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[REPORTS] MS Dhoni asked to retire after 2019 World Cup

Should MS Dhoni retire from ODIs?

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He’s a legend, he gets to choose when to leave. Show some damn respeck.
 
Dhoni retiring will leave a huge void. People are forgetting that India will have 2 mental midgets at 4 and 5 in the near future. If they are going to wait on Shaw and Gill, then Rahul will be at 4 and Pant probably at 5 and Hardik at 7. They need a guiding hand at 6 with some experience. That no.6 has to guide the 4, 5, 7 and the batting dummies at 8, 9, 10, 11. Who will that no.6 be with Dhoni, Jadav and DK gone? I think They will keep Dhoni around for a year for this reason even if they bat Rahul at 3 and Kohli at 4.
 
38 is not an age for professional, competitive sport. Whatever one may say, it is time for MSD to quit.

He is not, I repeat *NOT* the impactful player he used to be. For those of us who have seen him in his prime, watching him now is a painful experience.

As for advising Jadeja in the SF game against New Zealand? Are you kidding me? Is Jadeja, a veteran of 152 ODIs, so 'inexperienced' that he needs to be 'advised' in a crunch situation? I fail to understand how some Dhoni fans can come up with such an asinine argument. Makes me worry about the common sense of the average Indian.
And then there are the village i**ots who claim that Dhoni is needed to advise Virat Kohli on reviews. If Virat, a veteran of 200+ ODIs still needs 'advise' on an integral part of the game like reviews then he should quit as captain.

A cricket team is supposed to have has eleven players with defined roles, and 'advisor' is not one of them.

Dhoni has done enough and needs to go. Period.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol what? You said we gave the cup for him when I asked how, you brought India's game against England. That was not a knock out game so please explain how is Dhoni responsible for India's exit from the World Cup?

You are showing sympathy towards Pant and highlighting how he came when we were 4 down but intentionally forgeting Dhoni came when we were 5 down.

Jaddu was able to play that because Dhoni stayed there with him. Dhoni was not a hero in that knock out match but he wasn't a villain either. Pant and Pandya had a golden opportunity to repeat what peak Dhoni, Raina and Yuvi used to do for India but they failed.

I know its been more than 5 years but you have surely lost that sensibility and have slowly turned into a whining little fan. :inti
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Really BVB?

Haha.

You have posted a lot of stuff in recent times for which I have had strong reactions.

A LOT of stuff.

I would never call you out just because of old times sake. And trust me, it took a lot of self control.

I have changed definitely over the years. :D

But you too aren't the same poster you were 5 years back.
 
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Dhoni should retire now. Everyone has to go some day, so it be.. He doesn't have much to offer IMO. India batsmen and captain should move on from him now.

Pant is the future of Indian cricket and he has shown signs that not only is he an incredible hitter of the bowl but he can build an inning as well. NZ game was an ultimate level high pressure and it was unfair to expect a 5-match guy to lead the Indian inning and save the team from a 5/3 situation. If he had a senior player on other end, he would have played a good support role well.

Remember, when Kohli played that 35 runs inning in WC 2011 final, there was Gambhir who not only was leading the batting but also taking up the charge and removing pressure from a young kohli who was initially struggling.

Pant didn't had any support, which is why MSD should have come up higher and hold one end, allowing Pant to bat sensibly and not been asked to play completely different kind of inning opposite to his natural game.
 
Seems he wants to hang around until next year's World T20.
 
Meanwhile we should start working on Shubham Gill to invest him on no. 4.

For opening slot, Rohit and Dhawan are there. Shaw is a backup and if they want, Rahul can also be considered.
 
Dhoni's advises are invaluable to every player including the captain himself, how I wish that Dhoni also advised himself while batting
 
I don't know why people are complaining about when he retires, I am now of the opinion that he should never retire. Let him play until he is atleast a 100. We need his experience and bravery, I mean sending a no 7 and a kid who hasn't even played 10 games before himself in a world cup semis with the score 5-3, such bravery is rare in today's world.

Frankly how India always seem to collapse against swing, we need more experience not less. Who wants these untested young kids like gill and shaw let's go for tried and tested players like dravid, if anyone can play out swing it's dravid. He will solve our no 4 problem.

Also poor bumrah is too burdened by the other pacer, shami can't bowl at death, bhuvi can't pick wickets. What we need is someone who could do both. Let's bring back zaheer, who better to mentor a bowling unit than the bowler who won us the 2011 world cup.

Also while we are at it, I feel we should also bring back kalil, no one better to mentor pandya and solve our batting inability issues with bowlers.

We will have a heck of a team for 2023 world cup and beyond. Let's see who beats these greats.
 
Ab Fan said:
Dhoni should retire now. Everyone has to go some day, so it be.. He doesn't have much to offer IMO. India batsmen and captain should move on from him now.

Pant is the future of Indian cricket and he has shown signs that not only is he an incredible hitter of the bowl but he can build an inning as well. NZ game was an ultimate level high pressure and it was unfair to expect a 5-match guy to lead the Indian inning and save the team from a 5/3 situation. If he had a senior player on other end, he would have played a good support role well.

Remember, when Kohli played that 35 runs inning in WC 2011 final, there was Gambhir who not only was leading the batting but also taking up the charge and removing pressure from a young kohli who was initially struggling.

Pant didn't had any support, which is why MSD should have come up higher and hold one end, allowing Pant to bat sensibly and not been asked to play completely different kind of inning opposite to his natural game.
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Good observation! But I don't think Dhoni could handle that role! We needed a proper No.4 specialist batsman! Either we should groomed him by now OR somebody else (Kohli himself dropping to No.4 & maybe including Mayank at No.3 would have served on that day! But the team management persisted with DK's experience, neither he could come at No.4 or even No.5, huh!) Perhaps the initial batting lineup with Dhawan as opener and Rahul at No.4 would have worked well, we should also have stuck to Jadhav (in place of DK) to bat at No.5 or maybe Mayank. Dhawan's injury perhaps acted decisive, so with already underlying under-preparation issues this came like a big blow! Pant should have played in place of Dhoni or should never have got selected, too much to ask Pant to bat at No.4 (unless it is T20) Dhoni stayed in his comfort position (no.7) I don't think he would have done any better at No.4 (that's why he stayed back!) At No.7 he at least tried! Also Pandya coming at No.5 in all the matches was another stupidity!
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Really BVB?

Haha.

You have posted a lot of stuff in recent times for which I have had strong reactions.

A LOT of stuff.

I would never call you out just because of old times sake. And trust me, it took a lot of self control.

I have changed definitely over the years. :D

But you too aren't the same poster you were 5 years back.
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The same can be said about you buddy. Looks like you have been on an overdose of the saffron kool aid in the past 2 years. You used to be a good poster, now you are just another bakht.
 
Dhoni should go, hes done but India needs to find his alternative. They currently have none in terms of stablizing the innings. Pant is hit and miss.
 
Slim said:
The same can be said about you buddy. Looks like you have been on an overdose of the saffron kool aid in the past 2 years. You used to be a good poster, now you are just another bakht.
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Nah man.

Just goes to show how simple minded some people are.

Ever seen my posts about that saffron party in time pass forum? Go and read it. You might be surprised.

I believe I am a far better, fairer and more honest poster today than i ever was in the past.

Unlikeable tho but that's ok.

If my validation is dependent on me airing views that are favourable for one side or the other, I guess i don't need it. :D
 
I expect Dhoni to announce his retirement after the WC is over.

If he doesn't I guess we have to brace ourselves for 1-2 years of torture before he gets thrown out...

It will be a sad end to a great career.
 
RamLakhan said:
Good observation! But I don't think Dhoni could handle that role! We needed a proper No.4 specialist batsman! Either we should groomed him by now OR somebody else (Kohli himself dropping to No.4 & maybe including Mayank at No.3 would have served on that day! But the team management persisted with DK's experience, neither he could come at No.4 or even No.5, huh!) Perhaps the initial batting lineup with Dhawan as opener and Rahul at No.4 would have worked well, we should also have stuck to Jadhav (in place of DK) to bat at No.5 or maybe Mayank. Dhawan's injury perhaps acted decisive, so with already underlying under-preparation issues this came like a big blow! Pant should have played in place of Dhoni or should never have got selected, too much to ask Pant to bat at No.4 (unless it is T20) Dhoni stayed in his comfort position (no.7) I don't think he would have done any better at No.4 (that's why he stayed back!) At No.7 he at least tried! Also Pandya coming at No.5 in all the matches was another stupidity!
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240 was not a huge total, personally speaking. A masterclass inning from one guy was enough to seal the game for India and Jadeja's inning was a masterclass.

Dhoni should have batted at 5, Karthik at 4, Pant at 6, Pandya 7 and Jadeja at 8.

Or if Pant at 4, Dhoni at 5, Karthik at 6 and Pandya at 7.

The idea is that Dhoni would hold one end while the likes of Pant, Pandya and Jadeja would make scoreboard ticking. The depth was there in India's batting for that particular match and 240 wasn't huge total. Should have chased with that lineup.

Yes, I agree that India should have played a specialist bat at 4 rather than wicket-keepers like Karthik or Pant but for that match, India had enough batting depth and 240 should have been chased even after the scoreboard was reading 5/3 considering that Jaddu played almost a masterclass inning.
 
It was a great chance for Dhoni to bat at 4 or 5 and further cement his legacy as a legend of the game but he messed up and I am sorry people feel I am blaming him. It's the seniors that have to take the responsibility, not a 5 match old, who was never backed up before the World Cup, and all of a sudden is brought back straight into the tournament with no preparation and asked to play an uncharacteristic inning on a big occasion all of a sudden.

Asking him to play an inning opposite to his game and senior guy hiding himself out even though the requirement was perfect for him to go and tuk-tuk and become a hero.
 
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a place in the national side is the golden goose for someone like dhoni. dont think he will go. check the national tv, every second ad features him :)
 
Stokes playing a similar inning like Dhoni here. Lets see how many fans blame him if England doesn't win the final. :inti
 
Slim said:
Dhoni should go, hes done but India needs to find his alternative. They currently have none in terms of stablizing the innings. Pant is hit and miss.
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Have you followed Indian Test Cricket? Pant is not a hit/miss there and he is already reliable (the toughest format and hit/miss player will be found out here the most!) Pant has to bat at No.6, just like Buttler does for England (but he opens in IPL and also probably for his English T20 side if they need - perhaps they have enough players!) Only fools will expect him to be successful at No.4 in ODIs. The difference between ODIs/T20s is found out after this world cup! Just because there are many flat pitches around it gives a false indication that all your bright players should come up the order and face maximum deliveries! This world cup showed why No.4, No.5, No.6 are as important as No.1 to 3...
 
Ab Fan said:
240 was not a huge total, personally speaking. A masterclass inning from one guy was enough to seal the game for India and Jadeja's inning was a masterclass.

Dhoni should have batted at 5, Karthik at 4, Pant at 6, Pandya 7 and Jadeja at 8.

Or if Pant at 4, Dhoni at 5, Karthik at 6 and Pandya at 7.

The idea is that Dhoni would hold one end while the likes of Pant, Pandya and Jadeja would make scoreboard ticking. The depth was there in India's batting for that particular match and 240 wasn't huge total. Should have chased with that lineup.

Yes, I agree that India should have played a specialist bat at 4 rather than wicket-keepers like Karthik or Pant but for that match, India had enough batting depth and 240 should have been chased even after the scoreboard was reading 5/3 considering that Jaddu played almost a masterclass inning.
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The absence of specialist batsmen was again the reason for what happened in that match! If there was a specialist batsman there, he would have put his hands up and said that I will do this job for the team, I will take the responsibility (then what else he is there for?) The wicket-keepers just pointed fingers at each other and said you go first, you go next... Pant the junior most was made the scapegoat (No.4), Pandya the next junior became 2nd scapegoat (at No.6)... India just needed specialist batsmen at No.4 & No.5, that's it problem solved! At No.6 - one wicket keeper, No.7 - one A/R - Pandya! Jadeja was a bonus on that day (his special knock was probably not needed if No.4 to No.7 batsmen played their role properly! Of course Jadeja's innings would have made life easier and India would have won comfortably in comparison to how England won the tight game! In fact it looks Jadeja is good enough bat in Top 7, he also has some age left - like Shakib!)
 
RamLakhan said:
The absence of specialist batsmen was again the reason for what happened in that match! If there was a specialist batsman there, he would have put his hands up and said that I will do this job for the team, I will take the responsibility (then what else he is there for?) The wicket-keepers just pointed fingers at each other and said you go first, you go next... Pant the junior most was made the scapegoat (No.4), Pandya the next junior became 2nd scapegoat (at No.6)... India just needed specialist batsmen at No.4 & No.5, that's it problem solved! At No.6 - one wicket keeper, No.7 - one A/R - Pandya! Jadeja was a bonus on that day (his special knock was probably not needed if No.4 to No.7 batsmen played their role properly! Of course Jadeja's innings would have made life easier and India would have won comfortably in comparison to how England won the tight game! In fact it looks Jadeja is good enough bat in Top 7, he also has some age left - like Shakib!)
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But did we had any specialists batsmen??

Rayudu was dropped after being backed completely before the World Cup. Jadhav wasn't utilized at all after three years of completely backing him up before WC.

India either should have backed Pant post the CT debacle so that he would have had some experience going in the WC or asked MS Dhoni to bat at 4 or 5 in that match. The situation was perfect for him to come, grind out and hold one end. 240 wasn't a big total and his tuk-tuk was the exact need of that hour..
 
Ab Fan said:
But did we had any specialists batsmen??

Rayudu was dropped after being backed completely before the World Cup. Jadhav wasn't utilized at all after three years of completely backing him up before WC.

India either should have backed Pant post the CT debacle so that he would have had some experience going in the WC or asked MS Dhoni to bat at 4 or 5 in that match. The situation was perfect for him to come, grind out and hold one end. 240 wasn't a big total and his tuk-tuk was the exact need of that hour..
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I know we didn't have! I was talking about the underlying problem and it cost us eventually as everyone expected! You know the teams in this world cup, they were not so strong (compared to 1999, 2003, 2007 or even 2015) We had a golden chance! If we had covered up that visible weakness (No.4 & No.5), then we would have been much stronger than all these teams! We saw how England & NZ played! We would have won comfortably instead of toiling so hard! Our Top Order would not have faltered in 2 matches consecutively and while defending our bowlers would have did much better job picking up wickets in middle overs! That's why I am so disappointed!
 
He should have retired at least 1 year before leading into the world cup. Cost India a game or 2 this world cup for sure..
 
I remember Adam Gilchrist fumbled a chance in the controversial India/Australia series. He told later on "that was it". He decided to quit after that. Dhoni missed a chance of Ross Taylor in the semi final not to mention several collection fumbles throughout the world cup. Only difference between Gilchrist and Dhoni is, Dhoni is backed by 30 sponsors. So he will shamelessly continue playing instead of calling it quits.
 
shaaik said:
He should have retired at least 1 year before leading into the world cup. Cost India a game or 2 this world cup for sure..
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His errors are really costly. Jason Roy's dismissal there would have buried England. Drop of Taylor was another costly error. Missed byes were costly.
 
MUMBAI: The final word on the immediate and long-term future of India’s 2011 World Cup-winning captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni is out. The wicketkeeper-batsman, who played his fourth and final 50-over World Cup in England, will not travel to the West Indies.
Dhoni, who was widely expected to retire after the World Cup, has made himself unavailable for the three ODIs and three T20Is in the Caribbean and will keep it that way for a certain period of time. Thereafter, he will participate in a “transitioning phase” in Indian cricket.

Sources told TOI, “MS will not go to the West Indies. Going forward, he will not travel with the team within India or overseas as the first-choice wicketkeeper. Rishabh Pant will take over and there will be a grooming window for him until he settles down. During this time, MS will help in the transition. For all you know, he could be part of the 15 but not part of the 11. This team needs a guiding hand on multiple fronts and wishing MS away is clearly unhealthy”.

Those in the know of developments say Dhoni doesn’t have to be told that he needs to go. “He’s already proved himself to be the kind of guy who preferred ‘why’ more than ‘when’ where his career graph is concerned. He’ll go, but what’s the hurry?” say sources.
The national selection committee is scheduled to meet on Thursday to pick the team for the West Indies tour.

Dinesh Karthik, senior to Pant and 34 going on 35 right now, will continue to be part of the team depending on how the selectors see him fit. The Tamil Nadu cricketer, who was part of India’s World Cup strategy primarily as the second-choice wicketkeeper and played the last couple of matches as batsman owing to injuries to certain players, will not be Dhoni’s replacement in the larger context.
“Pant will be 22 this October. There’s a World T20 scheduled in Australia by the time he turns 23. He’s shown the right potential and also has some work to do. A year is a good time to undergo that transition,” sources said.

Those tracking developments say Dhoni will not want to retire from the game because he’s got another year at Chennai Super Kings. Fresh player contracts in IPL were signed by franchises in 2018 for a three-year term, during which franchises also retained their star cricketers on similar terms. “MS can’t just walk away like that. The Super Kings ride on him and he’s the franchise’s backbone. Not just the Indian team, he has to oversee a transition there too. After all, it’s been more than a decade-long association with them,” say those within the IPL fraternity.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ms-smooth-transition/articleshow/70252655.cms
 
MS Dhoni Doubtful For West Indies Tour, Will Participate In "Transitioning Phase" For Team India: Re

MS Dhoni remains one of the biggest cricket icons the game has ever known but in the twilight years of his career, he has been subjected to a lot of criticism because of his low scoring rate and sluggish knocks. According to latest reports, MS Dhoni, who was widely expected to retire after India's exit from World Cup 2019, has made himself unavailable for the limited-overs leg of India's upcoming full tour of the West Indies. "MS will not go to the West Indies. Going forward, he will not travel with the team within India or overseas as the first-choice wicketkeeper. Rishabh Pant will take over and there will be a grooming window for him until he settles down. During this time, MS will help in the transition. For all you know, he could be part of the 15 but not part of the 11. This team needs a guiding hand on multiple fronts and wishing MS away is clearly unhealthy," a source was quoted as saying by the Times Of India.

The report added that MS Dhoni will participate in a "transitioning phase" of Indian cricket.

During the recently-concluded World Cup 2019, India played true to their favourites tag by winning seven of the eight games with the one against New Zealand getting called off due to rain.

They lost to England, but still managed to top the table with 15 points from nine matches.

During the tournament, Dhoni scored 273 runs in eight innings but his 50-run knock in the semi-final against New Zealand could not help India cross the finish line.

The Indian team for next month's tour of the West Indies will be announced on July 19 with the limited-overs leg beginning on August 3.

https://sports.ndtv.com/west-indies...sitioning-phase-for-team-india-report-2070897
 
Rishabh Pant was thrown into test team to play in Eng and Aus, but he needs grooming in ODIs to be played in India :msd
 
he could be part of the 15 but not part of the 11. This team needs a guiding hand on multiple fronts and wishing MS away is clearly unhealthy
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Saint Dhoni!
 
Not sure what the beef is between Yuvraj's dad and Dhoni but the guy has a severe amount of disdain for MSD.

A former Indian Test cricketer and the father of one of India's greatest batsmen claiming the MSD purposefully under-performed against England to help enable Pakistan's exit, and that It was mainly Dhoni's idea and no one else in the team.
 
Rana said:
Not sure what the beef is between Yuvraj's dad and Dhoni but the guy has a severe amount of disdain for MSD.

A former Indian Test cricketer and the father of one of India's greatest batsmen claiming the MSD purposefully under-performed against England to help enable Pakistan's exit, and that It was mainly Dhoni's idea and no one else in the team.
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You need to know about his history with his own son. He’s a complete nutcase, a loonatic.
 
Rana said:
Not sure what the beef is between Yuvraj's dad and Dhoni but the guy has a severe amount of disdain for MSD.

A former Indian Test cricketer and the father of one of India's greatest batsmen claiming the MSD purposefully under-performed against England to help enable Pakistan's exit, and that It was mainly Dhoni's idea and no one else in the team.
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He also said Dhoni lost the SF on purpose because he wanted to remain the only modern captain of India to win the world cup. Yuvi's dad is a closet Dhoni fan. Always gives excuses for his failures and never doubts his abilities.
 
spiderreddy said:
Rishabh Pant was thrown into test team to play in Eng and Aus, but he needs grooming in ODIs to be played in India :msd
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More likely MSD may have signed some sort of contract of fixed duration with one of those player management companies. As we know these contracts have clauses that if a player retires during the term, he will lose a great deal of money.

Without going into detail, it was a similar situation with Tendulkar who retired in installments. :wenger
 
Dhoni was asked to retire????
What the hell. He should be thrown out of Indian team. He has singlehandedly destroyed Indian team. If BCCI doesnt show him the door then im DONE WITH THIS CRAP INDIAN TEAM FOR GOOD.

#Raptors
 
I wait everyday to hear his retirement announcement. Only that can take away the pain of us exiting the world cup. I used to be a big fan of Dhoni, the man has won everything there is to win but I have no idea how he deteriorated to such a low extent in the last three-four years. He has lost the ability to score quick runs and his gall to leave innocuous deliveries outside off when asking rate is touching double digits proved to be last straw. The frustration gets amplified by fan boys who justify his batting using every possible excuse (primarily whataboutism ) and even shamelessly credit Jadeja's success down to Dhoni's advice. His Keeping although top notch thus far is showing cracks and for all the talk about fitness, he could not put in a dive when it mattered. I refuse to buy the excuse of us not having an alternative to Dhoni as the reason for him still playing on, it only reflects the poor decisions made by the selection committee, coach and captain.

Please leave and stick to IPL where you can club low quality bowlers and appease your fan boys. Your strategy of only hitting after the 48th over cost us many games including the world cup. Thanks for all the service though.
 
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Pant is not ready yet

I feel Dhoni should play the next T20 WC. Indian blaming it all on Dhoni :facepalm:
 
Youngsters need mentoring

There is no one better than him. Likes of Gill and others can learn a lot from him by just sharing the dressing room with him
 
shah_1 said:
Pant is not ready yet

I feel Dhoni should play the next T20 WC. Indian blaming it all on Dhoni :facepalm:
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shah_1 said:
Youngsters need mentoring

There is no one better than him. Likes of Gill and others can learn a lot from him by just sharing the dressing room with him
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Agreed and I hope Pakistan plays Malik, Hafeez and even brings YK and misbah back for T20 world cup. Pakistani youngsters need the support of these legends in next T20 WC :).
 
big_gamer007 said:
Agreed and I hope Pakistan plays Malik, Hafeez and even brings YK and misbah back for T20 world cup. Pakistani youngsters need the support of these legends in next T20 WC :).
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They are not performing and Dhoni is. He averages 45+ with a strike rate of 87 in this world cup. The solution is to weed out the non performers first. Kedar Yadav and DK should be the first booted out of the team .

Don't become Pakistan where everything is radical and the results are zero.
 
If keeping Dhoni in the side and having Kohli as captain didn't help India win the worldcup, I think its time for Dhoni to retire and Kohli to step down as captain of Team India..
 
Dhoni atleast deserves a crack for the 2020 T20 WC. I think initially he would’ve loved to retire in a home World Cup like Sachin did but don’t think it will happen now.

Also. His performances in World Cup were good if he had been a #4 batsman. It’s Indian managements mistake that he played as a #7 at times
 
Slog said:
Dhoni atleast deserves a crack for the 2020 T20 WC. I think initially he would’ve loved to retire in a home World Cup like Sachin did but don’t think it will happen now.

Also. His performances in World Cup were good if he had been a #4 batsman. It’s Indian managements mistake that he played as a #7 at times
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HELL NO

HE DESERVES NOTHING. IF ANYTHING HE DESERVES TO BE THROWN OUT OF TEAM.

T20 is supposed to be grooming ground for young and upcoming youngsters. Last thing as an Indian fan would want is Dhoni Tuk Tuking in WT20

He should’ve retired after 2015 WC and here we are talking about grandpa deserve to play another ICC event next year :facepalm:
 
shah_1 said:
They are not performing and Dhoni is. He averages 45+ with a strike rate of 87 in this world cup. The solution is to weed out the non performers first. Kedar Yadav and DK should be the first booted out of the team .

Don't become Pakistan where everything is radical and the results are zero.
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Dhoni, KD, DK all need to go. In fact all should have been thrown out back in 2017 if not 2015 itself. Next world cup is in 2023 none of them will play, no one cares about bilaterals so let's get a group of 20-25 players who will most likely play 2023 world cup and groom them..

Already lost a world cup because of poor management and planning. No point losing another
 
Slog said:
Dhoni atleast deserves a crack for the 2020 T20 WC. I think initially he would’ve loved to retire in a home World Cup like Sachin did but don’t think it will happen now.

Also. His performances in World Cup were good if he had been a #4 batsman. It’s Indian managements mistake that he played as a #7 at times
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So does shoaib Malik and Hafeez. I hope they play :)
 
big_gamer007 said:
Dhoni, KD, DK all need to go. In fact all should have been thrown out back in 2017 if not 2015 itself. Next world cup is in 2023 none of them will play, no one cares about bilaterals so let's get a group of 20-25 players who will most likely play 2023 world cup and groom them..

Already lost a world cup because of poor management and planning. No point losing another
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Build the team incrementally, and smartly.
 
If the reports of Dhoni wanting to play the world t20 in Australia next year are true then he’s lost the plot. He’ll be 39 and a half when the next tournament takes place.
 
He should have retired 2 years ago, after CT. India always had and still have similar seniors problem as we do, I guess this is Desi thing ;-)
 
yasir said:
He should have retired 2 years ago, after CT. India always had and still have similar seniors problem as we do, I guess this is Desi thing ;-)
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Not Desi thing. What is happening with Malik is Desi thing. What is happening with Dhoni is different. Dhoni is bigger than BCCI, ICC, world cup etc. He is a money-making brand for the game of cricket. He has a staggering PR machinery. He is like a mythological character. He will go on his own terms no matter how much we think he should have gone 4 years back. He is still having ad sponsors queuing up for him.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not Desi thing. What is happening with Malik is Desi thing. What is happening with Dhoni is different. Dhoni is bigger than BCCI, ICC, world cup etc. He is a money-making brand for the game of cricket. He has a staggering PR machinery. He is like a mythological character. He will go on his own terms no matter how much we think he should have gone 4 years back. He is still having ad sponsors queuing up for him.
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Yes he needs to mentor the youngsters till 2027 worldcup and guide guys like pant and Gill well in to their 30's.

Yes he is bigger than SRT,Bradman and the game itself.Father time will put everyone in their place,Even the Mythological avatar of MSD.
 
sivanand82 said:
Yes he needs to mentor the youngsters till 2027 worldcup and guide guys like pant and Gill well in to their 30's.

Yes he is bigger than SRT,Bradman and the game itself.Father time will put everyone in their place,Even the Mythological avatar of MSD.
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Whether you like it or not Indian selection is largely controlled by sponsors. If you dig deep and see who aer all getting longer ropes, who are getting more chances you will find something common between them. Most probably they represent same brand or similar brand. No other country suffers from this. It is all good India is making chunk of money that ICC makes. But it is also a curse. Players get this power through these sponsors.
 
Agree with you sponsor clout.But there is more to it in this scenario.
Mamaji@work in the back office.:ma
But as cricket Fan i thank i have this forum to express my views even if it did not matter much
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not Desi thing. What is happening with Malik is Desi thing. What is happening with Dhoni is different. Dhoni is bigger than BCCI, ICC, world cup etc. He is a money-making brand for the game of cricket. He has a staggering PR machinery. He is like a mythological character. He will go on his own terms no matter how much we think he should have gone 4 years back. He is still having ad sponsors queuing up for him.
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This is probably Indian thing, making somebody GOD out of nothing... Dhoni is average talent, mentally strong though, but Indian makes him way more than he actual worth. Lot of marketing, little substance...He has lost 3/4 major tournaments knockout games in a row...Only good innings he had was 2011WC Final, rest is barely imfactful... Probably Indians has a cultural needs of living Gods, that's why they manufacture them all the time :facepalm:

Dhoni is bigger than Indian Cricket, if this is mentality of media and fans, that's a big shame, Indian team is not as professional as I thought they are, fans need to come out of the superstition and midivil cultural mindset :acp:
 
So any updates on this guy? Guess he is going to do this army thing and leave us all puzzled as to if he is retiring or not.

Seems like in India, Dhoni is bigger than cricket. What a time waster.
 
'MS Dhoni won't be playing forever,' former captain Sourav Ganguly warns Team India

India's most successful captain MS Dhoni is in the final lap of his extraordinary career with speculations rife about his imminent retirement from international cricket. One of the most gifted cricketers to have played for the country, Dhoni's achievements as a cricketer are second to none as he looks all but set to draw curtains on what has been a fairytale career. He was expected to step aside from international cricket post India's exit from the ICC World Cup 2019 but has so far remained tight-lipped on his future.

Dhoni started his career under Sourav Ganguly, who had shown immense faith in the abilities of the wicket-keeper batsman from Ranchi. Ganguly played a vital role in shaping Dhoni's career and moulding him into one of the finest wicket-keeper batsmen to have played for India. It was Ganguly's gamble to promote Dhoni at no.3 in an ODI against Pakistan in Vizag in 2003, which saw the rise of Indian cricket's next big star. Dhoni scored his maiden ODI century en route a match-winning 148 after being promoted to bat at no. 3 by Ganguly, who sacrificed his spot for the youngster.

Dhoni never looked back after announcing his arrival to the world in style and led India to triumphs at the World T20 in 2007, ODI World Cup in 2007 and the Champions Trophy in 2013 while bagging several trophies as captain in between the three major feats. Having handed over the captaincy baton to Virat Kohli across formats in 2017, Dhoni has remained a vital cog in the limited-overs setup but with age and waning batting prowess getting better of the veteran, his spot in the team has come under the scanner.

Ganguly, who has been a close witness to Dhoni's remarkable rise, feels Indian cricket will have to soon realise that Dhoni won't be around forever and prepare for life after the 38-year-old. He also added that Dhoni should ask himself is he is still the consistent match-winner that he was in his prime for Team India.

"He is at that stage of his career where he has to evaluate where he stands. He has to decide if he can win matches for India. If he can continue to contribute like MS Dhoni, not someone else," Ganguly said in an interview.

"Indian cricket will have to get used to the fact that MS Dhoni won't be playing forever and he won't be around for too long. But I believe this decision has to be taken by Dhoni himself," he further reckoned.

Dhoni recently became only the second Indian cricketer after legendary Sachin Tendulkar to play 350 ODIs. The veteran wicket-keeper batsman has amassed 10,773 runs in ODIs at an average of 50.57 and is expected to stay around for another year before he decides to hang his boots.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...-prepare-for-life-after-his-retirement/476431
 
Ab Fan said:
Dhoni should retire now. Everyone has to go some day, so it be.. He doesn't have much to offer IMO. India batsmen and captain should move on from him now.

Pant is the future of Indian cricket and he has shown signs that not only is he an incredible hitter of the bowl but he can build an inning as well. NZ game was an ultimate level high pressure and it was unfair to expect a 5-match guy to lead the Indian inning and save the team from a 5/3 situation. If he had a senior player on other end, he would have played a good support role well.

Remember, when Kohli played that 35 runs inning in WC 2011 final, there was Gambhir who not only was leading the batting but also taking up the charge and removing pressure from a young kohli who was initially struggling.

Pant didn't had any support, which is why MSD should have come up higher and hold one end, allowing Pant to bat sensibly and not been asked to play completely different kind of inning opposite to his natural game.
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[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION], don't you think Pant should had a senior player on other end guiding him in that run-chase in such a big game?
 
Dhonis time is up, he has achieved everything as a cricketer.

raise his kids and enjoy his life.
 
The funny thing is that Pant is not ready to take over from him in ODI format, as Pant is ordinary in the 50 overs format.
 
Ab Fan said:
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION], don't you think Pant should had a senior player on other end guiding him in that run-chase in such a big game?
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Rishabh Pant would have still gone for that glory shot and gifted his wicket away. He was batting alongside Pandya who is an automatic selection for all three formats and has been playing for the last 3-4 years for India.

I know you are thinking he is just 21 year old and he will get better with age. At the same age Yuvraj and Kaif chased 326 against England in 2002 Natwest Trophy final. Big players prove themselves on big occasions. They had no senior player to guide them on the other hand. They were both young and 20-21 year olds. Not to forget there was no IPL and no experience of playing along side big players in IPL as claimed by IPL fans themselves. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Rishabh Pant would have still gone for that glory shot and gifted his wicket away. He was batting alongside Pandya who is an automatic selection for all three formats and has been playing for the last 3-4 years for India.

I know you are thinking he is just 21 year old and he will get better with age. At the same age Yuvraj and Kaif chased 326 against England in 2002 Natwest Trophy final. Big players prove themselves on big occasions. They had no senior player to guide them on the other hand. They were both young and 20-21 year olds. Not to forget there was no IPL and no experience of playing along side big players in IPL as claimed by IPL fans themselves. :inti
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Yuvraj had played 50 ODI games by then and he batted at 6 in that match. Kaif batted at 7. Latter is anyways a failure in international cricket, so can ignore.

India vs NZ game was Pant's 8th match. Atleast wait for total 20 games without concluding anything.

And it seems you are having issues with Pant and Pandya only. Why you dont have an issue with Jadhav who was also playing for last three years in ODIs and came the WC, he batted in merely a couple of games including the one vs England and hardly got any backing by team management to bat up the order and take responsibility.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yuvraj had played 50 ODI games by then and he batted at 6 in that match. Kaif batted at 7. Latter is anyways a failure in international cricket, so can ignore.

India vs NZ game was Pant's 8th match. Atleast wait for total 20 games without concluding anything.

And it seems you are having issues with Pant and Pandya only. Why you dont have an issue with Jadhav who was also playing for last three years in ODIs and came the WC, he batted in merely a couple of games including the one vs England and hardly got any backing by team management to bat up the order and take responsibility.
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I don't rate Jadhav either. I had issues with Jadhav as well but then sensible indian fan told me he is going be a special player few months back when he was scoring runs in India. I told him then that this Jadhav guy is going to fail abroad. Nobody hyped Jadhav anyway so we are all on the same page as far as Jadhav is concerned.

I am against Pant and Pandya as long as their f@nboys are overhyping them and think that these players are above criticism and deserves more chances. Their hypocrisy is exposed badly when a new comer they don't like plays for India. They want him out asap because they can predict the future then. But they have problems when someone like me says the same thing about their favorite boy.

Pant or Pandya may be world beaters and champion players in your opinion but in my opinion they are mediocre and inconsistent players who are going to cost india many matches in the future. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I don't rate Jadhav either. I had issues with Jadhav as well but then sensible indian fan told me he is going be a special player few months back when he was scoring runs in India. I told him then that this Jadhav guy is going to fail abroad. Nobody hyped Jadhav anyway so we are all on the same page as far as Jadhav is concerned.

I am against Pant and Pandya as long as their f@nboys are overhyping them and think that these players are above criticism and deserves more chances. Their hypocrisy is exposed badly when a new comer they don't like plays for India. They want him out asap because they can predict the future then. But they have problems when someone like me says the same thing about their favorite boy.

Pant or Pandya may be world beaters and champion players in your opinion but in my opinion they are mediocre and inconsistent players who are going to cost india many matches in the future. :inti
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Been lurking around this thread and your posts about Pant and I agree. Pant is overhyped, this guy always slogs out and gets out. Dhoni is still better, and he provides experience and stability. Pant needs to learn how to play more maturely.
I think Dhoni should be India' number 4 for the next 2 years or so. Iyer can be number 5. Pandya can play at 7 as he's decent to up the run rate later on in the game.
 
How long will this drama continue, just humiliate him and kick him out of the team just like he did with sehwag, zaheer, gambhir.
 
Think its time to move on from Dhoni now, just let him retire in peace. I don't think India need him anymore, he was a liability with the bat in the WC and Kohli is an able enough captain now that he doesn't really need Dhoni's input anymore.
 
[Reports] MS Dhoni to make announcement at 7pm IST

Reports are suggesting M.S. Dhoni will be announcing his retirement from cricket today.
 
Hence that random tweet from Kohli on Dhoni

He dseeved a proper send off like Malinga in ODIs
 
If in case the speculations turn out to be true, I would like him to play one more series before signing it off.
 
Prolonged his career for 2 years too long which unfortunately reduced his legacy somewhat.
 
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