for praising the Taliban when it needed them to pass that pipeline contract. But that doesn't mean that USA supported Taliban rule and was spending money and effort to keep them there. It just means that USA is a selfish country who'd make a dog its dad when it needed something from it. They saw in the map that the pipeline had to go through Afghanistan, they found out who ruled there, and they started praising them to get what they wanted.

Yes, Pakistan supported Taliban rule, and yes they wanted 'strategic depth' via them. But by claiming that Pakistan are responsible for such long rule of the Taliban in Afghanistan, you are doing two things which are wrong.

First, you are giving way too much credit to Pakistan. Afghanistan is not exactly Pakistan's property to do as it likes, no matter how much some people would like to believe this. There is a limit to Pakistan's hold on the Taliban and they did defy Pakstan's wishes on more than one occasion while in power.

Second, and it's an extension of the first, you are underestimating the Afghans themselves. They're no one's b******, pardon my French. There are quite a few former empires who'd testify to this effect.

When Taliban came to power, they had large support because they ended a very long and disastrous civil war. People wanted peace. So they thanked god for the Taliban, just like we do when we want change of civilian government by the military, or military government by the civilians. But after a while, when they realized that Taliban rule isn't exactly all peaches and roses, the Afghanis started to se them for what they are. Again, just like we do.

The difference was that by that time, most of Afghanistan's liberals and moderates had fled the country in fear of persecution. Hence, those who were against the Taliban were either powerless, or political enemies. The masses stayed quiet and bore them.

The condition in Pakistan is still different because a large number of Pakistan's moderates are still sitting here. I doubt they'll leave en masse like the Afghans, but if their silence continues, that time isn't really an impossibility.

I visited some relatives today. What I found there was disturbing. I noticed that those who supported the blasphemy laws and this Qadri guy's actions were quite loud and their conversations took center stage. While the few who opposed it whispered to each other in the corners.

This is pretty much the condition of the country right now. And if those moderates and liberals don't leave those corners and speak out, the extremists WILL take center stage.
 
There is not much wrong with your statement above and neither did I argue against it. But what I said and what you wrote aren't exactly related. You're talking about the Taliban coming to power, whereas I'm giving reason for their long stay in power afterwards.

The reason for Taliban coming to power was American money and Pakistani training. But the reason for their stay in power for so long in Afghanistan was lack of any substantial resistence from the moderates and liberals within the Afghan society.

After the Soviets were defeated, America lost all interest in Afghanistan. That is something not only the Pakistani establishment but also many Afghans themselves complain to America about to this day. You can blame USA for praising the Taliban when it needed them to pass that pipeline contract. But that doesn't mean that USA supported Taliban rule and was spending money and effort to keep them there. It just means that USA is a selfish country who'd make a dog its dad when it needed something from it. They saw in the map that the pipeline had to go through Afghanistan, they found out who ruled there, and they started praising them to get what they wanted.

Yes, Pakistan supported Taliban rule, and yes they wanted 'strategic depth' via them. But by claiming that Pakistan are responsible for such long rule of the Taliban in Afghanistan, you are doing two things which are wrong.

First, you are giving way too much credit to Pakistan. Afghanistan is not exactly Pakistan's property to do as it likes, no matter how much some people would like to believe this. There is a limit to Pakistan's hold on the Taliban and they did defy Pakstan's wishes on more than one occasion while in power.

Second, and it's an extension of the first, you are underestimating the Afghans themselves. They're no one's b******, pardon my French. There are quite a few former empires who'd testify to this effect.

When Taliban came to power, they had large support because they ended a very long and disastrous civil war. People wanted peace. So they thanked god for the Taliban, just like we do when we want change of civilian government by the military, or military government by the civilians. But after a while, when they realized that Taliban rule isn't exactly all peaches and roses, the Afghanis started to se them for what they are. Again, just like we do.

The difference was that by that time, most of Afghanistan's liberals and moderates had fled the country in fear of persecution. Hence, those who were against the Taliban were either powerless, or political enemies. The masses stayed quiet and bore them.

The condition in Pakistan is still different because a large number of Pakistan's moderates are still sitting here. I doubt they'll leave en masse like the Afghans, but if their silence continues, that time isn't really an impossibility.

I visited some relatives today. What I found there was disturbing. I noticed that those who supported the blasphemy laws and this Qadri guy's actions were quite loud and their conversations took center stage. While the few who opposed it whispered to each other in the corners.

This is pretty much the condition of the country right now. And if those moderates and liberals don't leave those corners and speak out, the extremists WILL take center stage.

Thanks for the reply. What I tried to say was that the present situation in our land can be solved much quicker and with less the effort than relying on what could be regarded as a minority population in that part of the world. Also, there are not many liberals in Pak whom different sides of spectrum would together like to listen to. Had Taseer murhoom been a noble man; I don't believe Qadri would have been brave enough to kill him. Liberals aside, if we can negotiate a cease fire and then discuss where we go on from here, everything can be solved without having any more Taseers.
 
watch this and decide for your self what salman taseer said

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im coming into this morphed debate a little late but Ill say my piece..

firstly My position is the same as sheharyar k's..so I wont elaborate too much on that just read sk's posts..

secondly I want to address the uchalna and kudna if you pardon my crassness of some of our more secular members on this forum..you all seem to talk as if there is this clash between liberals and extemists..well I have news for you..there is no such clash...they are both different sides of the same coin..both ignore the real substance and nature of Pakistan itself..

now hear me out..this may come as a shock to alot of PP'ers who live in the west..but Pakistan is a naturally conservative country..secularism is an anathema to it..it goes against the grain of everything that is Pakistani..why? because secularism in Pakistan is debauchery, ghunda gurdi, western appeasement, haramzadgi, etc etc..it is seen as a bankrupt philosophy that is perpertrated by western elites who care nothing for the majority of people..

the majority of people want honour for their family, honour for their deen and an honourable way of making a living...that is all..but they are constantly denied all..their families are not safe, their deen is lambasted constantly by "liberals" and they cant eat anymore!!

now you talk of speaking out..it will do you know good because the masses no longer want to hear secular prattle..they want roti, deen, insaaniyat or insaaf!! give them all of those and it will bring peace and then maybe one will be able to talk about secularism or liberalism in society!

Unfortunatley Murhoom Taseer represented a detached elite who's liberal lifestyle is against he grain of everything that a normal Pakistani thinks is right...hence why no one is shedding any tears..

of course its sick what happened to him but this happens all the time to innocent people in karachi,fata, sindh, punjab why should they care what happens to him?? solve the masses problems and you these things wont happen..
 
im coming into this morphed debate a little late but Ill say my piece..

firstly My position is the same as sheharyar k's..so I wont elaborate too much on that just read sk's posts..

secondly I want to address the uchalna and kudna if you pardon my crassness of some of our more secular members on this forum..you all seem to talk as if there is this clash between liberals and extemists..well I have news for you..there is no such clash...they are both different sides of the same coin..both ignore the real substance and nature of Pakistan itself..

now hear me out..this may come as a shock to alot of PP'ers who live in the west..but Pakistan is a naturally conservative country..secularism is an anathema to it..it goes against the grain of everything that is Pakistani..why? because secularism in Pakistan is debauchery, ghunda gurdi, western appeasement, haramzadgi, etc etc..it is seen as a bankrupt philosophy that is perpertrated by western elites who care nothing for the majority of people..

the majority of people want honour for their family, honour for their deen and an honourable way of making a living...that is all..but they are constantly denied all..their families are not safe, their deen is lambasted constantly by "liberals" and they cant eat anymore!!

now you talk of speaking out..it will do you know good because the masses no longer want to hear secular prattle..they want roti, deen, insaaniyat or insaaf!! give them all of those and it will bring peace and then maybe one will be able to talk about secularism or liberalism in society!

Unfortunatley Murhoom Taseer represented a detached elite who's liberal lifestyle is against he grain of everything that a normal Pakistani thinks is right...hence why no one is shedding any tears..

of course its sick what happened to him but this happens all the time to innocent people in karachi,fata, sindh, punjab why should they care what happens to him?? solve the masses problems and you these things wont happen..
Top post.In pakistan ordinary people suffer every day at the hands of ruling elite but these parasites are busy taking their country for a ride.Its sad he lost his life but these politicians kill ordinary folk directly and indirectly every single day.

Mr Taseer,s kids wont die of hunger without roti but when a mazdoor dies from a stray bullet in Karachi or a drone in fata his family dies every single day from hunger poverty and social injustices.

These politicians need to get the message that its high they stop treating
normal ppl like keeray makoray or yahan aur kai taseers marain ge.
 
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When I ask those who are in favor of this medieval law, "What would the prophet do if someone were to insult him?" I always get an answer, "He would forgive that person." Now my question is if the Prophet can forgive those who insult him why can't those who profess to follow him and Sunnah cannot do the same?

Unfortunately those who brag about following the 'best' religion have no respect for human life. This by itself is against the teachings of the Quran.

Seeing so many to come out in defense of this barbaric law lead me to believe there is absolutely no hope for Pakistan.
 
Spoke to some relatives in Pakistan and asked them about reaction of people in Pindi/Islamabad. I was told that people are celebrating.

Shocking Stuff.
 
Spoke to some relatives in Pakistan and asked them about reaction of people in Pindi/Islamabad. I was told that people are celebrating.

Shocking Stuff.

Insaftak us living abroad dont realize how common man in pakistan has suffered at the hands of this ruling elite.Common man is sick and tired of these politicians and like Imran khan said on ARY today that Inqlaab is here any time now.
 
Insaftak us living abroad dont realize how common man in pakistan has suffered at the hands of this ruling elite.Common man is sick and tired of these politicians and like Imran khan said on ARY today that Inqlaab is here any time now.

I have no problem with awam getting rid of corrupt ruling elite but killing him for what he said against a law is just not on.

I agree with you on ruling elite deserves it for keeping our awam jahil. They will pay for it even more if they continue to ignore basic problems of Pakistan.
 
When I ask those who are in favor of this medieval law, "What would the prophet do if someone were to insult him?" I always get an answer, "He would forgive that person." Now my question is if the Prophet can forgive those who insult him why can't those who profess to follow him and Sunnah cannot do the same?

Unfortunately those who brag about following the 'best' religion have no respect for human life. This by itself is against the teachings of the Quran.

Seeing so many to come out in defense of this barbaric law lead me to believe there is absolutely no hope for Pakistan.

go to this link it myt answer your Q..

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/video/video.php?v=1701217723922&comments
listen to the Alim's
 
I have no problem with awam getting rid of corrupt ruling elite but killing him for what he said against a law is just not on.

I agree with you on ruling elite deserves it for keeping our awam jahil. They will pay for it even more if they continue to ignore basic problems of Pakistan.

I am not condoning his killing but reaction of common man is understandable.
 
Insaftak us living abroad dont realize how common man in pakistan has suffered at the hands of this ruling elite.Common man is sick and tired of these politicians and like Imran khan said on ARY today that Inqlaab is here any time now.

I think it also depends on the character of the politican. Benezir wasn't really an angel but even those who hated her with passion, genuinely mourned her death.

Salman Taseer's more known for being a rich businessman come laid back politican braging about his friendship with Zardari than a politican making passionate speeches about roti, kapra or makaan in front of millions of people.
 
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I am not condoning his killing but reaction of common man is understandable.

Agreed. I feel the same way. The guy was corrupt, and people like him should have been locked up anyway.

I dont like the act of killing him, but I am not at all saddened by his death.

This is just the assassination of BB. I didnt like the way she was killed, but wasnt saddened by her death either
 
Spoke to some relatives in Pakistan and asked them about reaction of people in Pindi/Islamabad. I was told that people are celebrating.

Shocking Stuff.

I was talking to some people in Pakistan, and not the religious type. In fact very liberal non-religious people. Got the same reaction from them.

People who dont actually know him, the kind of crap this guy did, should stop making a hero out of him just coz he spoke against a law.
 
I was talking to some people in Pakistan, and not the religious type. In fact very liberal non-religious people. Got the same reaction from them.

People who dont actually know him, the kind of crap this guy did, should stop making a hero out of him just coz he spoke against a law.

Some idiots are calling him a shaheed.It makes me cringe the way they use shaheed for BB and now him.
 
Some idiots are calling him a shaheed.It makes me cringe the way they use shaheed for BB and now him.

Every political person in pakistan becomes a shaheed when he dies. Read a brilliant post from a poster in this thread:

Salam Taseer teri azmat ko salam. Teri bahadri ko salam. You will live forever in my heart. You will always be my hero. I salute you for the sacrifice you made for this country.

I bet these people know nothing about this guy's activities, how he damaged the country. Just coz he said something against a law, heis suddenly the leader pakistan always needed
 
Every political person in pakistan becomes a shaheed when he dies. Read a brilliant post from a poster in this thread:



I bet these people know nothing about this guy's activities, how he damaged the country. Just coz he said something against a law, heis suddenly the leader pakistan always needed

This is such a long thread that I have not been able see this gem before.
 
This is such a long thread that I have not been able see this gem before.

I also stumbled upon it by chance. I havent even read most of this thread. Just the few posts where he is being called a hero and a martyr, were enough to make me puke.

The trend for some people, is that anyone who speaks against extremism, is a hero and an angel. It doesnt matter if he stinks of crap that he has collected throughout his political career
 
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I also stumbled upon it by chance. I havent even read most of this thread. Just the few posts where he is being called a hero and a martyr, were enough to make me puke.

The trend for some people, is that anyone who speaks against extremism, is a hero and an angel. It doesnt matter if he stinks of crap that he has collected throughout his political career

Its become fashionable to present yourself "roshan khayal".
 
http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/06/police-charge-mumtaz-qadri-with-taseers-murder.html

ISLAMABAD/LAHORE, Jan 5: The assassination of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer kept the nation riveted on Wednesday after doubts were raised that it was political conspiracy and not an act of a lone fanatic.

“Every aspect is being considered,” said an official in reply to a question about the investigation.

The suspicion grew because a number of officials confirmed that Malik Mumtaz Qadri, the guard who had gunned down Mr Taseer, was posted out of the Rawalpindi police’s special branch about 18 months ago after a report by then Regional Police Officer Nasir Khan Durrani described him as a ‘security threat’.

Dawn has learnt that Qadri’s senior called him a security threat because of his extremist views and one officer had recommended that he should not be deputed for security of important people.

Investigators have sought a report from the Rawalpindi police. The officials said that senior police officers should be held responsible for including Qari in the squad for security of the governor.

A team comprising CIA personnel has been constituted to investigate the background of Qadri. They have started collecting details and particulars about the murderer and getting information from his neighbours, relatives and friends.

The team is also interrogating eight personnel of the Elite Force who did not stop Qadri when he opened fire at the governor.

The investigators are of the opinion that the security guards’ failure to stop their colleague strengthens the suspicions of a conspiracy.

According to the preliminary investigation, the killer fired bullets in three phases. But, surprisingly, other guards standing beside the governor did not try to overpower their colleague.

“It makes no sense that personnel who were on duty did not retaliate despite carrying active firearms,” an official told Dawn.

“This is why the perception that the rest of the guards had some inkling about Qadri’s intention is gaining strength.”

The investigators also picked up Mohrar and Naib-Mohrar of the Elite Force who had taken the decision to depute Qadri with the governor.

Islamabad Chief Commissioner Tariq Mehmud Pirzada has constituted a joint team to investigate the incident.

It comprises DIG (Operations) Bani Ameen, SSP Tahir Alam Khan, SP (Investigation) Tahir Ayub Khan, SP CID Gulfam Nasir, Kohsar police station SHO Inspector Hakim Khan and officials from intelligence agencies, including the ISI and IB.

Legal proceedings have also been initiated. The Islamabad police, through the chief commissioner, have requested the law secretary to appoint a lawyer of repute as special public prosecutor to initiate legal course.

SON SPEAKS UP
An FIR was registered at the Kohsar police station on a complaint lodged by Shehryar Taseer, a son of the slain governor.

He said in the complaint that his father had his own point of view on important issues. Because of this he had received several threats from different religious and political groups.

Mr Shehryar said Qadri had murdered his father with cooperation and willingness of religious and political groups.

The Punjab government also formed an inquiry committee comprising Special Branch’s Additional IG Nasir Khan Durrani, Additional IG Mushtaq Ahmad Sukhera and DIG Shoaib Dastgir.

Mr Durrani, who heads the committee, told Dawn that they would identify loopholes, shortcomings and lapses in the security protocol.

This committee will also grill the Elite Force personnel for their inaction after Qadri opened fire.

Mr Durrani said the committee would finalise its report in a couple of days. Giving the other side of picture, a senior police officer said the situation could have become confusing for investigators and the government if Qari’s colleagues had killed him.

He said that the sub-machinegun used in the murder also serves as a training tool by Elite Force. Recruits receive training for six months in the Elite Training School on Badian Road, Lahore.

It includes a VVIP protection course in which they learn how to protect VVIPs from front, back, right and left sides on crowd and rescue them on critical occasions.

The training also enables the personnel to fire excellently their target using light and heavy weapons from 50, 100, 200 and 500 metres.

The officer said that an Elite Force policeman got Rs3,000 as extra monthly allowance after completing his training.
 
Salman Taseer was not a good man and he was not a martyr but nevertheless his death is a tragedy as he was still our governor.
 
Do you think not supporting somebody is the same as wanting him dead?
 
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I was sent this video and in hindsight it was a mistake to put it up here.
 
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^ Thats so low man! What has her daugher got to with this thread? Honestly!
 
im coming into this morphed debate a little late but Ill say my piece..

firstly My position is the same as sheharyar k's..so I wont elaborate too much on that just read sk's posts..

secondly I want to address the uchalna and kudna if you pardon my crassness of some of our more secular members on this forum..you all seem to talk as if there is this clash between liberals and extemists..well I have news for you..there is no such clash...they are both different sides of the same coin..both ignore the real substance and nature of Pakistan itself..

now hear me out..this may come as a shock to alot of PP'ers who live in the west..but Pakistan is a naturally conservative country..secularism is an anathema to it..it goes against the grain of everything that is Pakistani..why? because secularism in Pakistan is debauchery, ghunda gurdi, western appeasement, haramzadgi, etc etc..it is seen as a bankrupt philosophy that is perpertrated by western elites who care nothing for the majority of people..

the majority of people want honour for their family, honour for their deen and an honourable way of making a living...that is all..but they are constantly denied all..their families are not safe, their deen is lambasted constantly by "liberals" and they cant eat anymore!!

now you talk of speaking out..it will do you know good because the masses no longer want to hear secular prattle..they want roti, deen, insaaniyat or insaaf!! give them all of those and it will bring peace and then maybe one will be able to talk about secularism or liberalism in society!

Unfortunatley Murhoom Taseer represented a detached elite who's liberal lifestyle is against he grain of everything that a normal Pakistani thinks is right...hence why no one is shedding any tears..

of course its sick what happened to him but this happens all the time to innocent people in karachi,fata, sindh, punjab why should they care what happens to him?? solve the masses problems and you these things wont happen..




Brilliant Post!!!


The Pakistani people are Conservative with a capital C and then ONSERVATIVE in capitals as well.


The liberals on this thread are deluded, they think its a war between extremism and liberalism.

There is no such war because the Pakistani people wont support liberalism which goes against there way of life a liberalism which is supported and pushed by a beghairat haraami elite.

It is this elite which is pushing the nation, its politicians and military to wage war against its own people make the existing situation worse because they view themselves to be in a war against so called extremism so instead of doing smart things there hatred for any observant muslim forces them to lambaste them and attack them and force the politicians and military to attack them. Its always Mullah this and Mullah that from these people

The MAJORITY of the nation couldn't care less about this man, Not me, not my family, not any of my friends, not even anyone I know in Pakistan

The views and values of this man and the liberal elite in Pakistan are not the views of the amm admi in Pakistan


This is why when the liberal elite try to push there agenda and the aam admi rejects it they come out with B.S like our nation cant be fixed/ im depressed due to fundamentalism


Fundamentalism & liberalism are two sides of the same shitty coin
 
^ Thats so low man! What has her daugher got to with this thread? Honestly!

It atleast shows how far away these liberal secular types are from the views and thoughts of the Pakistani people, who they force themselves on as Politicians
 
It atleast shows how far away these liberal secular types are from the views and thoughts of the Pakistani people, who they force themselves on as Politicians

Whole point of that video was to show how far away from common man these politicians are.
 
brilliant post!!!


The pakistani people are conservative with a capital c and then onservative in capitals as well.


The liberals on this thread are deluded, they think its a war between extremism and liberalism.

There is no such war because the pakistani people wont support liberalism which goes against there way of life a liberalism which is supported and pushed by a beghairat haraami elite.

It is this elite which is pushing the nation, its politicians and military to wage war against its own people make the existing situation worse because they view themselves to be in a war against so called extremism so instead of doing smart things there hatred for any observant muslim forces them to lambaste them and attack them and force the politicians and military to attack them. Its always mullah this and mullah that from these people

the majority of the nation couldn't care less about this man, not me, not my family, not any of my friends, not even anyone i know in pakistan

the views and values of this man and the liberal elite in pakistan are not the views of the amm admi in pakistan


this is why when the liberal elite try to push there agenda and the aam admi rejects it they come out with b.s like our nation cant be fixed/ im depressed due to fundamentalism


fundamentalism & liberalism are two sides of the same shitty coin

potw.
 
It atleast shows how far away these liberal secular types are from the views and thoughts of the Pakistani people, who they force themselves on as Politicians

You guys need to get your heads out of ghettos of UK and realise that Pakistan is not some bloody cave. You may have the ultra conservatives communities but at the same time you have the big secular and liberal hubs. We are talking about a daughter of rich politican, I suggest you go to normal upper class areas of Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi and witness the lifestyle of folks without any privileged background.

Do not confuse secularism of middle class Pakistani with a corruption of your ultra rich politicans.

Some of you living in the West have no clue about complexities and layering of Pakistani society.
 
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Whole point of that video was to show how far away from common man these politicians are.

In Pakistan, any common man with money to blow is so far away from you next common man. Politicans are not some exlusive and isolated example.
 
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^MC - Co-sign.

UK has too many uneducated Ghettoes in general.

2nd gen Pak brethren largely live in such ghettoes.. I hate hating, just stating.

Even though Pak society is layered along class, religion(sects) provinces and wealth, its the largely secular Middle class thats getting unfairly grouped with the Zardaris, Sharifs etc etc

oh and...

Jinnah and Iqbal were ultra right-wing Maulvis preaching Saudi based Sharia weren't they? LOL

That daughter issue is mute and gutter politics;
So she ain't religious;

You think its the liberal elite children that use 12am-6am TAWKShawk and Facebook to link "Unislamically" when Ammi Abba aren't watching?

Is it the liberal elite that routinely oppress women everyday across Pak, denying them financial independence just because Maududi and co said so?

Is it the liberal elite that fuel hatred?

If you want to bash the ruling elite for corruption and hypocrisy then do so; But glass houses maaan, glass houses.


She's lost her father and ppl see it fit to judge her and her father based on her living her life the way she wants? Is she hurting You or anyone else?

Same crap is dragged up about the UK Raised Bilawal; Its just Strawman arguments rapped in moralistic jealousy...
 
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^ Good points.

Between the Arabic speaking extremists and English speaking liberals, you have the culturally conservative and ideologically secular Pakistanis, who don't want the burqa nor the mini skirts. You know what I mean. Extremists from both ends think they have the license to speak for that group, but they have no clue. I can't believe when I think how everyday I see more burqa's and hijabs in UK, then I'd seen in Lahore and somehow people living in the West see couple of youtube vidoes on politicans' kids wearing Western clothes and think they are only ones who wear such clothes or lead such lifestyle, otherwise 99% of the Pakistanis are cavemen demanding Saudi style sharia law.

People crying shock horror over dressing of Salman Taseer's daughter probably haven't seen enough of Pakistan.
 
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People crying shock horror over dressing of Salman Taseer's daughter probably haven't seen enough of Pakistan.

I'd venture many are hiding repressed attraction to or envy of that particular lifestyle...

^ Yep, its the centreground in Pak.

But MC, I don't mind the full Hijab... No-one in the UK at least, has the right to say what you can wear..

Plus the full Niqab has its immense benefits in Pakistans conservative society.. The compulsory implementation of such an interpretation is whats frightening.

Seriously, look at the US to see a richer Mirror image of Pakistani Right wing "Religious" ppl...

People need to to start rising up about food, water , health, education, jobs etc... All that energy wasted on interpretations of subjective views on a specific aspec of religion.

only shining example of secularism and liberalism,

And thats why Maududis children are so mis-formed its hilarious.

Benjamin Franklin had a copy of the Quran which he read... Indeed it was the Islamic East that first recognized and congratulated the Secular formation of the US.

And I'm not a staunch secularist when it comes to Pakistan.. But the debate about Law is too reliant on one sects interpretation of "Islamic Law"...
 
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There is no need to drag Salman Taseer's family into this.

As I stated earlier, I dont care about how his daughter dresses, how his son partied etc etc.

My concerns are that he was a corrupt individual. That's it.
 
I'd venture many are hiding repressed attraction to or envy of that particular lifestyle...

^ Yep, its the centreground in Pak.

But MC, I don't mind the full Hijab... No-one in the UK at least, has the right to say what you can wear..

Plus the full Niqab has its immense benefits in Pakistans conservative society.. The compulsory implementation of such an interpretation is whats frightening.

Seriously, look at the US to see a richer Mirror image of Pakistani Right wing "Religious" ppl...

People need to to start rising up about food, water , health, education, jobs etc... All that energy wasted on interpretations of subjective views on a specific aspec of religion.

only shining example of secularism and liberalism,

And thats why Maududis children are so mis-formed its hilarious.

Benjamin Franklin had a copy of the Quran which he read... Indeed it was the Islamic East that first recognized and congratulated the Secular formation of the US.

And I'm not a staunch secularist when it comes to Pakistan.. But the debate about Law is too reliant on one sects interpretation of "Islamic Law"...

Its ignorance. From my box house in UK and the Pakistanis I knew, I used to think Pakistan is some twin state of Afghanistan, thanks to little bit of travelling and social interaction, I discovered the California within that oh so ultra conservative state. Pathetic to see people playing gutter politics by highlighting Taseer's family's ultra lavish lifetyle and concluding Pakistani don't know or need secularism (ah yeah right, women in Pakistan love their shalwar kameez so much to wear those Arabic Abayas and Hijabs) my experinece suggest Pakistanis back home are more secular (the educated and the financially stable masses certainly) than Pakistanis in the UK. I find it so insulting people sitting in the West preaching Pakistanis don't need secularism....err they certainly don't wnt your idea of conservatism either.
 
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This thread is fast veering towards the pathetic. Sometimes I wish there wasn't a TimePass section on PP so I would get disappointed by some of the posters less often.

I mean, seriously - you're going to post videos of the liberal lifestyles of him and his family? What's next - justifying the cold-blooded murder of any woman whose sleeves aren't long enough or any man whose shalwar because they were too far from the proverbial common man? Disgusting.

Also, mr waqar_ahmed, can you please elaborate on this very thoughtful accusation:
It doesnt matter if he stinks of crap that he has collected throughout his political career

What crap?
 
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Its ignorance. From my box house in UK and the Pakistanis I knew, I used to think Pakistan is some twin state of Afghanistan, thanks to little bit of travelling and social interaction, I discovered the California within that oh so ultra conservative state. Pathetic to see people playing gutter politics by highlighting Taseer's family's ultra lavish lifetyle and concluding Pakistani don't know or need secularism (ah yeah right, women in Pakistan love their shalwar kameez so much to wear those Arabic Abayas and Hijabs) my experinece suggest Pakistanis back home are more secular (the educated and the financially stable masses certainly) than Pakistanis in the UK. I find it so insulting people sitting in the West preaching Pakistanis don't need secularism....err they certainly don't wnt your idea of conservatism either.

Roughly how many people you think that is out of a country of 170+ million.
 
The targeting of his daughter is such a dirty ploy.

What a disgrace.

exactly. and i dont see any wrong with the pics of salman's daughter in this video even if people have problem with dresses of salman taseer's daughter, they should look at their own women's wardrobe and give opinions about them on internet first. why do people take private pics and put them on internet is beyond my understanding.
 
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Whole point of that video was to show how far away from common man these politicians are.

Is this the same common man who can't get enough of Indian movies in the same country where Mathira has the most-watched late-night entertainment show on television and where every fifth ringtone is a pleasant reminder of the Munni Badnaam Hui video? We are a nation of hypocrites - spare me the self-righteousness.

Btw, if you had looked at that Qadri fan page on Facebook while it was still up and bothered to look at the other Likes of his fervent admirers, you would think that Justin Bieber, Desperate Housewives and Akon were the cause of religious extremism in this country.
 
Roughly how many people you think that is out of a country of 170+ million.

That was opinion based on my personal experience and observation, not trying to sell any stats or research.

Considering the lack of education and poverty and everything else, I'd say not many I'm afraid.
 
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This thread is fast veering towards the pathetic. Sometimes I wish there wasn't a TimePass section on PP so I would get disappointed by some of the posters less often.

I mean, seriously - you're going to post videos of the liberal lifestyles of him and his family? What's next - justifying the cold-blooded murder of any woman whose sleeves aren't long enough or any man whose shalwar because they were too far from the proverbial common man? Disgusting.

Also, mr waqar_ahmed, can you please elaborate on this very thoughtful accusation:


What crap?

dont even talk about traditonal mullas. once i was passing by some street in juma prayer time in pakistan, i heard a molana on loud speaker talking about somebody saying "Mr Abc itna shareef aur neik insaan hai kay sari umar us nay shalwar takhno say neechay nehin ki" and i was like, What???
 
you would think that Justin Bieber, Desperate Housewives and Akon were the cause of religious extremism in this country.

Oh, but they are...

Kill the Konvict Babydoll...
 
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