"Ravi Ashwin is basically the Don Bradman of bowling" : Steve Waugh

[Buffet]

I think he mentioned MOS. That's consistency across multiple games

True, but MOS also follows the same logic as MOM when it comes to impact by batsman or bowler.

 

[rhony]

It's a close approximation. I am not too sure about it. But close enough if you want to compare.

Imagine a batsman scoring 67 tons and 22 double ton in them in the test format. That's what Murali did.

Murali's a freak. Warne too. Ashwin will probably end up 3rd and as the best spinner that India produced.

 

[Tekcirc]

So do we have any Asian batsmen with 22 tons with 7 double ton in them in 30 odd tests in Asia? Forget about YK, I doubt that there is any batting equivalent if we go by what you guys are coming as equivalent of Ashwin's performance by a batsman. I personally don't know if you can compare that way.

That puts him in Bradman category!

Murali is like Sachin if we use this analogy. Seems ok enough.

 

[msb314]

Babar- Yes; Haris- No; Shehzad- Are you kidding me; Azhar- In tests Yes. These days you have to perform in all formats though

Haris in ODI's can get there. Already has a great record and if he continues to do well for a few years - will easily be atleast a pakistani great. Shehzad also has time on his side to become a great.

I agree about performing in all formats but most of our players are specialized by nature in certain formats e.g. Rizwan in LOI, Umar Akmal in LOI, Azhar in Tests, Shafiq in Tests, Yasir in Tests. Only very few players like Shehzad, Babar, Sarfraz, Wahab are likely to play in all formats.

 

[Chrish]

Not really, He is critical yes! But Jayant Yadav is decent back up.

Too damn long way to go!

 

[soso_killer]

Has there even ever been a "Bradman of bowling"? ie - someone who statistically towers - like an aberration - far ahead of the rest?

well there was this bowler who kept on taking 100 wickets a thousand deliveries quicker than the next guy.
And we're are not talking about 100 wickets here, it's actually 300 to 400 wickets. That should be the equivalence of 10 000 runs, No?

Anyhow to put into perspective how dominant this bowler has been, other great bowlers would have to play an extra 25/28 matches just to keep up.
Imagine a bowler taking 400 career wickets in just 80 matches (for example) and the next best in 108 matches. (Assuming all bowlers bowl a similar amount of overs a game).
That is utterly dominant in my opinion.

 

[soso_killer]

Murali's a freak. Warne too. Ashwin will probably end up 3rd and as the best spinner that India produced.

He'd have to surpass Swann first. Which will take some doing. Long way to go.

 

[Tekcirc]

Too damn long way to go!

Back ups always have a long way to go else they would walk right into the first XI.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Only bowler than can be called the Bradman of bowling is Glenn Mcgrath, also Ashwin wont break Murali's wicket tally no WAY. If Ashwin finishes his career with 500 test wickets it would be an amazing career...

 

[big_gamer007]

In favourable conditions he is a fantastic bowler.. If you consider both Jadeja and Ashwin in favourable conditions they both combined are bradmanesque for sure..

 

[Romali_rotti]

He'd have to surpass Swann first. Which will take some doing. Long way to go.

Yeah Graeme Swann, Ashwin has a loooonnnngggg 5 wickets to go lol..............

 

[Tekcirc]

Only bowler than can be called the Bradman of bowling is Glenn Mcgrath, also Ashwin wont break Murali's wicket tally no WAY. If Ashwin finishes his career with 500 test wickets it would be an amazing career...

I think Ashwin will play atleast 5 more years, around 50 tests, 500 shouldn't be hard.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ashwin is no way comparable to the great Murali as of now.

He has issues that he needs to sort out.

But in a pitch that aids consistent turn (doesn't have to be a rank turner or even a heavy turner), I would back Ash to match Warne and Murali pound for pound and maybe even outperform them in some instances. This guy is absolutely lethal when it spins. Threatens both edges of the bat equally and has so many options to pick wickets. Even in England series, whenever there was a bit of help, Ash was all over them.

Its the flatties where Murali and Warne are in a whole new level cos they can still spin the ball while Ash doesn't get the necessary turn.

 

[Drreddymd]

Ashwin is no way comparable to the great Murali as of now.

He has issues that he needs to sort out.

But in a pitch that aids consistent turn (doesn't have to be a rank turner or even a heavy turner), I would back Ash to match Warne and Murali pound for pound and maybe even outperform them in some instances. This guy is absolutely lethal when it spins. Threatens both edges of the bat equally and has so many options to pick wickets. Even in England series, whenever there was a bit of help, Ash was all over them.

Its the flatties where Murali and Warne are in a whole new level cos they can still spin the ball while Ash doesn't get the necessary turn.

Sif thats what i have been telling all along. In pitches that spin he is lethal but in pattas i will pick jaddu as ashwin is not a containing bowler

 

[Drreddymd]

I also think he is lethal Mostly against lefties and against rhb he is not that effective

 

[Hitman]

Only bowler than can be called the Bradman of bowling is Glenn Mcgrath, also Ashwin wont break Murali's wicket tally no WAY. If Ashwin finishes his career with 500 test wickets it would be an amazing career...

Absolutely. He was the master of all bowlers.

 

[SandyB]

Whats with the Aussies being so complimentary ? First it was Ponting . Now it's Steve Waugh for gods sake !

Where is McGrath with his " Australia 4-0 to anyone , anywhere" predictions ?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sif thats what i have been telling all along. In pitches that spin he is lethal but in pattas i will pick jaddu as ashwin is not a containing bowler

While Ash has some things to sort out, to say Ash can't contain on flat tracks is not exactly accurate.

His stats in the tour of Aus in 2014 don't do justice to how he bowled. He used to maintain economy of 2-3 while pacers used to leak at 4-5 rpo in the other end. Once bats got set, they started smashing all.

Also there is another aspect to be considered. His economy can be higher cos he tries to do stuff to prise out wickets.

I will give you an example. When Ashwin bowled his first over to Mushfiqur on Day 4, he tossed up 2 deliveries which were dispatched for a 4 and a 6. I commented then that those were perfectly fine deliveries which were played well.

Now Ashwin could have bowled the same flatter and prevented those shots BUT it was the 3 tossed up deliveries to Mushfiqur in the 2nd innings that got his wicket.

While there are times when Ashwin has been innocuous and unable to control run flow on pattas (which he needs to improve), I have also seen several instances when he would bowl deliveries good length which would be dead batted but instead of finishing the over as a maiden (which he could easily do), he would try tossing it more to create a mistake.

Its the willingness to go for wickets is why he has been able to become the bowler he is now. If he goes for a few runs in the process, that's not a big deal. Rather he learns how to prise out wickets on pattas than keep it tight. Jaddu is there for us to keep things tight and no one can do it better than him anyway.

Also for all the talk about flat tracks, Ashwin after the end of 4th test in England was the highest wicket taker with 26 scalps at 23 average. The next highest wicket taker was Rashid at 21-23 scalps and after that it was Jaddu I think at 15 scalps. This is after he had a horror Rajkot show and playing 2 tests on flat tracks that didn't even turn consistently on day 5. Only Mumbai turned. An unlucky Chennai 2nd innings spoiled his series stats a bit. In Hyderabad, Ash was underbowled in 2nd innings. A few more chances early on and he may have got the 5fer.

He can bowl in flatties but there is some amount of work to be done as he hasn't been that good in Chennai and Hyderabad 1st innings.

I also think he is lethal Mostly against lefties and against rhb he is not that effective

If you go by stats, then yes. Not that career average of 30 against righties (boosted by Aussie patta bashing by their righties) is ineffective at all.

If you go by recent performances, then no.

In WI, he bowled to a right hand dominated lineup and averaged 23.
Against NZ, he got better results against righties than lefties.
Against Eng, he was actually good against righties (got Hameed out twice, dropped catch in one game, got Root out twice, dropped catch twice in different innings, got Bairstow out 4 times in Mumbai 2nd innings due to dropped catches.....also he had him in Mohali Day 1 but dropped).

On flatties, he will find it hard against righties which is natural. Left armers bowling to left handers on a flatties with no rough will experience the same.

 

[Drreddymd]

While Ash has some things to sort out, to say Ash can't contain on flat tracks is not exactly accurate.

His stats in the tour of Aus in 2014 don't do justice to how he bowled. He used to maintain economy of 2-3 while pacers used to leak at 4-5 rpo in the other end. Once bats got set, they started smashing all.

Also there is another aspect to be considered. His economy can be higher cos he tries to do stuff to prise out wickets.

I will give you an example. When Ashwin bowled his first over to Mushfiqur on Day 4, he tossed up 2 deliveries which were dispatched for a 4 and a 6. I commented then that those were perfectly fine deliveries which were played well.

Now Ashwin could have bowled the same flatter and prevented those shots BUT it was the 3 tossed up deliveries to Mushfiqur in the 2nd innings that got his wicket.

While there are times when Ashwin has been innocuous and unable to control run flow on pattas (which he needs to improve), I have also seen several instances when he would bowl deliveries good length which would be dead batted but instead of finishing the over as a maiden (which he could easily do), he would try tossing it more to create a mistake.

Its the willingness to go for wickets is why he has been able to become the bowler he is now. If he goes for a few runs in the process, that's not a big deal. Rather he learns how to prise out wickets on pattas than keep it tight. Jaddu is there for us to keep things tight and no one can do it better than him anyway.

Also for all the talk about flat tracks, Ashwin after the end of 4th test in England was the highest wicket taker with 26 scalps at 23 average. The next highest wicket taker was Rashid at 21-23 scalps and after that it was Jaddu I think at 15 scalps. This is after he had a horror Rajkot show and playing 2 tests on flat tracks that didn't even turn consistently on day 5. Only Mumbai turned. An unlucky Chennai 2nd innings spoiled his series stats a bit. In Hyderabad, Ash was underbowled in 2nd innings. A few more chances early on and he may have got the 5fer.

He can bowl in flatties but there is some amount of work to be done as he hasn't been that good in Chennai and Hyderabad 1st innings.



If you go by stats, then yes. Not that career average of 30 against righties (boosted by Aussie patta bashing by their righties) is ineffective at all.

If you go by recent performances, then no.

In WI, he bowled to a right hand dominated lineup and averaged 23.
Against NZ, he got better results against righties than lefties.
Against Eng, he was actually good against righties (got Hameed out twice, dropped catch in one game, got Root out twice, dropped catch twice in different innings, got Bairstow out 4 times in Mumbai 2nd innings due to dropped catches.....also he had him in Mohali Day 1 but dropped).

On flatties, he will find it hard against righties which is natural. Left armers bowling to left handers on a flatties with no rough will experience the same.

Ok. I agree

 

[Tusker]

Younis doesn't have the ATG vibe, and his career is already pretty much over. On the other hand, Ashwin looks like a player who will be talked about for generations to come. Like Kohli, I expect him to conquer all challenges that come his way.

Fitness will be the key separator ..... Kohli being a batsman is far more fit than Ashwin. Unless Ashwin improves his fitness he wont last for more than 2-3 years.

But I hope Virat doesnt burn out.

 

[rhony]

He'd have to surpass Swann first. Which will take some doing. Long way to go.

He just needs 2 wickets to surpass Swann.

 

[rhony]

Fitness will be the key separator ..... Kohli being a batsman is far more fit than Ashwin. Unless Ashwin improves his fitness he wont last for more than 2-3 years.

But I hope Virat doesnt burn out.

People like Kohli don't burn out. They just have too many incentives. He can make a cool 150 to 200 mil USD in the next 10 years through endorsements. He's got the burning desire to improve himself and is a freak of nature. He hasn't achieved his ambitions yet- Winning tests abroad, Winning a ODI WC in his captaincy etc. Ashwin is fitter than his body suggests. Imagine bowling 50 overs in a test and batting for 15 to 20 overs. He seems to be coping well.

 

[Bilal7]

It's a close approximation. I am not too sure about it. But close enough if you want to compare.

Imagine a batsman scoring 67 tons and 22 double ton in them in the test format. That's what Murali did.

Cannot compare five-fors and 10-fers with centuries and doubles.

You happen to know that anything above 0 is run(s) ,right?

You are obviously not a very smart person if you keep making posts like this and definitely not worth my time. Younis Khan has centuries in Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa and averages 40+ in the first three. I leave you with this information, do with it as you must.

 

[SunRay]

He's an excellent bowler and currently the best spinner in the world without any doubt.


But we also need to keep in mind that he relies heavily on wickets and if the pitch offers significant amount of spin he becomes deadly.


But unlike Warne, murali and Swann to some extent he doesn't look threatening at all on flat surfaces.


We've all seen how he struggled against Bangla batsmen in the recently finished test match. When a bowler struggles against the batsmen of a no 9 team we can easily imagine how he'll perform on pitches of South Africa and Australia which r traditionally considered as spinners graveyard.

 

[Bilal7]

It's a close approximation. I am not too sure about it. But close enough if you want to compare.

Imagine a batsman scoring 67 tons and 22 double ton in them in the test format. That's what Murali did.

You happen to know that anything above 0 is run(s) ,right?

He just needs 2 wickets to surpass Swann.

Swann was a level above Ashwin. Don't kid yourself.

 

[rhony]

Swann was a level above Ashwin. Don't kid yourself.

He was until he quit midway in AUS when the chips were down without any succession plan. Ashwin picked the same number of wickets in 15 less tests and always takes responsibility- be it bowling or batting. It remains to be seen if he will be successful abroad next year and there is no reason why he wouldn't.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Lol, so a bowler about to join ATG ranks is inferior to Swann? This takes the cake.

 

[Drreddymd]

Lol, so a bowler about to join ATG ranks is inferior to Swann? This takes the cake.

He is inferior to the atg ajmal, swann, yasir, and any one u name against him according to bilal bhai.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Billoo's test ranking goes like Warne = Murali > Ajmal > Swann > Herath > Yasir > Ashwin > Jadeja

Anyways...I don't think Ashwin can be called comprehensively better than Swann yet. Sure, he is more lethal than Swann in favourable conditions but Swann did a LOT in England and was very good in SA too. Ash is yet to be tested.

I think Ash would likely overtake him in terms of stature eventually but right now, its more of a personal preference where arguments can be made for both players.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He's an excellent bowler and currently the best spinner in the world without any doubt.


But we also need to keep in mind that he relies heavily on wickets and if the pitch offers significant amount of spin he becomes deadly.


But unlike Warne, murali and Swann to some extent he doesn't look threatening at all on flat surfaces.


We've all seen how he struggled against Bangla batsmen in the recently finished test match. When a bowler struggles against the batsmen of a no 9 team we can easily imagine how he'll perform on pitches of South Africa and Australia which r traditionally considered as spinners graveyard.

Pitch is not defined based on just spin and no spin.

The pace of the pitch, grip, bounce - all matter.

The recent England series was the best example. English spinners & Jayant found it easier to perform in Vizag, Mohali where the ball didn't even turn properly on Day 5 compared to Mumbai where the ball turned from day 1. Even the Indian spin duo went for a lot of runs in first innings.

Why? Cos Mumbai pitch had true bounce which allowed ball to bounce more and make stroke making easy (atleast in first innings). The other pitches may not have had the turn but there was variable bounce here and there which helped spinners.

The problem with Hyderabad pitch was that there was no pace in it. Even a number 11 batsman could hang back and play any delivery properly if he wishes to do so.

Overseas pitches may not turn big but it may not be so easy paced as Hyderabad. Some will be hard to pick wickets on...others will be not as hard. It all depends.

 

[Chrish]

Back ups always have a long way to go else they would walk right into the first XI.

Okay

 

[Sidilicious]

Billoo's test ranking goes like Warne = Murali > Ajmal > Swann > Herath > Yasir > Ashwin > Jadeja
Anyways...I don't think Ashwin can be called comprehensively better than Swann yet. Sure, he is more lethal than Swann in favourable conditions but Swann did a LOT in England and was very good in SA too. Ash is yet to be tested.

I think Ash would likely overtake him in terms of stature eventually but right now, its more of a personal preference where arguments can be made for both players.

Billooo's rating is
Warne = Murali > Ajmal > Swann > Herath > Yasir > Tahir>Lord Harris>Babar>Zampa>...all the spinners....>Ashwin > Jadeja

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

You are obviously not a very smart person if you keep making posts like this and definitely not worth my time. Younis Khan has centuries in Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa and averages 40+ in the first three. I leave you with this information, do with it as you must.

We all know how he averaged good in Australia and England. He got Asian type wickets there. That severely boosted his average from pathetic to mediocre. He is definitely FTB

<b>PS: If I am not worth your time , you can conveniently ignore me. Just don't judge on my smartness. It will reflect poorly on you. Thanks.</b>

 

[Chrish]

Only bowler than can be called the Bradman of bowling is Glenn Mcgrath, also Ashwin wont break Murali's wicket tally no WAY. If Ashwin finishes his career with 500 test wickets it would be an amazing career...

Barring injury, he should be able to get 600 scalps..

 

[Bilal7]

Billoo's test ranking goes like Warne = Murali > Ajmal > Swann > Herath > Yasir > Ashwin > Jadeja

Anyways...I don't think Ashwin can be called comprehensively better than Swann yet. Sure, he is more lethal than Swann in favourable conditions but Swann did a LOT in England and was very good in SA too. Ash is yet to be tested.

I think Ash would likely overtake him in terms of stature eventually but right now, its more of a personal preference where arguments can be made for both players.

Wow, buddy. That's almost perfect. Murali over Warne though.

For the guys who is still arguing Ashwin's case over Swann. Look, you need to understand that no one outside of India rates Ashwin as an ATG just because he is your greatest ever match-winner in India. That means nothing as long as Ashwin has zero credit overseas.

The reason I rate Murali, Warne, Saqlain, Kumble, Ajmal, Swann, Herath, Shah and Bhajjan over Ashwin is because each of them has done something of note overseas, in conditions that were different than what they get at home. Their really isn't much to choose between spinners not named Murali or Warne on turning pitches, so you differentiate between them based on how they did on tracks in places like England and South Africa.

Can Ashwin overtake half the guys on that list? Yeah, perhaps. He'll get a chance starting from next year. As of now though, calling him a future ATG is as smart as calling Yasir Shah a future ATG.

 

[Chrish]

Ajmal wasn't a bowler..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes Graeme Swann is a legend, here are his legendary stats vs teams with good batting:

v Australia 2009-2013 18 499 63 23.76 0 62 5/44 39.98

v South Africa 2009-2012 6 271 85 33.87 0 25 5/54 38.68

v India 2008-2012 10 164 56 18.22 0 41 6/106 32.68


Yeap Ashwin has a long way to go before he can bring his bowling down a notch to Swann's I have to agree

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ajmal wasn't a bowler..

Which is why he is no longer playing....

 

[Yossarian]

In order to claim that Ashwin is basically the Don Bradman of bowling, here is simple litmus test:

Don Bradman will make it into most cricket fans all time greatest Test XI that is capable of playing and winning anywhere on any surface against any opposition.

How many of those gushing over Ashwin will put him in an all time greatest Test XI that is capable of playing and winning anywhere on any surface against any opposition?

Only the severely deluded I'm betting.

 

[Ellipsism]

In order to claim that Ashwin is basically the Don Bradman of bowling, here is simple litmus test:

Don Bradman will make it into most cricket fans all time greatest Test XI that is capable of playing and winning anywhere on any surface against any opposition.

How many of those gushing over Ashwin will put him in an all time greatest Test XI that is capable of playing and winning anywhere on any surface against any opposition?

Only the severely deluded I'm betting.

Only the severely deluded would accomodate Bradman in a ATG XI that is capable of playing in a variety of conditions.

Why so? Because he hasn't played anywhere else in the world apart from AU and Eng.

I believe this comparison comes by as a way of saying that Ashwin is leagues ahead of contemporaries, the same in which Bradman was.

 

[soso_killer]

He just needs 2 wickets to surpass Swann.

No it doesn't work like that.
An x amount of wickets are useless without any context. Else Chanderpaul surpassed Bradman long ago right?

I'm talking about performances. Swann won and bowled well for England in vast conditions UAE, SA, India, Eng, Sri Lanka etc. He's won so many matches for his country away, also helping them draw a few series: SA 2009 being a good example, Adelaide 2010 another match winning performance in a country known as a rabbit hole for spinners.

Of the spin bowlers i've seen Swann is the best spin bowler after Warne in my book. I rate him above Kumble too.
](NB: keyword being bowler)

Ashwin has a monumental task ahead of him, it starts next year when they visit SA. He has no reason not to perform and is currently at his peak. Swann bowled to Smith, Kallis , Amla and AB and did so relatively well. Best exhibition of spin bowling I've seen in this country in many years, turning the ball on day 1. Incredible!
Ashwin only has to contend with Amla and a rusty returning AB (who hasn't played Test cricket in two years nor does he have interest anymore). The rest of the line-up are nothing players of spin. Any successes Ashwin has won't be held against him. He can only bowl to what is in front of him. So excuses on either sides will not be tolerated.
If I'm not mistaken India head to Australia after that.

It's after he has toured these countries (SA, NZ, Eng, Aus (and UAE?)) that I will have any clear opinion on the "rejuvenated" Ashwin. For now he's comfortably behind Swann, but has time on his side to stand up and be counted. So it's not necessarily set in stone that Swann is forever better than Ashwin. The next two years will make or break Ashwin.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes Graeme Swann is a legend, here are his legendary stats vs teams with good batting:

v Australia 2009-2013 18 499 63 23.76 0 62 5/44 39.98

v South Africa 2009-2012 6 271 85 33.87 0 25 5/54 38.68

v India 2008-2012 10 164 56 18.22 0 41 6/106 32.68


Yeap Ashwin has a long way to go before he can bring his bowling down a notch to Swann's I have to agree

I don't think anyone sensible called Swann a legend but it is a fact that Swann has performed in conditions that are difficult for finger spinners. And all that with a super clean action. Yes he ran away in the middle of the ashes but by then his elbow was gone and England were gonna get thrashed by MJ/Harris and co. anyway with or without Swann. If Ashwin performs decently in SA and atleast one of ENG/NZ i'll rate him as the best finger spinner and well above Swann but until then he remains a highly conditions dependent bowler.

 

[Yossarian]

I believe this comparison comes by as a way of saying that Ashwin is leagues ahead of contemporaries, the same in which Bradman was.

In that case, why the comparisons with Warne, Murali, Kumble etc? They are not contemporaries of Ashwin.

 

[RamLakhan]

I think Steve Waugh made this comment more to bring alertness in the Australian team on how good Ashwin can be and how careful they have to be playing against him! It is like the metaphors we use in daily life (like calling someone as "ghost" just because he is ugly, but really he is not a ghost! You bark like a dog, etc. Something like that!)

The other possibility could be the way he is way too ahead of all other spinners that are playing currently (like how Bradman was way ahead of the rest that were playing in those days!) So in different situations and conditions, these dominance would mean differently...

 

[Tekcirc]

In that case, why the comparisons with Warne, Murali, Kumble etc? They are not contemporaries of Ashwin.

Because his stats are comparable to the greats of cricket.

And like Bradman did wonders in only two countries, Ashwin is a beast in Asia. Both played around 50 games and set records of majestic quality in that time.

22 5fers, 7 10 wickets in a match is like 22 centuries with 7 double hundreds. Its equivalent to Bradman in terms of bowling.

 

[Yossarian]

Because his stats are comparable to the greats of cricket.

And like Bradman did wonders in only two countries, Ashwin is a beast in Asia. Both played around 50 games and set records of majestic quality in that time.

22 5fers, 7 10 wickets in a match is like 22 centuries with 7 double hundreds. Its equivalent to Bradman in terms of bowling.

Why are you replying to a post which itself was a response to a different question to what you're burbling on about? Which in turn was a response to a post proposing a litmus test which Ashwin would fail on most counts.

 

[Tekcirc]

Why are you replying to a post which itself was a response to a different question to what you're burbling on about? Which in turn was a response to a post proposing a litmus test which Ashwin would fail on most counts.

I did not know that there are certain rules with regards to replying to the posts by your Highness!

 

[Yossarian]

I did not know that there are certain rules with regards to replying to the posts by your Highness!

There aren't. But it's normal etiquette to post something relevant to the post that one is quoting whilst taking into account the background to that post.

 

[Tekcirc]

There aren't. But it's normal etiquette to post something relevant to the post that one is quoting whilst taking into account the background to that post.

Not going to derail the thread ..just this.

) lecture on etiquette from someone on an internet discussion board. Dude, you made my day! )

 

[Yossarian]

Not going to derail the thread ..just this.

) lecture on etiquette from someone on an internet discussion board. Dude, you made my day! )

Can't say anything about the Indian forum boards since I don't visit them, but on this forum, posters generally follow unwritten rules of etiquette. Part of the reason why this is such a good forum, and why Indian PPers especially enjoy spending long hours reading it and posting on it. Probably also the reason why an Indian such as yourself enjoys posting on here.

 

[Tekcirc]

Can't say anything about the Indian forum boards since I don't visit them, but on this forum, posters generally follow unwritten rules of etiquette. Part of the reason why this is such a good forum, and why Indian PPers especially enjoy spending long hours reading it and posting on it. Probably also the reason why an Indian such as yourself enjoys posting on here.

I guess, you missed the lecture on "thread derailment"

 

[Romali_rotti]

but it is a fact that Swann has performed in conditions that are difficult for finger spinners. .

Yes it is a fact he performed well in Australia, bowling avg of 52 and South Africa bowling avg of 31. 2 countries where it is difficult for the finger spinners ..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes it is a fact he performed well in Australia, bowling avg of 52 and South Africa bowling avg of 31. 2 countries where it is difficult for the finger spinners ..

Average of 32 is good for a spinner in South Africa. Also i think Swann took a 9fer there. Let's see what Ashwin does there later this year. Hpe he doews well

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Far too generous from Waugh.