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Russia invades Ukraine

Again, not a single debating point but more emotional whining. :wg

Russia never intended to take Kiev. I think you're getting confused with Chicken Kieves from Iceland, Russians in UK do buy them.

Take a deep hard look in the mirror, you are supporting the most muderous entity in history in Nato. Yet you want to call out the Russians lol.


Ok after deep reflecting you are right. Russia was 100% right in invading Ukraine.

All the war crimes are being committed by Ukraine, it’s full of Nazis and Zelensky is a evil war criminal. Yes NATO is in Ukraine secretly so Russia had every right to go in and wipe that organisation.

Yes of course Kyiv was never in Russias agenda. They just went to the towns around it to protect the civilians from NATO aggression and then peacefully left.
All the buildings destroyed around it was caused by NATO missiles and Azov artillery.

Also Khan please don’t call this a war , it’s a special millitary operation.
 
Ukraine forces say that as they have retaken towns near Kyiv previously occupied by Russian forces, they're discovering more and more atrocities.

Last week's discovery of bodies strewn in the streets in Bucha prompted global outcry and accusations of genocide.

Overnight, Ukraine President Zelensky said that in the town of Borodyanka, the situation was "significantly more dreadful" than in Bucha.

He didn't provide further details but hundreds of people are feared killed in the strikes. As we reported earlier, 26 bodies have been pulled from the rubble so far.
 
Very interesting strategy by Russia on the currency front, Hungary has already given in.

With India, China dealing separately with Russia they might get the required cushion that West fears.
 
Very interesting strategy by Russia on the currency front, Hungary has already given in.

With India, China dealing separately with Russia they might get the required cushion that West fears.
Even a blind man can see the Russians were prepared for the sanctions and they have dealt with them. In fact the sanctions are spectacularly backfiring and will continue to do so. Whilst the public and political leaders want to apply even more the business leaders are saying stop being so reckless.

Sanctions just don’t work, they don’t. Russians were not all behind Putin on this, now they are 100% behind him.
 
Ok after deep reflecting you are right. Russia was 100% right in invading Ukraine.

All the war crimes are being committed by Ukraine, it’s full of Nazis and Zelensky is a evil war criminal. Yes NATO is in Ukraine secretly so Russia had every right to go in and wipe that organisation.

Yes of course Kyiv was never in Russias agenda. They just went to the towns around it to protect the civilians from NATO aggression and then peacefully left.
All the buildings destroyed around it was caused by NATO missiles and Azov artillery.

Also Khan please don’t call this a war , it’s a special millitary operation.

You’re not that mature or smart are you?

Can you tell us how many troops were required by the German army to take Kiev in WW2? Can you then tell us why and how you think the Russians could have taken it with the forces they committed to the north?

The problem with people like you is that you seem to think you know the Russian plan, you don’t, no one except the Russians do.

Ukraine had a chance to come out of this losing just Donbas and Crimea. They are about to lose a lot more.

Bucha was staged as an act of desperation, even the pentagon denied the claims from Ukraine were correct.
 
I’m seeing more and more videos on social media that show NATO were deeply involved in Ukraine. They were building, arming and training Ukrainians.

Another video shows that a captured POW saying that the Ukrainian forces trained by nato had amassed in the Donbas region to attack LPR and DPR forces in early March. I believe this because such an army amassing in one region can only mean one thing. The Russian intelligence was spot on they made their move before NATO (Ukraine) made theirs.
 
The UN suspended Russia from the Human Rights Council. Heres how countries voted.

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I’m seeing more and more videos on social media that show NATO were deeply involved in Ukraine. They were building, arming and training Ukrainians.

Another video shows that a captured POW saying that the Ukrainian forces trained by nato had amassed in the Donbas region to attack LPR and DPR forces in early March. I believe this because such an army amassing in one region can only mean one thing. The Russian intelligence was spot on they made their move before NATO (Ukraine) made theirs.

True bro, Russia was only defending itself against evil NATO so they had to go in.

It’s a fantastic millitary operation so far. Many NATO soldiers have been killed and Russian casualties are near to zero.

Russia is cleaning up Ukraine and making the region and the world a better more peaceful place.
Ukraine was never a legitimate country in the first place. They owe Putin and Russia everything.

Yes agree Russia also has amazing intelligence - Ukrainians are throwing petals and roses on Russian soldiers just like they told Putin before the war but why is the western media like BBC not showing this ?? They are evil.
 
Russia have launched a rocket attack on a civilian train station in Donestk, killed 30 with over 100 injured. Images all over the press of dead bodies with their suitcases next to them.

These are civilians trying to flee a war. bet they are really grateful to be 'liberated' by the Russians.
 
I’m seeing more and more videos on social media that show NATO were deeply involved in Ukraine. They were building, arming and training Ukrainians.

Another video shows that a captured POW saying that the Ukrainian forces trained by nato had amassed in the Donbas region to attack LPR and DPR forces in early March. I believe this because such an army amassing in one region can only mean one thing. The Russian intelligence was spot on they made their move before NATO (Ukraine) made theirs.

is that you mr Peskov?...

Or a far more likely secnaro... Ukraine ammased troops in the Donbass area in response to Russia putting 175,000 troops on that border.
 
is that you mr Peskov?...

Or a far more likely secnaro... Ukraine ammased troops in the Donbass area in response to Russia putting 175,000 troops on that border.

It's well known that 60-100k Ukranian troops had amassed in the South East, that's who the LPR and DPR have been fighting. You can believe what you like though.
 
Russia have launched a rocket attack on a civilian train station in Donestk, killed 30 with over 100 injured. Images all over the press of dead bodies with their suitcases next to them.

These are civilians trying to flee a war. bet they are really grateful to be 'liberated' by the Russians.

Civilians have captured images and it's a Tochki-U missile according to military guys on social media. If it is, then that means it's Ukranian forces that launched the attack. They launched this same missile in Donbas earlier in the conflict in Doneskt if I recall but none of the MSM covered it because it didn't suit the narrative.
 
True bro, Russia was only defending itself against evil NATO so they had to go in.

It’s a fantastic millitary operation so far. Many NATO soldiers have been killed and Russian casualties are near to zero.

Russia is cleaning up Ukraine and making the region and the world a better more peaceful place.
Ukraine was never a legitimate country in the first place. They owe Putin and Russia everything.

Yes agree Russia also has amazing intelligence - Ukrainians are throwing petals and roses on Russian soldiers just like they told Putin before the war but why is the western media like BBC not showing this ?? They are evil.

As I said earlier, you don't strike me as a mature person. Rather than discuss the topic at hand with facts and proven evidence you turn to dramatic/sweeping statements.

The Russians have a total army of around 500k. With reservists that goes up to 900k. They cannot possibly commit all those forces to Ukraine and they would have needed them if they wanted to take Kiev. Simple military maths that all the experts have told us.

The Russians commited 190-200k soldiers for this invasion. The Ukranians have an army of 260k in Ukraine and approximately 600k if you include the mercenaries, national police and reservists. So the Russians were outnumbered 3 to 1. When you consider this and that their aim was just Crimea and Donbas, well they've taken all of the southern corridor so they have already achieved more than they set out to take.

The next phase is to eliminate the remaining Ukranian army in the Donbas which is according to the Americans, Russians and French is in the Kramatorsk/Slavayansk region.

Once they have done this, no one knows what next for Russia but by taking out this force and all the fuel/logistics/supply lines there situation for Ukraine across most of this South Eastern region is bleak. They could try to take Dnipro or move to Mikolaiv. Once the 40k soldiers tied up cleaning Mariupol are free then things will move more quickly again until they reach cities.

The problem with you and many others is, you can't sit down and think about the bigger picture.
 
Going through a city door to door is very time consuming and risky. That's why many former American leaders are suprised with the Russians not flattening everything. It has taken over 40k Russians to clean a city like Mariupol with a population of 400k. They are still going, it will be done but because the Ukranians are using human shields and the Russians have been ordered to avoid civilian casualties it's taking quite a bit of time.
 
they both use the Tochki-u missile Russia has used it in the conflict already.

The locals are cpaturing the information. We'll find out soon enough.

If the Russians wanted to stop the evacuations they could have taken out the railyway station umpteen times over by now - they have taken out at least 2 others that were being used for fuel/ammo transportations. So anyone saying this is a Russian attack is ignorant.
 
As I said earlier, you don't strike me as a mature person. Rather than discuss the topic at hand with facts and proven evidence you turn to dramatic/sweeping statements.

The Russians have a total army of around 500k. With reservists that goes up to 900k. They cannot possibly commit all those forces to Ukraine and they would have needed them if they wanted to take Kiev. Simple military maths that all the experts have told us.

The Russians commited 190-200k soldiers for this invasion. The Ukranians have an army of 260k in Ukraine and approximately 600k if you include the mercenaries, national police and reservists. So the Russians were outnumbered 3 to 1. When you consider this and that their aim was just Crimea and Donbas, well they've taken all of the southern corridor so they have already achieved more than they set out to take.

The next phase is to eliminate the remaining Ukranian army in the Donbas which is according to the Americans, Russians and French is in the Kramatorsk/Slavayansk region.

Once they have done this, no one knows what next for Russia but by taking out this force and all the fuel/logistics/supply lines there situation for Ukraine across most of this South Eastern region is bleak. They could try to take Dnipro or move to Mikolaiv. Once the 40k soldiers tied up cleaning Mariupol are free then things will move more quickly again until they reach cities.

The problem with you and many others is, you can't sit down and think about the bigger picture.

Bro why this massive essay response when I just agreed with all your points about Russia being victorious ? :rp

KingKhan nodded and logged off as soon as I agreed with his POV but you have been arguing with me even when I agree with you ? :asad1

Like you say Russia is “cleaning” Ukraine and the sooner they accept this reality the better it will be for them. And NATO need to get the hell out too.
 
Attack on railway station shows 'Russian evil has no limits' - Zelenskyy
All of those killed in the attack on the railway station in Kramatorsk were civilians, the Ukrainian president has confirmed.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there were no troops among those who died.

He said at least 30 people have been killed and more than 100 injured - but the governor of the Donetsk region previously said the actual death toll is believed to be in the dozens.

Sky News correspondent John Sparks has been told that four children are among the dead.

"Lacking the strength and courage to stand up to us on the battlefield, they are cynically destroying the civilian population," Mr Zelenskyy said in a statement.

"This is an evil that has no limits. And if it is not punished, it will never stop."

He added: "Russian forces hit the train station in Kramatorsk, (firing) on an ordinary train station, on ordinary people.

"There were no soldiers there."

SKY
 
Attack on railway station shows 'Russian evil has no limits' - Zelenskyy
All of those killed in the attack on the railway station in Kramatorsk were civilians, the Ukrainian president has confirmed.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there were no troops among those who died.

He said at least 30 people have been killed and more than 100 injured - but the governor of the Donetsk region previously said the actual death toll is believed to be in the dozens.

Sky News correspondent John Sparks has been told that four children are among the dead.

"Lacking the strength and courage to stand up to us on the battlefield, they are cynically destroying the civilian population," Mr Zelenskyy said in a statement.

"This is an evil that has no limits. And if it is not punished, it will never stop."

He added: "Russian forces hit the train station in Kramatorsk, (firing) on an ordinary train station, on ordinary people.

"There were no soldiers there."

SKY

I wonder how KingKhanWC and bones are going to twist this one. I am sure they will find a way to twist themselves into a pretzel so they can absolve Putin and his cronies by blaming either :

A) The Ukrainians millitary must have done it
B) Maybe it was the Azov battalion
C) if not then it must have been NATO
D) I don’t know and I don’t care
 
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Anyone who believes Ukraine is innocent in all of this is in fact a nazi-sympathiser.

Don't be harsh on Ukraine (and Ukrainians).

Their country is simply in a wrong geographic area.

Foreigners have changed the "peaceful" (pro Russian dictator and installed their own warmongering puppet.

Foreigners supplied armed mercenaries to provoke Russia.

Believe me, average Ukrainian was not asked or consulted for anything.

It is just a bunch of Zionist warmongers playing a game with Ukrainian lives.

They shouldn't have voluntarily given away their nukes to the lies of superpowers.
 
I wonder how KingKhanWC and bones are going to twist this one. I am sure they will find a way to twist themselves into a pretzel so they can absolve Putin and his cronies by blaming either :

A) The Ukrainians millitary must have done it
B) Maybe it was the Azov battalion
C) if not then it must have been NATO
D) I don’t know and I don’t care

Just a simple question for you:

Why are the EU and USA still injecting millions of $ in Russian economy every week?
 
I wonder how KingKhanWC and bones are going to twist this one.

You don’t need anyone to twist anything. They have the missile debris so it will be very easy to get the serial number and identify whose inventory it came from. According to the military guys online it’s should already have been done.

No speculation just facts to determine who is responsible.
 
You don’t need anyone to twist anything. They have the missile debris so it will be very easy to get the serial number and identify whose inventory it came from. According to the military guys online it’s should already have been done.

No speculation just facts to determine who is responsible.

So bones is leaning towards option A.

What about you KingKhanWC - A,B,C or D ?
 
Mass grave of 700 people found in cherniv.
Ukrainians soldiers must have a lot of spare time to do all this
 
A missile that exploded near a Ukrainian railway station, which officials claim killed at least 39 people, had the words 'for' and 'children' painted on it in Russian.

Up to 4,000 people - believed to be largely women and children - were at Kramatorsk station on Friday morning when the blast hit.

The grammar of the words emblazoned on the side of the mangled missile means the translation from Russian is 'for what has been done to the children'.

It is not clear when the words were daubed on the weapon, but the writing is smeared and damaged, indicating it was likely there before hitting the ground.

Ukraine war latest - Russia hit by 'major disruption' to intelligence network

The Russian Defence Ministry has denied targeting the station, but Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused Kremlin forces of "cynically destroying the civilian population".


Station packed with civilians fleeing war in the east

The city is a part of the Donetsk region controlled by the Ukrainian government, and the station was being used as an evacuation point.

Sky News correspondent John Sparks, reporting from the scene outside the station, said 39 people were killed in the missile strike, with estimates for the number of people injured ranging between 100 and 300 individuals.

He continued: "What we think has happened is that it has exploded in the air above this area because it has distributed explosives throughout this area in multiple locations, seemingly randomly.

"Everybody knows this was a train station... everybody knows that it has been used over the last couple of days to get tens of thousands of people in eastern Ukraine out of here, and they come here, they come to this station because getting the train is the safest way to get out of eastern Ukraine."

Reporting live for Sky News, Mr Sparks pointed to what he said looked like a "ballistic missile" lying on the ground behind him.

The writing on it is Russian and the words translate to 'for' and 'children'.

Grammatically, the way 'for' has been written means the translation from Russian is 'for what has been done to the children'.

Four children are among those who died in Friday morning's explosion, he added.

The Kremlin has been suggesting that Ukrainian forces have been killing children in the Donbas region, without any evidence.

Governor of the Donetsk region, Pavlo Kyrylenko, said: "The 'Rashists' ('Russian fascists') knew very well where they were aiming and what they wanted: they wanted to sow panic and fear, they wanted to take as many civilians as possible".

Experts have identified the remnants of the weapon as a Tochka-U ballistic missile, which are equipped to hold various types of warhead.

Sky News is unable to currently verify where the missile was launched from.

The Kremlin has denied Russian involvement in the attack on Kramatorsk railway station.

The Russian Defence Ministry claimed the missile was a type only used by Ukraine's military, state news agency RIA reported.

Speaking to reporters on a conference call, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said the Russian armed forces had no missions scheduled for Kramatorsk.


"What we are seeing is a criminal endeavour on a free and sovereign country, and Britain and Romania and other NATO allies won't let that happen," he added

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss warned Russia that targeting civilians is a war crime and said she was appalled by the reports from Kramatorsk.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...nd-children-painted-on-it-in-russian-12585167
 
So bones is leaning towards option A.

What about you KingKhanWC - A,B,C or D ?
This morning Zelensky said it was a Russian Iskander missile. When the debris was found he had to change his story…
 
Clare Daly's fantastic speech at the European Parliament - exposing the lies, hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of the EU. Europe is occupied by the US, militarily, politically, economically, NATO is an extension of the Military Industrial Complex. The purpose of weaponizing Ukraine is to destabilize, balkanize Russia, making easy access to China and to then destroy it, to regime change Iran and to control oil-rich former Soviet States - this fulfils the full spectrum dominance agenda of the US, giving it unlimited control over the planet, its peoples and finite resources.



https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1512479724479533062
 
Boris Johnson has announced the UK will be sending an additional £100m worth of "high-grade military equipment" to Ukraine

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who is in London for talks, called on countries who are further away from Ukraine to take more refugees

UK Home Secretary Priti Patel apologised for the time it has taken to get a system in place to allow Ukrainian refugees to apply to come to the UK

Slovakia has sent its S-300 surface-to-air missile defence system to Ukraine
 
Why did Imran Khan unnecessarily make a rod for his own back?. The world is unanimously with Ukraine, Pakistan is a little outpost on the global stage.

Why did he decide to insult the world powers when Russia could care less either way?. Silence would have been best. Ironically, Pakistan is now having its own reckoning.
 
Why did Imran Khan unnecessarily make a rod for his own back?. The world is unanimously with Ukraine, Pakistan is a little outpost on the global stage.

Why did he decide to insult the world powers when Russia could care less either way?. Silence would have been best. Ironically, Pakistan is now having its own reckoning.

That was a big own goal. But he probably thought once Russia had gone in it was going to be a cake walk for them like it was in 2014.

After a month he he realised it wasn’t and so finally had a call with Zelensky last week.
Even the former president of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is ridiculing Putin on twitter.
 
Why did Imran Khan unnecessarily make a rod for his own back?. The world is unanimously with Ukraine, Pakistan is a little outpost on the global stage.

Why did he decide to insult the world powers when Russia could care less either way?. Silence would have been best. Ironically, Pakistan is now having its own reckoning.

By world you mean America and Europe. The rest of the world is not on that side. Yesterday 93 countries voted to remove Russia from the un humanitarian council. 99 either voted against, abstained or were absent. Compare that to a month ago when 143 nations voted to condemn the attacks.

It seems like more and more countries are choosing their own interests. Orban and Vicic got elected in last Sunday. Le Pen’s support is growing in France. Imran khan’s support is growing in Pakistan.

So contrary to your statement it doesn’t seem like everyone is against Russia.
 
By world you mean America and Europe. The rest of the world is not on that side. Yesterday 93 countries voted to remove Russia from the un humanitarian council. 99 either voted against, abstained or were absent. Compare that to a month ago when 143 nations voted to condemn the attacks.

It seems like more and more countries are choosing their own interests. Orban and Vicic got elected in last Sunday. Le Pen’s support is growing in France. Imran khan’s support is growing in Pakistan.

So contrary to your statement it doesn’t seem like everyone is against Russia.

European countries hold more clout than the Africans indebted to Russia like Pakistan is china.

It was a stupid and frankly reckless display of chest puffing on behalf of Russia who can and will fight its own battle.

India kept quiet and has increased its russian trade but Pakistan unnecessarily decided to make a noise. For what?. A coup of its own.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1573845/pakistan-russia-new-world-order-gas-ukraine-war-putin

These types of stories became common practice in the tabloids after Khan's vainglorious speech.

Has Pakistan really got the power itself to repel Nato a la Russia?. Delusion.

Even Pakistan's landlord has spoken against Russia now
 
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Zelenskyy demands 'firm response' to railway blast

Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy has demanded a "firm global response" as he blamed Russian forces for a missile strike near a railway station which killed at least 50 people - including four children.

Speaking in his nightly video address he called the attack on the station in Kramatorsk a "war crime".

He said a "delay in providing weapons to Ukraine, any refusals, can only mean the politicians in question want to help the Russian leadership more than us".

SKY
 
The UK will send armoured vehicles to Ukraine for the first time as part of a new £100m package of military aid.

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told Sky News the Ukrainian military will be given Mastiff heavily armoured patrol vehicles, which weigh 23 tons and carry eight troops plus two crew.

It is understood they will be stripped of sensitive equipment and could help the Ukrainian army mount offensive operations close to Russian lines.

The Mastiff was designed to withstand Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) during the Afghanistan conflict.

Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles, helmets, and night vision goggles will be included in the consignment, in addition to 200,000 items already distributed.

Speaking at a NATO ceremony in Romania, Mr Wallace refused to be drawn on whether the UK would commit anti-ship missiles such as the Harpoon.

"I won’t discuss different types of weapons systems," he said. "I don’t want to flag to Russians any change until they have happened."

Volodymyr Zelenskyy has requested the missiles to help prevent Russia from consolidating its control of Ukraine's Black Sea coast.

Mr Wallace said: "Our commitment to support Ukraine to make sure they have as much help as possible to defend themselves. And if the tactics of the Russians change, what we give them will change as well."

The defence secretary also called the Kremlin "deluded" after Sky News' exclusive interview with Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

"[The interview] shows how deluded to some extent the Kremlin is," Mr Wallace said.

"I think it is interesting it is the first time they recognise significant losses which [Peskov] describes as tragic. But of course there is a responsibility for those tragic losses. And I don’t want to see young Russian men killed any more than I want to see Ukrainian people killed."

Earlier, at a Downing Street news conference alongside the German chancellor, Boris Johnson said: "Britain and Germany have joined dozens of allies to supply Ukraine with defensive weapons. Last week, the UK convened a donor conference which raised weapons and equipment for Ukraine worth over £1.5bn - or 2.5 million items of military kit.

"Today I can announce that the UK will send a further £100 million worth of high-grade military equipment to Ukraine's armed forces, including more Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, which fly at three times the speed of sound."

SKY
 
European countries hold more clout than the Africans indebted to Russia like Pakistan is china.

It was a stupid and frankly reckless display of chest puffing on behalf of Russia who can and will fight its own battle.

India kept quiet and has increased its russian trade but Pakistan unnecessarily decided to make a noise. For what?. A coup of its own.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1573845/pakistan-russia-new-world-order-gas-ukraine-war-putin

These types of stories became common practice in the tabloids after Khan's vainglorious speech.

Has Pakistan really got the power itself to repel Nato a la Russia?. Delusion.

Even Pakistan's landlord has spoken against Russia now

I was in the middle of replying to your post but then I realise I had made it before and people like you and I won’t change our views. So I’ll leave it with one statement, you fail to realise what the power of a nation with over 220 million is and with many millions overseas who care dearly about the country.
 
So bones is leaning towards option A.

What about you KingKhanWC - A,B,C or D ?

lol

Russians have been the most cautious in this operation in modern history. Your supporting Nato nations . The US murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis by the same time .

Ukrainians nearing full defeat are trying everything inc butchering their own people.

Seriously you should go & see for yourself but you’d rather cheerlead with emotional rants
 
Russians have totally fubared this operation

It's a massive military defeat they are now regrouping for round 2 in donbass .

The losses russia has suffered are unprecedented whole battalions wiped out .

Their own minister was on sky with his head down claiming significant losses , and hoping the next part of the operation goes well .
 
Russians have totally fubared this operation

It's a massive military defeat they are now regrouping for round 2 in donbass .

The losses russia has suffered are unprecedented whole battalions wiped out .

Their own minister was on sky with his head down claiming significant losses , and hoping the next part of the operation goes well .

Please tell us oh enlightened one how you managed to obtain the plans for this operation. I mean you must have inside knowledge otherwise how would you be so confident they've "fubared" an operation to which the rest of us have no plans for.

We have to repeat over and over to people like you. The Russians commited 200k forces for this conflict, the Ukrainians have 600k+ when you combine their national guard, reservists. mercenaries and the army itself.

Please tell us with your vast experience how you would shape the battlefield with a 1/3 ratio. I'm very interested to know.
 
lol

Russians have been the most cautious in this operation in modern history. Your supporting Nato nations . The US murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis by the same time .

Ukrainians nearing full defeat are trying everything inc butchering their own people.

Seriously you should go & see for yourself but you’d rather cheerlead with emotional rants

🤣 🤣, I wonder who is actually going on “emotional rants” ?

I asked you a very simple question on who was to blame for the missile attack on the Ukrainian train station that killed 50 civilians yesterday but as predicted you have spinned this into a tirade about NATO, the US and the war in Iraq.

On the question it seems you are leaning towards option A but also have mentioned NATO so could be C as well.

Once again, A,B,C or D ?
 
🤣 🤣, I wonder who is actually going on “emotional rants” ?

I asked you a very simple question on who was to blame for the missile attack on the Ukrainian train station that killed 50 civilians yesterday but as predicted you have spinned this into a tirade about NATO, the US and the war in Iraq.

On the question it seems you are leaning towards option A but also have mentioned NATO so could be C as well.

Once again, A,B,C or D ?

I don’t need to entertain your ABC We are not 5 years old :)))

Now care to answer this …

Approx 14000 murdered by in eastern Ukraine from 2014 onwards . Who killed them & why ?
 
I don’t need to entertain your ABC We are not 5 years old :)))

Now care to answer this …

Approx 14000 murdered by in eastern Ukraine from 2014 onwards . Who killed them & why ?

What a shame Khan, couldn’t even answer a simple question. :ssmith

You didn’t even need to give a detailed explanation. All you had to do was tick a box like you do when you take a driving theory test on what you thought was the right answer.

I don’t answer questions when you didn’t answer mine so I will not answer yours :asad1

I am sure you you find a way to cover up this latest war crime without going back to the 2014 invasion. Think harder.
 
What a shame Khan, couldn’t even answer a simple question. :ssmith

You didn’t even need to give a detailed explanation. All you had to do was tick a box like you do when you take a driving theory test on what you thought was the right answer.

I don’t answer questions when you didn’t answer mine so I will not answer yours :asad1

I am sure you you find a way to cover up this latest war crime without going back to the 2014 invasion. Think harder.

Lol
This thread is many pages , I’ve asked this before you knew where Ukraine was located . There’s no need for detail In the answer . Never mind , watch cnn & come later with more emotions & anxiety
 
Lol
This thread is many pages , I’ve asked this before you knew where Ukraine was located . There’s no need for detail In the answer . Never mind , watch cnn & come later with more emotions & anxiety

Now diverting to CNN ? From NATO, to the Iraq war and now to a U.S. corporate news network I never watch as I am not in the US, in case you didn’t know. But you probably did know hence the diversion tactic.

All you have being doing is non stop Putin apologia in this thread. You have covered up every single crime his forces have committed by going on a tangent about where Ukraine is located to the 2014 invasion to NATO is bad and now talking about CNN.

All you had to do was pick an option but of course even this is too hard for contrarians like yourself. At least Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate get paid to do their propaganda, you do it for free :maqsood
 
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YouTube blocks Russian parliament TV

YouTube has blocked Duma TV, which broadcasts from Russia's lower house of parliament.

On Saturday, a message on YouTube said the Duma TV channel had been "terminated for a violation of YouTube's terms of service".

The move provoked an immediate angry response from Russian officials.

"YouTube has been under pressure from Russian communications regulator Roskomnadzor and officials were quick to respond," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Telegram.

"From the look of it, YouTube has signed its own warrant. Save content, transfer (it) to Russian platforms. And hurry up."

A spokesman for Google said: "Google is committed to compliance with all applicable sanctions and trade compliance laws.

"If we find that an account violates our terms of service, we take appropriate action. Our teams are closely monitoring the situation for any updates and changes."

The move comes after YouTube last month removed a Russian prank channel that ran clips of hoax calls, purportedly from Ukrainian ministers, to UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace and Home Secretary Priti Patel.

SKY
 
Please tell us oh enlightened one how you managed to obtain the plans for this operation. I mean you must have inside knowledge otherwise how would you be so confident they've "fubared" an operation to which the rest of us have no plans for.

We have to repeat over and over to people like you. The Russians commited 200k forces for this conflict, the Ukrainians have 600k+ when you combine their national guard, reservists. mercenaries and the army itself.

Please tell us with your vast experience how you would shape the battlefield with a 1/3 ratio. I'm very interested to know.

If this was America it would totally have destroyed the ukranian military with airstrikes the same way they did with Iraq. They also would have hit key infrastructures and basically collapsed the ukranian economy within a week.

This just shows russian aircraft are not up to par and their precision strike capabablities are severely lacking or totally failed and they have resorted to indiscriminate strikes .

And now due to social media we can see first hand of russians being destroyed in convoys , tanks abandoned aircraft shot down and troops withdrawing and surrendering and all sorts

It's fubared because they have lost over 12 senior military officials and their elite troops have suffered significant casualties .
 
If this was America it would totally have destroyed the ukranian military with airstrikes the same way they did with Iraq. They also would have hit key infrastructures and basically collapsed the ukranian economy within a week.

This just shows russian aircraft are not up to par and their precision strike capabablities are severely lacking or totally failed and they have resorted to indiscriminate strikes .

And now due to social media we can see first hand of russians being destroyed in convoys , tanks abandoned aircraft shot down and troops withdrawing and surrendering and all sorts

It's fubared because they have lost over 12 senior military officials and their elite troops have suffered significant casualties .

All explained now. You haven't got a clue what Russia are trying to achieve here and so everything else falls apart.

First America can afford to bomb indiscriminately because 1. they are the self pro-claimed international policeman and 2. they have an ocean or two between them and the places they turn to rubble.

Second the Russians are neighbouring Ukraine, the most collateral damage there is the more like that there will be insurgency. On top of that many Russians have family in Ukraine and vice versa so the bond is close.

Regarding the aircraft, they are performing 300 sorties a night, the problem is they are not recording every single hit like the Ukranians. If they did your jaw would drop at just how one side the air battle is. The Russians haven't even used much of their newer aircraft, they've stuck to mostly Su-24/25s. They haven't needed to and why would they? The Su-24/25s are doing a more than effective job. The Ukrainians are struggling to get any aircraft in the air. Ukrainians have mobile phones so they can record everything. The Russians smartly didn't let most of their troops go in with phones so most of what we see is one sided. The reality is far different.

The Ukranians are destroying some convoys, the Russians are suffering heavy losses. But once again you fail to acknowledge the losses suffered by the Ukrainians. Ukraine has lost 80%, over 2000 of it's armored vehicles, artillery and tanks. The Russians have lost about 8-10% and much of that was left stranded due to fuel shortage. Whilst Ukraine is feeding the people videos of taking odd the odd small convoy, Russia are busy destroying entire bases, fuel and ammo depos all the while leaving roads and train lines open. That's the equivalent in chess of Ukraine taking 1 pawn but Russia taking the Queen and a Knight.

Finally, Russia have lost some commanders, it's a conflict between two well trained, well equipped and professional armies. There will be losses on both sides.
 
So more evidence coming out point towards the Ukranians launching the missile on Kramatorsk. Wonder if western MSM will acknowledge the misleading headlines yesterday. The serial/ID number of the missile is in tact and it matches something in the Ukranian inventory. The direction of the attack as also originating in Ukranian controlled territory - they have a method to do this because part of the missile seperates from the head just before impact. Better still, western media are the ones who've covered this so there can be no calls of foul play.

https://twitter.com/meatballsubzero/status/1512767113550729216
https://tg.la7.it/esteri/guerra-ucr...o-la-stazione-di-kramatosrk-08-04-2022-170588
 
The CIA weaponized the KLA - Kosovo Liberation Army - in order to destabilize and balkanize Yugoslavia, Serbia was blamed for 'genocide.' The exact same thing happened with Ukraine, it has been weaponized in order to destabilize and balkanize Russia.

The latest Intel declassification dumps detail CIA funding, arming Nazi groups in Ukraine - in order to 'Nazify' Ukraine - with the aim of destabilizing the USSR. The collapse of the Soviet Union necessarily resulted in those CIA assets being used against Russia - it defeated Nazi Germany and has a historic aversion to Nazis and far-right organizations, which is why it characterized its mission in Ukraine as 'demilitarizing and denazifying' the country.



'The recent declassification of over 3800 documents by the Central Intelligence Agency provides detailed proof that since 1953 the CIA operated two major programs intent on not only destabilizing Ukraine but Nazifying it with followers of the World War II Ukrainian Nazi leader Stepan Bandera.

The CIA programs spanned some four decades. Starting as a paramilitary operation that provided funding and equipment for such anti-Soviet Ukrainian resistance groups as the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council (UHVR); its affiliates, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), all Nazi Banderists. The CIA also provided support to a relatively anti-Bandera faction of the UHVR, the ZP-UHVR, a foreign-based virtual branch of the CIA and British MI-6 intelligence services. The early CIA operation to destabilize Ukraine, using exile Ukrainian agents in the West who were infiltrated into Soviet Ukraine, was codenamed Project AERODYNAMIC.

A formerly TOP SECRET CIA document dated July 13, 1953, provides a description of AERODYNAMIC: «The purpose of Project AERODYNAMIC is to provide for the exploitation and expansion of the anti-Soviet Ukrainian resistance for cold war and hot war purposes. Such groups as the Ukrainian Supreme Council of Liberation (UHVR) and its Ukrainian Insurgent Army (OUN), the Foreign Representation of the Ukrainian Supreme Council of Liberation (ZPUHVR) in Western Europe and the United States, and other organizations such as the OUN/B will be utilized». The CIA admitted in a 1970 formerly SECRET document that it had been in contact with the ZPUHVR since 1950.

The OUN-B was the Bandera faction of the OUN and its neo-Nazi sympathizers are today found embedded in the Ukrainian national government in Kiev and in regional and municipal governments throughout the country.

AERODYNAMIC placed field agents inside Soviet Ukraine who, in turn, established contact with Ukrainian Resistance Movement, particularly SB (intelligence service) agents of the OUN who were already operating inside Ukraine. The CIA arranged for airdrops of communications equipment and other supplies, presumably including arms and ammunition, to the «secret» CIA army in Ukraine. Most of the CIA’s Ukrainian agents received training in West Germany from the US Army’s Foreign Intelligence Political and Psychological (FI-PP) branch. Communications between the CIA agents in Ukraine and their Western handlers were conducted by two-way walkie-talkie (WT), shortwave via international postal channels, and clandestine airborne and overland couriers.'


https://offgraun.wordpress.com/2016/05/14/cia-undermining-and-nazifying-ukraine-since-1953/
 
Brainwashing techniques of Intel operations -


'Welcome to World of Private Sector IO (Information Operations)

IO or IIO (Inform and Influence Operations) defined by the US Army includes the fields of psychological operations and military deception.

In military IIO operations center on the ability to influence foreign audiences, US and global audiences, and adversely affect enemy decision making through an integrated approach. Even current event news is released in this fashion. Each portal is given messages that follow the same themes because it is an across the board mainstream effort that fills the information space entirely when it is working correctly.

The purpose of “Inform and Influence Operations” is not to provide a perspective, opinion, or lay out a policy. It is defined as the ability to make audiences “think and act” in a manner favorable to the mission objectives. This is done through applying perception management techniques which target the audiences emotions, motives, and reasoning.

These techniques are not geared for debate. It is to overwhelm and change the target psyche.

Using these techniques information sources can be manipulated and those that write, speak, or think counter to the objective are relegated as propaganda, ill informed, or irrelevant.


https://offgraun.wordpress.com/2015/03/22/hardings-psyops-war-in-ukraine/
 
The CIA weaponized the KLA - Kosovo Liberation Army - in order to destabilize and balkanize Yugoslavia, Serbia was blamed for 'genocide.' The exact same thing happened with Ukraine, it has been weaponized in order to destabilize and balkanize Russia.

The latest Intel declassification dumps detail CIA funding, arming Nazi groups in Ukraine - in order to 'Nazify' Ukraine - with the aim of destabilizing the USSR. The collapse of the Soviet Union necessarily resulted in those CIA assets being used against Russia - it defeated Nazi Germany and has a historic aversion to Nazis and far-right organizations, which is why it characterized its mission in Ukraine as 'demilitarizing and denazifying' the country.



'The recent declassification of over 3800 documents by the Central Intelligence Agency provides detailed proof that since 1953 the CIA operated two major programs intent on not only destabilizing Ukraine but Nazifying it with followers of the World War II Ukrainian Nazi leader Stepan Bandera.

The CIA programs spanned some four decades. Starting as a paramilitary operation that provided funding and equipment for such anti-Soviet Ukrainian resistance groups as the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council (UHVR); its affiliates, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), all Nazi Banderists. The CIA also provided support to a relatively anti-Bandera faction of the UHVR, the ZP-UHVR, a foreign-based virtual branch of the CIA and British MI-6 intelligence services. The early CIA operation to destabilize Ukraine, using exile Ukrainian agents in the West who were infiltrated into Soviet Ukraine, was codenamed Project AERODYNAMIC.

A formerly TOP SECRET CIA document dated July 13, 1953, provides a description of AERODYNAMIC: «The purpose of Project AERODYNAMIC is to provide for the exploitation and expansion of the anti-Soviet Ukrainian resistance for cold war and hot war purposes. Such groups as the Ukrainian Supreme Council of Liberation (UHVR) and its Ukrainian Insurgent Army (OUN), the Foreign Representation of the Ukrainian Supreme Council of Liberation (ZPUHVR) in Western Europe and the United States, and other organizations such as the OUN/B will be utilized». The CIA admitted in a 1970 formerly SECRET document that it had been in contact with the ZPUHVR since 1950.

The OUN-B was the Bandera faction of the OUN and its neo-Nazi sympathizers are today found embedded in the Ukrainian national government in Kiev and in regional and municipal governments throughout the country.

AERODYNAMIC placed field agents inside Soviet Ukraine who, in turn, established contact with Ukrainian Resistance Movement, particularly SB (intelligence service) agents of the OUN who were already operating inside Ukraine. The CIA arranged for airdrops of communications equipment and other supplies, presumably including arms and ammunition, to the «secret» CIA army in Ukraine. Most of the CIA’s Ukrainian agents received training in West Germany from the US Army’s Foreign Intelligence Political and Psychological (FI-PP) branch. Communications between the CIA agents in Ukraine and their Western handlers were conducted by two-way walkie-talkie (WT), shortwave via international postal channels, and clandestine airborne and overland couriers.'


https://offgraun.wordpress.com/2016/05/14/cia-undermining-and-nazifying-ukraine-since-1953/

Serbs raped and killed countless Muslims. Some of the stuff they did when it came raping and enslaving women you'd think it was the dark ages again.

Absolutely pathetic post.
 
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What happened overnight in Ukraine?

Boris Johnson has travelled to Kyiv to visit the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy;

The British PM used the meeting to discuss giving more defensive aid to Ukraine, confirming the UK would send 120 armoured vehicles and anti-ship missile systems to Kyiv;

In his late-night address, Mr Zelenskyy said Ukraine is preparing for a "hard battle" in the east of the country, where Russian troops are gathering;

The EU has reopened its embassy in Kyiv after temporarily moving it to Poland following the outbreak of war in February;

The MoD says Moscow is seeking to "bolster troop numbers" with personnel discharged from the military service since 2012;

Evacuations will continue from the eastern Luhansk region on Sunday, with nine trains prepared to transport civilians away from the besieged region;
Meanwhile, Ukrainian officials have urged those in eastern Ukraine to flee immediately.
 
<b>Russian rockets destroy airport in Ukrainian city of Dnipro</b>

<I>Reports say the airport in the central Ukrainian city has been completely destroyed in the Russian attack.</I>

Russian missiles destroyed an airport in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro and five emergency workers were injured in the attack.

“There has been another attack on Dnipro airport. There is nothing left of it,” Valentyn Reznichenko, governor of the central Dnipropetrovsk region, said on Sunday.

“The airport itself and the infrastructure around it has been destroyed. Rockets keep flying and flying,” Reznichenko said on Telegram.

A missile also hit a building in the city’s Pavlohrad district, and emergency workers were combing through an infrastructure facility that was hit in the town of Zvonetsky.

Reznichenko said attacks on Dnipro city, which lies on the banks of the Dnieper River, intensified on Sunday.

The industrial city of one million people has been targeted by Russian forces since the invasion, but has so far been spared major destruction.

Separately, the head of the Dnipro region council, Mykola Lukashuk, says five staffers of the state emergency service had been wounded by the strike on the airport.

Russia’s Defence Ministry said that missiles fired overnight had destroyed a Ukrainian military base in Zvonetsky that had recently “received reinforcements from foreign mercenaries”.

On Sunday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy tweeted that he had discussed possible additional sanctions on Russia in a call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. Zelenskyy has called for an embargo on imported gas and oil from Russia, but Germany so far resisted pressure to declare an embargo.

Scholz said on Friday that Germany could end Russian oil imports this year, but stopping gas imports would be tougher because the country would need to build infrastructure to import gas from alternative sources.

Russian oil accounts for 25 percent of German imports, down from 35 percent before the February 24 invasion. Gas imports to Germany from Russia have been cut to 40 percent from 55 percent, and hard coal imports to 25 percent from 50 percent.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA AND NEWS AGENCIES

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/10/russian-rockets-destroy-airport-in-ukrainian-city-of-dnipro
 
The CIA weaponized the KLA - Kosovo Liberation Army - in order to destabilize and balkanize Yugoslavia, Serbia was blamed for 'genocide.' The exact same thing happened with Ukraine, it has been weaponized in order to destabilize and balkanize Russia.

There's a spectrum of people where on one extreme there's those uncritically accepting of MSM narratives, and the contrarian narcissists who regurgitate any thinly sourced nonsense on the internet and label it "research" or real news. It appears you along with a few others fall in the latter with all due respect. Your knowledge of Yugoslavia and Kosovo is narrow and limited to generalised anti-western critiques, sadly reflective of the hard left who struggle to criticise their pet regimes. Kindly pick up an actual history book written by academics and historians with local knowledge.

Despite an overwhelmingly Albanian population, Kosovo is integral to Serbian nationalist lore being the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church. For centuries they grieved its loss to the Ottomans. Eventually Kosovo and Vojvodina became Autonomous Provinces in Serbia in the State of Yugoslavia, before a constitutional amendment ensuring equal rights to the other Republics with a seat on the Rotating Yugoslav Presidency, their own bank, judiciary etc.

Slobodan Milosevic destroyed Tito's multiethnic state in a series of steps. He exploited Serbian nationalist fervour by airing falsehoods about alleged Serb persecution in Kosovo by the Albanians such as the desecration of Serb graves and rape of women (despite rape rates in Kosovo being LOWER than rest of Yugoslavia). In 1989, he removed the autonomy of Kosovo (and Vojvodina).

In a so-called "anti-bureaucratic" revolution, Milosevic gradually imprisoned his opponents and installed nationalist puppets in the Communist Parties of Serbia, Kosovo, Vojvodina, and Montenegro. The Yugoslav Communist Party, geriatric and impotent, were powerless to resist Milosevic's designs for a Greater Serbia which encompassed not only Kosovo, but the Serb-populated regions of Bosnia and Croatia. Milosevic even made a secret deal with Croatian leader Tudjman to carve up Bosnia between them in the 1992 Karadordevo Agreement which makes your assertions even more baseless.

The conduct of the wars in Croatia and Bosnia shouldn't need repeating. It was the worst act of genocide in Europe since the Holocaust. All parties committed atrocities, but the Serbs bore primary responsibility being the aggressors and perpetrated the worst acts. Sarajevo faced the longest siege of any capital in modern history. 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered in full view of Dutch troops at Srebrenica - a UN enclave. The West knew about its impending fall but didn't lift a finger until it was too late.

THESE acts lit the fuse of Kosovan armed resistance, they would've faced the same fate had Milosevic not been stopped. Milosevic didn't even spare Ivan Stambolic, who deposed for the Serbian Presidency, his political mentor for 25 years ! His body was found in a quicklime ditch. Did other Republics possess nationalist motives too ? Yes, but Serbia was the most powerful being twice the population of the second biggest - Croatia. Milosevic knew damn well unleashing Serb nationalism meant the destruction of Yugoslavia.

Serbs raped and killed countless Muslims. Some of the stuff they did when it came raping and enslaving women you'd think it was the dark ages again.

Absolutely pathetic post.
It's a sorry shame when an apparent defender of Muslim interests who bears the name of Allah (SWT) in her avatar is whitewashing the crimes of a man with the blood of thousands of Muslims on his hands. If there's a hell - Slobodan Milosevic and his enablers will rot in its hottest and darkest corner.
 
If this was America it would totally have destroyed the ukranian military with airstrikes the same way they did with Iraq. They also would have hit key infrastructures and basically collapsed the ukranian economy within a week.

This just shows russian aircraft are not up to par and their precision strike capabablities are severely lacking or totally failed and they have resorted to indiscriminate strikes .

And now due to social media we can see first hand of russians being destroyed in convoys , tanks abandoned aircraft shot down and troops withdrawing and surrendering and all sorts

It's fubared because they have lost over 12 senior military officials and their elite troops have suffered significant casualties .

By this time in the Iraq war around 400k people were killed by the Yanks.

You want Russians to act in the same way? If they did, all of Ukraine would be destroyed by now.
 
The Kramatorsk station attack news blaming the Russians is almost as embarrasing as using the Palestinian girl , pretending it was Ukraine.

The missiles used were from the same batch as used in 2015 by Ukranians, the serial numbers confirm this. There are no Russian troops where it was fired from and it makes no sense for Russians to attack its own people.

But the BBC and CNN goggle box viewers will be ignorant to this and then turn to denial when shown.
 
Countries give 2.5m euros for war crimes investigation
Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden have said they are giving 2.5m euros ($2.7m; £2.1m) to the International Criminal Court (ICC) to help its investigation into possible war crimes in Ukraine.

Dutch Foreign Minister Wopke Hoekstra - whose government gave one million euros - said it was the view of the European Union that the court was the best place to bring the alleged perpetrators to justice, news agency AFP reports.

The ICC's chief prosecutor Karim Khan announced he would begin an investigation at the beginning of March.

Since then, there have been numerous atrocities uncovered - including the discovery of mass graves in the town of Bucha and an attack on a railway station in the eastern city of Kramatorsk that left dozens of civilians dead.

BBC
 
According to Scott Ritter, the Russians are almost ready to close the cauldron in the south east. The Russians are bringing their big boys and big tools out now…finally. They have put a new guy in charge here and he is ruthless. The Russians are deploying their first tank army…that famous army who were first to storm Berlin in WW2. Some of their newer tanks and artillery out there. They have mobilised more units and phase 2 is almost upon us.

According to Scott Ritter any sane military man who is not a paid shill would surrender right now because once the cauldron is closed that army will be obliterated. They cannot retreat because they have no fuel or supply lines. They have no air cover so would be easy pickings. If the Ukrainian army goes in Donbas then it could be like the Germans in France in WW2 where once they broke through nothing stood between them and Paris.
 
Pull that number from your rear end son?

*by the time Iraq war was officially ended , *
Its way over in reality. The now wicked lady dead , Albright is on video saying she doesn’t regret the deaths of 500,000 children because it was worth . I’m not surprised you are totally clueless…by your post .

Do you feel people who defend Nato , Iraq war but are angry at Putin Need to drop the bottle , it’s a form of self harm ? Surely they can’t learn while rambling like drunk mad men ?
 
According to Scott Ritter, the Russians are almost ready to close the cauldron in the south east. The Russians are bringing their big boys and big tools out now…finally. They have put a new guy in charge here and he is ruthless. The Russians are deploying their first tank army…that famous army who were first to storm Berlin in WW2. Some of their newer tanks and artillery out there. They have mobilised more units and phase 2 is almost upon us.

According to Scott Ritter any sane military man who is not a paid shill would surrender right now because once the cauldron is closed that army will be obliterated. They cannot retreat because they have no fuel or supply lines. They have no air cover so would be easy pickings. If the Ukrainian army goes in Donbas then it could be like the Germans in France in WW2 where once they broke through nothing stood between them and Paris.

It’s been a well planned operation from the beginning . It’s very rare a military intervention is met with so much hostility by all the western world, to the point of harming themselves nato flushing the land with massive amounts of weapons openly. Nato instigated it , they want it to continue but Russia is ready to respond with force against the nazis in the east .

I don’t know what …. But something will happen , chemical attack or some major incident will be blamed on Russia so it halts but Russia cannot afford not to finish this & secure the east .
 
According to Scott Ritter, the Russians are almost ready to close the cauldron in the south east. The Russians are bringing their big boys and big tools out now…finally. They have put a new guy in charge here and he is ruthless. The Russians are deploying their first tank army…that famous army who were first to storm Berlin in WW2. Some of their newer tanks and artillery out there. They have mobilised more units and phase 2 is almost upon us.

According to Scott Ritter any sane military man who is not a paid shill would surrender right now because once the cauldron is closed that army will be obliterated. They cannot retreat because they have no fuel or supply lines. They have no air cover so would be easy pickings. If the Ukrainian army goes in Donbas then it could be like the Germans in France in WW2 where once they broke through nothing stood between them and Paris.

Your recent posts on this subject seem to have evolved from what was originally quite a balanced view of the conflict that you were providing for us to something out of a pro Russian Army motivational pamphlet.
 
Your recent posts on this subject seem to have evolved from what was originally quite a balanced view of the conflict that you were providing for us to something out of a pro Russian Army motivational pamphlet.

The more and more I learn about the recent history and the geopolitics at play it's almost impossible not to side with the Russians. I want them to succeed with this operation. The people of Donbas clearly want seperation from Ukraine from all the interviews of the civilians there and the residents of Crimea never considered themselves Ukranian.

Here is one thing that is being said by multiple Ukranian POW in the army in the south-east that literally no one in the west has mentioned. They said they were planning to invade Donbas to fight and eliminate the LNR and DPR forces on March 8.

I wish their was a way without war, but the west kept pushing and pushing and pushing and then finally the Russians said enough.
 
LVIV, Ukraine, April 12 (Reuters) - Civilians were fleeing from areas of eastern Ukraine on Tuesday ahead of an anticipated Russian offensive, while Kyiv said it was checking reports that Russian forces had used chemical weapons in the besieged port city of Mariupol.

The battle for Mariupol was reaching a decisive phase, with Ukrainian marines holed up in the Azovstal industrial district.

Should the Russians seize Azovstal, they would be in full control of Mariupol, the lynchpin between Russian-held areas to the west and east. The city has already been laid waste by weeks of Russian bombardments that have killed possibly thousands of civilians.

Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Malyar said the government was checking unverified information that Russia may have used chemical weapons while besieging Mariupol.

"There is a theory that these could be phosphorous munitions," Malyar said in televised comments.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy had said on Monday night that Russia could resort to chemical weapons as it amassed troops in the eastern Donbas region for a new assault on Mariupol. He did not say if they actually had been used.

The United States and Britain said they were trying to verify the reports. If Russia had used chemical weapons, "all options were on the table" in response, British Junior Defence Minister James Heappey said in London.

Chemical weapons production, use and stockpiling is banned under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). Although condemned by human rights groups, white phosphorous is not banned under the CWC.

The Russian defence ministry has not yet responded to a Reuters request for comment. Russian-backed separatist forces in the east denied using chemical weapons in Mariupol, the Interfax news agency reported.

But should it prove to be the case, it would mark a dangerous new development in a war that has already left a trail of death of destruction since Russian President Vladimir Putin sent his troops over the border on Feb. 24.

About a quarter of Ukraine's 44 million population have been forced from their homes, cities turned into rubble, and thousands of people have been killed or injured - many of them civilians.

REDOUBLING EFFORTS

Putin calls the action a "special military operation" to demilitarise and "denazify" Ukraine but it has drawn condemnation and alarm in the West, which has imposed a wide range of sanctions to squeeze the Russian economy.

After their troops got bogged down in the face of Ukrainian resistance, the Russians abandoned their bid to capture the capital Kyiv for now. But they are redoubling their efforts in the east and Ukrainian forces are digging in to face a new offensive.

The governor of Luhansk region, Serhiy Gaidai, urged residents to evacuate using five humanitarian corridors agreed for the east.

"It's far more scary to remain and burn in your sleep from a Russian shell," he wrote on social media. "Evacuate, with every day the situation is getting worse. Take your essential items and head to the pickup point."

In all, nine humanitarian corridors had been agreed for Tuesday, including one for private cars from Mariupol, Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said.

In its morning briefing on the conflict, the General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces said that aside from trying to take control of Mariupol, Russian forces were also intent on capturing Popasna, a town about two hours drive west of Luhansk, and were set to launch an offensive in the direction of Kurakhove, in the Donetsk region.

The Ukrainian military said its troops had repulsed attacks in both Luhansk and Donetsk.

President Zelenskiy pleaded overnight for more weapons from the West to help it end the siege of Mariupol and fend off the expected Russian offensive in the east.

"Unfortunately we are not getting as much as we need to end this war faster... in particular, to lift the blockade of Mariupol," he said.

WAR CRIMES ALLEGATIONS

The departure of Russian forces from the outskirts of Kyiv brought to light allegations of war crimes including executions and rape of civilians. Moscow dismisses the allegations as Ukrainian and Western provocations and has also accused Ukrainian forces of sexual violence.

Senior U.N. official Sima Bahous told the U.N. Security Council on Monday that while all allegations must by independently investigated, "the brutality displayed against Ukrainian civilians has raised all red flags".

"We are increasingly hearing of rape and sexual violence," she said. read more

Kateryna Cherepakha, president of rights group La Strada-Ukraine, told the council via video: "Violence and rape is used now as a weapon of war by Russian invaders in Ukraine."

Russia's deputy U.N. ambassador denied the allegations and accused Ukraine and allies of "a clear intention to present Russian soldiers as sadists and rapists".

Russia's defence ministry said Ukraine's government was being directed by the United States to sow false evidence of Russian violence against civilians despite what it cast as Moscow's "unprecedented measures to save civilians".

Putin is scheduled to meet Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko on Tuesday to discuss Ukraine and Western sanctions, news agencies in Russia and Belarus reported. Belarus is a key staging area for Russian forces.

The Russian leader said on Tuesday that Moscow's military operation would undoubtedly achieve what he said were its "noble" objectives.

Speaking at an awards ceremony at the Vostochny Cosmodrome in the Russian Far East, Putin was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies that Moscow had no other choice but to act to protect Russia and that a clash with Ukraine's anti-Russian forces had been inevitable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...moscow-dismisses-rape-allegations-2022-04-12/
 
Ukraine: UNICEF says almost 2 in 3 children displaced by fighting

The head of the UN's children's agency told the Security Council that in more than three decades of humanitarian work, he had never seen so many children uprooted in so short a timeframe.

Source: DW

The situation is getting worse day by day.

Not at Afghanistan level worse but if warmongers do not stop their efforts...

USA/NATO are sustaining Russian economy by buying cheap...

Except the average Ukrainians, everyone else is winning something in this damned war.
 
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What's the latest on the peace talks?

As we've been reporting, Vladimir Putin has said peace talks between Ukraine and Russia have stalled.

Here's the latest from the Russian president - and the view from the Ukrainian side:

Putin says talks with Ukraine "have again returned to a dead-end situation for us" while meeting his Belarusian ally Alexander Lukashenko

He also says Russia's "military operation" will continue, blaming Ukraine for "inconsistency in key issues" from talks and "fake claims" about war crimes

However, Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak has today told Reuters that although negotiations are "extremely difficult", they will continue

Podolyak said he believes Russia is trying to put pressure on future peace talks by making public statements beforehand

BBC
 
People in eastern Ukraine know the Russians are about to step up their offensive here. Even the dogs on the streets seem to know, and can be heard barking whenever there's a heavy thump of artillery in the distance.

Hundreds of thousands of people have already fled to the relative safety of western Ukraine. Once again large columns of Russian vehicles have been spotted by satellite - this time heading towards the east.

Here in the Donbas we've also seen signs of Ukraine bringing in more military equipment, including armoured vehicles and longer range air defence systems. But not in the volume of Russia's reinforcements.

Ukraine may be being more tactically astute about their movements, or simply have less. Both are probably true.

Many believe this next phase of the war in the east could decide the outcome of this conflict. Many also expect it to be bloody.

At our request, the Ukrainian army showed us one of their artillery lines that is already shelling Russian positions. The only way to get there was to travel in an armoured vehicle across fields. Much of the war here will be fought across open ground.

Ukrainian troops will also take advantage of their already dug in defensive positions.
We nervously looked up for any sign of Russian aircraft, but Ukraine still has air defences. We saw a vehicle fitted with radar and rockets and anti-aircraft guns, which we were asked not to film.

There were more air defences at the artillery positions, including short-range Stinger anti-aircraft surface-to-air missiles supplied by the West. They were out of their box and ready to fire, should the Russian drones or jets target their positions.

Such weapons have made a significant impact in this war - while Russia may have an advantage in the air, it still doesn't have control of the skies.

Ukraine's artillery is, so far, also proving effective. We did not see long lines of artillery, but instead a small mobile unit ready to move at a moment's notice. While the Russians have a bigger army, Ukraine's forces rely on well prepared defences and mobility.

Volodymyr, a Ukrainian soldier, told me they had to change position regularly to avoid being targeted.

"If we stay in one position for more than a couple of days, then we become the target," he said. He also highlighted another key difference; Ukraine's artillery was targeting military positions - Russian artillery - while Russia, he said, was also targeting towns and cities.

"They're shooting at our cities because they want people to panic. They want our people to give up," he said.

Russia will struggle to make significant advances while Ukraine continues to have effective air defences and artillery. Both sides have, until now, had similar levels of forces in the region - around 30-40,000 troops.

But Western officials say Russia is aiming to double or even triple its strength in the region. Though they add that might take considerable time as Russia reconstitutes its units. Some estimates suggest Russia has lost 20% of its strength since the start of this war.

Ukraine also has some of its most battle-hardened troops in the region. They've been fighting Russian-backed separatists here for the past eight years. They're well dug in, using fortified trenches and defensive positions. Some of the troops may look tired, but morale appears to be high.

Ukraine is also being given real time intelligence on Russia's military movements by their Western allies. They won't discuss details, but both Ukrainian and Western officials have confirmed this to the BBC.

Russia still has a numerical advantage - tens of thousands more troops being redeployed after its failed offensive around the capital, Kyiv. Russia is also now fighting on fewer fronts and its supply lines won't be as long.

Ukraine also has another problem to contend with - the enemy within. In the city of Kramatorsk we went on a police patrol looking for Russian saboteurs.

There is more pro-Russian sentiment here than other parts of Ukraine. The police stop and search passers-by, looking for evidence they might be Russian saboteurs. They search mobile phones. They're worried about people passing on information and photographs of Ukrainian defensive positions.

The local police chief, Col Alexander Malish, told me people are arrested and handed over to the intelligence services most days.

"I don't understand what's in their heads... maybe [it is] Russian propaganda? I think that after the war the people of Ukraine will have to work out what to do with people who've been helping the country of the occupying forces." Col Malish said it was part of Russia's hybrid warfare.

Several cities in eastern Ukraine have been targeted by Russian airstrikes, artillery and missiles. At a cemetery in Kramatorsk - where more than 50 people were killed in a Russian strike on a railway station last week - fresh graves are already being dug.

We watched the burial service of a recent Ukrainian casualty from a distance.
Alexander Tislenko was 34 when he was killed on the frontline, fighting for the Ukrainian special forces. All his mother, Tatiana, knows is that his position was being targeted by Russian Grad rockets before she was told he had been killed in combat.

Tatiana held a photograph of Alexander above his coffin, draped in a Ukrainian flag. She couldn't stop crying. Alexander was her only child.

Later, Tatiana told me: "Our son has dedicated his life to his homeland Ukraine. I'm so proud of him, but it's such a big loss. It's a loss I cannot forget during my lifetime. I curse [Russian President Vladimir] Putin."

Over the coming weeks here in eastern Ukraine there will be many more grieving mothers of both Ukraine and Russia. This phase of the war will be difficult for both sides. Both are likely to suffer significant losses. But the stakes couldn't be higher.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61080476
 
What US President Joe Biden said about Russia carrying out a genocide in Ukraine.

He had been at an event in Iowa, where he made an apparently throwaway remark about genocide during a speech on fuel prices. He was asked about this comment shortly afterwards as he boarded Air Force One.

Here's what he said:

Quote Message: Yes, I called it genocide. It has become clearer and clearer that Putin is just trying to wipe out the idea of even being - being able to be Ukrainian.
Yes, I called it genocide. It has become clearer and clearer that Putin is just trying to wipe out the idea of even being - being able to be Ukrainian.

"And the amount - the evidence is mounting. It’s different than it was last week.

"The - more evidence is coming out of the - literally, the horrible things that the Russians have done in Ukraine. And we're going to only learn more and more about the devastation.

"And we'll let the lawyers decide internationally whether or not it qualifies, but it sure seems that way to me."

Genocide is understood by most to be the gravest crime against humanity - a mass extermination of a particular group of people. We have more about it here.
 
LVIV, Ukraine, April 13 (Reuters) - More than 1,000 Ukrainian marines have surrendered in the besieged port of Mariupol, Russia's defence ministry said on Wednesday of Moscow's main target in the eastern Donbas region which it has yet to bring under its control.

If the Russians take the Azovstal industrial district, where the marines have been holed up, they would be in full control of Mariupol, which would allow Russia to reinforce a land corridor between separatist-held eastern areas and the Crimea region that it seized and annexed in 2014. read more

Surrounded by Russian troops for weeks, Mariupol would be the first major city to fall since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, with the battle for the industrial heartland of Donbas likely to define the course of the war. read more

Ukraine's general staff said that Russian forces were proceeding with attacks on Azovstal and the port, but a defence ministry spokesman said he had no information about any surrender. read more

Reuters journalists accompanying Russian-backed separatists saw flames billowing from the Azovstal district on Tuesday.

On Monday, the 36th Marine Brigade said it was preparing for a final battle in Mariupol that would end in death or capture as its troops had run out of ammunition.

Thousands of people are believed to have been killed in Mariupol and Russia has been massing thousands of troops in the area for a new assault, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said.

Ukraine says tens of thousands of civilians have been trapped inside the city with no way to bring in food or water, and accuses Russia of blocking aid convoys.

Russia's defence ministry said that 1,026 soldiers of Ukraine's 36th Marine Brigade surrendered, including 162 officers.

CHEMICAL WEAPONS WARNING

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, an ardent supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin, urged remaining Ukrainians holed up in Azovstal to surrender.

"Within Azovstal at the moment there are about 200 wounded who cannot receive any medical assistance," Kadyrov said in a Telegram post. "For them and all the rest it would be better to end this pointless resistance and go home to their families."

Russian television showed pictures of what it said were marines giving themselves up at Illich Iron and Steel Works in Mariupol on Tuesday, many of them wounded.

It showed what it said were Ukrainian soldiers being marched down a road with their hands in the air. One of the soldiers was shown holding a Ukrainian passport.

He did not provide evidence and Reuters has not been able to independently verify his assertion.

Chemical weapons production, use and stockpiling is banned under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention. Although condemned by human rights groups, white phosphorous is not banned. read more

Russia denies using chemical weapons, saying it had destroyed its last chemical stockpiles in 2017.

Moscow's incursion into Ukraine, the biggest attack on a European state since 1945, has seen more than 4.6 million people flee abroad, killed or wounded thousands and left Russia increasingly isolated on the world stage.

The Ukrainian prosecutor general's office said 191 children had been killed and 349 wounded since the start of the invasion.

The Kremlin says it launched a "special military operation" to demilitarise and "denazify" Ukraine. Kyiv and its Western allies reject that as a false pretext for an unprovoked attack.

FOUR PRESIDENTS VISITING KYIV

The presidents of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were on their way to Kyiv to meet Zelenskiy, an adviser to the Polish leader said on Wednesday.

The four join a growing number of European politicians to visit the Ukrainian capital since Russian forces were driven away from the country's north earlier this month.

U.S. President Joe Biden said for the first time that Moscow's invasion of Ukraine amounted to genocide, as Putin said Russia would "rhythmically and calmly" continue its operation and achieve its goals.

Russia has denied targeting civilians and has said Ukrainian and Western allegations of war crimes are fabricated.

Many towns Russia has retreated from in northern Ukraine were littered with the bodies of civilians killed in what Kyiv says was a campaign of murder, torture and rape.

Interfax Ukraine news agency on Wednesday quoted the Kyiv district police chief saying 720 bodies had been found in the region around the capital, with more than 200 people missing.

The General Headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said Russian forces were maintaining attacks on civilian infrastructure in the Kharkiv region in the northeast and the Zaporizhzhia region in central Ukraine.

At least seven people were killed and 22 wounded in Kharkiv over the past 24 hours, Governor Oleh Synegubov said. A 2-year-old boy was among those killed in the 53 artillery or rocket strikes Russian forces had carried out in the region, he said in an online post.

Reuters could not independently verify the information.

Russia denies targeting civilians. Putin on Tuesday used his first public comments on the conflict in more than a week to say Russia would "rhythmically and calmly" continue its operation, and expressed confidence his goals would be achieved.

Zelenskiy mocked Putin in an early morning address: "How could a plan that provides for the death of tens of thousands of their own soldiers in a little more than a month of war come about?"

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...isoners-if-you-want-top-ally-back-2022-04-12/
 
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Desperate family of British soldier beg Putin not to carry out 'dire' threats about captured westerners after the Ukrainian Army unit he joined SURRENDERED in Mariupol because they ran out of food and ammunition


The family of a British soldier fighting for the Ukrainian army have told how he phoned them in the middle of the night from the front line to say that he was surrendering to the Russian forces because he had run out of food and ammunition.

Former care worker Aiden Aslin, 28, who moved to Ukraine in 2018 after falling in love with a woman from Mykolaiv, was captured while defending Mariupol against Vladimir Putin's troops.

Speaking exclusively to MailOnline from the family home in Newark, Nottinghamshire, Mr Aslin's younger brother, Nathan Wood, begged the Kremlin to look after him.

Aiden called me at 3am today and mentioned they were having to lay down arms because of a lack of food and ammunition.

'It was a very brief call as we got cut off but I could tell by the tone of his voice that he wasn't happy.

‘As a family we don't want to say too much because Aiden's well-being and safety is our prime concern but President Putin has made dire warnings to those Westerners caught fighting for the Ukrainian Army.

'Aiden has been called a mercenary but that isn't true, he enrolled with the Ukrainian Army four years ago and has dual citizenship.

‘If the Russians do have Aiden captive, we would want to remind them of the Geneva Convention and to treat him and other soldiers in a humane and dignified way.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ussian-forces-treat-humane-dignified-way.html


Even the western media which has been lying through its teeth now has to admit to this surrender. Over 1000 have surrended.

Russia's plan has been impressive, Maripoul, the stronghold of the Nazis has been liberated.

Russian POW's were shot dead, tortured as seen in multiple videos postsed by the Nazis. Now they want to beg the Russians to treat them with kindness?
 
They've just lost their flagship the moskva in the black sea hit by missiles.

What a disaster this invasion is a highly incompetent disorganised operation .

Their airforce is not even up to mark , cannot effectively protect it land or sea forces.
 
They've just lost their flagship the moskva in the black sea hit by missiles.

What a disaster this invasion is a highly incompetent disorganised operation .

Their airforce is not even up to mark , cannot effectively protect it land or sea forces.

You haven’t a clue what this invasion is about, you have no idea about modern urban warfare and you are following the propaganda from the west.

The Russians are performing 300 sorties a night whilst the Ukrainians have almost no planes. The ones they do they can’t get off the ground.

The Russians have gone in to avoid civilian casualties and this is reflected by the low numbers of deaths. Compare to what happened in Iraq for example.

Losing one of their naval ships is a big blow, congrats to Ukraine.

Can you explain what the Ukrainians plan on doing about the cauldron closing in on their army in the Donbas?

Up until now the Russians haven’t bothered with their bombers but they are on high alert now so their soldiers might have had enough of being soft so far.
 
They've lost 2 large ships including a missile cruiser and you still have your head in the sand.

They re precision capabilities are rubbish because otherwise they would able to conduct airstrikes out of the range of manpads at medium to higher Altitudes to support their troops

Because they lack precision guided munitions or their precision munitions targeting ability isnt as good as western airforce they have to fly low which risks their aircraft too surface to air missile manpads.

Watch how the donbass operation goes all wrong their troops are logistically ill equipped low morale disorganised huge casualties of senior officers, they are giving the indians a run for their money in incompetency .

The Russian army has not evolved it still fight like its ww2 with outdated tactics they have history of stalling and getting smashed afghanistan, chechenya , idlib even in these wars they resorted to genocide and scorch earth.

Iraqi army was a highly trained force with some really elite units , don't give me the bull the ukranian army many made up off volunteers and forced male civilians is better .

Look how usa dealt with Iraq which had a very dense Sam Air defence coverage
And Russia is having trouble with a bunch of farmers and nazi hooligans with a shokha Jewish president trolling them everyday dressed like some football hooligan .

Saddam had to go in hiding , whilst ukranianian president is sightseeing with boris in kiev, where are the Russian aircraft drones to take em out their signals , intelligence aircraft that pick up enemy comms?.
 
Mazkhan I’m quite tired now, just gone past Sheri so I will address your points later. But the bottom line is you have no idea what the Russians are trying to do in Ukraine.
 
When news came through on the successful attack on the naval ship, the Russian public apparently did not take it well. To avoid the fury of his people the Russians have put their strategic bombers on high alert and apparently they are getting ready to use them. Up until now the Russians who have air superiority haven’t used these bombers.
 
When news came through on the successful attack on the naval ship, the Russian public apparently did not take it well. To avoid the fury of his people the Russians have put their strategic bombers on high alert and apparently they are getting ready to use them. Up until now the Russians who have air superiority haven’t used these bombers.

If they had any brains they would have taken these land based rocket launchers and anti ship launchers out in first place with precision strikes using munitions similar to jdam

For hardened surfaces they should have used penetrative warheads like bunker busters.

And for tunnels and trenches carpet bombing them with heavy bombers and using thermobaric bombs in the dug out areas , fuel bombs and white phosphorous.

Then move your land and sea assets .

Russian simply suck they have suffered significant losses from incompetence and a sub standard airforce .

I wouldn't be surprised if these idiots get one of these bombers shot down or crash it .
 
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If these idiots had any brains they would have taken these land based rocket launchers and anti ship launchers out in first place with precision strikes using munitions similar to jdam

For hardened surfaces they should have used penetrative warheads like bunker busters.

And for tunnels and trenches carpet bombing them with heavy bombers and using thermobaric bombs in the dug out areas , fuel bombs and white phosphorous.

Then move your land and sea assets .

Russian simply suck they have suffered significant losses from incompetence and a sub standard airforce .

I wouldn't be surprised if these idiots get one of these bombers shot down or crash it .

I don't think you have any idea what the situation is like there. The are extended families split across the border. So there are families with parents in Ukraine and children in Russia or vice versa. Putin and his leadership team may have friends and extended family in Ukraine too. That is why they have been soft and not doing what the Americans do.

But the Ukranians are really testing their patience with the propaganda.
 
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