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[Report] ICC approves the hybrid model for the Champions Trophy 2025 following an agreement between the PCB and BCCI [Post Updated #4739]

May be the constitutional Court of Pakistan can look into it, or may be Munirla can pull strings from somewhere, anyhow a kick in the teeth to PCB.

No wonder Justice Cooke said "Clowns work in PCB"
 
Here are the views of Mastermind ( Najam Sethi) of Hybrid model.

He is think Champion trophy will held in hybrid model also taking dig at Ramiz Raja statement " Pakistan will not travel for india to Play world Cup 2023 if india refused to comes to Pakistan for Asia cup "

 
RidiculousMan said:
India should simply opt out of Champions Trophy. Majority of tournaments and series happen without India. The world Cricket will survive without India playing a Champions Trophy. I'm sure you'll agree.
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Except India Australia and England rest of the boards depend on the ICC annual revenue share for survival. This revenue share makes a major part of their budget.

As per Rameez Raja, 50 per cent of PCBs annual budget is dependent on ICC share.

If CT is played without India, the territory that brings 80-90 per cent of ICC revenue, there will be massive fall in the revenue. And after deducting the hosting cost there will not be much left for the boards.

How will these boards survive? Moreover why will they agree to take these losses.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Except India Australia and England rest of the boards depend on the ICC annual revenue share for survival. This revenue share makes a major part of their budget.

As per Rameez Raja, 50 per cent of PCBs annual budget is dependent on ICC share.

If CT is played without India, the territory that brings 80-90 per cent of ICC revenue, there will be massive fall in the revenue. And after deducting the hosting cost there will not be much left for the boards.

How will these boards survive? Moreover why will they agree to take these losses.
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50% is nothing. One tournament. PCB will survive and so will other boards. It's all hoax. If it were the case then world Cricket would not be playing any leagues or series with each other.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Except India Australia and England rest of the boards depend on the ICC annual revenue share for survival. This revenue share makes a major part of their budget.

As per Rameez Raja, 50 per cent of PCBs annual budget is dependent on ICC share.

If CT is played without India, the territory that brings 80-90 per cent of ICC revenue, there will be massive fall in the revenue. And after deducting the hosting cost there will not be much left for the boards.

How will these boards survive? Moreover why will they agree to take these losses.
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There hasn’t been a champions trophy for 7 years, everyone has survived and will be fine without India for this tournament.
 
Hellion said:
Fair decision. Drainage is pathetic at Rawalpindi , Lahore is the most polluted city in the world and pitches will be tampered with using industrial fans.

Hybrid model it is
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May well be a blessing if your not going to chase 110 against them sit home.. your just going to bring washed up Kohli sharma into form.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Except India Australia and England rest of the boards depend on the ICC annual revenue share for survival. This revenue share makes a major part of their budget.

As per Rameez Raja, 50 per cent of PCBs annual budget is dependent on ICC share.

If CT is played without India, the territory that brings 80-90 per cent of ICC revenue, there will be massive fall in the revenue. And after deducting the hosting cost there will not be much left for the boards.

How will these boards survive? Moreover why will they agree to take these losses.
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Playing one tournament without India doesn't bring anyones survivial into question :ROFLMAO:
 
TheSultan said:
There hasn’t been a champions trophy for 7 years, everyone has survived and will be fine without India for this tournament.
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This is hoax. There are non Indian companies that want to sponsor ICC tournaments as well. Albeit for a little less money.

Once India is cornered. There sponsors will get frustrated as well because of no opportunity to make much money outside of IPL window.

Like many other non Indian tournaments and leagues. Champions Trophy 2025 will be successful as well and all boards will survive without India. But Indians won't think of this possibility because that would mean viewing world Cricket without being on the top seat of BCCI right now.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Other sponsors. There are plenty ones, non Indians specially who would like to sponsor a flagship ICC tournament in Pakistan without India even. After all many tournaments, leagues and series happen around the world with single Indian in it. They are going strong.
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Which other sponsors? Where are they? Why haven't they come up yet?

If PCB can bring sponsors to offset the loss of Indian broadcaster(Brings in 90 per cent of the total broadcast revenue) and sponsors, they can convince the boards to play without India.
 
I think ICC will announce schedule on 11 November before PCB can give official reply on India pulling out.
 
RidiculousMan said:
50% is nothing. One tournament. PCB will survive and so will other boards. It's all hoax. If it were the case then world Cricket would not be playing any leagues or series with each other.
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50 per cent of budget is nothing. Okay. Convince the boards.

PCBs annual share is nearly $35mn.
 
Im sure a number of international series post tiny profits or even losses. So what. Life goes on as will cricket. Play the tournament without India. No biggie.
 
shaz619 said:
They’ve seen the spinning pitches and chickened out.

They don’t want to go toe to toe with the great Rizwan either.
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My theory is that BCCI wouldn’t refuse to tour if Pakistan didn’t appoint Rizwan as captain. The guy would try to make this all about the will of God….






I’m joking I’m joking everyone. Don’t shoot me for this
 
adi_62941 said:
I think ICC will announce schedule on 11 November before PCB can give official reply on India pulling out.
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They has already postponed the 11 November event after india conveyed their decision to ICC.. read the Cricinfo Full story.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Cause we never recently had an ICC tournament without India.

Tune into to non Indian leagues, tournament and series to see those other sponsors.
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Exactly.

Some people make it sound like cricket would stop without India.

ICC should look to reduce dependence on India/BCCI so that this blackmail can be stopped.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Cause we never recently had an ICC tournament without India.

Tune into to non Indian leagues, tournament and series to see those other sponsors.
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Oh bhai your recent series ( Eng - Pak) broadcasting right was sold at the last moments( only UK) with so much low money.
 
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I must say. As a Cricket fan I'm surprised to see you take on this corporate capitalistic stance over Cricket. @cricketjoshila

A genuine Cricket fan one would never compromise Cricket over anything. Even money.
 
Devadwal said:
Oh bhai your recent series ( Eng - Pak) broadcasting right was sold at the last moments with so much low money.
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This is more so of the PCB incompetence and reflects the economic situation of the country which is in right now.
 
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RidiculousMan said:
Cause we never recently had an ICC tournament without India.

Tune into to non Indian leagues, tournament and series to see those other sponsors.
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Again. If they are such big sponsors why haven't they paid big money to the ICC?

PSL is a league that sells its rights for 15mn a year. IPL is a league that sells its rights for $1bn plus a year.

That's the difference between the two sponsors.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Again. If they are such big sponsors why haven't they paid big money to the ICC?

PSL is a league that sells its rights for 15mn a year. IPL is a league that sells its rights for $1bn plus a year.

That's the difference between the two sponsors.
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We aren't having IPL. We are having Champions Trophy.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Except India Australia and England rest of the boards depend on the ICC annual revenue share for survival. This revenue share makes a major part of their budget.

As per Rameez Raja, 50 per cent of PCBs annual budget is dependent on ICC share.

If CT is played without India, the territory that brings 80-90 per cent of ICC revenue, there will be massive fall in the revenue. And after deducting the hosting cost there will not be much left for the boards.

How will these boards survive? Moreover why will they agree to take these losses.
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Ramiz Raja is a clown, that 50% from ICC comes because ICC earns revenue from matches played by Pakistan against all teams except India & few WC matches against India. Pakistan should simply stop playing India in any ICC tournament except SF & final, they should be in different group. ICC's earning and all hype from international tournaments will come down heavily when Pakistan doesn't play "Super Sunday" match against India. More than PCB there are other boards who need ICC's money for their survival. Yes, PCB will take financial hit but some other ICC members may become bankrupt. International Cricket is already dying in Aus, Eng, NZ & SA, it's surviving only on mad Asian viewership. This will also come down gradually. There is not much difference in the financial condition of PCB, ECB, BCB & RSA.
 
How come india allow pakistan to take advantage of superior indian market. Not gonna happen. Modi is a shrewd leader especially when dealing with non-civil and non political government regimes.
 
RidiculousMan said:
They'll be losing millions anyways once Pakistan decides to not play India in tournaments
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Pakistanis thought the same when they didn't come to the IPL in 2009.

IPL earns billions. No Pakistani plays. Its broadcast is banned in Pakistan.

BCCI's home series rights go for $8mn a match. Pakistan team isn't involved.

So Indian sponsors and broadcasters don't care if pakistanis play. And these are the sponsors and broadcasters who bring 80-90 per cent revenue.
 
zaidihusain said:
Please check the list of top 50 most polluted cities in the world in Google. More than 80% cities are from India

www.iqair.com

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From the same website , Pakistan is even more polluted

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zaidihusain said:
Ramiz Raja is a clown, that 50% from ICC comes because ICC earns revenue from matches played by Pakistan against all teams except India & few WC matches against India. Pakistan should simply stop playing India in any ICC tournament except SF & final, they should be in different group. ICC's earning and all hype from international tournaments will come down heavily when Pakistan doesn't play "Super Sunday" match against India. More than PCB there are other boards who need ICC's money for their survival. Yes, PCB will take financial hit but some other ICC members may become bankrupt. International Cricket is already dying in Aus, Eng, NZ & SA, it's surviving only on mad Asian viewership. This will also come down gradually. There is not much difference in the financial condition of PCB, ECB, BCB & RSA.
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ICC doesn't get a dime from the matches Pakistan plays outside of ICC tournaments.

80-90 per cent of ICC revenues come from Indian territory. Not Pakistan.

ECB is way ahead of PCB. So is CA.

Rest boards not so.
 
RidiculousMan said:
I must say. As a Cricket fan I'm surprised to see you take on this corporate capitalistic stance over Cricket. @cricketjoshila

A genuine Cricket fan one would never compromise Cricket over anything. Even money.
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Interesting. That rules out all the boards and the ICC as genuine cricket fans. Because, all of them are only about money. Everything else is secondary.

If they weren't about money, things for CT would have been in place a long time ago.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistanis thought the same when they didn't come to the IPL in 2009.

IPL earns billions. No Pakistani plays. Its broadcast is banned in Pakistan.

BCCI's home series rights go for $8mn a match. Pakistan team isn't involved.

So Indian sponsors and broadcasters don't care if pakistanis play. And these are the sponsors and broadcasters who bring 80-90 per cent revenue.
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Exactly. I had mentioned this to Devadwal. Here's my comment.

You proved my point. In world Cricket you initially may think that you need people of a certain country to make a tournament successful but you don't really. Everything grows out, adapts and succeeded on their own.
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The BCCI will be there for sure to collect their cheques from the ICC Pakistan matches begging bowl pot
 
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Probably a wise decision all things considered. Indian national side looks to be on the decline, and Pakistan seems set to come out of theirs, at least to some degree. India could easily have been embarrassed by taking a good beating from Pakistan. Avoiding any competition could save them some humiliation.
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Technics 1210 said:
Naah, in the Aane do series, India had just won the WC at home, invited Pakistan to play 3 ODIs, pumped the series as a forgone conclusion, and Pakistan ended up humiliating India on their turf.

Tendulkar bailed from the series though as cowards do, not that he would have made any difference though.

India could have easily embarrassed Pakistan then, but never have. Pakistan has embarrassed India on their soil, and on foreign soil too, and continue to do so.

India is just scared of being humiliated again.
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You guys are taking the discussion to a completely different direction. Cricket is not the reason why BCCI is reluctant to send its team to Pakistan. If BCCI was scared of facing Pakistan, why would they play in neutral grounds? Why would they intentionally put them in the same group in every ICC/ACC events and also host them in Modi stadium. Does any of these suggest India is scared of facing PCT? Also, if Pakistan beat India in Lahore that will be far from humiliation as it is the home ground for PCT.

BCCI don't want to send its team for political reasons and it has absolutely got nothing to do with cricket. When Rohit Sharma pull shot a cricket ball, it will land on the stands - Lahore or Lucknow doesn't matter. I know you guys are getting tad arrogant after some wins recently but India is still a far superior team.

This is pure politics and I don't agree with BCCIs stance. But lets not make the mockery of things accusing Indians being scared of facing Pakistan.
 
shaz619 said:
The BCCI will be there for sure to collect their check from the ICC Pakistan matches begging bowl pot
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Others country are taking the revenue generated by BCCI through ICC. They don't have any self respect :kp
 
Looks like the BCCI’s(India's) bravery has taken an early flight. They would rather send a postcard to Pakistan than the Indian team for the ICC Champions Trophy. :facepalm :inti
 
It’s sad politics and cricket shouldn’t mix.

Yes in theory we should let India boycott the tournament. But in practice it won’t work, it’ll hurt all of the other countries significantly. It’s not worth it especially for the greater good of all cricketing nations.

Best to have a hybrid tournament where India don’t need to play their matches in Pakistan.

I get the whole taking a stand, and India is wrong to do this. But we have to look what we can control, and better ties with the other cricketing nations is the way forward. Those other countries will not want to suffer for the sake of Pakistan’s plight.
 
cricketjoshila said:
ICC doesn't get a dime from the matches Pakistan plays outside of ICC tournaments.

80-90 per cent of ICC revenues come from Indian territory. Not Pakistan.

ECB is way ahead of PCB. So is CA.

Rest boards not so.
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Do you mean ICC doesn't earn anything from matches Pakistan play against teams except India in ICC events? From where you got this info?

Who told you ECB is way ahead of PCB? See below data & attached picture for your reference.

10. NZC - New Zealand Cricket | $9 million
9. WICB - West Indies Cricket Board | $15 million
8. SLC - Sri Lanka Cricket | $20 million
7. ZCB - Zimbabwe Cricket Board | $38 million
6. CSA - Cricket South Africa | $47 million
5. BCB - Bangladesh Cricket Board | $51 million
4. PCB - Pakistan Cricket Board | $55 million
3. ECB - England and Wales Cricket Board | $59 million
2. CA - Cricket Australia | $79 million
1. BCCI - Board of Control for Cricket in India | $2.2
5 billion
 

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OMG, enough is enough.

BCCI was smart enough to wait until Naqvi ran his mouth off, and to only then announce their refusal. Let's see what this joker does now...Knowing who is in government, wouldn't be surprised if this tournament his held in Dehli instead of Pak.

We all know how this goes -- Pak will posture, Pak will eventually accept an hybrid, Pak will visit India at its first chance saying "we'll show them and beat them in their own backyard," Pak will utterly get smashed in India...rinse and repeat.

As much as the BCCI sucks, we can't demand respect if we don't have any for ourselves.

Please, for once, take a stand and stand on your principles...
 
Pakistanis need to convince the other boards that

1. Pakistan can arrange enough sponsors to offset loss of Indian sponsors and broadcasters.

Or

2. Other boards need to lose millions for the sake of supporting Pakistan.
 
If it’s going to be in hybrid then their shouldn’t be any India and Pakistan game unless they both qualify for final

Group 1 : Pakistan and other teams play their games in Pakistan

Group 2 : India and 3 other teams play in UAE

Semi finals both take place in Pakistan unless India qualifies . So one semi final can be UAE . And other in Pakistan . ( if Pakistan qualifies they will play at home)

Final : takes place in Pakistan if India doesn’t qualify

That’s what PCB can do best .
 
Devadwal said:
Others country are taking the revenue generated by BCCI through ICC. They don't have any self respect :kp
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Revenue generated by Pakistan, without Pakistan ya”ll don’t eat well, this is why India show up to play Pakistan in ICC tournies
 
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ads101 said:
It’s sad politics and cricket shouldn’t mix.

Yes in theory we should let India boycott the tournament. But in practice it won’t work, it’ll hurt all of the other countries significantly. It’s not worth it especially for the greater good of all cricketing nations.

Best to have a hybrid tournament where India don’t need to play their matches in Pakistan.

I get the whole taking a stand, and India is wrong to do this. But we have to look what we can control, and better ties with the other cricketing nations is the way forward. Those other countries will not want to suffer for the sake of Pakistan’s plight.
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This is true enough, Pakistan should not be in a position where it is reliant on funds from a nation that hates them so deeply. Your enemies are not responsible for your well being. Build up cricket in Pakistan to be self sufficient, the rest will follow anyway.
 
shaz619 said:
Revenue generated by Pakistan, without Pakistan ya”ll don’t eat well, this is why India show up to play Pakistan in ICC tournies
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Without Pakistan india is earning billion lol . delusion has no limits ..
 
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BCCI verbally tells ICC India won't travel to Pakistan for Champions Trophy: Sources​


The Board of Control for Cricket in India have verbally communicated to the International Cricket Council (ICC) that India will not travel to Pakistan to play the Champions Trophy. Top BCCI sources have confirmed the development to India Today and revealed that the board will announce its position after the schedule of the tournament is confirmed.

Champions Trophy, which returns after a break of 8 years will host the top 8 teams in the international circuit. The right to host the tournament is with Pakistan in 2025 and Pakistan Cricket Board chief Mohsin Naqvi has stressed time and again that if India wants to play Pakistan, they have to travel to the rival nation.

A top source in the BCCI confirmed that verbal communication had been sent to the ICC.

"Verbally we have communicated but soon we will send an official mail to ICC about the government directions that we are not travelling to Pakistan for Champions Trophy," a BCCI source told India Today.

When India Today approached ICC for a confirmation a source said they would confirm the news after the schedule of the tournament is announced.

"The schedule is not confirmed, we are still in discussions and dialogue with the host and participating nations on the Champions Trophy schedule, once confirmed we will announce through our normal channels," an ICC source said.

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BCCI verbally tells ICC India won't travel to Pakistan for Champions Trophy: Sources

Indian cricket team will not travel to Pakistan to play the Champions Trophy, BCCI sources have confirmed to India Today. While no written communication between the BCCI and the ICC, it is understood that the apex body has been communicated verbally.
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Caved12 said:
Seeing this behavior from those who should know better is disappointing. Cricket deserves better than to be influenced by hate and division; it should remain a bridge between nations, not a battleground.
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Been there and done that and all that Circa 2004 - 2007. What happened after that ? Well 11/26 in 2008. As sure as night follows day. There is a reason why there is minimal diplomatic relationship with Pakistan.

Thanks but no thanks. Never again.
 
Sounds link India is the richest country in this world with per capita income more than a million. India may be richer than Pakistan but no way near to Australia/England/NZ otherwise all these so called rich Indian go there to work odd jobs. Not all Indians are CEOs.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is true enough, Pakistan should not be in a position where it is reliant on funds from a nation that hates them so deeply. Your enemies are not responsible for your well being. Build up cricket in Pakistan to be self sufficient, the rest will follow anyway.
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Most sensible post

Pakistan needs to focus on rebuilding its economy. Being so dependent on ur arch enemy for economic support is a dangerous idea. Better idea is to create a better economy that forces even ur enemy nations to seek trade & commerce. that's how a quid pro quo relationship can happen and benefit both nations. Like USA & China.

Right now its one way traffic. Pakistan desperately needs Indian support but India could not care less. Unfortunate situation for Pakistan & their fans but as Bill Gates famously said - Life is very unfair, get used to it !

Ranting non stop about what India does will take you nowhere !
 
EspnCricinfo has published an article saying India isn’t coming. Wonder what will happen next
 
Former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif said during a program on a local TV channel:

“This is an ICC event. The cycle has been signed from 2024-2031. All the broadcasters and sponsors have signed about the teams that will participate in the Champions Trophy or the World Cup."

“If a team denies to participate, they need to have a solid reason to justify their call. Just like in 1996, the West Indies and Australia did not go to Sri Lanka but still reached the final. If you make a reason for security, then it is not a solid reason. Teams like Australia, New Zealand, England, and South Africa are coming to Pakistan."

“ICC is existing only because there is Pakistan and India. If the government of Pakistan also says that we won’t play, then the ICC will be of no use as no one will watch the match."

“We can say that India does not want to play bilateral matches, but you can’t deny the ICC events as you already have signed it. India has to make solid ground. If India doesn’t come, Pakistan will take a big step by not participating in the tournament."
 
Shafi said:
Sounds link India is the richest country in this world with per capita income more than a million. India may be richer than Pakistan but no way near to Australia/England/NZ otherwise all these so called rich Indian go there to work odd jobs. Not all Indians are CEOs.
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You know the saying, "Andho mein kaana raja"? That’s kind of how some Indians feel around Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Afghans, Nepalis, and Bangladeshis. But when the real boss, China, enters the conversation, everyone goes quiet. We skip that comparison altogether and just look at Pakistan to boost our self-esteem. :rabada2 :inti
 
India opting out of a tour to Pakistan was always on the cards, so no surprises there. The real twist is that Pakistan keeps coming over, putting their faith in India’s security. Either they have nerves of steel, or they keep getting charmed by the BCCI’s promises, only to end up caught in the same old trap. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
India opting out of a tour to Pakistan was always on the cards, so no surprises there. The real twist is that Pakistan keeps coming over, putting their faith in India’s security. Either they have nerves of steel, or they keep getting charmed by the BCCI’s promises, only to end up caught in the same old trap. :inti
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Dont blame Pakistan. When ur own board chief says PCB wont survive without BCCI money , what can they do

Its like Pakistanis love hating USA & IMF but ultimately has no choice but to bow down to US diktats to get IMF bailout plan or else risk bankruptcy
 
NishanKonar said:
Dont blame Pakistan. When ur own board chief says PCB wont survive without BCCI money , what can they do

Its like Pakistanis love hating USA & IMF but ultimately has no choice but to bow down to US diktats to get IMF bailout plan or else risk bankruptcy
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Really? Did BCCI chief say this? Can you share the article? :inti
 
NishanKonar said:
PCB chief Ramiz Raja said it in 2021 that PCB wud collapse without ICC / BCCI money - hence they cannot afford to boycott India. Something on those lines. U can google it
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Nope. You said 'your own board chief' said this. My board is BCCI. Now please share the statement from BCCI chief. :inti
 
Hawkeye said:
I can only laugh at people who make emotional statements like “cowardice”, “PCB has no backbone”.

While sitting comfortably in their living rooms from Western countries.

If only Pakistan was a rich country and diplomatically liked by the world, we would not be seeing this day.

Pakistan then could afford to host the tournament on its own terms and not care about India not coming to play. ICC too would not have any such issue then, because PCB would be making enough money and contributing millions of dollars to the ICC budget.

That is simply not the case. We are a poor country and poor board, we don’t contribute any revenue to the ICC rather we live on the money that the IND board makes and then gives it to the ICC.

So, it looks absolutely stupid when you take their money and then try to act tough.

It just won’t happen and Pakistan cricket will be in massive losses if we choose to boycott IND. Our cricketers - what will they do? And any young talent coming up.
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Ok then shut down the PCB but atleast keep your self respect.
 
Next in line SL should be invited

It will be wonderful tournament without clown board no need of them
 
All they had to do was make a short trip to Lahore for matches and go back across the border. How petty are these pajeets.

We should never have gone to India for the last WC and it made me sick how our players were behaving like fanboys with the Indian players. All this needs to come to an end.
 
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