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Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Murali Vijay, Cheteswar Pujara, KL Rahul, Shikhar Dhawan.
 
In a world where Sachin and Dravid, India's two best bats, are 10s...

Dhawan - 6
Vijay - 7.5
Rahul - 8
Pujara - 7.5
Kohli - 8
Rahane - 8
Rohit - 7
 
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Past Indian batsmen

Sehwag - 8.5
Gambhir - 7.5
Laxman - 8.5
Ganguly - 7.5
Dhoni - 6.5
Yuvraj - 6
Raina - 5

Agan using Sachin and Dravid as the metric (imagining both as 10s)
 
I have a feeling Rahul is gonna be the biggest superstar of the Indian test lineup.

Already he is outperforming the others with ease. Less sample set but then he has a fearsome reputation in domestic circles.

As of now, the ranking is as follows:

Rahane
Vijay
Kohli
Pujara
Rest
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
I have a feeling Rahul is gonna be the biggest superstar of the Indian test lineup.

Already he is outperforming the others with ease. Less sample set but then he has a fearsome reputation in domestic circles.

As of now, the ranking is as follows:

Rahane
Vijay
Kohli
Pujara
Rest
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Rahul is quality. Even as a Pakistan fan he is an exciting prospect. Who do you think should be India's number 3? That's your current dilemma and the problem is VK looks a better number 4 and Pujara has regressed big time to be considered for that spot.
 
yasir_shah said:
Rahul is quality. Even as a Pakistan fan he is an exciting prospect. Who do you think should be India's number 3? That's your current dilemma and the problem is VK looks a better number 4 and Pujara has regressed big time to be considered for that spot.
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For now Pujara. No other option.

Maybe down the road, we can bring in someone like Karun nair or someone else to the middle order.

For now, we have to wait for Rohit to fail before booting him out. Dunno what sort of embarrassment we would have to face if he fails in crucial moments in tests but it is what it is. Till he fails, no one will even be called up.
 
Rahane 8/10
Kohli 7.5/10
Vijay 7/10( a good batsmen but let's not forget he is in 30s now and still not someone who is a prolific run scorer)
Pujara 7/10
Dhawan 6/10

Rahul is too young to be rated but he has lots of potential.

And thanks for not mentioning Rohit's name in the list as my "minus " button is not working.
 
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Virat Kohli - 7.5/10
Rahane - 8/10
Murali Vijay - 7/10
Pujara - 5/10
Rohit - 4/10
Dhawan - 4/10
KL - 5/10
 
So many rating Vijay lower than Kohli. That's what hype does. This is test batting we are talking about...
 
Ind_Yeah said:
So many rating Vijay lower than Kohli. That's what hype does. This is test batting we are talking about...
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Vijay is all rounded test batsmen but not as prolific as Kohli is and he is in his 30s. These are peak days of Vijay while kohli's peak days are yet to come ( and I'm not overhyping him here and making claims like he will start averaging 60+ from now or so on) but Kohli will certainly outperform Vijay in longer run.Vijay wasn't that good in his mid or low 20s.
 
Ind_Yeah said:
So many rating Vijay lower than Kohli. That's what hype does. This is test batting we are talking about...
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Cos effectiveness is an under-rated trait.

Cricinfo stats won't show it so quick stat checking will lead to erroneous results. ;-)

But to be fair to Kohli, he is far more talented than Vijay even in tests which is why I guess many are rating him higher (which shouldn't be done for a performance comparison imo).
 
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I earmarked Rahul to be a big hit in 2014. He got a duck in his debut vs the Aussies and Indians and Pakistanis ganged up on me and said what are you thinking.

Yet here I stand today, my investment paid off in full and haters became believers. Kid is going places already.

Feel like a proud father right now :sree
 
Dhawan - 4.5
Vijay - 7.5
Rahul - 7
Pujara - 5.5
Kohli - 8
Rahane - 7.5
Rohit - 2
 
Dhawan is a hack, doesn't last more than a few overs on any lively pitch, lacks big scores
Vijay - hasn't made any big scores
Rahul - no major as such though but he hasn't achieved a lot really to be rated more than this
Pujara - Has lost the upper gear and not making anything more than 30-40 off 150 anymore
Kohli - Bit of a hit and miss at times, otherwise a pure matchwinner so gets the highest points from me
Rahane - Capitulates under pressure at times, also plays in the most comfortable position so has it easy there....should bat at 3 like Dravid and lead the batting rather than play at 5
Rohit - Pure tripe at the moment, has loads of potential to make big scores (has domestic triple hundred), has multiple gears but has zero willingness to grind it out there...total waste of talent...makes me furious
 
Rahane was the most comfortable batsman for us in English conditions yet he batted at 5. Not sure if he can open but he should at least always bat at 3. He has multiple gears and is most versatile when it comes to playing in different conditions.

KL Rahul
M Vijay
Rahane
Kohli (C)
Rohit (Kohli will play him)
Ashwin
Saha (WK)
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami
Ishant



There are still a few problems with this line up
1) On good days Jadeja+Bhuvi+Shami can hit 50-60 runs (20 per batsman)...therefore the first 7 must make at least 300 every innings...that's 40+ per batsman....not easy at all unless they really improve heir game (can't expect Ashwin, Saha and Rohit to average more than 30-33)
2) We really need left handers. This line up doesn't have any and I can't seem to fit in any one from the domestic who is a lefty....Faiz, Gambhir, Mukund? Nah, not good enough.
 
Kohli - 7
Rahane - 7.5
Dhawan - 5
Vijay - 7.5
Pujara - 5
Rahul - 6
Rohit - 2

Combined average score - 5.7
 
QalandarFan said:
Kohli - 7
Rahane - 7.5
Dhawan - 5
Vijay - 7.5
Pujara - 5
Rahul - 6
Rohit - 2

Combined average score - 5.7
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Rahul hasn't done much wrong to get a rating of 6. Kohli has a double century and a lot of very good centuries so should be at least at par with Rahane. I more or less agree with the rest.
 
Statsman said:
Rahul hasn't done much wrong to get a rating of 6. Kohli has a double century and a lot of very good centuries so should be at least at par with Rahane. I more or less agree with the rest.
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I've seen the other players but I only saw Rahul score that hundred against Zimbabwe in ODI. So I just gave him a 6 looking at the stats.
 
QalandarFan said:
I've seen the other players but I only saw Rahul score that hundred against Zimbabwe in ODI. So I just gave him a 6 looking at the stats.
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He has test centuries in Aus, WI and SL. This is his 3rd series and he is just 24.
 
Statsman said:
He has test centuries in Aus, WI and SL. This is his 3rd series and he is just 24.
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I know but there is a difference between watching a player bat and just looking at stats. I'm looking forward to the England and India series in November. So hopefully I'll get to watch him there and see how good of a player he is, I'm not saying he's a bad player but if I haven't seen him bat then I'm going to give him an average score.
 
[MENTION=68690]Statsman[/MENTION] Regarding Virat Kohli, he's one of my favorite players from India, but he needs to score some more runs in India. He has amazing potential and he's a guy that should be averaging 50 plus. He's done great so far, but he can do so much more with all his skill and potential.
 
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QalandarFan said:
[MENTION=68690]Statsman[/MENTION] Regarding Virat Kohli, he's one of my favorite players from India, but he needs to score some more runs in India. He has amazing potential and he's a guy that should be averaging 50 plus. He's done great so far, but he can do so much more with all his skill and potential.
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Hmmm, he needs to score more runs everywhere to be honest. We (cricket lovers, not only Indians) have a lot of expectations from him. Hopefully we can witness a pure match winner like Kohli translate his ODI class to test cricket. It will be sight to watch for all test cricket lovers.
 
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Vijay 9/10
Rahane 8/10
Pujara 7/10
LK Rahul 7/10
Dhawan 6/10
Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli 5/10
 
Bump..!!!

So much has changed since these rankings/ ratings.
 
Rahul is turning out to be the Rohit equivalent of the test team. So much potential, so much talent but gawd his inconsistency is starting to get on my nerves.

And its frustrating to see a techincally adept batsman like him get out bowled way too often and its been going on for quite sometime. So clearly something he hasn't fixed yet.
 
Virat Kohli 9
Ajinkya Rahane 9.5
Murali Vijay 7.5
Cheteswar Pujara 7.2
KL Rahul 8
Shikhar Dhawan 5.5
 
Kohli 8.5
Rahane 8.5
Vijay 8
Purajara 6.5 as of now he seems like HTB to me.
Rahul 7
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
For now Pujara. No other option.

Maybe down the road, we can bring in someone like Karun nair or someone else to the middle order.

For now, we have to wait for Rohit to fail before booting him out. Dunno what sort of embarrassment we would have to face if he fails in crucial moments in tests but it is what it is. Till he fails, no one will even be called up.
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I feel like Sharma is India's Asad Shafiq in Tests. Rarely performs but is there every single time you guys tour.
 
Rahane 8/10
Vijay 8/10
Kohli 7.5/10

Don't really rate or care about others. KL is a good prospect though.
 
Rahane: 9/10. - Only Indian player I've seen being consistent outside of Asia.
Vijay: 7.5/10. - Massively underrated. In fact, even I don't notice him doing too well even though he usually is.
Kohli: 6.5/10. - Hope I don't anger people here. I'm a huge VK fan myself but I feel as though we can't form an opinion over his performances in the last year or even a couple of years. It could be a purple patch. I'll be sure it isn't if he performs in India's next tour outside of Asia.
Pujara: 6/10. - Seems like an FTB to if I were to be brutally honest but I'm still giving him a fairly high rating considering I love his technique and generally hear good things about him from other PP'ers.
Rohit Sharma: 2/10. - Deserves to be nowhere near the team. Especially when you have so many talented players waiting to get ONE game. E.g. Pant, Jadhav, KARUN NAIIR. He's had the opportunity but failed to avail it.
Lokesh Rahul: 7/10. - Very inconsistent but then again, what do we expect from players? Nobody scores 50's every single innings they walk out. There are two types of players who average 50 or in the late 40's. 1) who consistently get scores of 40's, 50's, 60's and the occasionally 100. And 2) who get a big hundred every 4-5 innings.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Rahane: 9/10. - Only Indian player I've seen being consistent outside of Asia.
Vijay: 7.5/10. - Massively underrated. In fact, even I don't notice him doing too well even though he usually is.
Kohli: 6.5/10. - Hope I don't anger people here. I'm a huge VK fan myself but I feel as though we can't form an opinion over his performances in the last year or even a couple of years. It could be a purple patch. I'll be sure it isn't if he performs in India's next tour outside of Asia.
Pujara: 6/10. - Seems like an FTB to if I were to be brutally honest but I'm still giving him a fairly high rating considering I love his technique and generally hear good things about him from other PP'ers.
Rohit Sharma: 2/10. - Deserves to be nowhere near the team. Especially when you have so many talented players waiting to get ONE game. E.g. Pant, Jadhav, KARUN NAIIR. He's had the opportunity but failed to avail it.
Lokesh Rahul: 7/10. - Very inconsistent but then again, what do we expect from players? Nobody scores 50's every single innings they walk out. There are two types of players who average 50 or in the late 40's. 1) who consistently get scores of 40's, 50's, 60's and the occasionally 100. And 2) who get a big hundred every 4-5 innings.
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Kohli has outperformed Rahane in every overseas tour except one.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Rahane: 9/10. - Only Indian player I've seen being consistent outside of Asia.
Vijay: 7.5/10. - Massively underrated. In fact, even I don't notice him doing too well even though he usually is.
Kohli: 6.5/10. - Hope I don't anger people here. I'm a huge VK fan myself but I feel as though we can't form an opinion over his performances in the last year or even a couple of years. It could be a purple patch. I'll be sure it isn't if he performs in India's next tour outside of Asia.
Pujara: 6/10. - Seems like an FTB to if I were to be brutally honest but I'm still giving him a fairly high rating considering I love his technique and generally hear good things about him from other PP'ers.
Rohit Sharma: 2/10. - Deserves to be nowhere near the team. Especially when you have so many talented players waiting to get ONE game. E.g. Pant, Jadhav, KARUN NAIIR. He's had the opportunity but failed to avail it.
Lokesh Rahul: 7/10. - Very inconsistent but then again, what do we expect from players? Nobody scores 50's every single innings they walk out. There are two types of players who average 50 or in the late 40's. 1) who consistently get scores of 40's, 50's, 60's and the occasionally 100. And 2) who get a big hundred every 4-5 innings.
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I Never understood why the benchmark for Rating Kohli suddenly shoots up to Bradman! Kohli's avg in the last year is higher than the grade point you have given to him out of 10 (if scaled down to 10). Maybe you are waiting for him to score 10k runs in Test cricket to give him an extra point.
 
Rahul = 6/10
Vijay = 8/10
Pujara = 7/10
Kohli = 9/10
Rahane = 9/10

Dhawan = 5/10
Rohit = 4/10

For reference:

Sehwag = 7/10
Gambhir = 6/10
Dravid = 9/10
Tendulkar = 10/10
Laxman = 7/10
Ganguly = 6/10
Dhoni = 4/10
 
Tekcirc said:
I Never understood why the benchmark for Rating Kohli suddenly shoots up to Bradman! Kohli's avg in the last year is higher than the grade point you have given to him out of 10 (if scaled down to 10). Maybe you are waiting for him to score 10k runs in Test cricket to give him an extra point.
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Maybe. Haha, no man, just kidding. I really like VK but I want to hold back that one point for a couple of notable performances outside Asia. He's had one, just needs one more to establish himself as a great Test player.

Bairstow had a great couple of years with the bat but that doesn't mean we start counting him with the greats, yet I'm ready to give Kohli that leverage too but a couple of notable performances don't let him get the cut for me.
 
Sachin136 said:
Kohli has outperformed Rahane in every overseas tour except one.
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Interesting fact. I didn't know that but I feel Rahane has performed when it mattered more. I would take Rahane over Kohli in tests, at least for now. I may be wrong because in all honesty I did not follow Indian cricket very religiously for the last couple of years but this is just my opinion.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Interesting fact. I didn't know that but I feel Rahane has performed when it mattered more. I would take Rahane over Kohli in tests, at least for now. I may be wrong because in all honesty I did not follow Indian cricket very religiously for the last couple of years but this is just my opinion.
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Kohli is compared with ATG, while others are not! Its like being average in class of geniuses. You are still a genius but people just see that you are average in your class.
 
Tekcirc said:
Kohli is compared with ATG, while others are not! Its like being average in class of geniuses. You are still a genius but people just see that you are average in your class.
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Not anywhere near a Test ATG for me. Sorry to pop your bubble.
 
My God why is Rahane getting rated so high?

You might think he is some ATG looking at these ratings.

Still can't play proper spin. Non-impactful player in Asia.

Heard he was scratching around a bit even today. :facepalm:
 
Varun said:
Rahul = 6/10
Vijay = 8/10
Pujara = 7/10
Kohli = 9/10
Rahane = 9/10

Dhawan = 5/10
Rohit = 4/10

For reference:

Sehwag = 7/10
Gambhir = 6/10
Dravid = 9/10
Tendulkar = 10/10
Laxman = 7/10
Ganguly = 6/10
Dhoni = 4/10
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Thoughtful ratings but dont kow why Ganguly is rated so low and Dhoni is better in tests as a batsman than Dhawan imo...
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
My God why is Rahane getting rated so high?

You might think he is some ATG looking at these ratings.

Still can't play proper spin. Non-impactful player in Asia.

Heard he was scratching around a bit even today. :facepalm:
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Sif u were mentioning previously that kl rahul is the next big star in indian cricket. He is hit and miss till now. I thought he has turned a corner from those all or nothing performances but he has not. I think he is weak mentally amd plays too many cute and expansive shots for an opener. He doesnt take time to settle at least and then go for his shots. I am afraid aus series will be his last and if he didn't make scores in atleast half of those then he will be in big trouble
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
My God why is Rahane getting rated so high?

You might think he is some ATG looking at these ratings.

Still can't play proper spin. Non-impactful player in Asia.

Heard he was scratching around a bit even today. :facepalm:
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He cannot maneuver against spin. He can defend well but his scoring shots are risky like he tries to cut and plays mostly on the back foot for runscoring and on front foot he defends only and doesnt have many scoring options so gets bogged down too easily
 
I thought that kohli like rahane is also poor against spin and he doesnt have much defensive game against spin but i was very very impressed with his defensive game against eng particularly and i neverthought he had the game to survive spin but he proved me wrong big time
 
Kohli =8.5
Rahane =8 mostly for his outside exploits but i m not sold on his game in subcontinent
Vijay =7.5
Pujara=7
Rahul =5 don't know which rahul is going to appear in each game. He cannot sustain his good form for more than 1 innings
Rohit =4 too generous i think
Dhoni=4 below average
Parthiv =6 easily for his batting
 
Rahane has a century in Lanka.
A 98 in BD, 2 centuries vs SA (dead rubber but the only player to score a ton in that series.Plus that particular test was the most competive of all 4), 70 odd (very important knock) and 188 (dead rubber) New Zealand.Yes he failed vs England but he was out of form getting out to both spinners and fast bowlers.No one denies he has slight issues against off spinners but it is more so because of lack of application than anything else as all the above mentioned knocks in a relatively small sample size prove.Also we will not be getting rank turners like Nagpur and Mohali quite often and pitches like the one at Delhi will be the norm.So yeah he has and will definitely have impact in Asia.
 
[MENTION=142737]Drreddymd[/MENTION] plz read the post before replying.The poster "heard" rahane was scratching around today.Rahane didn't struggle one bit in the 60 balls he faced.am i clear to you now
 
Kohli - 9. He is in beastly form. Expect him to convert the 100 into double or even triple tomorrow.

Rahane - 8.25. Isn't as good as Kohli and Pujara when it comes to spin but he still scores runs somehow at home and we all know his performances in overseas.

Pujara - 8. I would give him 10/10 in Asia. Statistically, the best player EVER in Asia. Just needs to improve his average outside Asia in his next stint of overseas tours.

Vijay - 7.5. Should be more consistent for a player of his calibre. Should target high 40s average by the end of his career.

Rahul - 7. A bit inconsistent though early days still. And people who are calling for his head, come one he he has just played like 10 test matches. Will definitely improve with time.

Rohit - 6. Was good vs New Zealand series.

Ashwin - 6. Clutch player.
 
Titan of Technique said:
Rahane has a century in Lanka.
A 98 in BD, 2 centuries vs SA (dead rubber but the only player to score a ton in that series.Plus that particular test was the most competive of all 4), 70 odd (very important knock) and 188 (dead rubber) New Zealand.Yes he failed vs England but he was out of form getting out to both spinners and fast bowlers.No one denies he has slight issues against off spinners but it is more so because of lack of application than anything else as all the above mentioned knocks in a relatively small sample size prove.Also we will not be getting rank turners like Nagpur and Mohali quite often and pitches like the one at Delhi will be the norm.So yeah he has and will definitely have impact in Asia.
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Sir he like rahul goes missing other than one good knock in a series. He was terrible in sa series as well untill the final test and in sl other than that hundred he didnt cross fifty.
In his debut he looked like a tail ender
 
Titan of Technique said:
[MENTION=142737]Drreddymd[/MENTION] plz read the post before replying.The poster "heard" rahane was scratching around today.Rahane didn't struggle one bit in the 60 balls he faced.am i clear to you now
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Sir i have seen his innings. He was 9 in his first 30 balls. He didnt rotate the strike but he was not uncomfortable like his previous innings
 
ExpressPacer said:
Not anywhere near a Test ATG for me. Sorry to pop your bubble.
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I never said he is an ATG in Tests! I am just saying that benchmarks for Kohli are set way too high compared to his contemporaries. Try to understand my point before popping my bubble! :)
 
Drreddymd said:
Sif u were mentioning previously that kl rahul is the next big star in indian cricket. He is hit and miss till now. I thought he has turned a corner from those all or nothing performances but he has not. I think he is weak mentally amd plays too many cute and expansive shots for an opener. He doesnt take time to settle at least and then go for his shots. I am afraid aus series will be his last and if he didn't make scores in atleast half of those then he will be in big trouble
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KL Rahul has ability but he has time and again shown a lack of temperament. Added to that, he plays way too many high risk shots in the name of "domination".

If he doesn't realize his mistakes and take corrective action, I see him getting dropped in the near future and that's not a bad thing at all. Sometimes you need some jolts to get your head straight. The drop could be the best thing to happen to him which would make him improve as a player.

For now, he will be persisted with but people are losing their patience with him.

Its mind boggling how someone with skills can risk their career by intentionally playing like this.

Drreddymd said:
He cannot maneuver against spin. He can defend well but his scoring shots are risky like he tries to
cut and plays mostly on the back foot for runscoring and on front foot he defends only and doesnt have many scoring options so gets bogged down too easily
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I have watched him play spin from the start of his international test career.

He is simply poor against spin.

Doesn't get to the pitch of the ball (which is ok outside Asia cos the ball won't turn much but in Asia it will turn and take the edge).

Can't maneuver the ball properly too as you mentioned.
 
If Rahane didn't scratch around, fair enough.

That's what I heard or maybe that's what I understood.

I stand corrected.
 
Kohli - 7.5
India's best batsman atm but far from being the complete product(world class, no doubt). Next set of away tours will tell us which way he goes - ATG or just an Indian great (in tests). Most complete of the lot, can play on pacy and bouncy pitches, on spinning wickets, on day 1 and day 5 alike - needs to perform in England.

Rahane - 6.5
Was elated watching him play away from home, mainly because I wasn't expecting India to find someone so good. But has looked poor on slow and turning pitches for quite sometime now. Need to show improvement asap. Also, when in good form, needs to be consistent.

Murli Vijay - 6
Lovely batsman on day 1 of a test. Lacks hunger for big scores though, happy with just the three figure mark. Consistency has been an issue.

Pujara - 6
Huge disappointment on away tours. Bradman-esque at home (in team's first inning at home), needs to convert 100s into big hundreds more often though and tighten up when it really turns and on bouncy pitches.

Ashwin - 6
Couldn't ask for more from your number 7/6 than what Ashwin does.

Saha - 6.5
Started slow with bat but improving now, brilliant with the gloves. Can bat, has made important contributions lower down the order in WI and against NZ.

Rohit - (-10)
Why does he even exist?
 
ExpressPacer said:
Maybe. Haha, no man, just kidding. I really like VK but I want to hold back that one point for a couple of notable performances outside Asia. He's had one, just needs one more to establish himself as a great Test player.

Bairstow had a great couple of years with the bat but that doesn't mean we start counting him with the greats, yet I'm ready to give Kohli that leverage too but a couple of notable performances don't let him get the cut for me.
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He has one major misfire in England and people can't seem to get over it

Has scored well in literally all other places.avg of 60+ in Aus, SA And NZ in total of 12 tests with 7 centuries. not listing WI double and SL here. But yeah just a couple of performances, Maths simply gets thrown out of the window!
 
If Ashwin bats at 6, he should do more.

Likes to score those 30s to 70s and gets out. Gets a start almost every game and yet doesn't make it count. In the recent Eng series, he missed out on 3 chances to score centuries (71, 70 and 67). This is excluding the 58 he made in another game. If you don't make it count when you are in form, then your numbers take a steep fall when you go out of form.

If he bats at number 7 or 8, what he does is more than enough.
 
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Yes in his debut he looked like a tailender.Dhawan in his debut looked like Lara.Guess where Dhawan is right now ? Give him a break man...it was his debut for gods sake.Agreed he is inconsistent and that is where he needs to work on.Technical issues are minor.
 
Ankit007 said:
Thoughtful ratings but dont kow why Ganguly is rated so low and Dhoni is better in tests as a batsman than Dhawan imo...
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Ganguly's stronger suit was the ODI game. He never reached the heights in test cricket as his teammates did, albeit he was a terrific captain which made up for his (slight) shortcomings on the batting front.

Dhawan is similar in that ODIs are where he blossoms. Why is he below Dhoni? Because three or four flashy innings aside, his test cupboard is bare. Dhoni held his own as a wicket-keeper batsman across a decade's worth in conditions around the world, though he never quite inspired confidence in me and several others when he walked out to take strike in a test match - whatever the situation.
 
Titan of Technique said:
Yes in his debut he looked like a tailender.Dhawan in his debut looked like Lara.Guess where Dhawan is right now ? Give him a break man...it was his debut for gods sake.Agreed he is inconsistent and that is where he needs to work on.Technical issues are minor.
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Before this season i actually thought rahane is a better test player than kohli based on his very good outside performances but kohli improved massively and rahane for a player averaging 65 in ranji cricket he is very poor against spin
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
If Ashwin bats at 6, he should do more.

Likes to score those 30s to 70s and gets out. Gets a start almost every game and yet doesn't make it count. In the recent Eng series, he missed out on 3 chances to score centuries (71, 70 and 67). This is excluding the 58 he made in another game. If you don't make it count when you are in form, then your numbers take a steep fall when you go out of form.

If he bats at number 7 or 8, what he does is more than enough.
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Hi

Just for some insight:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/26421.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Average of 55 in 6 innings at no.6, of 36 in 9 innings at no.7 and of 32 in 37 innings at no.8.

Think he has done fine.
 
Princejain191 said:
Hi

Just for some insight:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/26421.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Average of 55 in 6 innings at no.6, of 36 in 9 innings at no.7 and of 32 in 37 innings at no.8.

Think he has done fine.
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I get your point.

I know Ashwin's stats at number 6 very well.

One of the major reasons for that average of 55 at number 6 is that both his 100s in WI were possible cos he got a life at 35 runs (one was a simple drop catch by keeper and another was a no ball dismissal). Of course, that's not Ashwin's fault and both knocks were clutch but you can see the same issues playing out even there.

As I have said multiple times in the past, Ashwin's hit to flop ratio in tests is on par with the best bats in the world. But sadly he doesn't make it count which affects his average. Still super valuable for us but he can do so much more.

Case in point, in the recent England series, Kohli had 1 failure with the bat. Ash had 2 failures with the bat. Kohli's average was 100. Ashwin's average was 43.

Has a lot of scope for improvement.

Especially if he has to play for India at 6.

And don't forget, these are his averages when he had GOOD series with the bat.
 
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^He has done very well with the bat.

I am talking about him solving certain issues when he bats at number 6.

A number 6 must be able to carry on.
 
Tekcirc said:
I never said he is an ATG in Tests! I am just saying that benchmarks for Kohli are set way too high compared to his contemporaries. Try to understand my point before popping my bubble! :)
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Who are his contemporaries? If you're speaking of Root, KW and Smith then let me assure you, there is no confusion in the fact that they are ahead of him while Smith is in a league of his own.
 
- Vijay: 6.5
- Rahul: 4
- Pujara: 6.5
- Kohli: 6.5
- Rahane: 6.5

Compared to:

- Sehwag: 7
- Gambhir: 6
- Dravid: 9
- Sachin: 9.5
- VVS: 7.5

I feel Rahane and Pujara will end up as 7.5s, Vijay will stay a 6.5 and Kohli will get to 8.
 
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ExpressPacer said:
Who are his contemporaries? If you're speaking of Root, KW and Smith then let me assure you, there is no confusion in the fact that they are ahead of him while Smith is in a league of his own.
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Rahane: 9/10. - Only Indian player I've seen being consistent outside of Asia. Vijay: 7.5/10. - Massively underrated. In fact, even I don't notice him doing too well even though he usually is. Kohli: 6.5/10. - Hope I don't anger people here. I'm a huge VK fan myself but I feel as though we can't form an opinion over his performances in the last year or even a couple of years. It could be a purple patch. I'll be sure it isn't if he performs in India's next tour outside of Asia. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...smen-in-Tests-out-of-10&p=9092660#post9092660
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Something from your own posts!! Your posts lack consistency because your perspective is very skewed.

Facts disagree with your rating, ICC rankings disagree there. But you can feel free to pop my bubble with another unrelated argument while dumping your initial one!!
 
Tekcirc said:
Something from your own posts!! Your posts lack consistency because your perspective is very skewed.

Facts disagree with your rating, ICC rankings disagree there. But you can feel free to pop my bubble with another unrelated argument while dumping your initial one!!
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Oh, you were speaking of fellow Indian players.

Let me make myself clear, I don't hold the ICC rankings very highly and like I've mentioned before, this is my opinion. If you don't like it or if it "pop's your bubble", read it and move on. I like VK very much but he doesn't cut it for being a great batsmen on the basis of performances over the course of a couple of years.
As for facts disagreeing with my statements, please be so kind and show me these facts with a bigger sample size.

I rate him very highly and I expect him to go out as an ATG cricketer in all formats but for now, he is what he is. Some performances on flat pitches against not so good bowlers doesn't impress me. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Who are his contemporaries? If you're speaking of Root, KW and Smith then let me assure you, there is no confusion in the fact that they are ahead of him while Smith is in a league of his own.
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Root has scored literally all his hundreds (8 out of 11) in England!! Guess, home ground advantage only works for Indians. Failure in Australia.

But... Naaah .. Root would still be better ! Because Kohli is Indian.

Williamson had one blindingly good one year, had an ordinary 2016 but he is ahead, for Kohli its just a purple patch!!
 
ExpressPacer said:
Oh, you were speaking of fellow Indian players.

Let me make myself clear, I don't hold the ICC rankings very highly and like I've mentioned before, this is my opinion. If you don't like it or if it "pop's your bubble", read it and move on. I like VK very much but he doesn't cut it for being a great batsmen on the basis of performances over the course of a couple of years.
As for facts disagreeing with my statements, please be so kind and show me these facts with a bigger sample size.

I rate him very highly and I expect him to go out as an ATG cricketer in all formats but for now, he is what he is. Some performances on flat pitches against not so good bowlers doesn't impress me. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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Dude, you rated him far lower than Indian players. You forget your own posts!!

As for saying Williamson and Root are ahead of him .. again check up on the facts!
 
Tekcirc said:
Dude, you rated him far lower than Indian players. You forget your own posts!!

As for saying Williamson and Root are ahead of him .. again check up on the facts!
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I did. But what has that got to do with anything? I rated him lower than only 2 players and that too by not a huge difference. I PERSONALLY (solely my opinion) feel he's performed very well but only second to Rahane and Vijal outside Asia.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Who are his contemporaries? If you're speaking of Root, KW and Smith then let me assure you, there is no confusion in the fact that they are ahead of him while Smith is in a league of his own.
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According to who?

You keep talking about Kohli's performance outside Asia being lackluster, but what about Root and Williamson?

Kohli averages 49 with 7 centuries in Australia, England, NZ and SA. Root averages 44 with 2 centuries in Australia, India, NZ, UAE and SA. Williamson averages 39 with 5 centuries in Australia, India, England, UAE and SA.

ExpressPacer said:
I did. But what has that got to do with anything? I rated him lower than only 2 players and that too by not a huge difference. I PERSONALLY (solely my opinion) feel he's performed very well but only second to Rahane and Vijal outside Asia.
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I listed Kohli's performance above. Vijay averages 40 with 2 centuries in Australia, England, SA and NZ. Rahane averages 48, but with only 3 centuries compared to Kohli's 7.

Clearly, Kohli has performed better than Root, Williamson, Vijay, Rahane etc away from home.
 
Sachin136 said:
According to who?

You keep talking about Kohli's performance outside Asia being lackluster, but what about Root and Williamson?

Kohli averages 49 with 7 centuries in Australia, England, NZ and SA. Root averages 44 with 2 centuries in Australia, India, NZ, UAE and SA. Williamson averages 39 with 5 centuries in Australia, India, England, UAE and SA.



I listed Kohli's performance above. Vijay averages 40 with 2 centuries in Australia, England, SA and NZ. Rahane averages 48, but with only 3 centuries compared to Kohli's 7.

Clearly, Kohli has performed better than Root, Williamson, Vijay, Rahane etc away from home.
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Like I already said, this is my personal opinion. Barely any of those 7 hundreds (from the one's I've seen) have come in a pressure situation while most times Rahane and Vijay scored, India was struggling. Cricket isn't a game of statistics primarily.
 
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