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Ravichandran Ashwin in Test cricket as a batsman

Buffet said:
He has skills to bat in the top 6-7 for most countries, including India. You just have to watch him bat and it's clear that he is not a tailendar.
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He bats like a top order batsman. Currently he is better than most Pakistani/BD/SL and some Indian top order batters.

India are lucky to have him. He provides excellent balance to team.
 
Some comments are plain ignorant. He started off as an opener and later on turned to spin, so yes his batting technique is better than many going around. He has scored a double hundred for Tamil Nadu while opening the batting, so yeah he is a proper batsman not a 'more than Handy' batsman.
 
Ashwin has got the technique to be atleast an above avg: batsman even outside Asia. But his real problem is to show up more with the ball 'outside Asia'.
As of now he is pretty pathetic with the ball there.I think this will be a make or break series for him as a spinner outside Asia. If he performs well , eventhough vs a weak WI team, that will do him a world of good in taking on much stronger opponents. Otherwise this may lead to his downfall as a player because his main role in the team is bowling.As ofl now he has not delivered with the ball even in WI.
 
As long as India pick 5 bowlers in Test Matches, he will have no issues. He can do the supporting role (instead of taking the entire burden) in overseas by helping the seamers and also take the help of additional spinner, while he can continue to the good job with bat & provide the balance to team! (And he is a different beast in home test matches anyways). India should not repeat the mistake of Azhar/Kumble era! Please don't expect Ashwin to run through sides overseas. Remember even Warne played second fiddle to seamers whenever his team occasionally dominated in India (while everyone would expect a spinner to dominate in India! Strange is it? That's how things work sometimes!) And when his seamers were rubbish, India used to annihilate the Australian side, and Warne used to be totally hapless (even reduced to Joker at times!) This only shows the significance of "Seamers" in Test Cricket!

And one should not expect too much from Ashwin on flat pitches because he is not a wrist spinner. Concentrate on the team balance & overall performance instead. Mishra might be a wrist spinner but he is not good enough to take up the entire spin responsibility & replace Ashwin (he or Jadeja can only do the supporting job!)
 
A century and a 7 wicket haul in the same Test, remarkable performance by a brilliant cricketer.
 
Mamoon said:
A century and a 7 wicket haul in the same Test, remarkable performance by a brilliant cricketer.
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17 5-wicket hauls in 33 test matches. This man is unreal. When he gets it right, he's one of the best in business. He now needs to develop more consistency outside Asia..
 
Sandeep said:
17 5-wicket hauls in 33 test matches. This man is unreal. When he gets it right, he's one of the best in business. He now needs to develop more consistency outside Asia..
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I think he's better than Kumble already, and I personally rate Kumble very highly.
 
Ashwin the best off-spinner of the last 6 years.

He has left Swann, Herath and Chucker well behind now.

Will do well in places like England etc. in the future, much improved bowler.

Those who doubt Kohli and Ashwin because of their poor statistics in England will have eggs on their faces when India tours England again.
 
Mamoon said:
I think he's better than Kumble already, and I personally rate Kumble very highly.
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Kumble, in spite of not being gifted, was an out and out fighter. He bowled his heart out even when oppositions were 500-3 without any qualms (incidentally India won one of such tests at Adelaide, 2004). Ashwin still has some way to go. But here's hoping good things for him. I want Ashwin to develop that shameless shield to keep on fighting even when down. You would need a lot of that as a Indian bowler. Ishant Sharma is a case in point.
 
Sandeep said:
Kumble, in spite of not being gifted, was an out and out fighter. He bowled his heart out even when oppositions were 500-3 without any qualms (incidentally India won one of such tests at Adelaide, 2004). Ashwin still has some way to go. But here's hoping good things for him. I want Ashwin to develop that shameless shield to keep on fighting even when down. You would need a lot of that as a Indian bowler. Ishant Sharma is a case in point.
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Yeah, Kumble was a beast. Delivered match-winning spells with broken jaws and bones.

He was as vital for India in the 90's as Tendulkar, one of the greatest bowlers in home conditions ever.

Ashwin however is developing into a bit of a genius. He seems to be toying with the batsmen these days.
 
I think he has a way to go before he can be called better than the great offie Swann.

Potential is there.

Anyways, today's spell has left me astounded.

Incredible exhibition of flight, dip and turn (whatever little was present).

Every wicket (barring the Bishoo dismissal) were due to his flight.

The dismissals to get rid of Marlon, Holder were pure jaffas.

A bit of wind and a lot of skill.

5fer in one spell.

The next few tests will tell us whether he can replicate this kind of bowling (which can leak a lot of runs if not executed properly). Seems to have worked on his game and improved more. Kept saying this in the first innings when he went wicketless (due to a touch fuller length).
 
Sandeep said:
Kumble, in spite of not being gifted, was an out and out fighter. He bowled his heart out even when oppositions were 500-3 without any qualms (incidentally India won one of such tests at Adelaide, 2004). Ashwin still has some way to go. But here's hoping good things for him. I want Ashwin to develop that shameless shield to keep on fighting even when down. You would need a lot of that as a Indian bowler. Ishant Sharma is a case in point.
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He has to learn that from Kumble.

You punch Ashwin thrice and he will fall down and then give a weak fight and probably die.

Kumble will get up bleeding and fight back till you kill him or he kills you.

Apart from that, skill wise, Ashwin has more ability than Kumble.

Achievement wise, long way to go.
 
Mamoon said:
Ashwin the best off-spinner of the last 6 years.

He has left Swann, Herath and Chucker well behind now.

Will do well in places like England etc. in the future, much improved bowler.

Those who doubt Kohli and Ashwin because of their poor statistics in England will have eggs on their faces when India tours England again.
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Just your saying that Kohli and Ahswin are going to perform in England won't make their current stats go away. There is nothing to suggest they can rectify their horrendous record.

Swann was much better than Ashwin. Similar level of batting, performed well in England and was deadly in Asia.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
He has to learn that from Kumble.

You punch Ashwin thrice and he will fall down and then give a weak fight and probably die.

Kumble will get up bleeding and fight back till you kill him or he kills you.

Apart from that, skill wise, Ashwin has more ability than Kumble.

Achievement wise, long way to go.
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I think Ashwin is all set to become one of the finest All-Rounders India has produced along with Kapil Dev.
As a batsmen he avgs 30+ and already has 3 100s and is a world class bowler.He can go down as an ATG all rounder unless he regresses in his bowling.
 
Swann has a similar level of batting to Ashwin?

Have you watched both bat?

Its not even in the same league.

I am not even talking about stats and runs.
 
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Swann averages like 22 with bat and has 0 centuries. Ashwin batting is at par with Shaun Pollock who was a handy batsmen.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Swann has a similar level of batting to Ashwin?

Have you watched both bat?

Its not even in the same planet.

I am not even talking about stats and runs.
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He was a reliable scorer down the order. Bailed out England many times in low scoring affairs. Having a bowler who scored at an average of 23 despite playing the majority of his cricket in low scoring conditions is extremely useful.

Ashwin hasn't exactly set the world ablaze with his batting, can't even remember any match he saved for India thanks to his batting. Just piled on in high scoring affairs.
 
Swann is better than Ashwin no doubt as of now.

But Ashwin is no dummy.

He averages better than him in SL, Bangladesh, Aus (yes, bowling with phattu pacers) and India and probably WI by the end of this series.

Swann averages better in Eng and SA.
 
endymion248 said:
Just your saying that Kohli and Ahswin are going to perform in England won't make their current stats go away. There is nothing to suggest they can rectify their horrendous record.

Swann was much better than Ashwin. Similar level of batting, performed well in England and was deadly in Asia.
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Both have improved since 2014. That is enough to suggest that they are going to rectify their stats.
 
Mamoon said:
Both have improved since 2014. That is enough to suggest that they are going to rectify their stats.
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Ashwin improved after he stopped playing in England and Australia. You refuse to acknowledge UAE stats as good predictors for overseas performance in Pak players (rightly so), no need to have double standards here.

Ashwin averaged over 30 after the last bout of overseas performances, his average only came down after trouncing Bangladesh, South Africa and Sri Lanka in spinning conditions.

Same story for Kohli on swinging conditions.
 
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endymion248 said:
Ashwin improved after he stopped playing in England and Australia. You refuse to acknowledge UAE stats as good predictors for overseas performance in Pak players (rightly so), no need to have double standards here.

Ashwin averaged over 30 after the last bout of overseas performances, his average only came down after trouncing Bangladesh, South Africa and West Indies in spinning conditions.
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Ashwin has better control now and seems to be in a better place mentally. Watch his 2-3 year old spells and his spells now, he simply looks a better bowler who is much more confident about his game.
 
endymion248 said:
He was a reliable scorer down the order. Bailed out England many times in low scoring affairs. Having a bowler who scored at an average of 23 despite playing the majority of his cricket in low scoring conditions is extremely useful.

Ashwin hasn't exactly set the world ablaze with his batting, can't even remember any match he saved for India thanks to his batting. Just piled on in high scoring affairs.
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You have got it so wrong that I don't know where to start.

1. Ashwin averages 33 in England and scored 43....and 46* in a Old Trafford pitch where the ball was swinging like crazy in first innings. Check cricinfo scores of that pitch.

2. Ashwin has played extreme clutch knocks in Test that are more memorable. And he plays in rank turners and regular spin tracks of India.

2011 - Ashwin walks in with India facing the possibility of follow on against WI and scores a 100 and bails us out.
2012 - On a rank turner Mumbai pitch, Ashwin walks in at 130-6 and scores a 65 odd taking India to 330 along with Pujara against Monty and Swann.
2012 - India are lying totering facing innings defeat and Anderson is reverse swinging like mad in Kolkata and he scores 91* defying Anderson, Finn, Swann and Panesar.
2013 - Shillingford with an illegal action runs through our batting lineup and India is stuck at 150-6 with Rohit at crease. Ashwin walks in and hits 124 with Rohit scoring a double century and we win with innings defeat.
2014 - Eng, Aus tour knocks - decent contributions though could have done better
2015 - India is in a bit of a bother at 179-7 with a lead of 279 on a flattening pitch where more is needed. He scores a crucial 58 at no 9 and takes us to a lead of 360. And then came out and won the match with the ball. SL scored 268 in 4th innings. If Ashwin had got out, they were par which means match would have been super close and we could have lost the match and series. It was THAT important a knock.
2016 - Walks in at 236-4 against WI with only Saha, Mishra and 2 tails left. If he or Kohli gets out, we will be bundled out for 300 on this track. Scores a 100 and gives us an innings defeat.

Its not a comparison.

Ashwin is world renowned for his knocks especially in clutch situations. He has his flaws (in batting) but has done very well.

And by the way, he saved a test in Aus batting out crucial overs with Dhoni. ;-)
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You have got it so wrong that I don't know where to start.

1. Ashwin averages 33 in England and scored 43....and 46* in a Old Trafford pitch where the ball was swinging like crazy in first innings. Check cricinfo scores of that pitch.

2. Ashwin has played extreme clutch knocks in Test that are more memorable. And he plays in rank turners and regular spin tracks of India.

2011 - Ashwin walks in with India facing the possibility of follow on against WI and scores a 100 and bails us out.
2012 - On a rank turner Mumbai pitch, Ashwin walks in at 130-6 and scores a 65 odd taking India to 330 along with Pujara against Monty and Swann.
2012 - India are lying totering facing innings defeat and Anderson is reverse swinging like mad in Kolkata and he scores 91* defying Anderson, Finn, Swann and Panesar.
2013 - Shillingford with an illegal action runs through our batting lineup and India is stuck at 150-6 with Rohit at crease. Ashwin walks in and hits 124 with Rohit scoring a double century and we win with innings defeat.
2014 - Eng, Aus tour knocks - decent contributions though could have done better
2015 - India is in a bit of a bother at 179-7 with a lead of 279 on a flattening pitch where more is needed. He scores a crucial 58 at no 9 and takes us to a lead of 360. And then came out and won the match with the ball. SL scored 268 in 4th innings. If Ashwin had got out, they were par which means match would have been super close and we could have lost the match and series. It was THAT important a knock.
2016 - Walks in at 236-4 against WI with only Saha, Mishra and 2 tails left. If he or Kohli gets out, we will be bundled out for 300 on this track. Scores a 100 and gives us an innings defeat.

Its not a comparison.

Ashwin is world renowned for his knocks especially in clutch situations. He has his flaws (in batting) but has done very well.

And by the way, he saved a test in Aus batting out crucial overs with Dhoni. ;-)
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I appreciate the effort, great memory (or googling patience, whichever). It's true that Ashwin has great knocks (as does Swann), I had forgotten some of these. It doesn't discredit that Swann was good performer with the bat and had a much better career than Ashwin so far with the bowl so saying that Ashwin left Swann far behind just because he took 7 wickets in the 2nd innings in WI is just the usual Mamoon overhyping Indian players.
 
Ashwin hasn't exactly set the world ablaze with his batting, can't even remember any match he saved for India thanks to his batting. Just piled on in high scoring affairs.
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Endy bhai as a poster I respect you. I mean it.

But you have a habit of winging too much about stuff without confirming facts.

Just like you did reg Bishen Singh Bedi and rank turner argument for the 2 year period.

I humbly request you to not keep winging so much.
 
Mamoon said:
Ashwin has better control now and seems to be in a better place mentally. Watch his 2-3 year old spells and his spells now, he simply looks a better bowler who is much more confident about his game.
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Maybe because he has stopped chucking in the last 2-3 years, cheating always takes its toll.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Endy bhai as a poster I respect you. I mean it.

But you have a habit of winging too much about stuff without confirming facts.

Just like you did reg Bishen Singh Bedi and rank turner argument for the 2 year period.

I humbly request you to not keep winging so much.
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You mean like how you ran away after I posted the cumulative averages proving your argument was flawed? Call it winging if you will.
 
endymion248 said:
I appreciate the effort, great memory (or googling patience, whichever). It's true that Ashwin has great knocks (as does Swann), I had forgotten some of these. It doesn't discredit that Swann was good performer with the bat and had a much better career than Ashwin so far with the bowl so saying that Ashwin left Swann far behind just because he took 7 wickets in the 2nd innings in WI is just the usual Mamoon overhyping Indian players.
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No...from memory.

I really know my stuff reg Indian cricket in tests in the last 5 years. :D

Swann was a very very decent lower order bat.

But not comparable to Ashwin who can mess up with batting but really is a all conditions batsman down the order. Scored in all kinds of pitches. Doesn't mean he is a proper bat (yet) and I am not looking too much into this 100 but there is a lot that went before which made him get this but that's another story for another time.
 
endymion248 said:
You mean like how you ran away after I posted the cumulative averages proving your argument was flawed? Call it winging if you will.
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Ran away?

I destroyed you literally in that thread.

If you still didn't understand a point I had repeated 20 times, then :))
 
endymion248 said:
Maybe because he has stopped chucking in the last 2-3 years, cheating always takes its toll.
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He only chucked during the 2014 Asia Cup where he was publicly whining about chuckers throughout the tournament, and he was pretty woeful when he chucked himself.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ran away?

I destroyed you literally in that thread.

If you still didn't understand a point I had repeated 20 times, then :))
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To keep repeating a flawed argument 20 times won't make it right A bowler gets his average under 27 for 2 matches in his career and you start acting like his average is 26 - that level of grasping at straws was evident to all readers, even Indians.

I concede that you were right in this case about Ashwin's batting, no need to try to build your flawed argument about Bedi on the shoulders of this small victory: it just proves that your position was untenable at the time.
 
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He only chucked during the 2014 Asia Cup where he was publicly whining about chuckers throughout the tournament, and he was pretty woeful when he chucked himself.
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Yes, and Amir only spot-fixed that one match at Lord's. He is still a fixer and an ex-con - and Ashwin is still a cheater. At least Ajmal had the excuse that he didn't know he was chucking until it was tested, Ashwin admitted to what he was doing in interview. Again, your double standards are appalling. You can't even call Ajmal's name straight, you prefer to call him chuckmal and chucker, but you are finding excuses like ''it was only one time'' for Ashwin.
 
I thought ashwin was useless with the bowl away from home. Happy to be proven wrong today. I always knew he is a handy batsman down the order but he is a bowler first. Good start for india. Disappointed with the crowd attendance though. I think they are busy watching lallu panju matches in caribbean.
 
endymion248 said:
To keep repeating a flawed argument 20 times won't make it right A bowler gets his average under 27 for 2 matches in his career and you start acting like his average is 26 - that level of grasping at straws was evident to all readers, even Indians.

I concede that you were right in this case about Ashwin's batting, no need to try to build your flawed argument about Bedi on the shoulders of this small victory: it just proves that your position was untenable at the time.
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I am not building anything.

You kept avoiding the fact that he averaged 25 from debut till end of 60s. Then in that other 2 year period before decline he averaged 21 (which formed another 25% of his career tests). So total making it 50% of his career where he had an average of sub 25.

Anyways, leave all that.

All I said was his average before decline was 26.

Common stuff we do in stat analysis. Everyone in the world does that. Not just me.

You challenged it and I gave solid reasons and the % of tests breakdown made it clear of how Bedi had performed.

Anyways....my comment about "winging it" wasn't meant to be rude (though I totally understand it will be taken that way). But when you make statements about "Bedi getting is average down in those 2 years we discussed due to rank turners and home umpires (when reality was different)" and "Ashwin would have piled on runs on high scoring affairs"...I had to point out.

Moving on...
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I am not building anything.

You kept avoiding the fact that he averaged 25 from debut till end of 60s. Then in that other 2 year period before decline he averaged 21 (which formed another 25% of his career tests). So total making it 50% of his career where he had an average of sub 25.

Anyways, leave all that.

All I said was his average before decline was 26.

Common stuff we do in stat analysis. Everyone in the world does that. Not just me.

You challenged it and I gave solid reasons and the % of tests breakdown made it clear of how Bedi had performed.

Anyways....my comment about "winging it" wasn't meant to be rude (though I totally understand it will be taken that way). But when you make statements about "Bedi getting is average down in those 2 years we discussed due to rank turners and home umpires (when reality was different)" and "Ashwin would have piled on runs on high scoring affairs"...I had to point out.

Moving on...
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That is not how cumulative averages work. You can't take different portions of the career and apply them to the overall average. Anyways, it's off-topic here, I'll bump the other thread when I have more to add.
 
endymion248 said:
He was a reliable scorer down the order. Bailed out England many times in low scoring affairs. Having a bowler who scored at an average of 23 despite playing the majority of his cricket in low scoring conditions is extremely useful.

Ashwin hasn't exactly set the world ablaze with his batting, can't even remember any match he saved for India thanks to his batting. Just piled on in high scoring affairs.
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LOL you need to watch more cricket mate
ashwin's first 100 came at a crunch time when india facing defeat in both occasions
 
Mamoon said:
Ashwin the best off-spinner of the last 6 years.

He has left Swann, Herath and Chucker well behind now.

Will do well in places like England etc. in the future, much improved bowler.

Those who doubt Kohli and Ashwin because of their poor statistics in England will have eggs on their faces when India tours England again.
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By the time India tour England again Pakistan will be a pretty weak team - no Younis, no Misbah so I don't think there will be anything for Pakistani fans to stand on to bad mouth them. It's like in ODIs and T20s where no Pakistani fan badmouths India or it's players anymore because the difference is so so stark.

The same thing will happen in tests I believe. Misbah and Younis are the last batsmen of the Inzy generation which had some decent batsmen. After that Pakistani's batting cupboard look a bit bare. Azhar/Asad are ok but nowhere as good as the YK/Moyo/Inzy/Misbah category.
 
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While I can see the argument for Swann > Ashwin as a bowler in tests, as a batsman, it is pretty much a no contest in Ashwin's favour. Career average of 34 averaging above 30 in both England and Australia, with a lot of match saving or winning knocks.

Statistically Ashwin is on the verge of being amongst the 15-20 true all rounders in the history of the game.
 
It will be interesting to see how much runs and centuries Ashwin can score in his career?

Can he be comparable to Kapil Dev if he goes this way? Kapil has 5000 runs with 8 100s and he scored those runs fast and is an ATG all rounder.

He will probably fall sort due to his batting.
 
If he continues to bat at 6 and can improve outside Asia as a bowler(as it is looking like now), he will likely end up ranking above Kapil as an all rounder in tests.

Of course, Kapil won us a WC as a captain and will be hard to beat overall. Only Virat amongst the current generation is on track to beat that.
 
Long way to go.

Don't over-rate his batting. He is a good bat but is a long long way from a consistently effective bat.

How much runs he can score in his career is tied to how disciplined he can remain and that's a highly speculative territory.
 
It is always a help when the best spinner in the world also averages 30+ with bat.
 
Ashwin's only problem is when he tries to over attack....similar to vvs laxman...if asking rate is 8+ or we need quick runs to declare he will fail 9 times out of 10 but even in the most critical back to the wall situation will score at a decent rate without going into a rut.

As long as he is playing in the V a delightful batsman.
 
Ashwin has a fair bit to go to overcome Swann as a spinner.

But the guy has an immense potential as an all rounder. Has the ability to become one of the best ever in the game.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Long way to go.

Don't over-rate his batting. He is a good bat but is a long long way from a consistently effective bat.

How much runs he can score in his career is tied to how disciplined he can remain and that's a highly speculative territory.
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His batting in LOIs should not affect his Test Batting! That is the key thing. He is going to struggle in LOIs (even his bowling is going to be slightly ineffective compared to Test matches on non-helpful conditions! Darters like Jadeja are going to overtake him) So it depends on how he cops with his limitations and how he utilizes his strength. Somebody like Pollock also faced this situation (people like Klusener used to overtake him in LOIs, while Pollock's batting more suited for Test matches)
 
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His batting in LOIs should not affect his Test Batting! That is the key thing. He is going to struggle in LOIs (even his bowling is going to be slightly ineffective compared to Test matches on non-helpful conditions! Darters like Jadeja are going to overtake him) So it depends on how he cops with his limitations and how he utilizes his strength. Somebody like Pollock also faced this situation (people like Klusener used to overtake him in LOIs, while Pollock's batting more suited for Test matches)
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I never talked about LOI.

Was talking about tests only.

Ashwin potentially can average 40 at number 7. But he needs to be disciplined for long to do it. Or else will be a flashy 30 player.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You have got it so wrong that I don't know where to start.

1. Ashwin averages 33 in England and scored 43....and 46* in a Old Trafford pitch where the ball was swinging like crazy in first innings. Check cricinfo scores of that pitch.

2. Ashwin has played extreme clutch knocks in Test that are more memorable. And he plays in rank turners and regular spin tracks of India.

2011 - Ashwin walks in with India facing the possibility of follow on against WI and scores a 100 and bails us out.
2012 - On a rank turner Mumbai pitch, Ashwin walks in at 130-6 and scores a 65 odd taking India to 330 along with Pujara against Monty and Swann.
2012 - India are lying totering facing innings defeat and Anderson is reverse swinging like mad in Kolkata and he scores 91* defying Anderson, Finn, Swann and Panesar.
2013 - Shillingford with an illegal action runs through our batting lineup and India is stuck at 150-6 with Rohit at crease. Ashwin walks in and hits 124 with Rohit scoring a double century and we win with innings defeat.
2014 - Eng, Aus tour knocks - decent contributions though could have done better
2015 - India is in a bit of a bother at 179-7 with a lead of 279 on a flattening pitch where more is needed. He scores a crucial 58 at no 9 and takes us to a lead of 360. And then came out and won the match with the ball. SL scored 268 in 4th innings. If Ashwin had got out, they were par which means match would have been super close and we could have lost the match and series. It was THAT important a knock.
2016 - Walks in at 236-4 against WI with only Saha, Mishra and 2 tails left. If he or Kohli gets out, we will be bundled out for 300 on this track. Scores a 100 and gives us an innings defeat.

Its not a comparison.

Ashwin is world renowned for his knocks especially in clutch situations. He has his flaws (in batting) but has done very well.

And by the way, he saved a test in Aus batting out crucial overs with Dhoni. ;-)
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Give this man a cookie. Pure ownage.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I never talked about LOI.

Was talking about tests only.

Ashwin potentially can average 40 at number 7. But he needs to be disciplined for long to do it. Or else will be a flashy 30 player.
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I did not tell you are talking about LOIs, it is about Ashwin's internal psyche :)) Sometimes people put pressure on themselves when they are not able to do something. He is going to struggle in shorter format because he doesn't have one essential aspect of it (Running Between Wickets or slogging! One was enough to add to his technically correct batting) If he makes sure that this doesn't affect his Test Batting, he is fine and he is going to excel. Back in the mind he will also know that if India finds another bits and piece player (bat/bowl/field) then a captain like Dhoni will prefer those players over him (when his bowling form is bad) in LOIs.
 
Been promoted ahead of Karthik and Pandya! Let's see how he does here.
 
Not a genuine all-rounder level. He can bat at 8 for most teams though. His batting is more like Shaun Pollock/ Richard Hadlee.
 
Better than Pandya. Not better than Karthik.

He has a touch of VVS to his shots (not ability, just the way he plays some drives and on the legside)
 
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Have said it in the past. Anything above 8 is too high for him.
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He was averaging 35 at one point. So, he has regressed quite a bit as well. He will get runs somewhere down the lines but yes, he is not a genuine all-rounder.
 
Guess like most indian batsman he has issues with the moving ball His technique is geared for flat low pitches as hes all hands

He ll score useful runs for india at 7/8 more home than abroad
 
Ab Fan said:
He was averaging 35 at one point. So, he has regressed quite a bit as well. He will get runs somewhere down the lines but yes, he is not a genuine all-rounder.
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He is Pollock type of all-rounder, a bowler who can score runs.
 
To be totally honest, he always looks to me like a tail ender. I know he has scored some runs in India. But when you know Ashwin is at 6, you know the tail starts from no.6. A bit like Robin Singh in the 90s.
 
batsmen like him are good past number 7 because these runs count as a bonus, but Ashwin is nowhere near good enough to bat at 6, especially overseas.
 
Ravi Ashwin's Horrifying Batting Performance

Since his debut in 2011, Ashwin used to be more than capable batsman, averaged in 40s.
He also batted with greet in Sa, Eng, Aus and even in an ODI against NZ alongwith Jaddu.
Surprisingly, his avg comes down to 30 now, he has completely lost an art of batting with a tail nor that he supports a main batsman in partnerships.
Whats wrong? Discuss.
 
Maybe because he's been amongst the top 10 bowlers in Tests for the past few years.
 
Ashwin has always an average batsman. All his centuries were against West Indies before Holder and Gabriel became decent bowlers. Also he has started to age and will definitely focus on his bowling to stay in the team. Unlike Jadeja, Ashwin is a liability on the field so he can't afford to bowl poorly. That's why his batting has gone downhill.

If he can average above 25 with bat before he retires, he will still be a good allrounder. Better than most bits and pieces players.
 
He is a good bowling allrounder.
Capable of averaging 25+ consistently and having brief periods/series where he can move to 33-35 level against weaker teams on better pitches.

Batting isn't his primary skill and his returns, although diminishing aren't really much to be concerned about.
 
A Pollock level batsmen, inferior to Kapil with bat.

The hundred he got against WI in bowling friendly conditions in 2016 was a quality inning though.

Overall, a world class bowler and a good no. 8 batsmen.
 
Ashwin is a clutch batsman. He is not one of those batsman, who will score runs when his team has 400 runs in the 1st innings, or his team is 200 runs ahead of the opponent.

But, he will score runs when India really need him to. For instance, runs vs England at home in 2016 whenever England put India in trouble.

He did fail in England and SA away, but I still think he is a better bat than Jadeja. At home, each of Ashwin's runs are worth in gold as they always come when India needs them.

If he could do this away in SENA, even average 30 there, he would become a great AR.
 
Plenty of appreciation for Vihari, and that's well-deserved.

But I think Ashwin deserves as much, if not more credit for the SCG draw. His batting has been down for a while and he had a terrible runout in the 1st innings that made him look like an amateur.

When he came out to bat today, he bore the brunt of the fast bowlers and for a long while, took on the pacers, while Vihari faced the spinners. Got hit all over his body but took the blows because his game to short bowling has traditionally been to pull or hook and not evade.

Well played champ. Another medal in your growing list of honours :bow
 
Clutch knock. With Ash and Jadeja, there is enough depth in our batting.
 
Well done but he looked unsure for the first 30 minutes. Vihari played well and looked solid for most part of this innings hence more appreciation to him + he was injured.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
He bats like a top order batsman. Currently he is better than most Pakistani/BD/SL and some Indian top order batters.

India are lucky to have him. He provides excellent balance to team.
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I stand by my statement.

Despite me having some doubts over his action, he is worth his weight in gold for this Indian team and he is fat :yk

He still bats better than almost all Pak test top order :yk
 
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If he goes back to his old technique, he can be among runs again.

The new t20 style technique makes it hard for him to have late adjustments.

Earlier he used to have soo much time to play the ball. The new technique doesn't allow him to do so.

A small late movement and he is done.

With that being said, this was an insaneeee knock.

Pure mind over matter.

He had no business surviving so long with that ghatiya technique but he still did.
 
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