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Ravindra Jadeja vs Moeen Ali : Who is the better all-rounder?

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Both are left arm spinners and bat at #7,8 generally

In ODIs, Jadeja is the much better option in my book but people may disagree

What are your thoughts in Tests?

Who would you have in your XI if it came down to the two? Who is better overall?
 
Sir is a much better bowler.

Moeen is a much better batsman.

Will pick Mo in England and Sir in India.
 
Mo Ali miles ahead in my books in terms of batting ... Jadeja is better in bowling but then again we have to see how both perform in the upcomin series... i think Mo Ali can easily bat no4-5 and be successful anywhere in the world, Jadeja wont b.... and Jadeja will never be a main threat anywhere apart from turners of india... so overall Mo Ali gets the nod... and my God how stylish a batsmen he is... love to watch him bat (as long as its not against us :P )
 
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Mo Ali miles ahead in my books in terms of batting ... Jadeja is better in bowling but then again we have to see how both perform in the upcomin series... i think Mo Ali can easily bat no4-5 and be successful anywhere in the world, Jadeja wont b.... and Jadeja will never be a main threat anywhere apart from turners of india... so overall Mo Ali gets the nod... and my God how stylish a batsmen he is... love to watch him bat (as long as its not against us :P )
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Jadeja has a pretty good record almost everywhere though

has done well as a bowler in Indian, WI, SA and even eng i think
 
Moeen as a test batter is head and shoulders above. But as a spinner jadeja is better. ANd in ODI's i would take jadeja but have moeen as a specialist batsman who can bowl a bit.
 
In ODIs Sir is the better allround package which includes his terrific fielding.

In tests it is Moeen - no questions as Jadeja is a non batting entity currently.
 
dani2k said:
In ODIs Sir is the better allround package which includes his terrific fielding.

In tests it is Moeen - no questions as Jadeja is a non batting entity currently.
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tbf Jadeja has played on much tougher pitches from a batting perspective

though on the flip side his bowling figures are slightly flattering as a result of that
 
Moen Ali I think and it's fair enough also as he is the flavour of the season.
 
Slog said:
tbf Jadeja has played on much tougher pitches from a batting perspective

though on the flip side his bowling figures are slightly flattering as a result of that
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Right. But still Jadeja should have done better in his batting which is hardly around 20 (avg). He was initially given the #6 but he flattered to deceive there and now is batting at #8. For a guy with triple centuries in the domestic circuit that is face palmish!
 
Mishra has infact batted better with a few fifties under his belt now forcing Jadeja to be the third choice spinner. Jadeja has to pull up his socks in the batting department to come up the pecking order.

Though in turning pitches, Jadeja would be picked over Mishy as he himself might not know which ball would turn and which wouldnt..leave alone the batsmen :D
 
Moeen is an offie not a SLA.

Both are all-rounders in a loose sense of the word.

Moeen is the far better batsman. Jadeja is a better bowler. Overall Moeen.

Ashwin is more of an all-rounder than these two.
 
In Tests I would have Ali - his batting is far superior to Jadeja's. In odis Jadeja's bowling and fielding has served India well in recent times and I'd have him over Ali in the shorter formats.
 
Moeen can win/set-up the match for you with the bat. Jadeja is a borderline tailender these days..
 
As a test AR, Moeen Ali anyday.

ODI AR, Jaddu.

But for both formats, I would pick Jaddu in my team cos his bowling is lovely. Even outside Asia, his bowling is a weapon if used correctly. Won't be a wicket taker but will keep it tight and come to life when the pitch starts deteriorating.

In T20, Jaddu is over-rated. Bad bowling for most part and ineffective batting against international sides. Didn't see Moeen perform in T20s but I think he will eventually do well.
 
Actually if Moeen improves his ODi consistency, he would be a better AR in ODIs too.

He does have the batting for ODI. As well as bowling. Just needs to get consistent.

Jaddu's strengths is heavily focused on his bowling only.
 
Jaddu is only a bowler, but Mooni is a good batsman, and an average bowler. As an overall package, Mooni is better.
 
Moeen is a bits and pieces cricketer who got lucky against us , his bowling is nothing to write about and is just OK batsman. Jadeja at least is a very good bowler, don't know how he scored two triple hundreds in fc cricket though.
 
Moeen Ali without any shadow of doubt. He is a much much better batsman than jaddu and an excellent off spinner. The only thing jaddu has in his favor is his fielding.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Moeen is a bits and pieces cricketer who got lucky against us , his bowling is nothing to write about and is just OK batsman. Jadeja at least is a very good bowler, don't know how he scored two triple hundreds in fc cricket though.
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WRONG.

3.

Something every other Indian bat can only dream of.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Moeen is a bits and pieces cricketer who got lucky against us , his bowling is nothing to write about and is just OK batsman. Jadeja at least is a very good bowler, don't know how he scored two triple hundreds in fc cricket though.
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Both are bits and pieces cricketers in a way and not true all rounders.
 
Moeen is a much better batsman. Jadeja is a better bowler, but also is the best fielder.

I'd have Jaddu for his fielding alone..
 
As many have already said, Moeen is a better batsman while Jadeja is a better bowler.

Overall, they are equal.
 
Id argue Moeen is doing better than him at this point
 
Moeen is a bat who bowls a bit.

Jaddu is a bowler who bats a bit.

Moeen's bowling > Jaddu's batting.

However Jaddu is a solid support bowler. Takes on immense load. Moeen is not the mainstay of English batting.

So while Moeen is a better test AR ANYDAY, I wouldn't swap him for Jaddu in my team.

Even England would happily swap Moeen for Jaddu in this Indian series.
 
Moeen ahead with his recent performances. Moeen is a much better bat, Jadeja is a slightly better bowler and much better fielder.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Moeen is a bat who bowls a bit.

Jaddu is a bowler who bats a bit.

Moeen's bowling > Jaddu's batting.

However Jaddu is a solid support bowler. Takes on immense load. Moeen is not the mainstay of English batting.

So while Moeen is a better test AR ANYDAY, I wouldn't swap him for Jaddu in my team.

Even England would happily swap Moeen for Jaddu in this Indian series.
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If England had Swann and Panesar, they wouldn't swap Moeen.
 
Moeen Ali will make his team on both his batting and his bowling. Jadeja will not make the Indian team on his batting alone and outside of Asia, he won't make it on his bowling either. Jadeja is an awesome fielder though, his arm is crazy accurate and ridiculously powerful.

Moeen Ali is easily better in all formats.
 
In this current series:

Moeen is averaging 40+ with the bat and 34 with the ball while Jadeja is averaging 19 with the bat and 37 with the ball. Moeen Ali was also the MOTM in the first test.

Even Donald Trump wouldn't pick Jadeja over Moeen in this series, going by their performances in the two matches thus far.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Moeen is a bits and pieces cricketer who got lucky against us , his bowling is nothing to write about and is just OK batsman. Jadeja at least is a very good bowler, don't know how he scored two triple hundreds in fc cricket though.
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2 of his triple hundreds were scored in Rajkot and Surat. Geoffrey Boycott's Aunt Annie could play on these pitches even after two port and lemons inside her.
 
Bilal7 said:
In this current series:

Moeen is averaging 40+ with the bat and 34 with the ball while Jadeja is averaging 19 with the bat and 37 with the ball. Moeen Ali was also the MOTM in the first test.

Even Donald Trump wouldn't pick Jadeja over Moeen in this series, going by their performances in the two matches thus far.
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Jadeja fulfills a need in the Indian team of being a support bowler. With Ash and Jayant in the team, and with England playing with 7 lefties, India don't need a strike bowler for the 2nd spinner. We need someone who can contain the batsmen.

Also, if Jadeja was playing for England, he would have been used as a strike bowler instead of a support bowler. So his bowling figures would have been better.

And you can't just compare averages in 2 tests to compare the players. You have to look at the overall impact in subcon pitches, including Moeen's performances in Bangladesh and UAE
 
Moeen is the more valued player however, Jadeja is probably the best fielder going around these days and would walk into teams like Australia any day of the week.
 
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Jadeja's batting is a joke now. Decline has been so steep, he may soon lose his ODI spot, his fielding prowess being the only thing keeping him safe.
 
Sidilicious said:
Jadeja fulfills a need in the Indian team of being a support bowler. With Ash and Jayant in the team, and with England playing with 7 lefties, India don't need a strike bowler for the 2nd spinner. We need someone who can contain the batsmen.

Also, if Jadeja was playing for England, he would have been used as a strike bowler instead of a support bowler. So his bowling figures would have been better.

And you can't just compare averages in 2 tests to compare the players. You have to look at the overall impact in subcon pitches, including Moeen's performances in Bangladesh and UAE
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We don't know what Jadeja would have done if he was English instead of Indian. That is a whole lot of assuming. I was responding to people saying that England would pick Jadeja over Moeen Ali in this series which is nonsense. Moeen has been a proper all-rounder for them in this series and has batted and bowled very well. Jadeja has been poor in comparison.

How did Jadeja do in the UAE?
 
I don't consider Jaddu as all rounder anymore. He is a slogger good enough for some quick fire 20 runs.

Jaddu is a better bowler and Ali is miles a head of Jaddu in batting.

If it's a turner, I will select Jaddu. If it is a flat pitch like Rajkot, Ali any day.
 
Sometimes looking at a situation helps.....

England needs a steady spinners...so its easily understandable that they would pick Jaddu over Moeen.

If they had Swann and Panesar, no way would they pick Jaddu over Moeen.

Moeen had one good spell in this series with the ball (the main area where England wants his help in THIS series). Apart from that, majority of his wickets were pure fluke.

If you want a breakdown, I am happy to oblige..

1st test 2nd innings:

Saha - Half tracker made a mess by Saha while he tried to cut it for 4. Out.
Ashwin - Slog cos he wanted to get a 6 since single wasn't possible with last wicket on strike.

1st test 2nd innings:

Rahane - Half tracker...hits a crack jags back, hits Rahane's pads and onto stumps

2nd test 1st innings:

Kohli - Good delivery.
Saha - Good delivery
Jadeja - Good delivery but missing stumps. Didn't review.

Ash could have been out too if not for dropped catch but then, the single is what helped Moeen get Kohli the next ball. This was the good spell I was talking about.

2nd test 3rd innings:

Shami - Straight ball. Shami's leg were on line. Out.

This is the bowling when England expects Moeen to be the MAIN spinner (harsh on him in my opinion but that's the req).

Mind you, I am not saying he bowled trash. He bowled tight but without much guile. Has performed better than Jaddu uptil now but if England has an option of Jaddu vs Moeen for THIS series, they would most likely go for Jaddu who bowls LONG SPELLS with control and doesn't have to be hidden by pacers.

English spinners get protected by pacers when they go off-boil which the averages don't reveal. Indian spinners take on the major burden.

So let's wait for the whole series to play out.

Moeen could win but I expect Jaddu to come roaring back soon enough with the ball atleast.

As an AR, the winner is clear and its Moeen.
 
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Slog said:
Both are left arm spinners and bat at #7,8 generally

In ODIs, Jadeja is the much better option in my book but people may disagree

What are your thoughts in Tests?

Who would you have in your XI if it came down to the two? Who is better overall?
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Moeen Ali is the greatest and world's best A/R across all formats he is an automatic selection in a squad, can't say about RJ
 
This is a very poor comparison all things considered. Haven't seen anyone offer any good reasons for Jadeja being the better all-rounder. The only question is whether Ali's weaker skill is better than Jadeja's strongest one. So compare their bowling instead.
 
Jadeja is a slogger rather than all rounder
 
Ali is better as a complete package , much better batsmen . Jadeja though is a notch above him bowling . I think both are pretty underrated .
 
for the ODI's though , its a lot closer cos of Jadejas LOI bowling. I may still go with Ali if am short of an opener , he's one of the better ones in the world if used properly .
 
Moeen is a more useful package these days. Jadeja is a support bowler who can bat a bit.
 
Moeen Ali.

I don't even remember a match winning knock from jadeja. He doesn't deserve to play as a batsman alone. As far as his bowling is concerned he can only take wickets in india and other neighbouring countries. Moeen Ali on the other hand has played some crucial knocks in the tests and have bowled well in england too.
 
Moeen's batting is way too superior for this to be a valid comparison. It's better to compare Adil Rashid with Jadeja.
 
anindo said:
Moeen's batting is way too superior for this to be a valid comparison. It's better to compare Adil Rashid with Jadeja.
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I agree. Ali vs Ashwin and Rashid vs Jadeja would be better comparisons.
 
Moen is defn better than RJ who has been very disappointing offlate.
 
Moeen is not only a much better batsmen, but even on the bowling front, he is a much more consistent performer.

Jadeja only offers you something on a wearing pitch. All he does is dart the ball. If the pitch is flat and bounce is true, then he simply is not a wicket taking option.
 
shaz619 said:
Moeen Ali is the greatest and world's best A/R across all formats he is an automatic selection in a squad, can't say about RJ
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Shakib and Ashwin to a lesser extent, probably rank as better spin bowling all rounders than Moeen Ali.
 
Zahid87 said:
Shakib and Ashwin to a lesser extent, probably rank as better spin bowling all rounders than Moeen Ali.
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Shakib is his only competition but both would make the squad of world XI across all formats
 
Moeen Ali is more skilled and better statistically than Jadeja, but the latter has a bigger impact on the game.
 
Zahid87 said:
Moeen is not only a much better batsmen, but even on the bowling front, he is a much more consistent performer.

Jadeja only offers you something on a wearing pitch. All he does is dart the ball. If the pitch is flat and bounce is true, then he simply is not a wicket taking option.
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Hardly true.

Moeen is just as bad if not much worse than Jaddu on pitches that have nothing.

Check their country wise split ups and it will be identical. But difference is Jaddu can give you excellent control for the pacers to do their work. For example, in England Moeen's economy is 4.05....Jaddu's is 2.69.....same amount of wickets per game both have. In a real match situation, that economy makes a huge difference in terms of pressure.

Jaddu is a good performer even on flattish Asian pitches contrary to popular myth that he can only get wickets on rank turners/heavy spin tracks. Going through a not so great patch now.

If you let both of them play in various countries over time, you will see the gap emerging significantly.

As a batsman, there is no competition between these two. Jaddu is a glorified tailender.
 
Jadeja is much better bowler and Ali is much better batsman. Overall, I think Ali is a better all rounder because his weaker skill set is better than Jadeja's weaker skill set.
 
Zahid87 said:
Moeen is not only a much better batsmen, but even on the bowling front, he is a much more consistent performer.
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Simply not true.

Ali career average is 39 with economy rate is 3.7-3.8.

Jadeja away average is 41 with economy rate of 2.6

Above stats has no India for Jadeja and BD is included for Ali.


Ali will lose the match for you if he bowls lots of overs in test match by providing no control to his captain.
 
Jaddu is not an all rounder.

Comparison should be between Ashwin and Moen Ali.
 
troodon said:
Comparison should be between Ashwin and Moen Ali.
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Their batting can be compared, but that's about it. Too huge a gap as bowler to make a decent comparison. Ali is mostly a part timer who get pushed by a main spinner role by Eng. There is a reason that Eng failed big time in BD and failed to capitalize after being in such a strong position in first test in India. They have crappy spinners.
 
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I am not sure if any of them can be called a proper all-rounder.

They are listed as "All-rounder", because Moeen makes the team as a combination of 5th bowler & 6th batsman, while Jaddu is probably a bit better in that regard, because in IND at least, he makes the team as 4th bowler & definitely not a Tail-ender. I am not sure if Moeen would have ever made the ENG team only as a batsman (may be now, as he is in great form, but players with similar stats will never make ENG team as specialist batsman), but Jaddu probably still makes the team as a spinner in IND.

As all-rounder, over-all I'll go for Moeen, but in their best & on favorable condition, Jaddu is the better match winner in Test. In ODI, Jaddu was far better till last year, but since then he has declined big time - not sure, if he makes the ODI team ahead of Axer/Mishra now as his bowling has declined & batting hardly exists now days. On contrary, Moeen is becoming a very useful ODI all-rounder, who bowls 10 overs & can bat across the batting order. Both of them are very good fielders, but Jad is among the best in world as an all-round fielder.

I think, Jaddu is fading away fast while Moeen is getting stronger by every series - I won't be surprised, if Jaddu loses his Test spot after home series, but Moeen will be almost certainly there for best part of a decade going forward for ENG set-up in all 3 formats. He is almost there to make the ENG Test team simply as batsman.
 
Zahid87 said:
Moeen is not only a much better batsmen, but even on the bowling front, he is a much more consistent performer.

Jadeja only offers you something on a wearing pitch. All he does is dart the ball. If the pitch is flat and bounce is true, then he simply is not a wicket taking option.
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Most people makes the common mistake of thinking Jaddu as a rank turner bully. His record is outstanding on turners, but he has equally an important role in Tests outside home (Asia). He averages 40+, but with an economy of <2.6, which itself is a great contribution & it allows the Captain to check the scoring & attack from other end. Over-all, Indian attack or the batting isn't good enough to win series away, more over Ashwin is probably inferior than Jad out-side Asia with ball, which hardly helps winning Tests outside. In fact, among bowlers, I think Jadeja does better than most when it comes to role profile - in 14 innings, out-side Asia, he has bowled almost 350 overs at an economy of ~2.6; if I consider complete innings, this'll come to a simulated bowling figure of 34-10-85-2 - that's damn good from your 4th bowler & 2nd spinner.
 
Rashid is a better all rounder than both of them
Only leg spinner left in the game
I am big fan of jadeja and all he has achieved and moeen continues to contribute
But rashid has been sensational with his current form and how he performs wonders even on rank turners
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
If England had Swann and Panesar, they wouldn't swap Moeen.
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Pakistan would rather have Moeen than Jaddu, need a fifth bowler who can bat at 6.

Eng at the moment would definitely opt of Jadeja.

Depends on the team's current requirements. Whether they need a batsman or a spinner primarily.
 
MMHS said:
I am not sure if any of them can be called a proper all-rounder.

They are listed as "All-rounder", because Moeen makes the team as a combination of 5th bowler & 6th batsman, while Jaddu is probably a bit better in that regard, because in IND at least, he makes the team as 4th bowler & definitely not a Tail-ender. I am not sure if Moeen would have ever made the ENG team only as a batsman (may be now, as he is in great form, but players with similar stats will never make ENG team as specialist batsman), but Jaddu probably still makes the team as a spinner in IND.

As all-rounder, over-all I'll go for Moeen, but in their best & on favorable condition, Jaddu is the better match winner in Test. In ODI, Jaddu was far better till last year, but since then he has declined big time - not sure, if he makes the ODI team ahead of Axer/Mishra now as his bowling has declined & batting hardly exists now days. On contrary, Moeen is becoming a very useful ODI all-rounder, who bowls 10 overs & can bat across the batting order. Both of them are very good fielders, but Jad is among the best in world as an all-round fielder.

I think, Jaddu is fading away fast while Moeen is getting stronger by every series - I won't be surprised, if Jaddu loses his Test spot after home series, but Moeen will be almost certainly there for best part of a decade going forward for ENG set-up in all 3 formats. He is almost there to make the ENG Test team simply as batsman.
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I think aksar is playing well , but in India Dhoni will still back Jadeja. Once Virat is captain we can expect some changes.
 
MMHS said:
Most people makes the common mistake of thinking Jaddu as a rank turner bully. His record is outstanding on turners, but he has equally an important role in Tests outside home (Asia). He averages 40+, but with an economy of <2.6, which itself is a great contribution & it allows the Captain to check the scoring & attack from other end. Over-all, Indian attack or the batting isn't good enough to win series away, more over Ashwin is probably inferior than Jad out-side Asia with ball, which hardly helps winning Tests outside. In fact, among bowlers, I think Jadeja does better than most when it comes to role profile - in 14 innings, out-side Asia, he has bowled almost 350 overs at an economy of ~2.6; if I consider complete innings, this'll come to a simulated bowling figure of 34-10-85-2 - that's damn good from your 4th bowler & 2nd spinner.
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Would love to see the numbers if we remove the recent WI away series. :moali is better currently.
 
I think Jadeja is more accurate as a bowler. He keeps it tight , does not have much variation.
 
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