Ravindra Jadeja - Second fastest to get 300 wickets and 3000 runs in Test cricket

[Darkrai]

So your logic is Root grew up in swinging pitches.. so we should not take his runs seriously on those pitches because he averages 35 in Aus on pacy wickets.

Where did i say we shouldn't take Jadeja's runs seriously?

 

[Ab Fan]

A good player but time for him to retire now. He should retire on a high note in his career.

Took 10 wickets in the match.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Am surprised to see guys like Warne and Broad having made 3000 test runs....
did'nt think they would have made as much....

 

[Saurav]

Because he probably plays spin better than most SENA players since he grew up on those pitches?

That goes for every player then.

and he has good stats in Aus too and a ton in England

 

[Mamoon]

Nah not really, you can't teach lack of intelligence... Afridi had no brain, so he wouldn't have achieved anything meaningful or given as much chances like he got in Pakistan, he wouldve been dropped after a few test matches in India for good.

Talent only gets you so far...

Jadeja is no Elon Musk either. He is a huge beneficiary of Indian pitches. There is no difference between him and players like Washington & Axar. Same goes for Santner.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I really rate Riggedeja. Yeah he has benefited from rigged pitches but he still contributes a decent amount across all formats and in all facets.

Most teams would kill to have him and he may be better than Pitchwin from an Indian perspective.

 

[RidiculousMan]

He can only win you matches when oppositions don't have good spinners. When they have the likes of Ajaz Patel then even Jadeja's wickets can't get you wins. lol

 

[Romali_rotti]

Jadeja is no Elon Musk either. He is a huge beneficiary of Indian pitches. There is no difference between him and players like Washington & Axar. Same goes for Santner.

Nah

Jadeja avgs much better than Afridi in Aus..

 

[FearlessRoar]

His all-round skills and experience will be vital for India's success in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy

 

[FearlessRoar]

After the end of Day 2 of 3rd Test between Australia and India, in the post-match presentation, Travis Head:

“He [Ravindra Jadeja] bowled brilliantly, bowled wicket-taking balls, and was always tough facing up against him. I always enjoyed batting with Steve (Smith); when he bats well, I always go unnoticed. I thought he was moving (his feet) very well; it allowed me to be proactive as well. I just enjoy what I do; I just want to play well for the team, for the guys on the team, and I'm enjoying it.”

“I have played enough against India; I've had a blueprint, and I was a bit nervous to start against spin; I was happy with the way I started against him today (on Ravindra Jadeja). The new ball will do something throughout the game; I can't see too far ahead of the game, but hopefully the weather plays up nicely, but the new ball will be crucial. The top 6 (batting) is setting up nicely, hopeful of doing well in Sri Lanka and getting into the WTC final. Very pleased for Smudge, he has had a lot against him, and it's nice to see him get back to his best form.”

 

[Mamoon]

One of the greatest useless player in history. He is bang average in every aspect except fielding, but his numbers indicate that he is an all-time great.

Thankfully we saw both Ashwin and Jadeja and how ordinary they are actually were.

No one can compete with India when it comes to making mediocre cricketers like Dhoni, Laxman, Ashwin, Jadeja etc. look like legends.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ravindra Jadeja slams a half-century in 82 balls—an all-important fifty on Day 4 of the 3rd Test against Australia when Team India was struggling.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not as bang or mediocre as highlighted above. One of his another useful knocks with bat in Australia.

 

[Buffet]

An important knock in middle of series when India was totally out of the game. If he can bat for some more time, the match will be likely a draw.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Most 50+ scores at number 7 or lower in Tests since 2017

Ravindra Jadeja - 15
Niroshan Dickwella - 12
Agha Salman - 11
Quinton de Kock - 11
Alex Carey - 10
Mehidy Hasan Miraz - 10

 

[Bhaijaan]

Welcome back Sir Ravendra Jadeja.

Strength and honour

 

[big_gamer007]

Jadeja is a good cricketer and has played his part well.
He isn’t an ATG neither is a top tier all rounder. He made the best use of the conditions and his skillset which is commendable to him and the board.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The greatest allrounder of this generation.

Since 2020 Jadeja has averaged 41 away from home with the bat and 31 with the ball.

In home conditions, he is easily the greatest player of this generation.

Just look at his home numbers :

Bowling averages 20.7, batting average 38, so basically he also negates the strawman argument about his numbers in home, if the pitches are so deadly in India then how does he average 38 with the bat here.

Top 5 greatest test cricketer of the last 10 years, Superstar and the number one allrounder in the world.

In this match alone he has achieved what some legends from a certain country couldn't do in last 30 years.

Another important stat - Jadeja averages 35 with the bat away from home with one century, On the other hand a certain specialist batter from Aus averages 29 away with 0 centuries.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The greatest allrounder of this generation.

Since 2020 Jadeja has averaged 41 away from home with the bat and 31 with the ball.

In home conditions, he is easily the greatest player of this generation.

Just look at his home numbers :

Bowling averages 20.7, batting average 38, so basically he also negates the strawman argument about his numbers in home, if the pitches are so deadly in India then how does he average 38 with the bat here.

Top 5 greatest test cricketer of the last 10 years, Superstar and the number one allrounder in the world.

In this match alone he has achieved what some legends from a certain country couldn't do in last 30 years.

Another important stat - Jadeja averages 35 with the bat away from home with one century, On the other hand a certain specialist batter from Aus averages 29 away with 0 centuries.

In Bharat, he’s a huge asset.

However abroad he is basically a mediocre batter and a mediocre bowler and on the basis of that no player can be called a great. No wonder he wasn’t able to break into playing XI on many occasions.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

In Bharat, he’s a huge asset.

However abroad he is basically a mediocre batter and a mediocre bowler and on the basis of that no player can be called a great. No wonder he wasn’t able to break into playing XI on many occasions.

A mediocre batter doesn’t average 41 since the turn of decade, he is the best allrounder of this generation, you can check Ben Stokes stats away from home, Jadeja has better number both home and away.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ravindra Jadeja slams a half-century in 82 balls—an all-important fifty on Day 4 of the 3rd Test against Australia when Team India was struggling.

Ravindra Jadeja demonstrated his batting grit with a resolute 77(123) on Day 4 of the third Test against Australia

Although he fell short of a century and couldn't fully prevent the follow-on, he managed to break a 56-year-old record. Jadeja now holds the record for the highest score by a No. 7 batter for India at The Gabba, Brisbane. The previous record belonged to Chandu Borde, who scored 63 runs while building a vital partnership with centurion Motganhalli Jaisimha during an unsuccessful run chase.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A mediocre batter doesn’t average 41 since the turn of decade, he is the best allrounder of this generation, you can check Ben Stokes stats away from home, Jadeja has better number both home and away.

I am a fan of his. Gives his 100% every time and one of the most improved cricketers ever.

But there’s a reason why he’s a not feared as much outside Bharat and barely makes it to the playing XI abroad. His numbers abroad are average and not that of a match winner.

Bat avg 35-40, Bowling average 30 isn’t going to win many matches.

 

[Ab Fan]

In Bharat, he’s a huge asset.

However abroad he is basically a mediocre batter and a mediocre bowler and on the basis of that no player can be called a great. No wonder he wasn’t able to break into playing XI on many occasions.

He is a better batter than most Indian batsmen abroad. That’s good enough. Using words like mediocre, useless, bang average and ordinary only suggest hatred and jealousy.

 

[FearlessRoar]

During a discussion on a local sports media outlet, Sanjay Manjrekar said:

"He played the fast bowlers a lot and played them very well. He didn't make even a slight mistake against the fast bowlers. However, once Nathan Lyon came, he was expecting off-spin, that the ball would turn. His bat came for the off-spin and the ball was not turning at all. So he played with that mindset."

"It seems like Jadeja needs to practice a little more against spin because he is looking absolutely comfortable against seam. He used to play very well against spin earlier but it happens that when you play overseas, you start playing fast bowling well and your focus is slightly removed from spin. If only fast bowlers had been there, Jadeja would have played a big knock."

 

[JaDed]

@mominsaigol you would had done better than him in Aus too right?

 

[Champ_Pal]

He is a better batter than most Indian batsmen abroad. That’s good enough. Using words like mediocre, useless, bang average and ordinary only suggest hatred and jealousy.

He is 100% better than the likes of Kohli and Rohit. Then again, it does not take much to be better than both of those oldies.

 

[BouncerGuy]

What a pathetic review.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875055002198114331

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ravindra Jadeja casts a spell on his Ranji return, claiming 12 wickets

 

[Cricket Warrior]

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) took to its social handles on Thursday, May 15, to congratulate Ravindra Jadeja for creating the world record of having the longest streak as the No. 1 all-rounder in Test cricket’s history.

Jadeja, who has played 80 Test matches for India since making his debut against England in Nagpur on December 13, 2012, has been No. 1 in the men’s Test all-rounder’s ranking for 1152 days.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC...NO PERSONAL REMARKS.

 

[Ab Fan]

Needs to do a little bit more overseas but otherwise a champion player in longer format.

Bat Avg - 34
Bowl Avg - 24

 

[Bewal Express]

A good cricketer but the stats a very flattering

Badly shown up as dust bowl specialist.Bowled awfully and probably ended his career outside Ind.

 

[pillionrider]

There is no way he can be keeping out Kuldeep. I would even pick Sundar over him, despite Sundar being the inferior bowler right now, just because he is less selfish and has bigger fight in him. Jadeja should be retired from international cricket. The luckiest Indian cricketer ever, partly because Dhoni loved him.

 

[Double Trouble]

Totally agree with the above Jsdeja should call it a day in tests.

Sundar, Kuldeep & Axar are streets ahead.

 

[Ab Fan]

One of the greats in Test cricket but time for a change in next game. Bring the offie Washington Sundar to tackle England’s opening batsman Duckett or Nitish Reddy and play Kuldeep in the team. However, the tail will still remain the same but a change is good.

 

[mominsaigol]

One of the greats in Test cricket but time for a change in next game. Bring the offie Washington Sundar to tackle England’s opening batsman Duckett or Nitish Reddy and play Kuldeep in the team. However, the tail will still remain the same but a change is good.

ATG jadeja being replaced? Have you ever heard of an atg spinner being replaced this early in a 5 match series(injuries excluded)

That's like me replacing Shane Warne with Adam Zampa in the 2nd test match of the Ashes.

Just admit you were wrong and stop having an ego now.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja was a saving grace in that lower order though, which starts right below Pant. He still got quite a bit with bat. But I will like to make a change in next test.

 

[Mamoon]

Probably the biggest fraud in history after Dhoni.

 

[Bewal Express]

One of the greats in Test cricket but time for a change in next game. Bring the offie Washington Sundar to tackle England’s opening batsman Duckett or Nitish Reddy and play Kuldeep in the team. However, the tail will still remain the same but a change is good.

Not quite. Good AR but not good as a main spinner. Showed no guile or strategy and looked awful.

 

[shamaan]

Sundar should come in for Jadeja.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not quite. Good AR but not good as a main spinner. Showed no guile or strategy and looked awful.

I would say it was a rare bad day for Jadeja at the office. He has 300+ test wickets at an avg of 24, which is an exceptional feat.

When you have played all these years with the likes of Kohli, Ashwin, Pujara, Shami, Rohit and they all retired, it becomes a bit different challenge and he might have find things different this time with no one out there to discuss the strategy and plannings.

Additionally, you have to look at Jadeja as A/R and not a genuine spinner only. That’s what his role is at #7 with such a long tail. He averages 37 overseas with bat in last 3 years and that suggests how good he has been all these years both home and away.

 

[Bewal Express]

I would say it was a rare bad day for Jadeja at the office. He has 300+ test wickets at an avg of 24, which is an exceptional feat.

When you have played all these years with the likes of Kohli, Ashwin, Pujara, Shami, Rohit and they all retired, it becomes a bit different challenge and he might have find things different this time with no one out there to discuss the strategy and plannings.

Additionally, you have to look at Jadeja as A/R and not a genuine spinner only. That’s what his role is at #7 with such a long tail. He averages 37 overseas with bat in last 3 years and that suggests how good he has been all these years both home and away.

Outside Ind he is very average and he also played at Edgbaston 2 years ago and the result was the same. He lacks any guile or strategy outside bowling like its a T20 match.

 

[Ab Fan]

Outside Ind he is very average and he also played at Edgbaston 2 years ago and the result was the same. He lacks any guile or strategy outside bowling like its a T20 match.

That’s a case with everyone away from home when compared with their home performance in modern era cricket . It is not common with Jadeja only. Look at Cummins and Rabada for instance or Ashwin and Anderson. It is same story with all bowlers.

What makes Jadeja great is his all round ability which others lack and his away average of 37 with bat in last three years justifies it.

 

[Bewal Express]

That’s a case with everyone away from home when compared with their home performance in modern era cricket . It is not common with Jadeja only. Look at Cummins and Rabada for instance or Ashwin and Anderson. It is same story with all bowlers.

What makes Jadeja great is his all round ability which others lack and his away average of 37 with bat in last three years justifies it.

But they have shown that they are still affective outside home conditions. Jadeja is plain awful and relies totally on dust bowls. If he bowled on the Ind wickets pre 2010s, he would have less caps and wickets than Murli Kartik.

 

[Ab Fan]

But they have shown that they are still affective outside home conditions. Jadeja is plain awful and relies totally on dust bowls. If he bowled on the Ind wickets pre 2010s, he would have less caps and wickets than Murli Kartik.

Would have, could have has no place in world cricket. What matters is fact and reality.

Jadeja has picked 331 international test wickets in 81 tests at avg of 24.5. And for an all rounder, these are phenomenal stats. He picked wickets year after year without leaking much runs And against top teams like Australia, South Africa and England but they couldn’t figure out playing him after 10-12 years in subcontinent and still get out to him cheaply. That’s greatness in my opinion and his batting average of 34 in addition to bowl avg under 25 validates the same. One bad day don’t change the rule. He achieved those stats via years of great performances and not 1-2 series at age of 40. That’s greatness.

 

[mominsaigol]

Would have, could have has no place in world cricket. What matters is fact and reality.

Jadeja has picked 331 international test wickets in 81 tests at avg of 24.5. And for an all rounder, these are phenomenal stats. He picked wickets year after year without leaking much runs And against top teams like Australia, South Africa and England but they couldn’t figure out playing him after 10-12 years in subcontinent and still get out to him cheaply. That’s greatness in my opinion and his batting average of 34 in addition to bowl avg under 25 validates the same. One bad day don’t change the rule. He achieved those stats via years of great performances and not 1-2 series at age of 40. That’s greatness.

Jadeja avg 60 in NZ and 48 in England with the ball, never took a 5 wicket haul either, he is very very lucky he played the weakest version of aus in test with no Smith or Warner, yet still avg close to 30 with 0 5 wicket hauls.

Even then that avg is very swekewed since he only had one good game out of 7 with the ball and hardly bowled after getting slapped a few times as kohli didnt trust him any further.

He's also very lucky he played only 2 games vs SA and had a field day in one game, because he got butchered in the next. Overall avg is 25 but thats due to a fluke game where he mauled sa, the next game jadeja got butchered so bad, bcci effectively retired him from SENA.

WI and India are the only conditions he has ever been good in. I wonder why?

 

[Bewal Express]

Would have, could have has no place in world cricket. What matters is fact and reality.

Jadeja has picked 331 international test wickets in 81 tests at avg of 24.5. And for an all rounder, these are phenomenal stats. He picked wickets year after year without leaking much runs And against top teams like Australia, South Africa and England but they couldn’t figure out playing him after 10-12 years in subcontinent and still get out to him cheaply. That’s greatness in my opinion and his batting average of 34 in addition to bowl avg under 25 validates the same. One bad day don’t change the rule. He achieved those stats via years of great performances and not 1-2 series at age of 40. That’s greatness.

No matter you say, the guy is no better than Chachi Naumi on the dust bowls. A poor bowler on wickets with no help, lacks any guile to wickets and would have played very little before the dust bowl era.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Looking these figures, it is difficult to believe how he achieved this feat in such limited matches

One time, he was seen only as a white ball cricketer and now he is second fastest to reach 300 test wickets and 3000 runs.

Between Botham and IK, not a bad company.

A genuine test all rounder and an ATG.

With Ashwin and Jadeja, Indian team had an unfair advantage.


Players with 300 wickets and 3000 runs.

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[Ab Fan]

No matter you say, the guy is no better than Chachi Naumi on the dust bowls. A poor bowler on wickets with no help, lacks any guile to wickets and would have played very little before the dust bowl era.

Your analysis are quite absurd and laughable to say the least despite me presenting valuable facts and not just opinions. I can’t help if you can’t accept the reality and conclude based on 1 game.

 

[BouncerGuy]

jadeja is a burden for Indian team atm but unfortunately, they dont have real replacement for him atm or they might not be giving enough chances to those guys.

Jadeja should retire now... He is done like kohli and rohit.

 

[Ab Fan]

Looking these figures, it is difficult to believe how he achieved this feat in such limited matches

41 of his 81 tests are played against Australia and England. When those two teams are opponents, you don’t see home and away and simply expect that the player should have performed. Jadeja has achieved those stats by playing top teams and not minnows.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

He did better than how Lyon performed in WTC finals in England, people need to accept that in English conditions spinners are mostly helpless.
Take a look at what happened to Bashir.

 

[mominsaigol]

He did better than how Lyon performed in WTC finals in England, people need to accept that in English conditions spinners are mostly helpless.
Take a look at what happened to Bashir.

More excuses . When do the narratives end .

People need to start observing and learning from me. I never bring in any nonsense narrative to suit an agenda.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

More excuses . When do the narratives end .

People need to start observing and learning from me. I never bring in any nonsense narrative to suit an agenda.

You have suddenly gone into full troll
Mode, there’s absolutely no reason for me to debate with you until you reset yourself.

But koi nahi, one last attempt, do you consider Rangana Herath a good spinner? You know he averages 46 in England and has worse away performances when compared with Jadeja.

If someone like him couldn’t do much damage away then why will I judge Jadeja who is an allroundet by his performance in these horrible conditions for spinners?

I consider Herath the greatest SLAO bowler ever(or maybe second to Bedi), and thus I have no reason to judge Jadeja by his wicket column.

I saw the match and Jadeja created 3 chances in second innings, two of them were dropped, also he kept the economy down unlike Shoaib Bashir, thats more than enough for me, should have done more with the bat though but then again in second innings he was stuck wuth the tail.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

jadeja is a burden for Indian team atm but unfortunately, they dont have real replacement for him atm or they might not be giving enough chances to those guys.

Jadeja should retire now... He is done like kohli and rohit.

Any spinner not named Murali or Warne is a burden in these situations.
For example- Herath

 

[mominsaigol]

You have suddenly gone into full troll
Mode, there’s absolutely no reason for me to debate with you until you reset yourself.

But koi nahi, one last attempt, do you consider Rangana Herath a good spinner? You know he averages 46 in England and has worse away performances when compared with Jadeja.

If someone like him couldn’t do much damage away then why will I judge Jadeja who is an allroundet by his performance in these horrible conditions for spinners?

I consider Herath the greatest SLAO bowler ever(or maybe second to Bedi), and thus I have no reason to judge Jadeja by his wicket column.

I saw the match and Jadeja created 3 chances in second innings, two of them were dropped, also he kept the economy down unlike Shoaib Bashir, thats more than enough for me, should have done more with the bat though but then again in second innings he was stuck wuth the tail.

Remember what I told you, their 2 sides of me on PP.

Ask yourself why I went troll mode? I already stated im willing to discuss with you but shall I share the ss comments that you made after?

Theirs a reason I ss, and its to expose hypocrisy. Blame yourself for going troll mode first .

Anyway Jadeja sucks and is a fraud. One of the worst spinners ive ever seen. Sometimes you need to actually watch players live rather then observing cricketing scorecards and cricinfo which is something you obsessively rely on.

If you didn't, nonsense such as

1) Siddhu > Head

2) Ravi Shastri the Shane Warne Killer

3) Kohli is a goat test cricketer who will easily reach 10K test runs

4) In order for root to surpass Sachin he has to match his away record even though root already is better at home then sachin was on flatter indian pitches .

Infact anyone who followed root, would know that unlike Sachin whos avg kept and kept decling over the years to the point that he was eventually washed up in test cricket and retired with a 53 avg

Root actually raised that avg. In his last 10 test games he's currently avg close to 60. These past 4 years, he's actually been = to Prime Sachin excluding Australia as his avg consistently hovers 53-55. His test resurgence is one of the best comebacks in the history of cricket.

Not saying he is > Sachin but your metrics are total nonsense.

5) The same metrics for garner vs Bumrah and Herath vs Jadeja are so comical that their not worth addressing.

So why on earth would I debate this? It is not worthy of my time.

The only questionable thing that I have ever stated is mostly related to Jaiswal and Pant. Personally I believe they are not as good as people claim. They are great batters but aren't the 2nd coming of sliced bread.

However I will withhold judgement on it.

As for Bumrah chucking, Blame Perth crowd, not me.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Remember what I told you, their 2 sides of me on PP.

Ask yourself why I went troll mode? I already stated im willing to discuss with you but shall I share the ss comments that you made after?

Theirs a reason I ss, and its to expose hypocrisy. Blame yourself for going troll mode first .

Anyway Jadeja sucks and is a fraud. One of the worst spinners ive ever seen. Sometimes you need to actually watch players live rather then observing cricketing scorecards and cricinfo which is something you obsessively rely on.

If you didn't, nonsense such as

1) Siddhu > Head

2) Ravi Shastri the Shane Warne Killer

3) Kohli is a goat test cricketer who will easily reach 10K test runs

4) In order for root to surpass Sachin he has to match his away record even though root already is better at home then sachin was on flatter indian pitches .

Infact anyone who followed root, would know that unlike Sachin whos avg kept and kept decling over the years to the point that he was eventually washed up in test cricket and retired with a 53 avg

Root actually raised that avg. In his last 10 test games he's currently avg close to 60. These past 4 years, he's actually been = to Prime Sachin excluding Australia as his avg consistently hovers 53-55. His test resurgence is one of the best comebacks in the history of cricket.

Not saying he is > Sachin but your metrics are total nonsense.

5) The same metrics for garner vs Bumrah and Herath vs Jadeja are so comical that their not worth addressing.

So why on earth would I debate this? It is not worthy of my time.

The only questionable thing that I have ever stated is mostly related to Jaiswal and Pant. Personally I believe they are not as good as people claim. They are great batters but aren't the 2nd coming of sliced bread.

However I will withhold judgement on it.

As for Bumrah chucking, Blame Perth crowd, not me.

You have gone on a tangent again.

Never claimed Kohli to be a Goat test cricketer, and he is nowhere near Joe root for sure, I have never said these things.

As for Sidhu, I don’t consider him a special player but same hoes for Head, he isn’t a special player in tests.

Sidhu has owned Shane Warne and Murali, there is nothing wrong with that statement and you cannot correct it because it was never wrong, you just refuse to accept the reality.

As for Jadeja, lol at calling him a horrible spinner, horrible spinners are Todd Murphy, Shoaib Bashir, Adil Rashid in tests etc.

Jadeja has performed both on spiinning tracks and flat pitches in Asia and WI.

In Australia his record is amazing too , last BgT his record was bad but then check Nathan Lyons stats in that BgT, the pitches didn’t help spinner at all. Apart from Warne and Murali no other spinner could have delivered there.

As I said even Herath has failed, doesn’t mean he was a horrible spinners, in tests in Sena spinners are actually ineffective because of the nature of pitches and they perform once in a blue moon and when they do it becomes memorable.

Root has to match Sachins away record to be rated at the same level, atleast avg 50+, nothing wrong with my statement. Even you called Joe Root a tier 2 batter in anither thread about Bumrahs,lol. Do you even agree with yourself?

Holding has 249 wickets and is still an ATG, how am i wrong in saying that Bumrah is one too because he has great stats and similar wickets column, also quite sure that he would atleast overtake Holding in wickets, you have absolutely no response to this and thats why you resort to whataboutery.

If Holding and Garner are ATGs then so is Bumrah.
Actually the difference between Bumrahs and other pacers is same as the difference between Smith and Other fab 4 in test cricket.

 

[shaz619]

Good effort, Moeen Ali achieved similar on non-spinning pitches.

 

[Hyder]

jadeja is a burden for Indian team atm but unfortunately, they dont have real replacement for him atm or they might not be giving enough chances to those guys.

Jadeja should retire now... He is done like kohli and rohit.

They have washington and axar. Both ll do what he is doing rn and ll bat better than him.

 

[Hyder]

Remember what I told you, their 2 sides of me on PP.

Ask yourself why I went troll mode? I already stated im willing to discuss with you but shall I share the ss comments that you made after?

Theirs a reason I ss, and its to expose hypocrisy. Blame yourself for going troll mode first .

Anyway Jadeja sucks and is a fraud. One of the worst spinners ive ever seen. Sometimes you need to actually watch players live rather then observing cricketing scorecards and cricinfo which is something you obsessively rely on.

If you didn't, nonsense such as

1) Siddhu > Head

2) Ravi Shastri the Shane Warne Killer

3) Kohli is a goat test cricketer who will easily reach 10K test runs

4) In order for root to surpass Sachin he has to match his away record even though root already is better at home then sachin was on flatter indian pitches .

Infact anyone who followed root, would know that unlike Sachin whos avg kept and kept decling over the years to the point that he was eventually washed up in test cricket and retired with a 53 avg

Root actually raised that avg. In his last 10 test games he's currently avg close to 60. These past 4 years, he's actually been = to Prime Sachin excluding Australia as his avg consistently hovers 53-55. His test resurgence is one of the best comebacks in the history of cricket.

Not saying he is > Sachin but your metrics are total nonsense.

5) The same metrics for garner vs Bumrah and Herath vs Jadeja are so comical that their not worth addressing.

So why on earth would I debate this? It is not worthy of my time.

The only questionable thing that I have ever stated is mostly related to Jaiswal and Pant. Personally I believe they are not as good as people claim. They are great batters but aren't the 2nd coming of sliced bread.

However I will withhold judgement on it.

As for Bumrah chucking, Blame Perth crowd, not me.

Will just say about two things.
Problem with indians is that they overhype their players. Jadeja is a very good economical and good no 8 but not the second coming of warne. But even then he had a very good career and should call it a day now. He is not as bad as you say nor as good as indians claim. He took wkts and took them cheaply. I havent seen impactful test knocks from jadeja however i have seen ashwin save some tests.

As far as bumrah action is concerned,i dont know why no umpire ever has questioned or reported it. Yes his action might be legit but if u think as an umpire how can u never question it. Its not a normal typical action. Everyone with a diff action has always been reported be it usman tariq, ajmal, murli, akhtar, taskin.

 

[mominsaigol]

You have gone on a tangent again.

Never claimed Kohli to be a Goat test cricketer, and he is nowhere near Joe root for sure, I have never said these things.

As for Sidhu, I don’t consider him a special player but same hoes for Head, he isn’t a special player in tests.

Sidhu has owned Shane Warne and Murali, there is nothing wrong with that statement and you cannot correct it because it was never wrong, you just refuse to accept the reality.

As for Jadeja, lol at calling him a horrible spinner, horrible spinners are Todd Murphy, Shoaib Bashir, Adil Rashid in tests etc.

Jadeja has performed both on spiinning tracks and flat pitches in Asia and WI.

In Australia his record is amazing too , last BgT his record was bad but then check Nathan Lyons stats in that BgT, the pitches didn’t help spinner at all. Apart from Warne and Murali no other spinner could have delivered there.

As I said even Herath has failed, doesn’t mean he was a horrible spinners, in tests in Sena spinners are actually ineffective because of the nature of pitches and they perform once in a blue moon and when they do it becomes memorable.

Root has to match Sachins away record to be rated at the same level, atleast avg 50+, nothing wrong with my statement. Even you called Joe Root a tier 2 batter in anither thread about Bumrahs,lol. Do you even agree with yourself?

Holding has 249 wickets and is still an ATG, how am i wrong in saying that Bumrah is one too because he has great stats and similar wickets column, also quite sure that he would atleast overtake Holding in wickets, you have absolutely no response to this and thats why you resort to whataboutery.

If Holding and Garner are ATGs then so is Bumrah.
Actually the difference between Bumrahs and other pacers is same as the difference between Smith and Other fab 4 in test cricket.

1) You claimed he'd reach 10K in your conversation with Mamoon and even argued that he'd get a test resurgence and reach that tier. Their is no fooling me.

2) How many times must I get it through your Head( pun intended) that Head needs to be evaluated as an all format batsmen. Their isn't a single all format batsmennin the world who has excelled in the t20 format and odi format that is > a test specialist.

Not one, Ab is the onpy one who comes to mind but thats cause hes reverse. He sucked in international t20.

Even kohli who is the greatest all format player of all time is terrible in test. Years from now he will be seen as someone who has inflated numbers, 9K runs, a good number of centuries but just an overall awful career excluding a few purple patch series he had.

It's like arguing who is better Steve smith vs Warner? Obviously smith is > test cause thats all he plays, aus forced smith to play odi and t20 bit its obvious from his reactions during t20 wc and odi that he disnt care. Smith knew he wasnt a t20.player and knew he was finished in odi post 2021 but aus lacked the talent pool to replace him.

Head is top 5-7(debatably) greatest all format batter of all time while No one except you obsesses over Sidhu. Sidhu is as irrelevant as flat earthers believing the world is flat.

3) their is nothing wrong with that statement but it is disingenuous and ratty for obvious reasons. The way you phrased it, made it seem like he owned them consistently and in their primes. You never specificied the criteria and eras and which version of murli and Warne.

It's like me claiming every tom dick and Harry bowler kept owning sachin and Bradman during the very initial stages of their career so they are goat bowlers

4) Jadeja is a horrible spinner. Him being > bottom of the barrel spinners means jiggly jack. Its like saying food made with saliva and spit as the main ingredient tastes better then food made with vomit.

5) I never claimed Root > Sachin, you clearly cannot read. I claimed that your rubbish metric isnt applicable for obvious reasons which you yourself agreed with but are arguing for the sake of arguing.

I listed criteria that root needs to be > Sachin. Those are the accurate criteria. Not your rubbish biased metrics that make zero sense.

6) Bumrah is obviously an atg. Not saying he isnt. India has had such rubbish bowling talent that minus shami and bumrah, the rest are all water boy d tier level bowlers who had a few purple patches but faded into irrelevancy. However he is nowhere near the bowlers you mentioned. Which is why cricket isnt always a stats game and you have to analyse stats with qualitative data, otherwise Ryan ten doeshant is statistically the greatest odi batter of all time.

7) Lastly jadeja is rubbish. End of story. Their is no point debating this as the topic is moronic. Jadeja is fraud like Dhoni is. Difference is Dhoni was actually a good odi cricketer but bollywood hyped him to viv Richards level.

Jadeja is rubbish in everything and anything.

 

[mominsaigol]

Will just say about two things.
Problem with indians is that they overhype their players. Jadeja is a very good economical and good no 8 but not the second coming of warne. But even then he had a very good career and should call it a day now. He is not as bad as you say nor as good as indians claim. He took wkts and took them cheaply. I havent seen impactful test knocks from jadeja however i have seen ashwin save some tests.

As far as bumrah action is concerned,i dont know why no umpire ever has questioned or reported it. Yes his action might be legit but if u think as an umpire how can u never question it. Its not a normal typical action. Everyone with a diff action has always been reported be it usman tariq, ajmal, murli, akhtar, taskin.

Ashwin is a good spinner but Overrated.

Jadeja is a genuine fraud however. He got exposed vs NZ because ashwin started ageing and failing.

When playing in dustbowls ashwin bowled so well that batters had no choice but to attack jadeja as the 2nd option.

This gave the Illusion that he was good.

He's had a few outlier games in Sena but thats about it. Its as relevant as Imam ul haq scoring a 150 at a very fast pace against prime.englsnd featuring jofra archer. Its a one off and never happened again.

I listed all the games he performed in. In sa he had one fluke game. Afterwards he got bashed like no tmr. It was so hilarious that bcci effectively retired jadeja from south Africa to prevent the embarassment that would have occurred had jadeja played more matches.

Same is the case in wi and Sri Lanka where he had 1 to 2 good games followed by humiliation however bcci retired him from said venues to avoid that avg increasing beyond 30 as it was surely going to uptill tue 40's.

Its just now they need to play him as bcci has no options primarily because they aren't producing good lower order batters.

They producing great no 1 to no 6, but their no 7 to no 11 are so bad batting wise. Probably the weakest tail in the world. Even Bangladesh tail is stronger batting wise.

Same is the case in Australia where he was extremely lucky to play a rubbish version of Australia.

England and NZ is badly exposing him. And im not just talking about conditonsm during, rain jadeja found a perfect spin spot that troubled the batters despite this they adjusted because he has no spin variations unlike ashwin.

Any good spinner would have used that patch and turn tides however jadeja one note bowling resulting in stokes reverse sweeping like no tmr.

 

[Bewal Express]

Your analysis are quite absurd and laughable to say the least despite me presenting valuable facts and not just opinions. I can’t help if you can’t accept the reality and conclude based on 1 game.

The guy is average going on awful on wickets that arent dust bowls. He is a Pound shop version of Chacha Naumi.

 

[Hyder]

Ashwin is a good spinner but Overrated.

Jadeja is a genuine fraud however. He got exposed vs NZ because ashwin started ageing and failing.

When playing in dustbowls ashwin bowled so well that batters had no choice but to attack jadeja as the 2nd option.

This gave the Illusion that he was good.

He's had a few outlier games in Sena but thats about it. Its as relevant as Imam ul haq scoring a 150 at a very fast pace against prime.englsnd featuring jofra archer. Its a one off and never happened again.

I listed all the games he performed in. In sa he had one fluke game. Afterwards he got bashed like no tmr. It was so hilarious that bcci effectively retired jadeja from south Africa to prevent the embarassment that would have occurred had jadeja played more matches.

Same is the case in wi and Sri Lanka where he had 1 to 2 good games followed by humiliation however bcci retired him from said venues to avoid that avg increasing beyond 30 as it was surely going to uptill tue 40's.

Its just now they need to play him as bcci has no options primarily because they aren't producing good lower order batters.

They producing great no 1 to no 6, but their no 7 to no 11 are so bad batting wise. Probably the weakest tail in the world. Even Bangladesh tail is stronger batting wise.

Same is the case in Australia where he was extremely lucky to play a rubbish version of Australia.

England and NZ is badly exposing him. And im not just talking about conditonsm during, rain jadeja found a perfect spin spot that troubled the batters despite this they adjusted because he has no spin variations unlike ashwin.

Any good spinner would have used that patch and turn tides however jadeja one note bowling resulting in stokes reverse sweeping like no tmr.

Not everyone has to be greatest ever. Some players are good players and thats it. No one take 300 plus wkts and score excess of 3000 runs awein. Chalo he isnt great but he was not that rubbish.
Yes he benefitted from pitches and everything but still 300 wkts and such runs are not easily done. Besides we havent had such great test all rounders of late so he has no competition in fact.


Regarding ashwin he is one of the best readers of game and actually an intelligent knowledgeable cricketer from subcontinent (which is rare).

And india are themselves shooting themselves in the foot. If they want to keep batting intact then they can go for sundar or axar or if they genuinely want some wkt taking option they should look towards some of their leg spinners.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja is an all time great all rounder and comparisons with Sajid and Noman are absurd and laughable. Hundreds of cricketers like Sajid and Noman are found in Mumbai streets playing cricket every week.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not everyone has to be greatest ever. Some players are good players and thats it. No one take 300 plus wkts and score excess of 3000 runs awein. Chalo he isnt great but he was not that rubbish.
Yes he benefitted from pitches and everything but still 300 wkts and such runs are not easily done. Besides we havent had such great test all rounders of late so he has no competition in fact.


Regarding ashwin he is one of the best readers of game and actually an intelligent knowledgeable cricketer from subcontinent (which is rare).

And india are themselves shooting themselves in the foot. If they want to keep batting intact then they can go for sundar or axar or if they genuinely want some wkt taking option they should look towards some of their leg spinners.

I am not claiming he has to be a great and that everyone has to be.

I view Beau Webster in a high regard even though he obviously not a great and by the time he retires its very likely he'll go the James faulkner route.

Aka a semi decent cricketer who people appreciated for their contributions but thats about it.

However simply analysing records are fraudulent. That doesn't just go for jadeja, that goes for sajid and noman are well.

Heck that goes for Shahid Afridi as well who is honestly the biggest con artist of all time.

Its just unfortunately after afridi the likes of shadab, nawaz are so bad that afridi looks like a million dollars.

Agha is a million times > Afridi as an allrounder. So is Hafeez but none of them are even close to afridi in terms of popularity or considered > him because they will never get to

A) Play as many matches

B) Take 541 international wickets although that record isnt great. 398 matches and 395 wickets isnt too bad but its not revolutionary either considering afridi use to bowl in the one ball era as well.

C) similarly they wont surpass his run count, hafeez defo did not in odi and agha wont either.

Afridi will be citizen for SR however 23 avg + 117 sr for a no 7 and many times no 8 isnt bad in odi. Its not great either but not the worst record including his cemturies.

However we all know its fraudulent.

Afridi was a tulla baz player who literally fluked so many of his innings + fluked many of his bowling figures.

His 7-12 is such a fluke. I watched that game live, none od those deliveries were wicket taking, he didnt do anything different but it was one of those days that wi had a brain fade and afridi just happened to also tulla baz with the bat.

Same case with asia cup 2014, massive fluke of an innings.

Jadeja is exactly the same. 3000 runs and wicket tally is no of matches dependent as well.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

@mominsaigol Jadeja is a legendary spin allrounder, no two ways about it.

He has taken wickets on both spin and flat tracks in Asia and WI and has been as successful as any other spinner minus Warne Murali away from home. On top of that he is a 35 averaging batter, a rare player and one of a kind.

You gave absolutely zero reasoning when I compared his record with Herath. Until you come up with logic instead of flaunting your non existent knowledge, the debate is settled.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-2016-17-1030195/match-schedule-fixtures-and-results

The England tour of Ind 2016 was played on flat pattas, Jadeja averaged 25 in this series which was the best amongst all the bowlers.

The likes of Moeen Ali averaged 69 while Adil Rashid averaged 38

This is the series where Kohli scored 650+ and Root scored 490 runs. The whole idiotic argument that Jadeja took wickets only on burners was put to rest in this series itself.

@mominsaigol You didn’t start watching cricket at that time so I can understand.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol Jadeja is a legendary spin allrounder, no two ways about it.

He has taken wickets on both spin and flat tracks in Asia and WI and has been as successful as any other spinner minus Warne Murali away from home. On top of that he is a 35 averaging batter, a rare player and one of a kind.

You gave absolutely zero reasoning when I compared his record with Herath. Until you come up with logic instead of flaunting your non existent knowledge, the debate is settled.

Okay bro debate is settled. Take your 3-0 metric that your inventing even if it seems like you're just making it up.

Never seen someone desperate to beat me that they invented their own metrics .

Like I said, their is no point in discussing Jadeja vs Herath or anyone.

Mamoon, Bewal express and I have covered this topic to death. Go read thise arguments and counter them.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Okay bro debate is settled. Take your 3-0 metric that your inventing and pulling out of your butt.

Never seen someone desperate to beat me that they invented their own metrics .

Like I said, their is no point in discussing Jadeja vs Herath or anyone.

Mamoon, Bewal express and I have covered this topic to death. Go read thise arguments and counter them.

Lets not even talk about Mamoon, lol.
Just a year ago he used to call Ashwin the greatest Asian allrounder surpassing Imran Khan His opinion cannot be taken seriously

As for you and Bewal, you guys have given absolutely no reasoning, which obviously is expected from you.

 

[mominsaigol]

Lets not even talk about Mamoon, lol.
Just a year ago he used to call Ashwin the greatest Asian allrounder surpassing Imran Khan His opinion cannot be taken seriously

As for you and Bewal, you guys have given absolutely no reasoning, which obviously is expected from you.

Yet you liked his comments, and freqently ping him or indirectly refer him to me when he makes a comment that agrees with your ideology .

You people are too funny. Chamcha culture fr.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yet you liked his comments, and freqently ping him or indirectly refer him to me when he makes a comment that agrees with your ideology .

You people are too funny. Chamcha culture fr.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[Ab Fan]

Not to forget Jadeja is arguably the best fielder to come from Asia since test cricket started in Asia. Nobody is close to him in that aspect.

He is the best all rounder since Jacques Kallis as far as Test cricket is concerned.

 

[mominsaigol]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Well maybe you should try fixing the clock instead.

Besides what do you even want to debate? Jadeja vs Herath .

Allah ho Akbar.

 

[Hyder]

I am not claiming he has to be a great and that everyone has to be.

I view Beau Webster in a high regard even though he obviously not a great and by the time he retires its very likely he'll go the James faulkner route.

Aka a semi decent cricketer who people appreciated for their contributions but thats about it.

However simply analysing records are fraudulent. That doesn't just go for jadeja, that goes for sajid and noman are well.

Heck that goes for Shahid Afridi as well who is honestly the biggest con artist of all time.

Its just unfortunately after afridi the likes of shadab, nawaz are so bad that afridi looks like a million dollars.

Agha is a million times > Afridi as an allrounder. So is Hafeez but none of them are even close to afridi in terms of popularity or considered > him because they will never get to

A) Play as many matches

B) Take 541 international wickets although that record isnt great. 398 matches and 395 wickets isnt too bad but its not revolutionary either considering afridi use to bowl in the one ball era as well.

C) similarly they wont surpass his run count, hafeez defo did not in odi and agha wont either.

Afridi will be citizen for SR however 23 avg + 117 sr for a no 7 and many times no 8 isnt bad in odi. Its not great either but not the worst record including his cemturies.

However we all know its fraudulent.

Afridi was a tulla baz player who literally fluked so many of his innings + fluked many of his bowling figures.

His 7-12 is such a fluke. I watched that game live, none od those deliveries were wicket taking, he didnt do anything different but it was one of those days that wi had a brain fade and afridi just happened to also tulla baz with the bat.

Same case with asia cup 2014, massive fluke of an innings.

Jadeja is exactly the same. 3000 runs and wicket tally is no of matches dependent as well.

Agha and afridi are way different tho. Hafeez wasted himself at opening. He would ve been the best lower order bat that we ever had.

As for afridi, as much we hate him we have to see that he still was the best six hitter in country up until hassan nawaz arrived. Haider ali can hit it too. We played ifti and when we look at ifti honestly i feel afridi wasnt such a con. I hated him alot when he used to play recklessly but i missed him too when i saw ifti missing adil rashid whole ass over. And saw khushdil as finisher. Yad tum bahut ay wala scene tha phir to

 

[mominsaigol]

Agha and afridi are way different tho. Hafeez wasted himself at opening. He would ve been the best lower order bat that we ever had.

As for afridi, as much we hate him we have to see that he still was the best six hitter in country up until hassan nawaz arrived. Haider ali can hit it too. We played ifti and when we look at ifti honestly i feel afridi wasnt such a con. I hated him alot when he used to play recklessly but i missed him too when i saw ifti missing adil rashid whole ass over. And saw khushdil as finisher. Yad tum bahut ay wala scene tha phir to

That's not the point. Stats wise afridi isnt that bad. After all he has over 500+ international wickets and 11 international centuries, a strike rate of 117 etc etc.

His portfolio includes the 3rd fastest century in international cricket and originally held the title of 2nd fastest as well vs India before it got broken by many others. However all of them were broken in the 2 new ball era.

He's also hit the most sixes in international cricket that might be broken by rohit soon tbf but he will still be ranked no 2 for ages to come.

A 7-12 best total, not to mention 39 half centuries in odi. He's also played freak innings and has won games for pakistan. 2014 asia cup is just one sample of the many things he did in his career.

Lastly a 23 avg, 117 sr isn't actually bad for a lower order bowling allrounder who played most of his games in the one ball odi era.

But despite said stats anyone who actually watched him play would know that he was the biggest fluke player in history.

Afridi had freak eye hand coordination, his reactions didnt decline until 2015 wc. Due to such reactions he was a gun fielder, great at drs decisions and unless a pacer bowled short balls, afridi would never miss a delivery.

Pace wouldnt bother him and typically you couldnt bowl him or catch him off guard with pace. However he had no technique, no proper cricketing shots, non exiatent footwork, infact ive never seen afridi ever play a front foot or backfoot shot. He only charges down the crease like a mad man sometimes but thats about it.

Almost all of his scores are literally the case of stars aligning and afridi just happening to hit the sweet spot of the bat or mistime a shot to the boundary where their weren't any fielders standing. Otherwise hes just blindly slashing with no rhyme or reason.

Same case with bowling. He has no variation, nor is he intelligent as a bowler, he bowled the exact same way every single time with inconsitent line and lengths that made no sense given the cirrent situations at hand. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't but it was beyond flukish.

However stats and scorecards dont tell you that.

His stats read as average with some ATG knocks and atg bowling figures. Anyone who watched that wi game via a scorecards would assume afridi was a champion.

Aka a rapid fire half century and 7 wickets of 12 runs but if you watched it live, it was a flukish innings with wi collapsing for no reason. Rather then afridi being switched on.

Same case qith his 100 of 45 vs india and 100 of 36.

That day just happened to be his lucky day where everything connected. But stats and scorecards dont tell you this.

Same.is the case with jadeja. Jadeja figures in sa read okay but anyone who watched those games would realise 1st game was a fluke. The 2nd game made it clear that bcci had to ban Jadeja from playing in SA.

In the same.way Pakistan prevented sajid Khan from traveling to sa for the recent test game.

 

[Hyder]

That's not the point. Stats wise afridi isnt that bad. After all he has over 500+ international wickets and 11 international centuries, a strike rate of 117 etc etc.

His portfolio includes the 3rd fastest century in international cricket and originally held the title of 2nd fastest as well vs India before it got broken by many others. However all of them were broken in the 2 new ball era.

He's also hit the most sixes in international cricket that might be broken by rohit soon tbf but he will still be ranked no 2 for ages to come.

A 7-12 best total, not to mention 39 half centuries in odi. He's also played freak innings and has won games for pakistan. 2014 asia cup is just one sample of the many things he did in his career.

Lastly a 23 avg, 117 sr isn't actually bad for a lower order bowling allrounder who played most of his games in the one ball odi era.

But despite said stats anyone who actually watched him play would know that he was the biggest fluke player in history.

Afridi had freak eye hand coordination, his reactions didnt decline until 2015 wc. Due to such reactions he was a gun fielder, great at drs decisions and unless a pacer bowled short balls, afridi would never miss a delivery.

Pace wouldnt bother him and typically you couldnt bowl him or catch him off guard with pace. However he had no technique, no proper cricketing shots, non exiatent footwork, infact ive never seen afridi ever play a front foot or backfoot shot. He only charges down the crease like a mad man sometimes but thats about it.

Almost all of his scores are literally the case of stars aligning and afridi just happening to hit the sweet spot of the bat or mistime a shot to the boundary where their weren't any fielders standing. Otherwise hes just blindly slashing with no rhyme or reason.

Same case with bowling. He has no variation, nor is he intelligent as a bowler, he bowled the exact same way every single time with inconsitent line and lengths that made no sense given the cirrent situations at hand. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't but it was beyond flukish.

However stats and scorecards dont tell you that.

His stats read as average with some ATG knocks and atg bowling figures. Anyone who watched that wi game via a scorecards would assume afridi was a champion.

Aka a rapid fire half century and 7 wickets of 12 runs but if you watched it live, it was a flukish innings with wi collapsing for no reason. Rather then afridi being switched on.

Same case qith his 100 of 45 vs india and 100 of 36.

That day just happened to be his lucky day where everything connected. But stats and scorecards dont tell you this.

Same.is the case with jadeja. Jadeja figures in sa read okay but anyone who watched those games would realise 1st game was a fluke. The 2nd game made it clear that bcci had to ban Jadeja from playing in SA.

In the same.way Pakistan prevented sajid Khan from traveling to sa for the recent test game.

Oh no no no your assesment about afridi is way wrong brother.
Afridi is an underachiever. You can question his ways and his iq but you can not question the talent he possessed. You dont hit multiple 18 ball 50s without talent in one ball era.

People dont realise this but afridi was a good test batter and he ended his career prematurely. As far as i have watched cricket afridi would've worked great in uae for Pakistan as test cricketer. He avgd 35 plus with 85 sr almost in test cricket. He would ve done so much better than asad shafique who we lauded for technique but heart of a chicken.

With jadeja you are being too harsh. He played 2 games in africa and avgs 25 thats it. You cant just say the one where he got wkts was fluke. If thats the case then we ll have to erase all the flukes from stats and history of cricket.
Maxwell inning was a fluke yet you name him ahead of stokes due to that innings. CT17 was biggest fluke. jadeja avg 30 with bat everywhere except sa and avgs 25 or below everywhere except aus nz and eng and even in aus he avgs 30 or less.
Whatever we say he benefitted from dustbowls or pitches or ashwin. But you cant deny the fact that he was a good utility player for india and had much better record than other all rounders. Sajid and noman are doing it for 2 series on most doctored pitches of the last decade. U just can't say every time he performed was a fluke and when he failed that was true reflection of his capabilities. He isnt a great player but isnt a mug player either. More than useful and one of the best modern day all rounders in tests atleast.

 

[Hyder]

Just adding to the above post if jadeja has to be scrutinised for every match every inning then do that with other bowlers too. As someone pointed out herath retired as a legend of the game for srl atleast but if u compare their record by removing india even(where herath was awful) even then jadeja ll have better record. We are not going into inning by inning detail. How did he outperform the best left arm spinner of this gen? Also made more than 3k runs. And was a gun fielder.

He isnt some great but he isnt a lallu panju player too. His time is up and india have better players for now but jadeja while he played was one of the most useful players for india. Others would also perform on such pitches bla bla. Then perform. Not one two series. Nauman chachu did it two series and was wktless in Bangladesh.

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS NOT ABOUT AFRIDI AND HAFEEZ....

WATCH YOUR POSTS NOW.

STOP DERAILING THE THREAD

 

[BouncerGuy]

"Can Talk Whatever You Want": Ravindra Jadeja Responds To England Coach's Bold Remark

India all-rounder Ravindra Jadeja delivered a bold statement in reply to England spin bowling coach Jeetan Patel's remark that the hosts have a "100 per cent" chance to stand triumphant in the second Test. In his scathing reply, Jadeja declared that a team needs to "perform" and take 20 wickets, as anybody can talk whatever they like during a press conference. After the end of the second day's play, filled with a fair share of entertainment, the element of spice entered the picture when Jadeja gave a no-nonsense take on Patel's strong claim about England's chances of success.

In reply to India's daunting 587, England were rattled early after Akash Deep and Mohammed Siraj made early inroads. The duo bowled in tandem and removed Ben Duckett (0), Ollie Pope (0) and Zak Crawley (19) within the blink of an eye. Joe Root and Harry Brook stitched a comeback by raising an unbeaten 52-run stand to propel England to 77/3 at the end of a pulsating day.

Despite the peculiar position England finds itself in, Patel was adamant about the prospect of the Three Lions staging a victory at the end of the second day.

"100 per cent. I've said this many a time in front of all of you, and you keep laughing at me. But we'll go back in there, and we'll have a quick chat about how the day's gone, and what might look forward for tomorrow," Patel told reporters after the end of the second day.

Jadeja, who blazed his way to a priceless 89, didn't mince his words when asked about Patel's claim and said, "In a press conference, you can talk whatever you want, that is none of my business. You have to go out there, perform and take those 20 wickets. That is what matters."

India thrived on its captain Shubman Gill's swashbuckling 269(387), laced with a whopping 30 fours and three towering maximums. Gill tantalised England's bowling attack, bereft of experience, with his surreal strokeplay, a blend of aggression and caution.

England would need a similar performance from its established stars. Patel feels Root and Brook, "the two greatest" batters at the crease, can turn the tide in the hosts' favour.

"I just think we'll find another way to do it. We'll just try to find another way to get over the line. And I think that's the beauty of the team that we have, and the players that we have, and the belief they have in how they want to go and play the game," Patel said.

"We've got two of the greatest batters in the world at the crease at the moment, and hopefully they'll go back in tomorrow, and they really nestle in, and really question what could be a good day's cricket for England," he added.

"Can Talk Whatever You Want": Ravindra Jadeja Responds To England Coach's Bold Remark | Cricket News

India all-rounder Ravindra Jadeja delivered a bold statement in reply to England spin bowling coach Jeetan Patel's remark.

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