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According to sources, PCB has started planning for the upcoming FTP cycle of 2023-2027 and the board is not looking for a series with India this time.

In previous cases, Pakistan would always leave the series window empty in the FTP cycles despite there were no series held between the two countries. But I suppose given the non-cooperation from the Indian side has resulted in a rethink.
 
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Finally, we have a board that has self respect and honour.
I absolutely abhorred the days of Zaka, Shahryar and Sethi when they would take their begging bowl only to get denied ignominiously.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
Finally, we have a board that has self respect and honour.
I absolutely abhorred the days of Zaka, Shahryar and Sethi when they would take their begging bowl only to get denied ignominiously.
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All of them were clowns of the highest order specially that beghairat and corrupt sethi.
 
So hopefully no statement in future from Wasim and mani about losing money due to India. Good decision hopefully thru stick to their stance.
 
Got to say, this current PCB regime is extremely competent and professional.

Never thought I'd use all those words in the same sentence but here we are...:)
 
Khan12 said:
All of them were clowns of the highest order specially that beghairat and corrupt sethi.
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Sethi should return the millions he wasted on that useless MOU legal battle.

He's also the one who agreed to all these 2 Test series in current FTP.
 
I trust Wasim Khan when he says that the PCB and BCCI surprisingly have cordial/respectful relations.

Hopefully we will see a shift towards friendship in this next decade as long as WK is there to serve
 
Markhor said:
Sethi should return the millions he wasted on that useless MOU legal battle.

He's also the one who agreed to all these 2 Test series in current FTP.
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Agreed. That clown should be held accountable.
 
Some good steps. When a board can not put aside politics from sports in almost over a decade and is rigid about it, there is no point pursuing the cause of decent cricketing relations. Going towards 3 tests is also an excellent move.
 
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Shukkar rabba.at last sense prevails.Who cares about Indian series.Way to go Wasim khan and co.
 
Mesozoic said:
Got to say, this current PCB regime is extremely competent and professional.

Never thought I'd use all those words in the same sentence but here we are...:)
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Yet we have our resident propagandist who tries to spin everything in a way to show them in bad light, while singing hymns for that crook Sethi.

The changes made in Wasim khan's tenure will be a game changer for Pakistan cricket and this will become apparent as the time goes on.
 
Welldone Wasim Khan, work hard to build a strong cricket team, true cricket fans will demand Ind Pak matches, this will put pressure on BCCI and they will come. Focus on rest of the cricket teams at the moment...:pkflag
 
This is like blocking someone on WhatsApp after he/she has blocked you already.

A useless show of bravado.
 
Mamoon said:
This is like blocking someone on WhatsApp after he/she has blocked you already.

A useless show of bravado.
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This should have been done right at the beginning but we had pro India idiots running PCB.I don't
understand why they kept begging India to play with Pakistan.
 
Great step. Now hopefully our stupid media will stop asking questions regarding ind pak cricket from the pcb. Sethi was an absolute joke of a chairman. He neglected domestic cricket and wasted millions of dollars on an mou. What an incompetent loser!
 
decent move but this does not make the board competent all of a sudden etc, it was common sense and should have been done a long time ago
 
Its not such a great step tbh to ignore someone who is already ignoring you. As someone mentioned above, its like blocking your ex in watsapp who has already blocked you long back. I am sure if tomorrow BCCI asks PCB for a bilateral tour, Wasim Khan would oblige.
 
[MENTION=152972]Pacy with wisdom[/MENTION] bhai, Mamoonbhai did not say anything wrong though.
 
Rajdeep said:
Its not such a great step tbh to ignore someone who is already ignoring you. As someone mentioned above, its like blocking your ex in watsapp who has already blocked you long back. I am sure if tomorrow BCCI asks PCB for a bilateral tour, Wasim Khan would oblige.
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So if your ex ignored you or blocked you long time ago, would it not be better to block her now and salvage/rebuild some self respect?

Or would you continue on being hopeful, and cry to the world about how much you miss her, begging her to take you back in spite of her giving no hoots about your feelings?
I know what i would do, and it is definitely not what you seem to recommend.

And no, BCCI will not magically ask for a bilateral tour now given the geopolitical scenario which keeps on worsening, so your point is moot there.

After the recent dossier on the Indian involvement in Pakistan's security problems and the recent reveal of an Indian disinformation network, the Government of Pakistan is on the offensive.

So dont expect the same response from Wasim khan like you would from a PCB chairman during the Nawaz/Zardari era, because the philosophy of dealing with India in the present regime is totally different.
 
Genuinely feel sad about it but they have no other choice.
 
Mamoon said:
This is like blocking someone on WhatsApp after he/she has blocked you already.

A useless show of bravado.
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Its never too late to show some self respect We have the likes of sethi and co to thank for the lack of it in the past

Well done wasim khan and co
 
This should have been done many years ago. Instead PCB regimes lived in hope and in cloud cuckoo land.
 
It took them a dozen years, but I guess they've finally seen the light.

They can still expect some pseudo Indo-Pak encounters like the Asia Cup of 2018, where there were potentially as many as 3 Ind-Pak games.
 
Well Bcci has shown no interest in playing a series, so it goes without saying that pcb was not going to get a India tour. So whats their to exclude, when it doesn't exist.

If Bcci agrees to a tour, there will be space for it automatically.
 
Zaz said:
Its never too late to show some self respect We have the likes of sethi and co to thank for the lack of it in the past

Well done wasim khan and co
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This is no self-respect.

Let me show what self-respect would look like - BCCI offering PCB a bilateral series and PCB turns it down. Now that would be an act of self-respect.

Do you think Wasim Khan and co. will have the courage to say no to India?

Acting tough is easy when nothing is at stake.
 
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I think it was fine that we previously left the door open for a series with India. It's now clear to see that they were the ones who refused to play, so the responsibility for non-engagement with ICC Test championship lies solely with them.

Pakistan now have a strong defense if India ever try and force Pakistan out of any world events. We have tried, so don't look at us as the culpable party.

Ultimately from this chain of events Pakistan have come out looking better here and history will remember that.
 
I think PCB should refuse to play with India in ICC tournaments. Why should we play against India in those tournaments to make ICC rich? We rather loose 2 points.
 
Mamoon said:
He did what he felt was the right thing to do at the time.

Besides, PCB would have taken BCCI to court whether Sethi was in charge or not.
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For what? Last time we lost to a case and paid huge fines.
 
Mamoon said:
This is like blocking someone on WhatsApp after he/she has blocked you already.

A useless show of bravado.
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No, this is like not leaving a slot every Saturday afternoon in case the person who blocked you on whatsapp wants to hang out. Seems obvious no? Well Sethi and the previous management didn’t think so.

Wasim Khan is a breath of fresh air and it’s becoming harder for you to find a problem with each of his good decisions. He may go on to become the best thing that happened to Pakistan cricket for decades.
 
Very good decision from PCBs part should give them credit for focusing on what can be achieved and the reality of the situation.

Though Wasim Khan has stated that PCB and BCCI have a professional relationship, this will probably not develop further for at least the next 5 years.

We should be focused on our own cricket, and give the slimmest afterthought to a series that both sides are clearly not interested in. It's a competent decision, and finally, it seems as though the PCB is using their brains in decision-making.
 
Forum363 said:
No, this is like not leaving a slot every Saturday afternoon in case the person who blocked you on whatsapp wants to hang out. Seems obvious no? Well Sethi and the previous management didn’t think so.

Wasim Khan is a breath of fresh air and it’s becoming harder for you to find a problem with each of his good decisions. He may go on to become the best thing that happened to Pakistan cricket for decades.
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If BCCI wants to “hang out”, PCB will immediately pick up the phone. That is why this thundering by PCB is useless.

If BCCI wants to resume bilateral cricket with Pakistan, PCB will oblige. Self-respect would be PCB saying no when BCCI says yes.
 
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Even though a bit late but a very sensible step by PCB.

Some really pathetic posts in this thread by the usual suspects :facepalm:
 
Rana said:
I trust Wasim Khan when he says that the PCB and BCCI surprisingly have cordial/respectful relations.

Hopefully we will see a shift towards friendship in this next decade as long as WK is there to serve
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I think the problem is just Modi. As long as he is there, no chance there will be a tour. If a different government comes into place, I think it becomes more likely in that instance then.

I don't think the board BCCI itself has a problem with playing us since they would just make a whole ton of money off it. If and when this government is gone, I think that's when we will start seeing tours scheduled.
 
Mamoon said:
If BCCI wants to “hang out”, PCB will immediately pick up the phone. That is why this thundering by PCB is useless.

If BCCI wants to resume bilateral cricket with Pakistan, PCB will oblige. Self-respect would be PCB saying no when BCCI says yes.
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They will say no. The thinking and philosophy of the government is not how it was during Nawaz's regime and the PCB will reflect that.

We no longer have compromised traitors at the helm. The previous PM even had a policy communicated to the foreign office to never talk about India, so as to not displease them.

As i have mentioned above, the handout of the dossier and taking up of the disinformation report would never have happened in previous regimes.
Therefore, it will be better if you stop peddling this misinformed narrative.
 
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Pacy with wisdom said:
They will say no. The thinking and philosophy of the government is not how it was during Nawaz's regime and the PCB will reflect that.

We no longer have compromised traitors at the helm. The previous PM even had a policy communicated to the foreign office to never talk about India, so as to not displease them.

As i have mentioned above, the handout of the dossier and taking up of the disinformation report would never have happened in previous regimes.
Therefore, it will be better if you stop peddling this misinformed narrative.
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All this bravado by our anti-IK brigade seems to disappear whenever Pakistan meets India in any game where seats are sold out and mostly taken by our Indian friends.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
They will say no. The thinking and philosophy of the government is not how it was during Nawaz's regime and the PCB will reflect that.

We no longer have compromised traitors at the helm. The previous PM even had a policy communicated to the foreign office to never talk about India, so as to not displease them.

As i have mentioned above, the handout of the dossier and taking up of the disinformation report would never have happened in previous regimes.
Therefore, it will be better if you stop peddling this misinformed narrative.
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Yes they will say no to bilateral cricket with BCCI, and pigs will fly and sun will rise from the west.

Deep down, every single person on this forum knows that no matter how tough PCB acts and shoots at BCCI with a water gun by not mentioning India in their FTP,

if BCCI initiates the process of resuming bilateral cricket with PCB, the latter will not say no in a million years.
 
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MenInG said:
All this bravado by our anti-IK brigade seems to disappear whenever Pakistan meets India in any game where seats are sold out and mostly taken by our Indian friends.
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What does that got to do with bilateral cricket? Yes Indians still enjoy watching their team smash Pakistan 9 out of 10 times, but that has nothing to do with the Indian government blocking BCCI from playing bilateral cricket with PCB.
 
Mamoon said:
This is like blocking someone on WhatsApp after he/she has blocked you already.

A useless show of bravado.
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How is this a useless show of bravado? They are doing this so they can play series against other teams during that window, which wasn't the case before.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I am interested to know what you would do if you were running PCB?

And before you answer; disbanding the board and selling off all the assets to BCCI is not an option.
 
MenInG said:
All this bravado by our anti-IK brigade seems to disappear whenever Pakistan meets India in any game where seats are sold out and mostly taken by our Indian friends.
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If India is playing in a foreign land where indian fans get to watch India once in a few years and mostly in a ICC tournament,why will the seats be sold out?

Btw how many India matches in ICC tournament are not sold out?
 
cricketjoshila said:
If India is playing in a foreign land where indian fans get to watch India once in a few years and mostly in a ICC tournament,why will the seats be sold out?

Btw how many India matches in ICC tournament are not sold out?
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The 2019 India Pakistan World Cup game was watched by 273 million people. Out of these 273 million people, 233 million were Indian audiences.

And FYI. Here are some of the viewership figures for past games; The estimated viewership for the 2017 Champions Trophy final was around 400 million. The group game in the same tournament was watched by 324 million people, slightly more than the 313 million that watched the group game in the 2015 World Cup. The 2011 World Cup semi-final remains the second-most watched cricket game in history, with 495 million viewers.

Let's not pretend like India-Pakistan is not the biggest draw of every ICC tournament. Regardless of how one-sided the contests end up being.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
The 2019 India Pakistan World Cup game was watched by 273 million people. Out of these 273 million people, 233 million were Indian audiences.

And FYI. Here are some of the viewership figures for past games; The estimated viewership for the 2017 Champions Trophy final was around 400 million. The group game in the same tournament was watched by 324 million people, slightly more than the 313 million that watched the group game in the 2015 World Cup. The 2011 World Cup semi-final remains the second-most watched cricket game in history, with 495 million viewers.

Let's not pretend like India-Pakistan is not the biggest draw of every ICC tournament. Regardless of how one-sided the contests end up being.
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200mn watched the IPL opener this year. Thats a franchisee T20 game. In India getting 200mn people to watch a big match is not surprising
 
cricketjoshila said:
If India is playing in a foreign land where indian fans get to watch India once in a few years and mostly in a ICC tournament,why will the seats be sold out?

Btw how many India matches in ICC tournament are not sold out?
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I think you are being disingenuous here.

Work colleagues flew from where I live to UK to watch this game and come back

Work colleagues flew from where I live to UAE to watch Pak v India clash in 2018 Asia Cup.

If you are telling me that they would have done this if India were playing Afghanistan then am afraid we have nothing more to discuss.
 
Mamoon said:
This is like blocking someone on WhatsApp after he/she has blocked you already.

A useless show of bravado.
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Actually it’s better - at least now PCB won’t require to do quarterly drama.

I am sure at the background PCB will try to negotiate with BCCI for bilateral tours, but this (FTP) frees them to arrange as many games/tours possible with other options. Good for broadcasting deals as well.
 
MenInG said:
I think you are being disingenuous here.

Work colleagues flew from where I live to UK to watch this game and come back

Work colleagues flew from where I live to UAE to watch Pak v India clash in 2018 Asia Cup.

If you are telling me that they would have done this if India were playing Afghanistan then am afraid we have nothing more to discuss.
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Now now, why compare it with a Afghanistan match?

But things will be similar if India played Aus SA Eng NZ too.

India matches with a major team are big draws.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Now now, why compare it with a Afghanistan match?

But things will be similar if India played Aus SA Eng NZ too.

India matches with a major team are big draws.
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Once again - you seem to be in denial (possibly for political reasons) that a Pakistan India game ignites something which other match-ups dont
 
MenInG said:
Once again - you seem to be in denial (possibly for political reasons) that a Pakistan India game ignites something which other match-ups dont
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It does ignite passion, for political reasons. A India Australia or India England match too ignites passion because we want the team to beat the best in the world.

India Pakistan matches dont hold the same importance as it did two decades back. In last two decades Indian cricket has moved to newer destinations, so has the fans.
 
Rajdeep said:
Its not such a great step tbh to ignore someone who is already ignoring you. As someone mentioned above, its like blocking your ex in watsapp who has already blocked you long back. I am sure if tomorrow BCCI asks PCB for a bilateral tour, Wasim Khan would oblige.
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For BCCI to ask PCB for a tour, BCCI will first need to ask BJP which in turn will ask RSS.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It does ignite passion, for political reasons. A India Australia or India England match too ignites passion because we want the team to beat the best in the world.

India Pakistan matches dont hold the same importance as it did two decades back. In last two decades Indian cricket has moved to newer destinations, so has the fans.
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By destination if you mean in terms of victories, then you are wrong!

ICC Tournies aside, Pakistan beat India in the last Bi Lateral ODI series and refused to play Pakistan between 2010 and 2018 when they were undefeated ib test matches in the UAE.

In fact in the two ICC tournaments that mattered between 2010 and 2018, Pakistan lost a semi final and won a final against India.

If by destination you mean IPL and money, you can keep it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
200mn watched the IPL opener this year. Thats a franchisee T20 game. In India getting 200mn people to watch a big match is not surprising
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I guess I forgot to mention that the 2019 World Cup match was also the most watched game of the entire World Cup.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It does ignite passion, for political reasons. A India Australia or India England match too ignites passion because we want the team to beat the best in the world.

India Pakistan matches dont hold the same importance as it did two decades back. In last two decades Indian cricket has moved to newer destinations, so has the fans.
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Keep telling yourself that, even as your countrymen anxiously await the next India-Pakistan match.

Indians are obsessed with Pakistan. The fact that you're going out of your way to prove otherwise only reinforces the notion
 
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It's a good move by the PCB...

You have to be really stupid or extremely hateful of Pakistan Cricket and/or it's government to think otherwise.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
I guess I forgot to mention that the 2019 World Cup match was also the most watched game of the entire World Cup.
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The ICC groups India together with Pakistan in every tournament simply because it has the highest viewership and brings in the most money.

It's really as simple as that.

Now they will argue that playing England and Aussies is better cricket,
But that will get boring very fast. So then some of them have the gall to say that the IPL is of international standard, may be even better....

It's all borne out of insecurity
 
Yet the shameful ICC fixes draws so that India and Pakistan are in the same group for ICC tournaments.
 
We may never get to see another Indo-Pak bilateral series, so sad to see. Enjoyed those contests in the 2000s. Surprising that in a sport played seriously by 7-8 countries, 2 of them won't play each other ever again. Cricket is the loser.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Now now, why compare it with a Afghanistan match?

But things will be similar if India played Aus SA Eng NZ too.

India matches with a major team are big draws.
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Not the biggest draw though. The viewership figures for the 2019 India-Pak World Cup game show that a) it is the biggest draw since it was the most watched World Cup match, and b) it was the most watched game by Indian audiences (233 out of 273 million viewers were Indians). This is interesting because India actually got to the semi-final and yet somehow that game did not have as many viewers as the India-Pakistan game.

The semi-final had 221 million viewers, which means more Indians saw the India-Pak game than the semi-final. So clearly things are not similar "if India play Aus SA Eng NZ" despite what you claim.
 
MenInG said:
All this bravado by our anti-IK brigade seems to disappear whenever Pakistan meets India in any game where seats are sold out and mostly taken by our Indian friends.
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And then those Indian friends sell those tickets to other Indians for 3x the price
 
IMMY69 said:
The ICC groups India together with Pakistan in every tournament simply because it has the highest viewership and brings in the most money.

It's really as simple as that.

Now they will argue that playing England and Aussies is better cricket,
But that will get boring very fast. So then some of them have the gall to say that the IPL is of international standard, may be even better....

It's all borne out of insecurity
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The funniest thing is that the viewership numbers for the India-Pakistan game and the India-New Zealand semi-final differ by over 50 million. Eventhough the New Zealand game was semi-final and meant a whole lot more to India than the game against Pakistan, which was essentially another group game; the number of Indians who saw the India-Pakistan game outnumber the total number of people who saw the Semi-Final all over the world by 12 million! And yet somehow he thinks that India playing NZ in the World Cup is similar to India playing Pakistan lol.
 
We haven't played bilateral series in the periods: 1960-78 (2 full-fledged wars between the countries), 1990-98, 2007-present (apart from the short 2012-13 series). I reckon the present drought will surpass the 1960-78 one. A whole generation of cricket fans unfamiliar with the thrill of Indo-Pak rivalry.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes they will say no to bilateral cricket with BCCI, and pigs will fly and sun will rise from the west.

Deep down, every single person on this forum knows that no matter how tough PCB acts and shoots at BCCI with a water gun by not mentioning India in their FTP,

if BCCI initiates the process of resuming bilateral cricket with PCB, the latter will not say no in a million years.
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Please dont count me or most of the others in your misguided assessment.

As i have mentioned before, given the geopolitical scenario, the relations between the two countries are progressively going to get worse over the period of time, so this whole hypothesis that you are painting where if the BCCI initiates a resumption is a moot point.
And btw, since you love seeing hogs fly, I would say painting such a hypothetical scenario fits that fantasy of yours.
There is literally nothing much to your arguments except for all of this empty assumptive noise that you create to enforce your propaganda.
 
PCB may as well do it because it'll be a long time before an Indian government will give BCCI permission to play Pakistan in bilaterals, not even if Modi is voted out of power.
 
On another note, in my experience Indian cricket fans have a clear and passionate interest in any game with Pakistan. A WC game is the most awaited.

To the point that some people aver that any WC match win against Pakistan effectively meets their expectations of the Indian team. Some of us would rather win against Pakistan and lose the WC, than lose to Pakistan and win it all. So that's visceral.

However in my opinion that does not mean that the same Indians actually want resumption of bilaterals with Pakistan. As far as I can see, this government, any government, has mass support from the public on the current stance (ie we should not play).
 
Smart move by PCB.

It is always good to plan for the controllables.

BCCI is an uncontrollable - so no point wasting energy on that. If it comes to the point where BCCI is open, then I am sure PCB will also consider it.

IK government's policy with India is different to previous governments - more in your face - so this fits with his stance.

On another note, having watched many of those over the last 3 decades, India-Pakistan matches just aren't as special to me. I prefer Pakistan in Australia, England or South Africa.
 
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On another note, in my experience Indian cricket fans have a clear and passionate interest in any game with Pakistan. A WC game is the most awaited.

To the point that some people aver that any WC match win against Pakistan effectively meets their expectations of the Indian team. Some of us would rather win against Pakistan and lose the WC, than lose to Pakistan and win it all. So that's visceral.

However in my opinion that does not mean that the same Indians actually want resumption of bilaterals with Pakistan. As far as I can see, this government, any government, has mass support from the public on the current stance (ie we should not play).
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I concur. Goes with the general direction of Indian public's sentiments toward many issues.
 
Good decision. They should stand by it, ask for more 3 tests and 5 ODIs. This big 3 has made a **** which is like watching India, Australia and England playing every month. Has shifted the enthusiasm of watching matches when they play too often and useless 4, 5 match series scoring 350+ 400+ ODIs
 
Mamoon said:
If BCCI wants to “hang out”, PCB will immediately pick up the phone. That is why this thundering by PCB is useless.

If BCCI wants to resume bilateral cricket with Pakistan, PCB will oblige. Self-respect would be PCB saying no when BCCI says yes.
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So you’re criticising this report because of something that may happen but refusing to acknowledge the ridiculous pandering by the regime before? Clearly just highlighting your agenda then.

As for PCB playing India, they won’t do it because they have to, they’ll do it because it’s in their interest. They stand to gain from it financially and that makes sense.
 
I think it's more about also building back the Pakistan cricket brand. We need to get in that position that Indian fans can't resist a matchup between a resurgent PCT and India. Then see BCCI bowing down. Smart move by Wasim Khan
 
cricketjoshila said:
Well Bcci has shown no interest in playing a series, so it goes without saying that pcb was not going to get a India tour. So whats their to exclude, when it doesn't exist.

If Bcci agrees to a tour, there will be space for it automatically.
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Bcci has shown no interest or has it been the government?
 
Cosmetic move at best. The BCCI was not going to agree to a Pakistani series at the moment
 
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