Russia invades Ukraine

[mazkhan]

But it’s ok, your iPhone is fully charged

I bet his i phone and most things in his house and he buys from amazon are made in China.

If the west sanctioned China their economy would go in meltdown and inflation would rocket even more they've been unsuccessfully trying to trump India to takeover China to become the world's manufacturing factory but so far its been laughable.

 

[cpleigh]

But it’s ok, your iPhone is fully charged

I bet his i phone and most things in his house and he buys from amazon are made in China.

If the west sanctioned China their economy would go in meltdown and inflation would rocket even more they've been unsuccessfully trying to trump India to takeover China to become the world's manufacturing factory but so far its been laughable.

What are you talking about now? What's China and Iphones got to do with anything?

 

[SalimBhai]

Yeah yeah, Iraq was wrong, we’ve heard this stunt from liberals before, but not once have liberals, stated that they wanted Bush and Blair to stand trial for war crimes, but when Putin invades Ukraine, he’s a war criminal, but Bush and Blair were doing God’s work.

This is just one of many examples where liberal lies and hypocrisy are exposed.

Sir
there have been books written, articles, campaigns to hold bush and Blair responsible for the war crimes. Unsuccessful yes. But the effort has been there

 

[cpleigh]

Sir
there have been books written, articles, campaigns to hold bush and Blair responsible for the war crimes. Unsuccessful yes. But the effort has been there

He forgets anger usually subsides with time.

I remember mass demostrations at the time and the chants of war criminal etc

 

[bones]

Can junaids and cpleigh explain why Ukranians like to tie people to lamposts and telephone poles and then pull their trousers down?
[MENTION=145891]cpleigh[/MENTION] did you hear the words from the Pentagon about the 3 billion? Listen to the small portion startin 8:42 in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql9Y3w2CUZo

It's crazy that the MSM have not mentioned that these weapons will not be supplied immediately but rather medium to long term. 245k artillery shells to be provided, the Russians use that much in 4/5 days. Deliveries will begin in the "next several months".

Lol - is this the game changing weaponry you were holding out for?

 

[James]

I thought the British royal family was effectively the German royal family. Or “a” royal family.

There was a Russian royal family, but most of it was killed in the Revolution, and some distant relatives of the Romanovs along with the associated aristocratic classes fled to Britain. It’s true that many of their descendants live among us today.

 

[mazkhan]

Russia has another problem falling birth rates

And the economic crunch and war won't do any favours since the westernused slavs simply won't procreate since they are materialistic and dunya centric in nature

So russia needs immigrants and they should allow young afghan , pakistani and syrian , Chinese, n korean families to settle fill any job vacancies and join their armed forces .

Pakistan and Afghanistan are top on list because neither taliban or the shahbaz crook can offer young Afghans or pakistani men any sort of decent employment or career

 

[KingKhanWC]

Claptrap of the highest order.

Germany never did manage to invade Britain - and they had 15 months to do so from the Fall of France until they invaded Russia instead.

We fought them on the River Plate in South America, in North Africa, in Crete and in Italy. And they didn't beat us anywhere, although we clearly did have to retreat at Dunkirk, faced with French collapse and collaboration.

It wasn't Russia who ensured that the British Empire could not lose. It was the insane Japanese decision to attack Pearl Harbor which brought America into the war, from which point it was a foregone conclusion.

If I'm totally honest, having Russia advancing in the East just made things more complicated. It created a pointless cold war and destroyed the lives of everyone in central and eastern Europe for 50 years.

And the Nazis would probably have surrendered earlier to us and the Americans. The basically fought on all the way until the Red Army reached Berlin because they knew that even if you surrender to the Russians, they still rape your girls, women and grandmothers. They always have and always do. Even their Donbas "fellow Russians" face endless Russian Army rapes every day.

Your first sentence shows a misunderstaning of an invasion. Britain was bombed a plenty, invasion of airspace of towns by bombings.

You are only stating what you were taught in either UK or Aus school, the history is not accurate at all.

Germany was a rising power before WW1, UK and others started a war not because of a assassination but to curb Germany's growing economic power. This led to Germany becoming a Nazi nation, which was funded by Western banks. Your school never told you the Bank of England gave Nazi Germany millions of worth of Gold a few months before WW2. The Royals were also mates of the Nazis, heck little Queen Elizabeth was taught the Nazi arm greeeting.

You have a lot to learn but its for another topic. Here all you need to accept if it werent for Russians you wouldnt be a Pakistani born, Englishman living in Australia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The claim everyone living in the west will be happy to pay higher bills for the freedom of Ukraine is simply a lie. A large % if not most would rather pay less over paying more for supporting Ukraine.

I think those who support Ukraine should pay for others bills. Send a cheque to perhaps pensioners or single mothers.

 

[Technics 1210]

He forgets anger usually subsides with time.

I remember mass demostrations at the time and the chants of war criminal etc

I remember the chants too, but my point was YOU have not said once you want Blair and Bush to face war crime trials, despite me asking you mutiple times in this thread. Your high-fivers in this thread refuse to say so too.

So let me make this simple, I will ask you AGAIN, do YOU want Bush and Blair to face trial for war crimes?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

 

[Junaids]

Now you are changing your tune and ignoring the forced Amreeka military bases in Iraq.

I am curious too, you care about white Europeans only, so why haven't you taken in Ukrainian refugees?

Come back when you have a consistent story to defend.

Saddam Hussein exterminated the Marsh Arabs, who were Iraqis. I know that he was armed by the Russians but still, what are you whining about?

Do you wish that Uday Hussein was still cruising the streets of Baghdad, picking up women to rape and murder?

 

[cpleigh]

I remember the chants too, but my point was YOU have not said once you want Blair and Bush to face war crime trials, despite me asking you mutiple times in this thread. Your high-fivers in this thread refuse to say so too.

So let me make this simple, I will ask you AGAIN, do YOU want Bush and Blair to face trial for war crimes?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

Bush - yes
Blair - no

Since I've answered yours, why don't u answer mine that u keep ignoring...

If Russia is wonderful why don't u want to live ther?

 

[Technics 1210]

If Russia is wonderful why don't u want to live ther?

Where/When did I say Russia is wonderful?

 

[Technics 1210]

Bush - yes
Blair - no

Interesting, Blair shouldn't be tried despite him having colluded with Bush and lying to parliament.

Bit like saying Hitler was guilty but Stalin was not.

 

[cpleigh]

Where/When did I say Russia is wonderful?

Energy is cheap, you like their outlook on the world and you believe Ukranians should be part of it.

Are you now saying thats not true?

 

[cpleigh]

Interesting, Blair shouldn't be tried despite him having colluded with Bush and lying to parliament.

Bit like saying Hitler was guilty but Stalin was not.

I believe Bush instigated it all, he wanted payback for 9/11. I honestly believe Blair was kind of forced into it and it snow balled.

 

[Technics 1210]

Energy is cheap, you like their outlook on the world and you believe Ukranians should be part of it.

Are you now saying thats not true?

Yes energy is cheap in Russia, yes Russia's outlook on building non USD trade is great, and yes Ukraine should be a part of Russia. None of this means that I believe Russia is a wonderful country.

What I do believe and have said multiple times in thus thread is that Putin, has exposed the hypocrisy of the West at a global scale. Whether it be in terms of the media, politicians urging Brits to fight for Ukraine, military expansion, select refugee policy for white Europeans, free press, free journalism, free expression/speech, continuous wars in the ME, invasions, economic ransom, the list goes on - the West is guilty of every single charge it hurls towards Putin/Russia.

In this respect, Putin is wonderful, he has exposed and confirmed what most of the world already knows, the West are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to war, fascism, and racism but now the silver lining is the SWIFT system and USD status are in decline now.

If only the West had negotiated peace with Russia, then we wouldn't be in this mess, but the new world order in terms of economy and political leverage has shifted from the West to the East.

Peace time is over.

 

[bones]

Peace time is over.

I think the Russians have surprised even themselves with how well they're coping with the sanctions. It's also probably shocked them that so much of the collective south and east are behind them.

Did you for example see how the Africans welcomed Lavrov and compare that to how Blinken was received a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Robert]

I believe Bush instigated it all, he wanted payback for 9/11. I honestly believe Blair was kind of forced into it and it snow balled.

That's close to my take. The Neocons Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld saw an opportunity to democratise the ME after the Berlin War fell. In Bush 43 they found a dupe, who was trying to prove himself to Poppy.

I don't think Blair was forced - he volunteered, saw himself as a liberator after his successes in Sierra Leone and Kosovo. A huge error. But Bush would have gone without UK, Poland and Australia in support. Maybe Blair thought he could temper Bush 43's crusader zeal? Who knows.....

 

[Robert]

I thought the British royal family was effectively the German royal family. Or “a” royal family.

There was a Russian royal family, but most of it was killed in the Revolution, and some distant relatives of the Romanovs along with the associated aristocratic classes fled to Britain. It’s true that many of their descendants live among us today.

Tsar Nicholas II was the father-in-law of Queen Alexandra’s youngest son, King George V.

KGV and Kaiser Wilhelm were first cousins.

 

[bones]

Zelensky was crying about the grain ships stuck a few weeks ago and the impact on Africa. I'm sure we all recall that.

Well since then 30+ ships with grain have left Ukraine and only one docked in Africa...

It turns out the Russians wanted to let them move the ships so they can identify where the Ukrainians have placed mines.

 

[cpleigh]

Zelensky was crying about the grain ships stuck a few weeks ago and the impact on Africa. I'm sure we all recall that.

Well since then 30+ ships with grain have left Ukraine and only one docked in Africa...

It turns out the Russians wanted to let them move the ships so they can identify where the Ukrainians have placed mines.

How very noble of Russia... Again proving everything they do is a lie wit sinister intentions

 

[msaaim89]

I've tried to stay out of this thread due to bias from both sides of the party but I have to respond to this post from Junaids which shows a completely biased misunderstanding (and probably sheer ignorance similar to other posts by same user) of such an important and critical event in our recent past. Side note, it wasn’t Russia but the Soviet Union.

Germany never did manage to invade Britain - and they had 15 months to do so from the Fall of France until they invaded Russia instead.

The same could be said of Britain not being able to invade France in those 15 months. The reality was, Germany was an elephant on land and Britain a whale of the seas. Neither able to challenge the other. Hindsight now shows Germany were actually winning the air war until High Command switched to bombing London.

We fought them on the River Plate in South America, in North Africa, in Crete and in Italy. And they didn't beat us anywhere, although we clearly did have to retreat at Dunkirk, faced with French collapse and collaboration.

Germany, after losing WW1, was stripped of it's overseas territories so was never really going to succeed outside of Europe / North Africa. Britain was beat in Norway, France and Greece/Crete. Allies were initially being beaten in North Africa despite Germans suffering from supply issues. The Eastern Front was taking resource precedence which exacerbated the logistical problems in North Africa thereby making the situation impossible for Germany/Italy.

It wasn't Russia who ensured that the British Empire could not lose. It was the insane Japanese decision to attack Pearl Harbor which brought America into the war, from which point it was a foregone conclusion.

No. It required combined efforts of the Commonwealth, Soviet Union and USA. You could argue Germany lost after the failure of Operation Barbarossa and the subsequent winter counter offensive of 41/42. Before the US could bring significant power to mainland Europe, Stalingrad and Kursk were already over. Vast majority of German divisions were destroyed on the Eastern Front.

Pearl Harbour didn’t automatically bring USA to war with Germany. Germany for some puzzling reason decided to declare on the USA (despite not being obliged to as part of Tripartite pact).

All in all, it required the full effort of all other major powers along with German strategic blunders to bring down Germany.

 

[Robert]

I've tried to stay out of this thread due to bias from both sides of the party but I have to respond to this post from Junaids which shows a completely biased misunderstanding (and probably sheer ignorance similar to other posts by same user) of such an important and critical event in our recent past. Side note, it wasn’t Russia but the Soviet Union.


The same could be said of Britain not being able to invade France in those 15 months. The reality was, Germany was an elephant on land and Britain a whale of the seas. Neither able to challenge the other. Hindsight now shows Germany were actually winning the air war until High Command switched to bombing London.


Germany, after losing WW1, was stripped of it's overseas territories so was never really going to succeed outside of Europe / North Africa. Britain was beat in Norway, France and Greece/Crete. Allies were initially being beaten in North Africa despite Germans suffering from supply issues. The Eastern Front was taking resource precedence which exacerbated the logistical problems in North Africa thereby making the situation impossible for Germany/Italy.


No. It required combined efforts of the Commonwealth, Soviet Union and USA. You could argue Germany lost after the failure of Operation Barbarossa and the subsequent winter counter offensive of 41/42. Before the US could bring significant power to mainland Europe, Stalingrad and Kursk were already over. Vast majority of German divisions were destroyed on the Eastern Front.

Pearl Harbour didn’t automatically bring USA to war with Germany. Germany for some puzzling reason decided to declare on the USA (despite not being obliged to as part of Tripartite pact).

All in all, it required the full effort of all other major powers along with German strategic blunders to bring down Germany.

Good points.

Though USA eventually put three times as many soldiers into Normandy than the Empire combined.

 

[SalimBhai]

I remember the chants too, but my point was YOU have not said once you want Blair and Bush to face war crime trials, despite me asking you mutiple times in this thread. Your high-fivers in this thread refuse to say so too.

So let me make this simple, I will ask you AGAIN, do YOU want Bush and Blair to face trial for war crimes?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.[/QUOTEY
Yes they are war criminals and should face the consequences. What about Putin or Erdogan?

 

[SalimBhai]

Yes they are war criminals and should face the consequences. What about Putin or Erdogan?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes they are war criminals and should face the consequences. What about Putin or Erdogan?

Lets put ALL on trial to see who is guilty. But Western criminal leaders will never be put on trial , meaning the whole war crimes discussion is nothing but a joke.

You have to laugh at those who think Blair was not fault, he was misled like a 5 year old with candy. lol.

Bliar fully supported the immoral invasion of Iraq, he was fully involved in the planning and since has been using his position to harm the middle east.

Never forget Blair and Bush stated GOD told them to invade, kill and occupy. They are 1000X bigger religious extremist terrorists than OBL could ever be.

Now Bliar and Bushy are silent ,not so quick to demand Dads army be sent to Ukraine. Cowards always know their place in the world.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lets put ALL on trial to see who is guilty. But Western criminal leaders will never be put on trial , meaning the whole war crimes discussion is nothing but a joke.

You have to laugh at those who think Blair was not fault, he was misled like a 5 year old with candy. lol.

Bliar fully supported the immoral invasion of Iraq, he was fully involved in the planning and since has been using his position to harm the middle east.

Never forget Blair and Bush stated GOD told them to invade, kill and occupy. They are 1000X bigger religious extremist terrorists than OBL could ever be.

Now Bliar and Bushy are silent ,not so quick to demand Dads army be sent to Ukraine. Cowards always know their place in the world.

Nailed it.

Some how if a leader is White, Christian, and wages war in the name of God, they're not terrorists - any other colour/faith, and they not just terrorists, but Western bogeymen.

 

[Robert]

Yes they are war criminals and should face the consequences. What about Putin or Erdogan?

What crime(s) did they commit?

Don't make something up, tell me

- which actual statute was breached
- which court enforces that stature
- whether one or both of USA and UK are subject to the authority of that court

 

[Technics 1210]

Here we go, liberal semantics and gymnastics.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=156573]SalimBhai[/MENTION]:

Rumsfeld was charged with breach of the 1948 Geneva Convention by a German court, because he allegedly authorised torture of prisoners. That means that Rumsfeld cannot travel anywhere in the EU without risking arrest by EuroPol.

If someone can demonstrate to me that Blair may be in breach of a statute laid down in the Geneva Conventions, I will agree that he should be charged. But nobody ever has, and they will not, because in law he cannot be charged. He was exonerated in the English High Court in 2017:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/31/tony-blair-prosecution-over-iraq-war-blocked-by-judges

 

[Robert]

Lets put ALL on trial to see who is guilty. But Western criminal leaders will never be put on trial , meaning the whole war crimes discussion is nothing but a joke.

You have to laugh at those who think Blair was not fault, he was misled like a 5 year old with candy. lol.

Bliar fully supported the immoral invasion of Iraq, he was fully involved in the planning and since has been using his position to harm the middle east.

Never forget Blair and Bush stated GOD told them to invade, kill and occupy. They are 1000X bigger religious extremist terrorists than OBL could ever be.

Now Bliar and Bushy are silent ,not so quick to demand Dads army be sent to Ukraine. Cowards always know their place in the world.

And neither will Putin, who is sitting in Moscow behind a wall of nuclear missiles.

No alleged war criminals in powerful nations will ever face trial. Only small-scale despots such as the Bosnians and Rwandans will stand in the Hague Court.

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberals always hide behind process. The question is not whether a process exists to charge Blair/Bush for war crimes, but the ‘personal’ opinion of liberals on whether Bush/Blair should be tried for war crimes.

Of course, NATO apologists will not want their Christian White leaders in court.

Remember, there was no court or ratified process to try Nazis following WW2, it was all done on the fly, but every European lover would have wanted the Nazis to be tried in the absence of any convention, court, or law.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nailed it.

Some how if a leader is White, Christian, and wages war in the name of God, they're not terrorists - any other colour/faith, and they not just terrorists, but Western bogeymen.

Just as we seen recently , a car bombing killing an young female journalist in Moscow is being cheered. Even Mr [MENTION=145891]cpleigh[/MENTION] earlier in the thread was using laughing terms after hearing the news. When its Jews in Israel or White Christians in the wests favour, it seems to be GOOD terrorism.

The Ironic thing is all those cheerleadering the proxy war will be the first ones to HIDE if Russia ever went to war with UK.

 

[KingKhanWC]

And neither will Putin, who is sitting in Moscow behind a wall of nuclear missiles.

No alleged war criminals in powerful nations will ever face trial. Only small-scale despots such as the Bosnians and Rwandans will stand in the Hague Court.

Agree. Then the western leaders should stop demanding others are put on trial for war crimes.

The Hague should be closed now. The world order has been shattered forever now. Russia, China, Middle East, Brazil, Africa have decided to create their own global pact/order.

Who knows, maybe in 20 years Europe and US will be shattered, those nations may send in an Army to arrest Blair and hang him in Trafalgar Square.

 

[Technics 1210]

Agree. Then the western leaders should stop demanding others are put on trial for war crimes.

The Hague should be closed now. The world order has been shattered forever now. Russia, China, Middle East, Brazil, Africa have decided to create their own global pact/order.

Who knows, maybe in 20 years Europe and US will be shattered, those nations may send in an Army to arrest Blair and hang him in Trafalgar Square.

Exactly!

Plus its too late to negotiate peace with Putin, he stretched out with multiple olive branches, but given the arrogance, hypocrisy, and audacity of the West, Putin has now ushered in the new world order with BRICS+

Looking forward to when Iran start circumventing US sanctions. It will be a glorious day.

 

[Robert]

The Hague should be closed now. The world order has been shattered forever now. Russia, China, Middle East, Brazil, Africa have decided to create their own global pact/order.

Who knows, maybe in 20 years Europe and US will be shattered, those nations may send in an Army to arrest Blair and hang him in Trafalgar Square.

Probably so. As I keep saying, the UN has failed and the world is reorganising into a democratic West bloc and an authoritarian East bloc.

I don’t think the downfall of the West is imminent though. Blair will be long in his grave by then.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly!

Plus its too late to negotiate peace with Putin, he stretched out with multiple olive branches, but given the arrogance, hypocrisy, and audacity of the West, Putin has now ushered in the new world order with BRICS+

Looking forward to when Iran start circumventing US sanctions. It will be a glorious day.

Probably so. As I keep saying, the UN has failed and the world is reorganising into a democratic West bloc and an authoritarian East bloc.

I don’t think the downfall of the West is imminent though. Blair will be long in his grave by then.

The horse has bolted, the ship has sailed. We are now in a historic era of huge change in the world.

Sadly the Western nations decided on a proxy war route instead of coming together with Russia/China to ensure the prosperity of not only their people but the world.

UN is an outdated global control system which has failed to deliver peace, only nukes have saved us so far from another world war.

Russia today is meeting with a number of countries to sign deals meaning their currencies will be used in trade not the US $.

Once the Petrodollar collapses, imo by 2025 or defo before 2030, the western world will suffer a huge economic collapse leading to mass poverty, mass crime. I just hope when this happens desperate nations with huge modern weapons dont decide on a nuclear war in desperation.

 

[Robert]

The horse has bolted, the ship has sailed. We are now in a historic era of huge change in the world.

Sadly the Western nations decided on a proxy war route instead of coming together with Russia/China to ensure the prosperity of not only their people but the world.

UN is an outdated global control system which has failed to deliver peace, only nukes have saved us so far from another world war.

Russia today is meeting with a number of countries to sign deals meaning their currencies will be used in trade not the US $.

Once the Petrodollar collapses, imo by 2025 or defo before 2030, the western world will suffer a huge economic collapse leading to mass poverty, mass crime. I just hope when this happens desperate nations with huge modern weapons dont decide on a nuclear war in desperation.

I think you are overstating Russia’s position. They have influence only because of their large nuclear arsenal and geographic position. Four European nations each have double their GDP.

China is the coming power, already with fifteen times Russia’s GDP and climbing away. I foresee a time in the latter 21st century where Russia becomes a China client state, alongside much of Africa and the Far East.

India will continue to rise, outstripping Russia and becoming a junior partner to China.

Looking longer term, there will be a population movement toward Europe and USA as people flee the authoritarian Eastern regimes. North America has wide open spaces so will be able to cope but overcrowded Europe will not and will have to adopt a fortress mentality.

So the big blocs will be

A Pacific bloc of USA-Canada-Japan-Australia-NZ
EU (with a sundered UK rejoined as this will be the only way to survive economically)
China-India-Russia-Africa

The Pacific bloc and EU will obviously remain allies.

 

[cpleigh]

Just as we seen recently , a car bombing killing an young female journalist in Moscow is being cheered. Even Mr [MENTION=145891]cpleigh[/MENTION] earlier in the thread was using laughing terms after hearing the news. When its Jews in Israel or White Christians in the wests favour, it seems to be GOOD terrorism.

The Ironic thing is all those cheerleadering the proxy war will be the first ones to HIDE if Russia ever went to war with UK.

I wouldn't say it's being cheered.. but certainly not being mourned.

After all, she did say all Ukranians should be exterminated and was part of a right wing Nazi esque group

 

[mazkhan]

Hungary has just given russia the green light to construct 2 nuclear reactors.

I predicted when winter sets in you will see the Eu/uk fall apart with their united front on russia.

Hungary is already causing problems before winter has even come.


These tory toffs since they don't live in the real world won't know the reality the chaos that low middle income families face in the UK this coming winter .
Your potentially going to have a developed nation 6th richest where large amounts of its population will be suffering from poverty in the form food energy shortages and rationing you couldn't make it up ,people without lights in the UK or afford to cook a meal.

 

[MenInG]

Russia has blocked the adoption of a joint declaration by a United Nations conference on nuclear disarmament.

The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is reviewed by its 191 signatories every five years, aims to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons.

Russia objected to a draft text citing "grave concern" over military activities around Ukraine's nuclear plants, in particular Zaporizhzhia.

Participants in the last review in 2015 also failed to reach an agreement.

The 2022 meeting, which had been due in 2020, was delayed because of the Covid-19 pandemic. The failure to agree a joint declaration followed a four-week conference in New York.

Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said she was "deeply disappointed" at the lack of agreement.

"Russia obstructed progress by refusing to compromise on proposed text accepted by all other states," she said.

The US representative, Ambassador Bonnie Jenkins, said the US "deeply regrets this outcome, and even more so on Russia's actions that led us here today".

Russia was opposed to a section of the text expressing "grave concern" over military activities around Ukrainian power plants - including the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which Russia seized early on in the war in Ukraine.

The draft section also remarked on "the loss of control by the competent Ukrainian authorities over such locations as a result of those military activities, and their profound negative impact on safety".

Russia's representative, Igor Vishnevetsky, said the draft final text lacked "balance".

"Our delegation has one key objection on some paragraphs which are blatantly political in nature," he said - adding that other countries also disagreed with the text.

The final document needed approval of all countries at the conference. A number of countries, including the Netherlands and China, expressed disappointment that no consensus had been reached.

The Dutch said they were "content with the useful discussions", but "very disappointed that we have not reached consensus".

China's ambassador, meanwhile, said despite the lack of agreement, the process was "an important practice of common security and genuine multilateralism".

The International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons regretted that "in a year when a nuclear-armed state invaded a non-nuclear armed state, a meeting of nearly all countries in the world failed to take action on nuclear disarmament", while the Washington-based Arms Control Association said the conference represented a "missed opportunity to strengthen the treaty and global security".

BBC

 

[Robert]

Hungary has just given russia the green light to construct 2 nuclear reactors.

I predicted when winter sets in you will see the Eu/uk fall apart with their united front on russia.

Hungary is already causing problems before winter has even come.


These tory toffs since they don't live in the real world won't know the reality the chaos that low middle income families face in the UK this coming winter .
Your potentially going to have a developed nation 6th richest where large amounts of its population will be suffering from poverty in the form food energy shortages and rationing you couldn't make it up ,people without lights in the UK or afford to cook a meal.

Hungary should be thrown out of EU and NATO as under Orban they have become unreliable allies and authoritarian.

The Tories have no clue. The good ones have retired or quit due to Brexit, replaced by tiffs and kippers welded to laissez-faire and are heading for cataclysm at the next GE.

 

[bones]

junaids and cpleigh have been telling us for months that the Russians are about to run out of missiles. Western propaganda told us they would run out as early as March 25. If the Russians are running out of missiles how are they still able to take out command centres, weapons, fuel depos as frequently as they did in the first few days? The answer is simple, the Russians started production a long time ago along with stockpiling.

https://inews.co.uk/news/russia-run...tions-ukraine-war-dumb-bombs-pentagon-1538910

 

[Technics 1210]

Wall Street predicted Russia's economy would collapse after it invaded Ukraine. These 3 charts show that hasn't happened.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...sting-analysis-market-strategy-economy-2022-8

GDP on the up.
Oil sales on the up.
Factory and services on the up.

Meanwhile in the West . . . . . .

 

[Technics 1210]

While the government has pledged indefinite support for Kiev, reality looks set to bite

The UK’s financial support for Ukraine’s military will run dry by the end of the year, a Defense Ministry source has told the Sunday Times. . London has already given Kiev more than £2.3 billion ($2.7 billion) in military aid, but whoever leads the country next will have to deal with strained public finances and declining public enthusiasm for a protracted conflict.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson visited Kiev last week, where he announced a new package of military aid to Ukraine worth £54 million ($63 million), on top of the £2.3 billion committed by the UK since Russia’s military operation began in February. Johnson promised to support Kiev’s military for “however long it takes,” and his likely successor, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss, is known for her even more hawkish stance toward Russia.

 

[Technics 1210]

UK's biggest warship, HMS Prince of Wales, breaks down off south coast shortly after setting sail for US

The UK's biggest warship has broken down off the south coast shortly after setting sail on what had been billed as a "landmark mission" to the United States.

HMS Prince of Wales, the second of the Royal Navy's two aircraft carriers, was experiencing an "emerging mechanical issue", a spokesperson said. The problem is being investigated.

The £3bn carrier, which became fully operational only last year, is reportedly anchored south east of the Isle of Wight while the investigation is carried out.

"HMS Prince of Wales remains in the South Coast Exercise Area while conducting investigations into an emerging mechanical issue," the Royal Navy spokesperson said.

The problem was first reported by UK Defence Journal, an online news site focused on defence issues, which cited unconfirmed reports about damage to the starboard propeller shaft.

A second specialist news site, Navy Lookout, said the 65,000-tonne warship had suffered a "significant technical fault".

"Should the issue prove to be serious it goes without saying that this is extremely unfortunate and not a good look for the RN [Royal Navy]," it reported.

https://news.sky.com/story/uks-bigg...st-shortly-after-setting-sail-for-us-12684290

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Well well, I think we can guess what the mission was, but lets blame Brexit and the Russians!

2nd or was it 3rd most powerful Navy in the world? Neither it seems.

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[bones]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-hope-recapturing-russian-held-kherson-204433

So Ukraine talked up this counter offensive but even the west now questioning how they will do it.

 

[bones]

https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1562516439566786560?s=21&t=KPToFZYa8abOFLTKk3B9jg

More and more airtime is being given to those who know what the situation in Ukraine really is. Up until now no one who held these views was given airtime. But now the reality of the conflict and the energy crisis is dawning on them they are rapidly changing the narrative.

 

[bones]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-co...rt-sparking-concerns-chinas-growing-influence

Changing order and the bullies don't like it. Good on China, why is it the Americans can have bases all over the world and others can't.

 

[Robert]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-co...rt-sparking-concerns-chinas-growing-influence

Changing order and the bullies don't like it. Good on China, why is it the Americans can have bases all over the world and others can't.

China flouting maritime law is standing up to bullies in your book?

You’re fine with bullies, as long as they are from East of the Bosphorus Bridge.

 

[bones]

China flouting maritime law is standing up to bullies in your book?

You’re fine with bullies, as long as they are from East of the Bosphorus Bridge.

This is more the cool tough kid helping to stand up to the bully.

 

[the Great Khan]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-hope-recapturing-russian-held-kherson-204433

So Ukraine talked up this counter offensive but even the west now questioning how they will do it.

It's as many of us have been saying since the beginning. The Ukrainian armed forces have been effectively ended as a solid cohesive fighting force. They can't counter attack. All of this talk is about disinformation and morale. Sooner or later the next Russian offensive is going to start..probably the south as the brits are saying. Once that happens the end could be brutal. Zelensky needs to negotiate now before its too late.

 

[the Great Khan]

https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1562516439566786560?s=21&t=KPToFZYa8abOFLTKk3B9jg

More and more airtime is being given to those who know what the situation in Ukraine really is. Up until now no one who held these views was given airtime. But now the reality of the conflict and the energy crisis is dawning on them they are rapidly changing the narrative.

He s still babbling on about stalled offensives etc etc..they've taken 20 percent of territory..they will take more..also talking about kherson while. At the same time saying they can't do much more..classic elite double speak..

 

[Robert]

This is more the cool tough kid helping to stand up to the bully.

No, it’s an authoritarian state refusing a ship access to a safe harbour in a democratic state. Ask the Solomon Islanders if they want the US Coastguard to dock.

Cool kids don’t put a million Muslims in concentration camps and forcibly sterilise the women, BTW.

 

[Robert]

He s still babbling on about stalled offensives etc etc..they've taken 20 percent of territory..they will take more..also talking about kherson while. At the same time saying they can't do much more..classic elite double speak..

That’s not what he said. Listen again. He’s a top-level professional soldier giving his opinion. He makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[cpleigh]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-hope-recapturing-russian-held-kherson-204433

So Ukraine talked up this counter offensive but even the west now questioning how they will do it.

Looks like its begun... loads of reports now that Ukraine has breached the Russian defences in Kherson

 

[bones]

Looks like its begun... loads of reports now that Ukraine has breached the Russian defences in Kherson

Lol. If it were true your MSM would be all over it. In the last week the Russians have taken more than 30 sq km in the region, it's more than likely some of that territory is in the grey zone so both sides could be swapping. In the end though the Russians will take it. The Russians have had months to prepare their defensive fortifications and let's not forget that the main Russian forces have been resting and are re-entering the battles now.

Until I see actual evidence of this counter offensive - it's not happened.

 

[Pakpak]

Good time bad times is a YouTube channel, analyses wars politics etc. Ran by a Polish. You can tell from this videos how much he hates the Russians.

Analysed the situation now too and said the same thing. No counter offensive is happening. Russia has moved and doubled its men and arms near Kherson. The bridges blowing while admirable hasn't stopped them.

Situation in the East is the same, small fighting but nothing more

 

[cpleigh]

Lol. If it were true your MSM would be all over it. In the last week the Russians have taken more than 30 sq km in the region, it's more than likely some of that territory is in the grey zone so both sides could be swapping. In the end though the Russians will take it. The Russians have had months to prepare their defensive fortifications and let's not forget that the main Russian forces have been resting and are re-entering the battles now.

Until I see actual evidence of this counter offensive - it's not happened.

It's on Sky news now... so yeah they are on it.

 

[bones]

It's on Sky news now... so yeah they are on it.

So I've just gone to Sky News Live on youtube and scrolled back an hour and nothing. So I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I went to their website and nope nothing.

So provide an actual source of a successful counter offensive at a BTG level or higher. Please don't waste time with "preparations", "signs of" or anything at a company level or lower because tactical level changes are very frequent all over the front line.

 

[cpleigh]

So I've just gone to Sky News Live on youtube and scrolled back an hour and nothing. So I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I went to their website and nope nothing.

So provide an actual source of a successful counter offensive at a BTG level or higher. Please don't waste time with "preparations", "signs of" or anything at a company level or lower because tactical level changes are very frequent all over the front line.

It's on their rolling coverage page.

US Intelligence have just confirmed it also

 

[cpleigh]

Ukrainian troops now entered Sukhyi Stavok (east of Kehrson), looks like they are attempting to drive down to Nova Kakhovka and cut the Russians off.

Russian state media have said all Russian workers have been sent home from Nova Kakhovka and told to go into shelters

 

[bones]

Ukrainian troops now entered Sukhyi Stavok (east of Kehrson), looks like they are attempting to drive down to Nova Kakhovka and cut the Russians off.

Russian state media have said all Russian workers have been sent home from Nova Kakhovka and told to go into shelters

So as I suspected, a small village on the frontline that will probably change sides a few times before the Russians eventually take it for good. According to google maps this is a very small village. By the looks of it it might offer some strategic value because it rovides fire control over 2 roads and the river.

However it's 60km from Kherson. I'm not sure the Ukrainians have started any meaningful counter offensive yet.

 

[cpleigh]

So as I suspected, a small village on the frontline that will probably change sides a few times before the Russians eventually take it for good. According to google maps this is a very small village. By the looks of it it might offer some strategic value because it rovides fire control over 2 roads and the river.

However it's 60km from Kherson. I'm not sure the Ukrainians have started any meaningful counter offensive yet.

They have according to themselves and the US. Ukraine have ordered a media blackout

 

[bones]

They have according to themselves and the US. Ukraine have ordered a media blackout

Let's give it a few days then shall we?

 

[Firebat]

Ukraine war: UN team leaves for Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant

An inspection team from the UN nuclear watchdog is on its way to Ukraine's embattled Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the organisation's head said.

Rafael Grossi, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said the team was expected to arrive at the plant later this week.

"We must protect the safety and security of Ukraine's and Europe's biggest nuclear facility," he tweeted.

The nuclear plant has been occupied by invading Russian troops since March.

Fighting around the facility in Ukraine's south-east has led to mounting global concern over the safety and security of the site.

Ukraine and Russia have accused one another of shelling the area.

Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky said Europe was "one step away" from a radiation disaster on Thursday when the plant was briefly disconnected from Ukraine's power grid and back-up generators kicked in to supply it with power.

He said fires had damaged the overhead power lines, cutting the plant off for the first time in its history.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62710530

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky said Europe was "one step away" from a radiation disaster on Thursday when the plant was briefly disconnected from Ukraine's power grid and back-up generators kicked in to supply it with power.

What a clown. Ukraine has been using drones to attack the plant since July.

In desperation Ukranians want to cause a nuclear disaster to blame Russians hoping more help will come. This was expected, as I wrote months back. Lets see if the inspectors tell the truth when they visit.

 

[KingKhanWC]

They have according to themselves and the US. Ukraine have ordered a media blackout

Time for another prediction Mr Leigh. Please give a timeframe for when Kherson will be taken by Ukraine? A week?

My prediction they will fail or capture some villages nearby then be obliterated into hell.

 

[cpleigh]

Time for another prediction Mr Leigh. Please give a timeframe for when Kherson will be taken by Ukraine? A week?

My prediction they will fail or capture some villages nearby then be obliterated into hell.

No idea. But they have started an offensive, not just Kherson. They have attacked near Izyum and Zaporizhzhia.

Theres been pics and videos online of Russian troops leaving

 

[KingKhanWC]

No idea. But they have started an offensive, not just Kherson. They have attacked near Izyum and Zaporizhzhia.

Theres been pics and videos online of Russian troops leaving

Care to post some evidence, its been months since you make claims but never attempt to prove them?

So you feel it could take months or years.

I think this will be cannon fodder for the Russians, Ukrainians are prob using foreign mercenaries to send upfront.

 

[Technics 1210]

Those whom are subservient to MSM have no evidence, they just have feeds.

Cold. Hard. Fact.

 

[cpleigh]

Care to post some evidence, its been months since you make claims but never attempt to prove them?

So you feel it could take months or years.

I think this will be cannon fodder for the Russians, Ukrainians are prob using foreign mercenaries to send upfront.

Try looking on non Kremlin news feeds.

Absolutely no point in giving u any evidence as you'll just claim it's fake

 

[Technics 1210]

Try looking on non Kremlin news feeds.

Absolutely no point in giving u any evidence as you'll just claim it's fake

Here's the thing, you only read MSM feeds, compared to the free thinkers who read both MSM and alternative feeds then make their own mind up.

Your ilk are subservient to MSM.

Sacred ickle liberals.

 

[cpleigh]

Here's the thing, you only read MSM feeds, compared to the free thinkers who read both MSM and alternative feeds then make their own mind up.

Your ilk are subservient to MSM.

Sacred ickle liberals.

You seem to be under the impression that I don't look at Russian telegram channels.... And that I also get to chose which version I believe.

Your obsession with the 'MSM' is very bizarre.

'US has assessed and concluded that Ukraine has a good chance to take back all territories lost at the start of the invasion'

Squeeky bum time for the Putin bots on here

 

[Technics 1210]

You seem to be under the impression that I don't look at Russian telegram channels.... And that I also get to chose which version I believe.

Your obsession with the 'MSM' is very bizarre.

'US has assessed and concluded that Ukraine has a good chance to take back all territories lost at the start of the invasion'

Squeeky bum time for the Putin bots on here

No denial I see. Great.

Don't use my words, use your own words. Though this a trait of MSM fodder.

You're a NATO bot, this is clear as daylight in this thread.

Time to recharge your batteries, and pull out your savings to pay for energy bills. A price worth paying in the name of Western liberalation.

How's your Navy warship coming along?

 

[cpleigh]

What am I meant to deny? You haven't asked me anything. The HMS prince of Wales is back on the move...

You're hatred of anything British is very odd. I mean.... You are British aren't you?

 

[Technics 1210]

What am I meant to deny? You haven't asked me anything. The HMS prince of Wales is back on the move...

You're hatred of anything British is very odd. I mean.... You are British aren't you?

Oh behave. You claim to be liberal humanitarian but the only lives that matter to you are White Judeo-Christians living in the West. This thread is proof of this.

You're hatred of non whites/Christians/Jews is crystal clear.

 

[cpleigh]

Wow .. my hatred of non whites? Didn't I say I was against the Iraq war?

You are an absolute lunatic

 

[Technics 1210]

Wow .. my hatred of non whites? Didn't I say I was against the Iraq war?

You are an absolute lunatic

No you didn't. You wriggled like a snake when asked if Bish and Blair should be tried for war crimes, but eventually produced an answer that wasn't even worthy of a response.

Plus it was not just about Iraq, save the drama, Western wars go beyond Iraq.

Pull the other one.