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[REPORTS] Mohammad Hafeez is not in Mickey Arthur's plans for the 2019 World Cup

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According to some news floating around in the media today, Arthur and the management have decided it's time to start preparing for the World Cup next year and they are going to favour young players going forward. Due to Hafeez's bowling ban, his spot is under question and Arthur is reportedly not keen on his inclusion in the team.

Thoughts?
 
Justifiable. I know a lot of fans had lost faith.
Honestly speaking, I wanted him out back in the West Indies series. However, since then he has been performing with the bat.
So idm if he stays or goes.

If we have a better replacement then Hafeez has to go
 
Before the World Cup they are facing England in England and South Africa in South Africa. That would be scary for our batting lineup. Hafeez is'nt a great player but neither is Malik or Azam. Arthur should be careful, I'm sure these kinds of news are being done in the media to create animosity between Hafeez and Arthur.

Hafeez is on tour right now, Arthur is not stupid to start speculation. Sick of the games Pakistani media plays fore their own favorites.. Media is also responsible for the team defeat by cooking up stories to promote division and infighting. This reporting is being done to definitely favour Shoaib Malik and Shehzad more than Hafeez or Arthur.
 
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if he can bowl i think he should be there.
even i was against hafeez inclusion.
but looking at these youngsters
pakistan do need hafeez the allrounder.
 
If this is he case they should have started grooming his replacement immediately after CT.. Why is he still playing in the odi team if he is not part of 2019 WC? You will drop him before WC and his replacement will come in with no confidence or practice fail and then be replaced by Hafeez again after the WC?
 
Shukar hai Mickey ko bhi akal ayi... As they say dair aye durust aye



Now is the time to have two three rookies in the side so that they are up to speed by the time 2019 comes round.
 
We need to kick out Azhar, Hafeez and possibly Malik plus no need the service of Mr. Technique Shafiq, Gul......
 
If Sarfaraz is going to go out of breath after facing 5 deliverys he shouldn’t be in the plans aswell...
 
According to some news floating around in the media today, Arthur and the management have decided it's time to start preparing for the World Cup next year and they are going to favour young players going forward. Due to Hafeez's bowling ban, his spot is under question and Arthur is reportedly not keen on his inclusion in the team.

Thoughts?

This is amazing news if true. But what if Inzi support TTFs again? [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]
 
Hey guys guys listen up.
Lets get the facts right if u wana do well in odis from now on..
U cant have too many players like hafeez, babar, azhar, malik, haris and sarfraz in the batting line up?
They're all the same type of players...u only need about 2 from the list.
But, if you only want to score 250/260 then mickey is doing a great 'disservice' to pakistan.
 
Tobah tobah! Allah iss Micky Arthur ko aqal de kaisi behki behki baatein kar raha hai.
 
What about Inzi ? Where does he stand ? That is the important part.

Exactly Arthur can ask for a bat or refuse one or 2 players offered by the chief selector but does'nt have much authority on squad selection. Its not Arthur responsibility also.

Inzamam replaced his nephew with Shehzad, and Shehzad with his nephew for the the t20. If Arthur had some authority he would'nt have allowed these mindgames even Sarfaraz. He already has a limited side he can't keep Shehzad to compromise his batting lineup.

Its more of Inzamam responsibility, there not one youngster debut batsman he has groomed in last 2 years minus his nephew. Inzamam has been the real problem,he prefers his loyal Model Town bunch.
 
Arthur had made it clear that Hafeez was going to play his last ODI in that CT final but Hafeez made 57 not out and that disrupted his plans.
 
This is an unconfirmed report but putting the pieces to together, this report seems to be valid. Saj reported the other day that two coaches and a senior player are not seeing eye to eye. Without Hafeezs bowling, he doesn't be in the squad. Even with his bowling he is not going to be useful in English conditions for the World Cup. Bowlers will make him hop like a bunny and his bowling would be less effective in England. Those that remodel their bowling actions are half the bowlers they used to be. I would have dropped Hafeez while back but better late then never.

Pakistan coach, captain and the selectors needs to watch the upcoming domestic one day tournament and PSL closing to pick out top talent and get them in the team ASAP. We need to pick our top 20 players and stick with them until after the World Cup.
 
Mickey has a habit of kicking out seniors from the team and it is good for us but the important thing is the selection of right replacements for these seniors . Imam ul Haq and umar amin types wont do.
 
The same rule should apply to Malik as well along and the juniors who flopped on this tour should be dropped as well. Fair is fair. Babar Azam has looked horribly out of his depth
 
Arthur had made it clear that Hafeez was going to play his last ODI in that CT final but Hafeez made 57 not out and that disrupted his plans.

Never seen any such public statement by Arthur and more than Hafeez, Malik does'nt deserve to be in the team if CT performances are looked into. IF Arthur had so much authority and interfering most of these failing seniors would be out of the team in early 2017 when Pakistan used to win nothing.
 
Exactly Arthur can ask for a bat or refuse one or 2 players offered by the chief selector but does'nt have much authority on squad selection. Its not Arthur responsibility also.

Inzamam replaced his nephew with Shehzad, and Shehzad with his nephew for the the t20. If Arthur had some authority he would'nt have allowed these mindgames even Sarfaraz. He already has a limited side he can't keep Shehzad to compromise his batting lineup.

Its more of Inzamam responsibility, there not one youngster debut batsman he has groomed in last 2 years minus his nephew. Inzamam has been the real problem,he prefers his loyal Model Town bunch.

Sarfaraz could have exercised more authority specially after the champions trophy win but sadly he has too much respect for seniors and elders, so much so that he was content with batting at 7 for seniors.
Inzamam alone is not guilty here.
 
Sarfaraz could have exercised more authority specially after the champions trophy win but sadly he has too much respect for seniors and elders, so much so that he was content with batting at 7 for seniors.
Inzamam alone is not guilty here.

That guy has literally killed his own career because of this seniority **. He had his best ever series as batsman in England when he was batting at 4 or 5. [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] posted a stat that he has an average of 48 with excellent SR when he bats in the top 5 (after quite a significant number of innings) and he averages in the 20s when he bats below 5.


He has only himself to blame if he is dropped sooner rather than later. His garbage fitness isn't helping either.
 
This is an unconfirmed report but putting the pieces to together, this report seems to be valid. Saj reported the other day that two coaches and a senior player are not seeing eye to eye. Without Hafeezs bowling, he doesn't be in the squad. Even with his bowling he is not going to be useful in English conditions for the World Cup. Bowlers will make him hop like a bunny and his bowling would be less effective in England. Those that remodel their bowling actions are half the bowlers they used to be. I would have dropped Hafeez while back but better late then never.

Pakistan coach, captain and the selectors needs to watch the upcoming domestic one day tournament and PSL closing to pick out top talent and get them in the team ASAP. We need to pick our top 20 players and stick with them until after the World Cup.

The problem is the reporters themselves. The media itself is pathetic and a disgrace. They have biases, favorites and the seniors presence has helped them in getting information leaks out of confidential meets of the dressing room and the boardroom.

There is the whole batting lineup that does'nt warrant a place in the squad due to their inability. Only Hafeez name being mentioned who made 2 useless 50s in the odi series unlike other senior leeches, smells fishy.
Shoaib Malik has a history of controversies and revolts in his career. Since his comeback from the tour , such news have started emerging.
There was no such rift reported in the first 4 odis which Pakistan lost badly.

Most fans support this as they are fed up of Hafeez and Malik but I am somewhat skeptical, Arthur and Sarfaraz powers are limited and this is the chief selectors domain who has not made 1 new batting addition in last 2 years.
 
If this is he case they should have started grooming his replacement immediately after CT.. Why is he still playing in the odi team if he is not part of 2019 WC? You will drop him before WC and his replacement will come in with no confidence or practice fail and then be replaced by Hafeez again after the WC?

They didn't kick the seniors out after CT because they "didn't want to change a winning formula" which was naive in hindsight.

CT win papered over the cracks as these underperforming seniors were allowed to bash likes of SL and WI even though we all knew they'd be exposed against quality opponents.
 
The same rule should apply to Malik as well along and the juniors who flopped on this tour should be dropped as well. Fair is fair. Babar Azam has looked horribly out of his depth

Time should be up for Malik but none of the juniors are going to be discarded after one bad tour, that's for sure.
 
Time should be up for Malik but none of the juniors are going to be discarded after one bad tour, that's for sure.

Not too sure, Babar Azam hasn't done much in test cricket and this tour was a disaster for him. He looks so scarred while batting, someone on the bench should be given a chance while he be told to sort his issues out. Don't want to have another Asad Shafiq on our hands.
 
They didn't kick the seniors out after CT because they "didn't want to change a winning formula" which was naive in hindsight.

CT win papered over the cracks as these underperforming seniors were allowed to bash likes of SL and WI even though we all knew they'd be exposed against quality opponents.


But every coach should have a plan:

Short term plan improve Pakistan’s ranking.
Mid term plan - Do well in CT.
Long term plan - Prepare a group for WC 2019.


If mickey had a plan he should have told Hafeez you do not feature in WC 2019 long term plan and you can retire after CT..

What I am saying is that they have wasted opportunities after CT to try and test youngsters and build up their confidence before WC.
 
Sarfaraz could have exercised more authority specially after the champions trophy win but sadly he has too much respect for seniors and elders, so much so that he was content with batting at 7 for seniors.
Inzamam alone is not guilty here.

Several issues here.
Seniority culture, limited authority.
PCB has given a certain authority to Inzamam, Arthur and Sarfaraz can't override.This is visible in the squad makeup.
Why Sarfaraz only, every player from Inzamam to Misbah to Afridi have batted lower down to not face the new bowl. Only captain to bat up and face the new bowl was Younis Khan and what Shoaib Malik & Co. did to them in 2009 is part of history. It was the same opposition, New Zealand. NewZealand are a consistent strategist side even when they did'nt have world beaters.
Sarfaraz needs to improve his form, Younis Khan warned him in a covered statement after 3rd odi. The seniors are failing badly with juniors doing better than them.
They will induce politics to save themselves. It had an affect on Sarfaraz and he went onto make a 50+, got Pakistan over 250+.
 
Youngsters have to step up in PSL 3 . Performances from Talat, Farhan, Saif, Saad, Saud even Hammad will further accelerate the ouster of seniors.
 
But every coach should have a plan:

Short term plan improve Pakistan’s ranking.
Mid term plan - Do well in CT.
Long term plan - Prepare a group for WC 2019.


If mickey had a plan he should have told Hafeez you do not feature in WC 2019 long term plan and you can retire after CT..

What I am saying is that they have wasted opportunities after CT to try and test youngsters and build up their confidence before WC.

You know what SC culture is like - if this was England or Australia then yes that ideally would've happened.

But in Pakistan, if those seniors were dropped they'd run to the media crying "how can you drop us after winning a tournament ?" and our weak PCB that's easily influenced by the media would've buckled.
 
They didn't kick the seniors out after CT because they "didn't want to change a winning formula" which was naive in hindsight.

CT win papered over the cracks as these underperforming seniors were allowed to bash likes of SL and WI even though we all knew they'd be exposed against quality opponents.

After England tour, same selector would say its too late to make changes. One can even predict what Inzamam would say next, cos he is saying/doing the same thing for last 14 years as captain/chief selector. Block juniors, protect his loyal group by hook or by crook[doing politics/ousting others]
 
The problem is the reporters themselves. The media itself is pathetic and a disgrace. They have biases, favorites and the seniors presence has helped them in getting information leaks out of confidential meets of the dressing room and the boardroom.

There is the whole batting lineup that does'nt warrant a place in the squad due to their inability. Only Hafeez name being mentioned who made 2 useless 50s in the odi series unlike other senior leeches, smells fishy.
Shoaib Malik has a history of controversies and revolts in his career. Since his comeback from the tour , such news have started emerging.
There was no such rift reported in the first 4 odis which Pakistan lost badly.

Most fans support this as they are fed up of Hafeez and Malik but I am somewhat skeptical, Arthur and Sarfaraz powers are limited and this is the chief selectors domain who has not made 1 new batting addition in last 2 years.

This media and senior players bias as seem part of Pakistan cricket for a long time. The biggest media boy was Afridi who would even leak sensitive information to his bias media; Hafeez and especially Malik have strong media cult. Having Hafeez and Malik in the team is a bad influence to the harmony of the team and on top of that these are mediocre players.

Pakistans batting problems have been around for a long time and Inzi isn't doing anything to help by selecting TTFs like Hafeez, Malik, Shehzad, and Azhar Ali.

Sarfaz is an average players in LOI and it is easy to put pressure of him especially when he is not performing himself and he would grumble under mafias pressure. Mikey seems like a guy who doesn't take nonsense so I hope he stands his ground and get rid of these players for the betterment of Pakistan cricket.
 
Only the inclusion of Hafeez and Malik is stopping Sarfraz to bat at number 4 or 5. If both of them get dropped, he'll definitely have to play at number 4 or 5, where he has a very good record.
 
Youngsters have to step up in PSL 3 . Performances from Talat, Farhan, Saif, Saad, Saud even Hammad will further accelerate the ouster of seniors.

Inzamam is too smart for this, its a T20 format and the pool to select openers is itself reduced.There is only Farhan[more suited to odi format], no Mukhtar Ahmed no Awais Zia. These people have better strike rates.
Saad, Tallat playing in National T20 Cup had 120 at best strike rates and they will be competing with likes of foreign branded hitters in PSL.
 
By kicking seniors out you are trying to keep everyone's expectations low. I will love it when the excuses start coming out "This is a young, inexperienced team"
 
Several issues here.
Seniority culture, limited authority.
PCB has given a certain authority to Inzamam, Arthur and Sarfaraz can't override.This is visible in the squad makeup.
Why Sarfaraz only, every player from Inzamam to Misbah to Afridi have batted lower down to not face the new bowl. Only captain to bat up and face the new bowl was Younis Khan and what Shoaib Malik & Co. did to them in 2009 is part of history. It was the same opposition, New Zealand. NewZealand are a consistent strategist side even when they did'nt have world beaters.
Sarfaraz needs to improve his form, Younis Khan warned him in a covered statement after 3rd odi. The seniors are failing badly with juniors doing better than them.
They will induce politics to save themselves. It had an affect on Sarfaraz and he went onto make a 50+, got Pakistan over 250+.

Inzamam and Misbah were criticized when they use to bat low and so will be sarfaraz. Actually, batting higher up the order suits sarfraz's game and his averages (by batting positions) suggests that.
And no, Inzamam is not stopping him to bat above seniors, he has only himself to blame.
 
By kicking seniors out you are trying to keep everyone's expectations low. I will love it when the excuses start coming out "This is a young, inexperienced team"

And what if we start winning ? What will be your excuse then ?
 
Inzamam and Misbah were criticized when they use to bat low and so will be sarfaraz. Actually, batting higher up the order suits sarfraz's game and his averages (by batting positions) suggests that.
And no, Inzamam is not stopping him to bat above seniors, he has only himself to blame.

Correct, Why would Inzamam stop him
Look at Domestics; he bats at 7 in Domestics, why doesn't he bat up the order in domestics???
He has to blame himself for that
 
Why is Malik not being mentioned. The way he backs away from good, short pitched bowling is an embarrassment for our cricket advert.
 
Why is Malik not being mentioned. The way he backs away from good, short pitched bowling is an embarrassment for our cricket advert.

We should not be worried about malik. Even if he survives now, ODI series in England just before the world cup will make sure that he will only warm the bench in World cup.
 
Malik and Hafeez should show some self worth/respect and retire after this tour!

We need to blood younger batsmen or we will probably be out of the WC in the first round
 
Inzamam and Misbah were criticized when they use to bat low and so will be sarfaraz. Actually, batting higher up the order suits sarfraz's game and his averages (by batting positions) suggests that.
And no, Inzamam is not stopping him to bat above seniors, he has only himself to blame.

If he fails then what? For one week the former cricketers in India were yelling for Rahane to be played. He played an failed today.
He is already under pressure, he plays cautiously with a semi-new ball. He is not playing for himself anymore he has to carry the team as captain also. With moving new ball it would be tough for him. With role models like Misbah and Inzamam one can't find the zeal of the 90s Pakistan team. Imran batted up in 92 World Cup semi final and final to save the Inzamams from the new ball cos he knew his ability better and he could play the new ball well.
 
All Pakistani fans should get behind Mickey on this one. He is showing the spine which no one before him showed.
 
If he fails then what? For one week the former cricketers in India were yelling for Rahane to be played. He played an failed today.
He is already under pressure, he plays cautiously with a semi-new ball. He is not playing for himself anymore he has to carry the team as captain also. With moving new ball it would be tough for him. With role models like Misbah and Inzamam one can't find the zeal of the 90s Pakistan team. Imran batted up in 92 World Cup semi final and final to save the Inzamams from the new ball cos he knew his ability better and he could play the new ball well.

Poor logic. A captain should never think like that. Imran Khan was successful because he never used to think 'what will happen if I fail'.:ik
 
Haris Sohail should be a permanent starter ahead of Hafeez at the no.4 spot
 
Well whatever changes we are making, or going to make.... we aren't even going to find out because there is no series arranged for the next six months. Thank you Sethi. What would we ever do without you.


:salute
 
what took you so long, Mickey?

finally waking up to reality - probably driven by political reasons rather than cricketing ones
 
Poor logic. A captain should never think like that. Imran Khan was successful because he never used to think 'what will happen if I fail'.:ik

What system and board was around in Imran Khan's time, stable and strong board. How much mediawas there? Was ther any TV media at that time leaking personal information going after others to protect their favorites. Compare it with the situation right now with an adhoc board with biased media. TV Media is so strong that they made a their favoring TV personality chairman of the cricket board. Shakeel Sheikh is also from the media, he wrote for Jang before being part of the Pindi Setup.

Iqbal Qasim selected his son for a team, when he was selector in early 2000s or 90s time. The environment was such he had to take back his son's name. After Shakeel Sheikh started using his position to get his son and nephews in the regional teams. Now the others are also following.
Misbah's innings in World Cup Semi Final 2011 against India would not have allowed any setup pre 2007 to let him play again. Yet he played and told the youngsters you can lose anyways, play slow and stayin the team.

We should also check the environment and the rotten corrupt system in place. I can guarantee you Imran Khan would not have the same image if same media and unstable board was around that time.
 
Thank god for Mickey Arthur. Hopefully the PCB gives him full backing on this.
 
Well whatever changes we are making, or going to make.... we aren't even going to find out because there is no series arranged for the next six months. Thank you Sethi. What would we ever do without you.


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PCB should arrange some ODIs with Ireland and Scotland.

Select new players (Mukhtar, Talat, Agha, Saad, Maqsood, Asghar, Shaheen), drop the deadwood (Azhar, Hafeez, Malik, Nawaz, Amin)

Whoever performs well this year, stays in the team for the next year.
 
I know Mickey would like to go forwards without Hafeez and Azhar but don't know about Inzi and the PCB. Get in Talat make UA to open and finally we can have a fine OD team.

Fakhar.
U Akmal.
Babar.
Haris.
Sarfaraz.
Talat.
Shadab.
Fahim.
Hasan.
Shaheen.
Shinwari.
 
If Arthur was given full authority, he'll bring following changes in ODI (LO) squad (most of those, I can't tell his mind, but I do understand his game philosophy, besides next 2 ICC events are in UK & AUS for his benifit)

1. Change Sarfraz as Captain - not that he is against Sarf, but Captain should make the XI on playing merit and Captain must be good at one core job to lead from front. WK as Captain is a disaster, unless you are Sanga, Gilly, MS or AB - these are WKs good enough to play as a batsman, just in case, it becomes too much for them to handle triple role. Besides, each of them were extreme fit for the work load and quite good at WKeeping. He dropped Shaun as Captain at 32 (when he was fit enough to bowl 29 overs in a day), for a kid - he'll do the same here as well and groom his Captain. For that, he needs someone whose at least best 4/5 years in the game is still left and who is fit, so that the Captain can lead from the front and can be invested for long. He would prefer a younger Captain for sure - Amir, Babar, Hasan comes to mind; even Shadab has a good shout, but 27 is probably the max allowable age. For a team like PAK, Captain needs to be fearless - as Mike Holding will often say - my Captain allowed me to express myself.

2. He'll reduce the average age of the squad significantly - hardly any player over 29. Take out MoHa, Malik, Azhar & Sarfraz (Wahab & Irfaaan as well), replace with 4 U23 players (say Talat, Saud, Farhan/Saad & Ruhail) - that brings the overall average age down by 2+ years. May be, in future he'll keep few over 29 players - that's only because Misbah era changed the definition of PAK youngsters to be 29 years at debut - ideally, Hari, Fak, Umar, Amin, Sharjeel, Maqsood, Imad, Fawad .... should have been 5-7+ years veteran by now with good amount of experience in their tank - some of them would have been on orange light by now, instead of green (trying to find a space in squad......)

3. He'll bring several players from the last 2/3 U19 WC teams & around - Afridi, Iqbal, Ali Zaryab, Ruhail from this squad; may be Zeeshan, Umair Masood, Badar & Hasan from previous one, Saud, Gohar, Amad from one more back and may be few from outside WC (Nasir Newaz comes to mind). Not necessarily everyone has to be in squad, but he'll create a pool of may be 35 players to start with - at least half of them U23. These are his first filter - every year few oldies (& few disappointing youngsters as well) will be churned out, while new kids in block enters the frame - that'll keep the average age perfectly level, and keep the competition high. Simple philosophy is - if an oldie (35+, on biological age) has to be in squad - HE HAS TO DELIVER EXTRA, AND STAND FIRM IN CRISIS (exactly opposite to MoHa in this regard) - otherwise, that resource has to be invested for someone U23 - if there is a short of young talent, one has to create something from potential, instead of roaming around circles. YK was one such senior (in Test), and I did support him till his last innings; would have supported his appointment as Test Captain for a year or two after Misbah as well - that would have DEFINITELY saved a certain 0-2 in UAE.

4. He'll create a like to like competition - that's at least 2 players for every spot; may be one buzurg, other one has to be "inexperienced". He'll never do is a 38 years old, backed by a 35 years old. Or Captain dynamic 30, deputy good boy 33 ...these are official age, by the way. Rather it's possible to have a 23 years old as back up of a 25 years old. These are like role profile back-up, not Ul Haq's style squad. For example - Amir is his premium new ball bowler - he'll pick may be 3/4 other pacers for the same role - say, Sadaf, Arshad, Hamza and may be an unknown guy (Umaid Asif was perfect, had he been 12 years younger). Similarly, Hasan is his 1st change & finisher - back-ups could be Afridi, Shinwari ..... Same goes for all-rounders, WKs, spinners (for his weakness, he isn't too cool to handle the spinners, but to his help, next 2 ICC events don't need Nawaz like spinner/all-rounders either). But, a squad will never have Hasan, Shinrai & Raees ........ then Captain rowdy opens with Fahim & Yamin............

5. He'll form the team on combination - that's the total player value of a combination, rather than individuals. LO teams are built on combination, rather than individual player value - 2+2 has to be 5 there, because of the short game distance. In a 5 days, game all 11 has some period to come into game, but in LO, one has to be flexible - change in order, change in attack, change in fielding strategy ... are too frequent & instant - one needs flexibility. For that, he'll ask for a balanced, versatile squad so that he can rotate his squad - no more in total 3 pacers for 8 games series.

6. He'll pick horses for courses, batsman for particular positions, bowlers for particular condition - not that best 6 batsmen makes a better ODI line-up, neither 4 bowlers - rather it's how they fit in the strategy. I see, 3 distinctive role profile of ODI batsmen - top 3, 4-5, 6-7 - batsmen making lots of runs from top 3, might be obsolete at 4/5, or 6/7 and vice verse. He'll pick batsmen (& back-ups) by role - that might result in 4th highest scorer of domestic Cup might not be finding a place even in 16 men squad, if the prior 3 are also openers. Besides, he'll definitely look for SR, rotational ability (% of singles), hitting ability (% of boundary) before picking player (s) for a particular spot. Recently, I was reading someone suggesting Asad at No. 5, because he has scored lot in Domestic Cup (from opening) - that's simply foolish. Besides, he'll liberate PAK cricket from the curse of Misbah era batting philosophy - players have to score on back foot, on the rise, with horizontal bat and through off side.

6. He'll encourage multi dimensional players - that's every player has to improve in his weaker side, and improvement in fielding is must for everyone. It's like, at least some contribution in the game - specialist tail-end bowlers have to improve their defense, to support set batsman; bowlers with decent batting potential (Hasan, Amir, Yasi, Afridi ....) has to improve their hitting power, all-rounders like Fahim, Yamin, Shadab has to improve their bowling, so that they can be trusted with ball. Current Pom team has tremendous batting depth, because their bowlers are decent bat, while Stokes & Moeen has improved their bowling good enough to be one of 5 bowlers. Few top order batsmen have to develop a bit of bowling intelligence, so that they can be used in crisis. Misbah killed Yasir, but hardly used Azhar or Ahmed or Fawad/Maqsood (may be to keep MoHa's bench warm) - that's inflexibility from short slightness. Besides, Arthur'll create few specialist fielders (among batsmen, who doesn't bowl, therefore can be kept at critical spots like 1st slip, point, short mid wicket for full 50 overs) - none can be Johnty, but no reason why 3 batsmen can't make point, extra cover & short mid wicket their own.

7. He'll bring versatility in his squad/starting XI - that's good mix of left-right batting combo and variety in bowling so that captain has options. Couple of years back, there in NZ, PAK played one ODI with 4 left arm pacer, a SLAO darter (Imad) and a part-time leggi (Azhar) - for me, that demands straight sacking then & then for the CS, Manager/Coach & Captain. PAK was bunnied by every SLAO spinner (none more than Herath), often having a batting line up of 11 right handers & spinners taking ball away from them with 6-3 field for whole day .......

8. He'll create leaders in the squad out side the Captain - it's like bowling leader, batting leaders, some one to keep the fielders on toes during fielding. A senior pro can contribute more in team strategy not being Captain, because as Captain, he is responsible for the result - as adviser, he can express himself. PAK Captain's best resource could have been the guy over burdened now - history tells every great Captain had a great WK as his go to guy, because WK is the centre spot of the field - at one time he watches most part of the game, being involved in almost every actions, and he watches his bowlers as good as the batsman (actually better, he gets more time), he watches the batsmen from behind and he sets the field positions (distance based on carry of the wicket - BUT, hardly any great WK was every made Captain, even deputy on permanent basis, because the role is rowdy, not a thinker's job.

9. He'll set a strict fitness standard (& measurement criteria) - there won't be multiple standards to give Captain pass marks. Besides, I am sure he'll set different fitness criteria for different role - fitness of a specialist batsman and a WK batsman can't be measured on same scale; that makes Ul Haq & Sohaib as good (or bad) on fitness.

10. He'll set measurable KPI for his squad (may be internally - outsiders don't need to know that). For example, MoHa's NZ series is the highest level of statistical manipulation - 60 (71) & 81* (80), while batting first and set a well below par score; while 1 (9), 0 (4) & 6 (20), while chasing - and at lest twice, it was quite a reasonable target set by bowlers. For stats, 148 (184) for a stats like 37.00/80.43 is exceptionally good for a side humiliated 5-0 and 4 out 5 times simply being out classed - these are worthless stats, as fake as Zingira made (Dhaka's famous machine tool's factory - grey market for stolen parts) van. This won't be sold to Arthur - he'll tell his boys what is expected, and how the success will be measured - "homework gate" didn't go well for him, but that's one thing essential for this PAK team, where almost everyone is playing for himself.

...enough for today
 
I agree with one of the posters here on the media stirring trouble. Sadly that's how it goes in Pakistan.

Regardless of what is happening backstage and the posting of rumours, Hafeez shouldnt be picked. His time has come. He has been good for Pakistan, let him have a farewell in a tour somewhere and let's move on.

Pakistan have a good group of core young players in Babar, Shadab, Hasan, Amir, Raees, Nawaz, Shinwari/whoever else is picked, Faheem, Imad and a group of older/more experienced names in Sarfraz, Malik and possibly Junaid/Irfan if either returns.

A great building block, if handled properly and left alone by the sharks in the media and on forums.
 
What system and board was around in Imran Khan's time, stable and strong board. How much mediawas there? Was ther any TV media at that time leaking personal information going after others to protect their favorites. Compare it with the situation right now with an adhoc board with biased media. TV Media is so strong that they made a their favoring TV personality chairman of the cricket board. Shakeel Sheikh is also from the media, he wrote for Jang before being part of the Pindi Setup.

Iqbal Qasim selected his son for a team, when he was selector in early 2000s or 90s time. The environment was such he had to take back his son's name. After Shakeel Sheikh started using his position to get his son and nephews in the regional teams. Now the others are also following.
Misbah's innings in World Cup Semi Final 2011 against India would not have allowed any setup pre 2007 to let him play again. Yet he played and told the youngsters you can lose anyways, play slow and stayin the team.

We should also check the environment and the rotten corrupt system in place. I can guarantee you Imran Khan would not have the same image if same media and unstable board was around that time.

I have not heard any unwarranted criticism for Sarfaraz on any TV media . Same board and Inzi who are supposed to be conspiring against Sarfaraz were there when he was appointed as captain.
 
If Arthur was given full authority, he'll bring following changes in ODI (LO) squad (most of those, I can't tell his mind, but I do understand his game philosophy, besides next 2 ICC events are in UK & AUS for his benifit)

1. Change Sarfraz as Captain - not that he is against Sarf, but Captain should make the XI on playing merit and Captain must be good at one core job to lead from front. WK as Captain is a disaster, unless you are Sanga, Gilly, MS or AB - these are WKs good enough to play as a batsman, just in case, it becomes too much for them to handle triple role. Besides, each of them were extreme fit for the work load and quite good at WKeeping. He dropped Shaun as Captain at 32 (when he was fit enough to bowl 29 overs in a day), for a kid - he'll do the same here as well and groom his Captain. For that, he needs someone whose at least best 4/5 years in the game is still left and who is fit, so that the Captain can lead from the front and can be invested for long. He would prefer a younger Captain for sure - Amir, Babar, Hasan comes to mind; even Shadab has a good shout, but 27 is probably the max allowable age. For a team like PAK, Captain needs to be fearless - as Mike Holding will often say - my Captain allowed me to express myself.

2. He'll reduce the average age of the squad significantly - hardly any player over 29. Take out MoHa, Malik, Azhar & Sarfraz (Wahab & Irfaaan as well), replace with 4 U23 players (say Talat, Saud, Farhan/Saad & Ruhail) - that brings the overall average age down by 2+ years. May be, in future he'll keep few over 29 players - that's only because Misbah era changed the definition of PAK youngsters to be 29 years at debut - ideally, Hari, Fak, Umar, Amin, Sharjeel, Maqsood, Imad, Fawad .... should have been 5-7+ years veteran by now with good amount of experience in their tank - some of them would have been on orange light by now, instead of green (trying to find a space in squad......)

3. He'll bring several players from the last 2/3 U19 WC teams & around - Afridi, Iqbal, Ali Zaryab, Ruhail from this squad; may be Zeeshan, Umair Masood, Badar & Hasan from previous one, Saud, Gohar, Amad from one more back and may be few from outside WC (Nasir Newaz comes to mind). Not necessarily everyone has to be in squad, but he'll create a pool of may be 35 players to start with - at least half of them U23. These are his first filter - every year few oldies (& few disappointing youngsters as well) will be churned out, while new kids in block enters the frame - that'll keep the average age perfectly level, and keep the competition high. Simple philosophy is - if an oldie (35+, on biological age) has to be in squad - HE HAS TO DELIVER EXTRA, AND STAND FIRM IN CRISIS (exactly opposite to MoHa in this regard) - otherwise, that resource has to be invested for someone U23 - if there is a short of young talent, one has to create something from potential, instead of roaming around circles. YK was one such senior (in Test), and I did support him till his last innings; would have supported his appointment as Test Captain for a year or two after Misbah as well - that would have DEFINITELY saved a certain 0-2 in UAE.

4. He'll create a like to like competition - that's at least 2 players for every spot; may be one buzurg, other one has to be "inexperienced". He'll never do is a 38 years old, backed by a 35 years old. Or Captain dynamic 30, deputy good boy 33 ...these are official age, by the way. Rather it's possible to have a 23 years old as back up of a 25 years old. These are like role profile back-up, not Ul Haq's style squad. For example - Amir is his premium new ball bowler - he'll pick may be 3/4 other pacers for the same role - say, Sadaf, Arshad, Hamza and may be an unknown guy (Umaid Asif was perfect, had he been 12 years younger). Similarly, Hasan is his 1st change & finisher - back-ups could be Afridi, Shinwari ..... Same goes for all-rounders, WKs, spinners (for his weakness, he isn't too cool to handle the spinners, but to his help, next 2 ICC events don't need Nawaz like spinner/all-rounders either). But, a squad will never have Hasan, Shinrai & Raees ........ then Captain rowdy opens with Fahim & Yamin............

5. He'll form the team on combination - that's the total player value of a combination, rather than individuals. LO teams are built on combination, rather than individual player value - 2+2 has to be 5 there, because of the short game distance. In a 5 days, game all 11 has some period to come into game, but in LO, one has to be flexible - change in order, change in attack, change in fielding strategy ... are too frequent & instant - one needs flexibility. For that, he'll ask for a balanced, versatile squad so that he can rotate his squad - no more in total 3 pacers for 8 games series.

6. He'll pick horses for courses, batsman for particular positions, bowlers for particular condition - not that best 6 batsmen makes a better ODI line-up, neither 4 bowlers - rather it's how they fit in the strategy. I see, 3 distinctive role profile of ODI batsmen - top 3, 4-5, 6-7 - batsmen making lots of runs from top 3, might be obsolete at 4/5, or 6/7 and vice verse. He'll pick batsmen (& back-ups) by role - that might result in 4th highest scorer of domestic Cup might not be finding a place even in 16 men squad, if the prior 3 are also openers. Besides, he'll definitely look for SR, rotational ability (% of singles), hitting ability (% of boundary) before picking player (s) for a particular spot. Recently, I was reading someone suggesting Asad at No. 5, because he has scored lot in Domestic Cup (from opening) - that's simply foolish. Besides, he'll liberate PAK cricket from the curse of Misbah era batting philosophy - players have to score on back foot, on the rise, with horizontal bat and through off side.

6. He'll encourage multi dimensional players - that's every player has to improve in his weaker side, and improvement in fielding is must for everyone. It's like, at least some contribution in the game - specialist tail-end bowlers have to improve their defense, to support set batsman; bowlers with decent batting potential (Hasan, Amir, Yasi, Afridi ....) has to improve their hitting power, all-rounders like Fahim, Yamin, Shadab has to improve their bowling, so that they can be trusted with ball. Current Pom team has tremendous batting depth, because their bowlers are decent bat, while Stokes & Moeen has improved their bowling good enough to be one of 5 bowlers. Few top order batsmen have to develop a bit of bowling intelligence, so that they can be used in crisis. Misbah killed Yasir, but hardly used Azhar or Ahmed or Fawad/Maqsood (may be to keep MoHa's bench warm) - that's inflexibility from short slightness. Besides, Arthur'll create few specialist fielders (among batsmen, who doesn't bowl, therefore can be kept at critical spots like 1st slip, point, short mid wicket for full 50 overs) - none can be Johnty, but no reason why 3 batsmen can't make point, extra cover & short mid wicket their own.

7. He'll bring versatility in his squad/starting XI - that's good mix of left-right batting combo and variety in bowling so that captain has options. Couple of years back, there in NZ, PAK played one ODI with 4 left arm pacer, a SLAO darter (Imad) and a part-time leggi (Azhar) - for me, that demands straight sacking then & then for the CS, Manager/Coach & Captain. PAK was bunnied by every SLAO spinner (none more than Herath), often having a batting line up of 11 right handers & spinners taking ball away from them with 6-3 field for whole day .......

8. He'll create leaders in the squad out side the Captain - it's like bowling leader, batting leaders, some one to keep the fielders on toes during fielding. A senior pro can contribute more in team strategy not being Captain, because as Captain, he is responsible for the result - as adviser, he can express himself. PAK Captain's best resource could have been the guy over burdened now - history tells every great Captain had a great WK as his go to guy, because WK is the centre spot of the field - at one time he watches most part of the game, being involved in almost every actions, and he watches his bowlers as good as the batsman (actually better, he gets more time), he watches the batsmen from behind and he sets the field positions (distance based on carry of the wicket - BUT, hardly any great WK was every made Captain, even deputy on permanent basis, because the role is rowdy, not a thinker's job.

9. He'll set a strict fitness standard (& measurement criteria) - there won't be multiple standards to give Captain pass marks. Besides, I am sure he'll set different fitness criteria for different role - fitness of a specialist batsman and a WK batsman can't be measured on same scale; that makes Ul Haq & Sohaib as good (or bad) on fitness.

10. He'll set measurable KPI for his squad (may be internally - outsiders don't need to know that). For example, MoHa's NZ series is the highest level of statistical manipulation - 60 (71) & 81* (80), while batting first and set a well below par score; while 1 (9), 0 (4) & 6 (20), while chasing - and at lest twice, it was quite a reasonable target set by bowlers. For stats, 148 (184) for a stats like 37.00/80.43 is exceptionally good for a side humiliated 5-0 and 4 out 5 times simply being out classed - these are worthless stats, as fake as Zingira made (Dhaka's famous machine tool's factory - grey market for stolen parts) van. This won't be sold to Arthur - he'll tell his boys what is expected, and how the success will be measured - "homework gate" didn't go well for him, but that's one thing essential for this PAK team, where almost everyone is playing for himself.

...enough for today

Oh man !!. that much effort for a hypothetical scenario which is never going to happen.:stokes
 
Hafeez is still performing way better than useless Safaraz. So we should find a new captain and better bowlers for WC19. Let’s kick out the useless craps like Rumman, Sarfraz etc and bring back Junaid Khan, Shaheen Afridi, Sahibzada Ferhan before the world cup.
 
Mickey has a habit of kicking out seniors from the team and it is good for us but the important thing is the selection of right replacements for these seniors . Imam ul Haq and umar amin types wont do.
why not it will do atleast they can groom them to be the mainstay of the batting in the near or longer future... What can u do with Hafeez :hafeez2 who was never a mainstay of batting except in helping UAE conditions :maqsood..
 
If its true then very good....he booted out hafeez in the england tour itself but he crawled his way back in the side..
 
I remember when Ganguly was being pushed around by Greg Chappell and then the Indian selectors to retire or be kicked out to make way for younger players, he eventually took the initiative himself and announced his retirement from International Cricket.

Maybe Hafeez should take cue
 
I remember when Ganguly was being pushed around by Greg Chappell and then the Indian selectors to retire or be kicked out to make way for younger players, he eventually took the initiative himself and announced his retirement from International Cricket.

Maybe Hafeez should take cue

Great work by Mickey. Hafeez has been around for decades and had been poor for the majority of the time. Lets see Malik also shown the door. Sarfraz needs to go to 4 and take the real leadership role otherwise his underperformances will lead to his exit as well.
 
Good decision if it is true. Also Azhar Ali, Shoaib Mallik and Sarfaraz Ahmad should be thrown out of the limited overs team.
 
Hafeez should have retired on his own terms after winning the Champions Trophy

Don't like this culture of disrespecting players who represented Pakistan for 15 years but then again, he only has himself to blame.
 
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