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Rishabh Pant : Performance Watch

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I am basing my opinion on wicketkeeping. At the moment I will prefer Saha. I know he is an average batsman but he is currently 'andho mein kaana raja' as far as keeping is concerned. :inti
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I'm ok with Vihari out, Pant retained, Saha as a pure keeper just for the final test.

Though my team next game would be:
Pant retained as keeper (if he's fine to play).
Vihari out. Mayank/Shaw in his place. If Rahul/Rohit can be moved from their original roles, why not Mayank. And if the Indian thinktank sees Mayank purely as an opener, why not give Shaw a run in the middle order. I mean, currently, there is almost zero chance he'll make it into the team as an opener ahead of Rohit, Gill, Mayank, Rahul.
Saini out. Anyone else available in his place.

The only good thing I see out of Saha having played this long is - it's shown everyone how great Dhoni the keeper was. When MS was around I've heard plenty of people including Shastri claim Saha was the best keeper in the country :rabada2
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Saha is a good keeper but i shudder to think what would have happened if he was playing at no. 6 instead of pant.
We could have been all out for 160
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Saha averages around 30. He could have scored 20-25 runs on this patta too. I mean he is an average bat but has scored 5 50s and 3 100s.

Anyway Australia got a lead of 90 plus runs. I don't think they would have gone on to score 338 had Saha been wicketkeeping in this match. :inti
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Pant batted well and he was the difference between 160 and 240.

Obviously his keeping is not upto the mark against spinners but still i"ll take him ahead of a 36 years old guy who avgs 13 in SENA.
In home conditions i do agree that he will make a mess.

I was hoping that he will improve his keeping but the reverse happened, bcoz of fitness. In SENA i will still take him ahead of Saha.
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No, we should give him the chance to play in India! That's how he can gain confidence both in batting and wicket-keeping!
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Saha averages around 30. He could have scored 20-25 runs on this patta too. I mean he is an average bat but has scored 5 50s and 3 100s.

Anyway Australia got a lead of 90 plus runs. I don't think they would have gone on to score 338 had Saha been wicketkeeping in this match. :inti
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He averages 13 in SENA
 
Rishabh Pant's false shot percentage in this series so far is 9.5%, the lowest of any batsman.

:inti
 
leg-side-flick said:
Saha is history, no point investing there...


But Pant can't be future, if he keeps like that, he has zero chance of playing in India if he keeps like this against England..

Also he can't play as a specialist batsman for India
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Then who'd be the keeper?
 
Suleiman said:
That’s not how it works. If you’re at the international level you should be the complete product given maybe 1-2 minor areas to work on. Dropping dollies every game is a HUGE deficiency.

If what you’re saying is true then Kamran Akmal should’ve become the GOAT batsman and keeper but he only ended up as an ATG Pakistani batsman and a poor keeper.
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Technical issues can be worked upon.Kamran had different issues
 
Saurav said:
Then who'd be the keeper?
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Lol if you are not going to give others opportunities and keep sticking with one player, how will other players make a name for themselves? Time to try someone like KS Bharat in test team. KL Rahul has already grabbed Pant's spot in LOI's because team management took that risk. Time to give someone else a chance and in the meantime Pant can work on his technical deficiencies. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol if you are not going to give others opportunities and keep sticking with one player, how will other players make a name for themselves? Time to try someone like KS Bharat in test team. KL Rahul has already grabbed Pant's spot in LOI's because team management took that risk. Time to give someone else a chance and in the meantime Pant can work on his technical deficiencies. :inti
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keep sticking with one player?? Saha played whole home season and was dropped only after he failed here.Pant has played 4 games at most on the trot.

Rahul is great for LOIs but hasnt kept in 4 day cricket even at domestic level.Plus he's injured all the time

Bharat is an unknown quantity.No one has seen him.His FC batting average is worse than Saha though

Besides,time for pure keepers is long gone
 
Records created by Rishabh Pant today:

-Fastest visiting Wicketkeeper to reach 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-First Asian wicketkeeper to score 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-Youngest wicketkeeper to score a 90 in 4th innings of a Test match in Australia.

Guy is only 23.

:shhh
 
King_Kohli said:
Records created by Rishabh Pant today:

-Fastest visiting Wicketkeeper to reach 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-First Asian wicketkeeper to score 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-Youngest wicketkeeper to score a 90 in 4th innings of a Test match in Australia.

Guy is only 23.

:shhh
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We defn need Pant the batsman
 
I will say it again. He is the best WK batsman to emerge out of Asia since Dhoni in 2004-2005.

He will be one of the players of the 2020 decade.
 
He definitely silenced doubters like me. I wish he had gotten a 100 and continued on.
 
Pant missed golden opportunity, if he had scored century he would have become first wicket keeper to score two Test centuries in fourth innings.

We Pant fans demanding a sticker.
:leo
 
Most runs in Australia by Indian WK

487 Pant (10 innings)
471 Kirmani (17 innings)
311 Dhoni (18 innings)
 
People may keep trolling him for his failures, and there will be many even in the future, but Saha even at his very best can never be the gamechanger with the bat that Pant is. If it was Saha that came out instead of Pant, he would've been sent out with the intention to shut shop, unlike with Pant who was most likely given the license to go after the bowling.

Besides, there really is no point investing in an aging Saha whose returns with the bat are mediocre.
 
Dropping him for the home Test series vs SA in 2019 was the dumbest decision India have made in a very long time.

A full home series would have allowed him the exposure and the experience to shore up his keeping against spinners. He would be a better keeper today had he played in that series.

Hopefully Saha will never play a Test over him again in any conditions.
 
King_Kohli said:
Records created by Rishabh Pant today:

-Fastest visiting Wicketkeeper to reach 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-First Asian wicketkeeper to score 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-Youngest wicketkeeper to score a 90 in 4th innings of a Test match in Australia.

Guy is only 23.

:shhh
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I really like these relevant stat based info that you post. Keep up the good work bro.
 
King_Kohli said:
Records created by Rishabh Pant today:

-Fastest visiting Wicketkeeper to reach 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-First Asian wicketkeeper to score 500 runs in Australia in Tests.
-Youngest wicketkeeper to score a 90 in 4th innings of a Test match in Australia.

Guy is only 23.

:shhh
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Pant2.jpg
 
By God!!!

Pant almost snatched this from the jaws of defeat. What a belligerent knock!

This guy is dangerous.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
One of his best inning in my opinion. Well played. :inti
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Credit where it's due.

He's no keeper and he's not a reliable batter either till now, but there is no doubt when he gets going, there is no bowler or lime up he cannot obliterate.

Special hitter
 
 
Rizwan played a similar innings of no consequence just recently. You can't score freely when the pressure is off and get out when victory is a possibility and the pressure is back on.

A beautiful innings, well crafted and he may get on to good things - but really, see your team home. Otherwise many a hero is created in 4th innings chases who can't be there at the end.

Real heroes see their teams home. On this evidence, I don't see what we learnt about Rishabh.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Rizwan played a similar innings of no consequence just recently. You can't score freely when the pressure is off and get out when victory is a possibility and the pressure is back on.

A beautiful innings, well crafted and he may get on to good things - but really, see your team home. Otherwise many a hero is created in 4th innings chases who can't be there at the end.

Real heroes see their teams home. On this evidence, I don't see what we learnt about Rishabh.
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Its not always the destination that matters. Sometimes the journey carries greater significance than the goal itself.
 
Dhoni's highest score in SENA is 92 across formats

Pant at 23 already has 159*,114 and 97.Two of those in 4th innings

This is the kind of potential we have on hand.It doesn't come everyday

Yes hes poor keeper vs spin but if we don't even give him proper chance to improve,we'll lose a matchwinners

I say it again,days of pure keepers are gone
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Rizwan played a similar innings of no consequence just recently. You can't score freely when the pressure is off and get out when victory is a possibility and the pressure is back on.

A beautiful innings, well crafted and he may get on to good things - but really, see your team home. Otherwise many a hero is created in 4th innings chases who can't be there at the end.

Real heroes see their teams home. On this evidence, I don't see what we learnt about Rishabh.
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At what point the pressure was 'off'?
 
Jadeja is out of first 2 tests against England too. Will be missing at least 4-6 weeks of cricket, if not more.
 
Any WK under 25 with centuries in AUS and ENG on his first tours is an ATG potential.

But to me, the only fear is he has the Yuvraj Singh syndrome: wanting to take the game to the opposition in every innings and not letting the game respond to him.

He reminds me of a young Kobe.
 
MP2011 said:
Yeah. But good time to blood a new spinner or would they be Ashwin, Kuldeep and Nadeem?
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The XI would mostly have Ash and Kuldeep.Kuldeep might even play at the Gabba

I'd have Shreyas Gopal in reserves.Leggie who can bat can be good investment
 
ManFan said:
Any WK under 25 with centuries in AUS and ENG on his first tours is an ATG potential.

But to me, the only fear is he has the Yuvraj Singh syndrome: wanting to take the game to the opposition in every innings and not letting the game respond to him.

He reminds me of a young Kobe.
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Interesting point.Hopefully he can develop his game as he plays more
 
Saurav said:
The XI would mostly have Ash and Kuldeep.Kuldeep might even play at the Gabba

I'd have Shreyas Gopal in reserves.Leggie who can bat can be good investment
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Shreyas will be a good choice. However I'm not sure whether he is even on radar of selectors.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
When loss probability is way higher than victory.
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Loss probability would be high and pressure would've been off if he played that innings when we were 7 down with only tailenders to come. We were 3 wickets down with Pujara at the other end and we could've well shut shop like most teams would in that situation and tried to play out the day but Pant brought the chance of a win within the realm of possibility.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Loss probability would be high and pressure would've been off if he played that innings when we were 7 down with only tailenders to come. We were 3 wickets down with Pujara at the other end and we could've well shut shop like most teams would in that situation and tried to play out the day but Pant brought the chance of a win within the realm of possibility.
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in most of indias 4th innings collapses, spin even part time, has played a big role. Lyons ball to take out rahane was very good. He was just getting into his stride. When agsinst England, he was good in last innings. Pant conoletely neutralized and demoralized Lyon right from the beginning.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Loss probability would be high and pressure would've been off if he played that innings when we were 7 down with only tailenders to come. We were 3 wickets down with Pujara at the other end and we could've well shut shop like most teams would in that situation and tried to play out the day but Pant brought the chance of a win within the realm of possibility.
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...and then got out.

I won't belabor the point. If someone doesn't take this team over the line in the 4th innings after being well set and with opposition on back foot - be it Rizwan, Pant, Sachin, Asad Shafiq, Zaheer or anyone, I do not find value in that innings. A personal bias maybe. Let's leave it at that.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
...and then got out.

I won't belabor the point. If someone doesn't take this team over the line in the 4th innings after being well set and with opposition on back foot - be it Rizwan, Pant, Sachin, Asad Shafiq, Zaheer or anyone, I do not find value in that innings. A personal bias maybe. Let's leave it at that.
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Dravid doesnt have a single 100 in successful 4th innings chases. Sehwag doesnt. Sachin, Laxman only have 1 each. I am talking decades of career for those legends. In fact, india only have 4 100s in succesful 4th innings chases in their entire history. Scoring 97 in 4th innings in SENA is something most non SENA legends have never done

His innings definitely saved us, he was in a partnership of 148 and used up 118 balls. I dont see by what standards thats not a great innings
 
He's a special talent who should be given a very long rope in all of the three formats.

Not many players in the world who could've played an innings like this against that bowling attack on a 5th day pitch.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Saha averages around 30. He could have scored 20-25 runs on this patta too. I mean he is an average bat but has scored 5 50s and 3 100s.

Anyway Australia got a lead of 90 plus runs. I don't think they would have gone on to score 338 had Saha been wicketkeeping in this match. :inti
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If Saha had not dropped those catches in Adelaide , india could have had a bigger lead like 100 plus runs. So anyone can come with excuses like that but test cricket does not work that way. Anything can happen no if’s and buts.
 
Indiafan said:
Dravid doesnt have a single 100 in successful 4th innings chases. Sehwag doesnt. Sachin, Laxman only have 1 each. I am talking decades of career for those legends. In fact, india only have 4 100s in succesful 4th innings chases in their entire history. Scoring 97 in 4th innings in SENA is something most non SENA legends have never done

His innings definitely saved us, he was in a partnership of 148 and used up 118 balls. I dont see by what standards thats not a great innings
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Dravids innings while following on and saving the test is legendary. it’s nothing short of a fourth innings batting
 
globalcitizen said:
Dravids innings while following on and saving the test is legendary. it’s nothing short of a fourth innings batting
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You can say that. Meanwhile Pant scored 97 to save a almost lost match and contributed to the longest we played for draw since 1979
 
Fastest Indian wicket keeper to 1000 test runs.

Well done Panty! :14:

Screw all that noise, all that negativity. Just keep playing your natural game as a batter.
 
Crazy player.

Prime Kohli and 2019's Ben Stokes like aura when he's come out to bat the last two Tests vs Australia.
 
His batting talent is insane. He can easily make the Indian test side as a specialist middle order batsman.
 
He has some aura, this bloke.

Dangerous and match winning.

And by god he has batting class! Not just some ugly slogger. He plays classic drives wwith some swagger and class.
 
These are the innings which matter. While pakistan will glorify Rizwans meaningless runs
 
Rishab Pant should be the WK for all three formats for next 2 years! No Second Thought about it!
 
street cricketer said:
I saw him in the U19 world cup and he looked a very good player in that tournament. Was timing the ball beautifully and bludgeoning the ball to all parts of the ground. Played two blistering knocks twice, hitting a century once and scored the fastest ever fifty in the U19 world cup in an another knock, both admittedly coming against weak oppositions.

Looks equally comfortable on both sides of the wicket and straight down the ground, times the ball beautifully and hits the ball a fair distance for his age. He looked a bit vulnerable against genuine fast bowling in the world cup but than can be improved. Otherwise he looks in complete ease against every other bowling. Think he'll be the mainstay of the Indian team in the near future playing as an opener.

Watch out for this youngsta beauty:akhtar
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Always had an eye out for the young un right from the start:djb
 
He is already India's greatest ever wicket keeper batsman in test cricket and he's barely into 2-3 years of cricket.
 
Indian WKs with most 50+ Scores in AUS

Rishabh Pant - 3*
Syed Kirmani - 2
MS Dhoni - 1
Parthiv Patel - 1
F Engineer - 1
Kiran More - 1
 
Pant is now the highest ranked Indian Test wicketkeeper batsman in the history with 13th Ranking currently. The next best was of Farokh Engineer with the 17th Ranking followed by MS Dhoni with 19th.
 
Of Indian batsmen doing what Pant had done – making 89 or more in the fourth innings while winning or saving a Test – the only ones with multiple instances were Sunil Gavaskar four times, Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly twice. Pant has done it twice in a week.

This kid is special.
 
spiderreddy said:
I thought he was just an average player who has been hyped to the moon :inti
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Hes a match winner and can win games on his own but he needs to improve his keeping and once he does that he will be a complete wicket keeper bateman
 
Asif321 said:
These are the innings which matter. While pakistan will glorify Rizwans meaningless runs
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You cant compare the two rizwan is way ahead in terms of keeping and scores runs.

Pant is a genuine match winner with the bat but his keeping isnt at the same level as rizwan
 
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