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[Reports] Gary Kirsten and Andy Flower being considered for Pakistan Head Coach role

Rana said:
Joke 13 months? Surely no coach in the history of the game has been given the head coach role of an international country as a first stint into coaching? Misbah can use his credentials to find a job as one of the support coaches at Eton college
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Shastri?
 
Well this cant happen soon enough. We have become an international joke.
 
ataullah said:
Do u rate Grant Bradburn? Is he doing well in his role?
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Seems to be. I’m following his progress closely, it’s too early to say but he’s doing all the right things as far as coach training, age group programs, pitch evaluation and improvements (which you can see in the competitiveness of the QeA trophy) go. Evaluation of regional coaches, development of fielding programs, and reeducating the coaches not only about the technical side of the game but also to rethink the approach they take in working with youth and national cricketers.

He was part of the appraisal process that removed Ijaz Ahmed Jr (I can write more about about his bad influence if you want, but I’ll quickly say fixing, backing, Kamran Akmal, Salman Butt, Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal) and replaced him with Shahid Anwar.

He brought in Faisal Iqbal, Abdul Razzaq who have done well, and Basit Ali who has not done well. He will be heading the appraisal process again between this season and next and I expect Basit Ali will either be replaced, or worked with personally to improve his coaching technique.

Grant is also part of the process that upgraded Aizaz Cheema and Umar Gul to mentor roles. So a lot of these small things going on behind the scenes, which I personally like.

Obviously still early on but good signs
 
Khan12 said:
Yes when shan reaches that level he can average 0 for more then a series and you wont hear people talking about dropping him. But shan will never get to that level if he had 100 lives.
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You're completely missing the point which is that NZ is a tough place to tour and a place where its common even for top batsmen to fail, let alone for someone like Shan.
 
Get Rixon back as our fielding coach FGS and pay him top money.
 
I've asked the PCB regarding this and there is total silence. No confirmation or denial at the moment.
 
Saj said:
I've asked the PCB regarding this and there is total silence. No confirmation or denial at the moment.
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Looks like they are about to do a madness...

*Arsene Wenger smirk
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Seems to be. I’m following his progress closely, it’s too early to say but he’s doing all the right things as far as coach training, age group programs, pitch evaluation and improvements (which you can see in the competitiveness of the QeA trophy) go. Evaluation of regional coaches, development of fielding programs, and reeducating the coaches not only about the technical side of the game but also to rethink the approach they take in working with youth and national cricketers.

He was part of the appraisal process that removed Ijaz Ahmed Jr (I can write more about about his bad influence if you want, but I’ll quickly say fixing, backing, Kamran Akmal, Salman Butt, Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal) and replaced him with Shahid Anwar.

He brought in Faisal Iqbal, Abdul Razzaq who have done well, and Basit Ali who has not done well. He will be heading the appraisal process again between this season and next and I expect Basit Ali will either be replaced, or worked with personally to improve his coaching technique.

Grant is also part of the process that upgraded Aizaz Cheema and Umar Gul to mentor roles. So a lot of these small things going on behind the scenes, which I personally like.

Obviously still early on but good signs
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Sounds great. I follow him on twitter and really feel he's very passionate with his role and praising the good work done
 
It’s hypocritical to say that Shastri is a water boy or that Bharat Arun as bowling coach is trundler, when India has probably its best ever bowling set in the last 90 years and best ever all-format team over the last 3-4 years. It’s easy to blame a coach when team is losing but then ignore his contribution when team is at the top.

India could have got almost any head coach and bowling coach in the world- Lilly, Steyn, McGrath, Donald? They are roaming around in the streets of Mumbai or Bangalor half the time when not peddling their stuff in IPL. Wasim, Shoaib, Asif could have come for few dollars. Heck even Imran would have come as an India bowling coach 3 years before he became PM.

India still picked Arun. What could have a supposedly better coach done for India bowling team, short of Increasing everyone’s height by a foot?

Shastri is not ideal but BCCI doesn’t suffer fool and incompetent easily.
 
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Babbar said:
It’s hypocritical to say that Shastri is a water boy or that Bharat Arun as bowling coach is trundler, when India has probably its best ever bowling set in the last 90 years and best ever all-format team over the last 3-4 years. It’s easy to blame a coach when team is losing but then ignore his contribution when team is at the top.

India could have got almost any head coach and bowling coach in the world- Lilly, Steyn, McGrath, Donald? They are roaming around in the streets of Mumbai or Bangalor half the time when not peddling their stuff in IPL. Wasim, Shoaib, Asif could have come for few dollars. Heck even Imran would have come as an India bowling coach 3 years before he became PM.

India still picked Arun. What could have a supposedly better coach done for India bowling team, short of Increasing everyone’s height by a foot?

Shastri is not ideal but BCCI doesn’t suffer fool and incompetent easily.
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Thank you for writing with such clearheaded sense and insight. Unfortunately it will fly over the heads of those that lack the capacity to reflect.
 
Well I'm hearing that one of these 2 has already turned the job down.
 
MMHS said:
Great news then. Gary is a fantastic coach - won a WC for India, in India. Ittefaq se, next WC is also in India.

Grant, I am not sure - guy must be desperate to take revenge on the knife action by YK .... imagine Grant as Head Coach and YK batting coach..... vengeance.
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Typo in the article, it's Andy Flower.
 
Asif321 said:
Waqar should be thrown out too.
Will be Great for Amir . He must be delighted
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Waqar MUST be shown the exit. Matter of fact, he should be removed BEFORE Misbah.

It's his nth stunt with PCB and look where our pace bowling stands today.
 
Babbar said:
It’s hypocritical to say that Shastri is a water boy or that Bharat Arun as bowling coach is trundler, when India has probably its best ever bowling set in the last 90 years and best ever all-format team over the last 3-4 years. It’s easy to blame a coach when team is losing but then ignore his contribution when team is at the top.

India could have got almost any head coach and bowling coach in the world- Lilly, Steyn, McGrath, Donald? They are roaming around in the streets of Mumbai or Bangalor half the time when not peddling their stuff in IPL. Wasim, Shoaib, Asif could have come for few dollars. Heck even Imran would have come as an India bowling coach 3 years before he became PM.

India still picked Arun. What could have a supposedly better coach done for India bowling team, short of Increasing everyone’s height by a foot?

Shastri is not ideal but BCCI doesn’t suffer fool and incompetent easily.
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Lol imran would have never become a coach, that too for India even if you put a gun to his head.

He isnt motivated by lucre.
 
Osman said:
Well if the role has been offered it obviously means Misbah is being shown the door
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Forget batting and bowling mate. False promises and making a fool out of the public is the reason why him and Waqar are probably being shown the door.


How is Mohammad Abbas an elite sports athlete with excellent fitness Standards which others do not meet according to Misbah’s selection criteria?
 
Rana said:
Forget batting and bowling mate. False promises and making a fool out of the public is the reason why him and Waqar are probably being shown the door.


How is Mohammad Abbas an elite sports athlete with excellent fitness Standards which others do not meet according to Misbah’s selection criteria?
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Is Waqar also being removed? Definitely should be. It’s time PCB put a restriction in place to ensure he can’t apply ever again.
 
Osman said:
Is Waqar also being removed? Definitely should be. It’s time PCB put a restriction in place to ensure he can’t apply ever again.
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I would assume so. Makes no sense to keep Waqar on and remove Misbah. Not after we have literally becoming impotent as a bowling side. Younis Khan May also be removed if Andy Flower is to be appointed. There is no way these two will work together. We may end up with a genuine homicide case in the history of cricket if this happens
 
Rana said:
I would assume so. Makes no sense to keep Waqar on and remove Misbah. Not after we have literally becoming impotent as a bowling side. Younis Khan May also be removed if Andy Flower is to be appointed. There is no way these two will work together. We may end up with a genuine homicide case in the history of cricket if this happens
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Graham Gooch as batting coach then? Made a good combo with Flower for England
 
Misbah way out of his depth should be sacked now along with Waqar. Misbah a yes man whose not fit for the post and does not of have an eye for a player. Gary Kirsten would be the ideal candidate.
 
PCB looking for other coaches means Misbah being removed from the position of head coach is a constant variable.

Who is willing to sit on this throne and who is going to do so is something which has to be seen. :smith
 
Osman said:
Graham Gooch as batting coach then? Made a good combo with Flower for England
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Yeah I suppose he is still more qualified than YK who simply doesn’t do anything and let the batsmen do what they want according to him. Not sure why we need a batting coach if that’s all he wants to do
 
Again very unprofessional from PCB instead of leaking news to local media they should have told Misbah personally, there’s a thread 0-300 where two youngsters were sent to face media I guess that cowardly approach is just isn’t Misbahs fault it’s that PCB culture.
I AM NOT A FAN OF MISBAH AND NEVER BEEN
 
Oneking said:
Again very unprofessional from PCB instead of leaking news to local media they should have told Misbah personally, there’s a thread 0-300 where two youngsters were sent to face media I guess that cowardly approach is just isn’t Misbahs fault it’s that PCB culture.
I AM NOT A FAN OF MISBAH AND NEVER BEEN
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Eh? News like this always gets leaked in any sport. Go and watch football, leaks are part of the game and always happen regardless of who's the organisation.
 
Waqar is the main culprit. problem is his superstar attitude. He always looks down on the players playing under him and feels no one can match his game. He needs to realise his days are over, and should look forward to build new super stars.
 
Can't Pakistan find 1 decent level 4 coach and good player from SENA
 
Pakpak said:
Eh? News like this always gets leaked in any sport. Go and watch football, leaks are part of the game and always happen regardless of who's the organisation.
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You take NBA NHL NFL, they always say that coach COULD BE OR WOULD BE and then there’s a press conference date/time. Not that ex person is fired, and they’ve already approached so and so candidates.
Is there a PCB report or is on their website/ Twitter account?
 
Oneking said:
You take NBA NHL NFL, they always say that coach COULD BE OR WOULD BE and then there’s a press conference date/time. Not that ex person is fired, and they’ve already approached so and so candidates.
Is there a PCB report or is on their website/ Twitter account?
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Most reports are saying he WILL be sacked. Not that he is. From England's PL to Serie A to La Liga and so leaks are a part of the game. I mean BBC Sport even has an official gossip column where player leaks, manager sacks are rumored every day from midnight so not sure what you're on about and almost sack rumors of coaches are always bang on true.
 
If it's not Andy and its Grant flower better to appoint Yasir Arafat as head coach
 
Changing the coach is never going to change Pakistan’s fortunes just like how it did not work with Mickey Arthur. Posters will again rebel and repent on what could’ve been if Misbah were the coach god forbid if we lose the South African series.

The problem is too deep and systematic. We love to finger point at scapegoats but in reality we need to assess if the team is realistically capable of reaching the imaginary standards we’ve set for ourselves.
 
I wish we could get Mark Ramprakash on board as batting coach - seriously he’ll do wonders with the batting unlike YK who just draws pictures on his empty pad.
 
Islamabad: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided to remove Misbah-ul-Haq and bring in a foreign coach after the home series against South Africa.
They have DECIDED, all I am saying that they should have waited for team to come back to Pakistan, have conversation with Misbah and tell him to his face “ YOU ARE FIRED” . This is not a rumour or PR team exposing some athlete or coaches. Players leaking rumours are different then administration leaking rumours. All the players and support staff are still in New Zealand, correct me if I am wrong and these reports are coming from administration. Any way it’s good for PAK CRICKET that he is finally gone I hope they find someone who is worthy of this job and take his job seriously.
 
omairsiddiqui said:
I think it is Grant Flower, not Andy Flower. Every news report I've read says it's Grant.
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b.lesner said:
If it's not Andy and its Grant flower better to appoint Yasir Arafat as head coach
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Contradicting information going around. It wont make sense to fire Grant a year or so earlier only to appoint him head coach especially when he is already under the contract of SLC. So it would most likely be Andy Flower but, you never know.
 
Oneking said:
Islamabad: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided to remove Misbah-ul-Haq and bring in a foreign coach after the home series against South Africa.
They have DECIDED, all I am saying that they should have waited for team to come back to Pakistan, have conversation with Misbah and tell him to his face “ YOU ARE FIRED” . This is not a rumour or PR team exposing some athlete or coaches. Players leaking rumours are different then administration leaking rumours. All the players and support staff are still in New Zealand, correct me if I am wrong and these reports are coming from administration. Any way it’s good for PAK CRICKET that he is finally gone I hope they find someone who is worthy of this job and take his job seriously.
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Yup leaks like any other sport. I knew Emery was being sacked before he actually was, it was all over the media. People knew Rodgers was sacked at Liverpool before he was because of rumors. Before both clubs' administration confirmed it themselves by their spokesperson.

Its not a difficult earth shattering concept to grasp. Why am I wasting my time trying to make you understand is beyond me, which I am done.
 
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Pakpak said:
Yup leaks like any other sport. I knew Emery was being sacked before he actually was, it was all over the media. People knew Rodgers was sacked at Liverpool before he was because of rumors. Before both clubs' administration confirmed it themselves by their spokesperson.

Its not a difficult earth shattering concept to grasp. Why am I wasting my time trying to make you understand is beyond me, which I am done.
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But it serves him right though. Karma. Misbah knew Mickey was going to be sacked and he was going to get the job before Mickey did.
 
Grant Flower would be weird, he wasn't the best batting coach we had and Younis Khan pulled a knife to him! Surely it has to be Andy Flower as he has coached in the PSL but with the PCB, anything is possible.
 
If Waqar goes too then it'll be happy days. That guy needs to be shown the door and have a restraining order put on him. Cannot be within 500 feet of any coaching vacancy in Pakistan.
 
MoJoJoJo said:
Him accepting the offer will be a massive massive thing. He has brilliant credentials unlike the guy in charge who has nothing to show except dragging our team to the same azhar ali era, mickey dragged us out from.
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You do realise that under Mickey, Pakistan had the worst win ratio EVER! From 2000 - 2020, pakistan's test win ratio has been 0.968 - Mickey's win ratio = 0.588. Waqar's test win ratio when he was coaching 2.0.....
 
I hope it's not Grant Flower, he has served pak as batting coach for long enough but to me achieved nothing!
 
Gary Kirsten would be a real good coach if PCB can rope him in.
He is balanced, gritty and knows how to get the best from each and every player.
Also knows to stay behind the lime light.. and let the results speak. Hardly saw him speak in indian media outlets even after World Cup win.

Imagine if Misbah or Shastri win the World Cups as coach.. they will be all over media for a year basking in their glories.
 
Extreme fitness standards which Sharjeel Khan cannot make...

Instead we have Mohammad Abbas who runs like a granny in the field

Harris Sohail who probably carries burgers or fried chicken drumsticks in his pockets

Abid Ali with his cab driver physique


Who believes these con artists anymore?
 
The only real Athlete in the side is Shan Masood.....and he is a minor counties standard batsmen for 75% of his commitment to cricket.

Why has Misbah lied so much to us about this fitness and competency rubbish?!?!?!??
 
If Grant Flower comes onboard then perhaps we don't need Younus Khan either.

It will save us some money and we will not have two different batting philosophies colliding with each other.

Let Grant has his effect on the team without any dilution.
 
Jhoot pe jhoot!

Dhoke pe Dhoka!

When will this torture end??!!
 
If Grant flower is hired again
The merry go around of recycling mediocrity will never end.
 
Rana said:
Joke 13 months? Surely no coach in the history of the game has been given the head coach role of an international country as a first stint into coaching? Misbah can use his credentials to find a job as one of the support coaches at Eton college
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JaDed said:
Shastri?
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Kapil Dev and Javed Miandad also.
 
Grant Flower was batting coach if i remember correctly.

Gary Kirsten was one of the finest coaches. Don't know if he is still good at this age
 
We need a coach who is both a passionate coach like Mickey or Bob Woolmer were as well as tactically shrewd especially with this bunch. They should really take over and come to take an interest in our domestic cricket as well youth cricket to highlight players for the future and groom them from a younger age. Finally, we need someone who will push our guys to play aggressive cricket and not timid cricket. Aggressive cricket helps you be confident and creates self belief which I am sure our guys have very little of right now.

We also need someone who understand the technical aspect of batting. How did anyone think Haris Sohail is off any use outside of Asia? Why is Naseem Shah playing ahead of someone who can actually move the ball on a green track?

I would keep Younis as a technical batting consultant. He is far better than Grant Flower and he has experience making technical adjustments throughout his own career. You can see the work he has done with Azhar Ali and Fawad just on this tour and even the New Zealand commentators were complimentary of his knowledge and work.

I genuinely don't know who should be the bowling coach/consultant but we desperately need one better than the one we have. We need someone who can teach these guys how to bowl. Bowling in test cricket is an art and there needs to be a reason for every delivery you bowl. Look at someone like Wagner, every delivery has a purpose. Where as Naseem will try to get some swing for a couple of deliveries then bowl a short one then a half volley.

Finally, we need a competent fielding coach. I've played cricket and I know catching and fielding is all about practice. You avoid practice you never improve. You practice and you improve. The first few practices of each cricket season were a joke because it was like we had all forgotten how to catch. But once you get it back then it's easy. There may be technical aspects for the slips that I am not aware of but we desperately need a coach.
 
RickyG said:
We need a coach who is both a passionate coach like Mickey or Bob Woolmer were as well as tactically shrewd especially with this bunch. They should really take over and come to take an interest in our domestic cricket as well youth cricket to highlight players for the future and groom them from a younger age. Finally, we need someone who will push our guys to play aggressive cricket and not timid cricket. Aggressive cricket helps you be confident and creates self belief which I am sure our guys have very little of right now.

We also need someone who understand the technical aspect of batting. How did anyone think Haris Sohail is off any use outside of Asia? Why is Naseem Shah playing ahead of someone who can actually move the ball on a green track?

I would keep Younis as a technical batting consultant. He is far better than Grant Flower and he has experience making technical adjustments throughout his own career. You can see the work he has done with Azhar Ali and Fawad just on this tour and even the New Zealand commentators were complimentary of his knowledge and work.

I genuinely don't know who should be the bowling coach/consultant but we desperately need one better than the one we have. We need someone who can teach these guys how to bowl. Bowling in test cricket is an art and there needs to be a reason for every delivery you bowl. Look at someone like Wagner, every delivery has a purpose. Where as Naseem will try to get some swing for a couple of deliveries then bowl a short one then a half volley.

Finally, we need a competent fielding coach. I've played cricket and I know catching and fielding is all about practice. You avoid practice you never improve. You practice and you improve. The first few practices of each cricket season were a joke because it was like we had all forgotten how to catch. But once you get it back then it's easy. There may be technical aspects for the slips that I am not aware of but we desperately need a coach.
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IMO, one of the most important quality that coach must have is to able to build a personal and trustworthy relationship with each player. The coach should be fatherly mentor where young players can communicate and express their thoughts freely and confidently.
Players should always feel the backing and support of the coach.

Unlike how we saw Naseem shah scared, demoralized and shattered on confidence as Waqar and Misbah are a BIG FAT ZERO in man-management skill (together with non existing quality to help the players technically).

Waqar MUST go out of the door with Misbah. He is worse than Misbah in man management.
 
Pakistan should bring back Javed Miandad as head coach. I still remember how he was gesturing Abdul Razzaq to move down the leg side and hit the ball square in the last over of that 2004 Samsung Cup match.
 
This report is suspicious.

1. Grant is already contracted with SL team
2. If PCB is serious, Misbah could be sacked even before SA series
3. Both PSL and Zim series after SA series.

Most likely PCB wants to buy some time to calm the fans until PSL and Zim series. We will most likely win the series against Zim and Misbah will continue or get another extension.
 
So no one question Waqar? This leech needs to go right after Mani before PCB sack Misbah.
 
Shafi said:
This report is suspicious.

1. Grant is already contracted with SL team
2. If PCB is serious, Misbah could be sacked even before SA series
3. Both PSL and Zim series after SA series.

Most likely PCB wants to buy some time to calm the fans until PSL and Zim series. We will most likely win the series against Zim and Misbah will continue or get another extension.
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Report has a typo. It’s Andy Flower not Grant. Mods can perhaps change the title of the thread?
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Report has a typo. It’s Andy Flower not Grant. Mods can perhaps change the title of the thread?
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Well its a report so we will have to go by what it says - unless another report emerges to the contrary
 
MenInG said:
Well its a report so we will have to go by what it says - unless another report emerges to the contrary
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There are lots of other reports saying Andy Flower. Here are the sources:

https://www.samaa.tv/sports/2021/01/pcb-to-evaluate-misbah-ul-haqs-position-as-head-coach-reports/

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/77...ncertain-after-team-s-poor-show-against-kiwis

Lots of journalists on social media backing this claim. I’m fairly certain it’s a typo by ARY (unless all these other sources are wrong).
 
Shafi said:
Why PCB wants to wait until S Africa series? Are they hoping we may win the series and all will be forgotten?
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These coaches need time to come into the picture too though... interview process, and then shifting to Pakistan during a pandemic, it takes time. It’s similar to how Misbah was given selection duties for the NZ tour as they were still in the process of finalizing Chief Selector.

If Misbah is removed immediately, there will be one month between now and the SA tour where no coach can work with the team.
 
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