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[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] are you seriously getting your information from Scott Ritter ??? The guy has become a total laughing stock. I will present you one of his tweets and his exact words on 26th February 2022;

“Ukraine is getting schooled in the art of Urban warfare. Russia is advancing inside Kiev, a city of 3 million. It took the US a week to take Fallujah, a city of 200,000. We started with the city surrounded and our logistics in place.
Russia had to fight through layered defenses”

What do you think of that statement above ?? You said yourself Russia had no intention of taking Kiev yet the guy you are giving credence to says the exact opposite. His statement seems something Putin wanted to hear - but as we know it’s not grounded in facts or reality.

Ritter also retweets Tulsi Gabbard - do you know who she is ?? If you don’t I will enlighten you. she’s a right wing unhinged bigot who has been doing nothing Putin apologia since the invasion began.

No I will not get information from those paid propagandists who are not in the ground in Ukraine but I will get the facts needed from the journalists that are grounded in the country telling us exactly what’s happening.
 
You only need to look at the prices of energy to see if Russia has won or not.

Nuff said.

Apparently Germany is selling sunflower oil at 550% of the price it was 5 weeks ago. In Russia the price has increased at the same rate as inflation which is 13%
 
[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] are you seriously getting your information from Scott Ritter ??? The guy has become a total laughing stock. I will present you one of his tweets and his exact words on 26th February 2022;

“Ukraine is getting schooled in the art of Urban warfare. Russia is advancing inside Kiev, a city of 3 million. It took the US a week to take Fallujah, a city of 200,000. We started with the city surrounded and our logistics in place.
Russia had to fight through layered defenses”

What do you think of that statement above ?? You said yourself Russia had no intention of taking Kiev yet the guy you are giving credence to says the exact opposite. His statement seems something Putin wanted to hear - but as we know it’s not grounded in facts or reality.

Ritter also retweets Tulsi Gabbard - do you know who she is ?? If you don’t I will enlighten you. she’s a right wing unhinged bigot who has been doing nothing Putin apologia since the invasion began.

No I will not get information from those paid propagandists who are not in the ground in Ukraine but I will get the facts needed from the journalists that are grounded in the country telling us exactly what’s happening.

As usual people who have very little knowledge about a matter look to discredit the messenger rather than focus on the message. It is possible he got it wrong and corrected himself. I too was incorrect until I did some research and spoke to people who know about history and war.

My sources include The Duran, Grayzone, Lara Logan and others who are impartial and tell the truth. You are free to get your truth from the MSM in the west thought, they certainly know how to manipulate people.

Ukraine are winning the information and propaganda war. But the actual story on the ground is different.
 
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As usual people who have very little knowledge about a matter look to discredit the messenger rather than focus on the message. It is possible he got it wrong and corrected himself. I too was incorrect until I did some research and spoke to people who know about history and war.

My sources include The Duran, Grayzone, Lara Logan and others who are impartial and tell the truth. You are free to get your truth from the MSM in the west thought, they certainly know how to manipulate people.

Ukraine are winning the information and propaganda war. But the actual story on the ground is different.

Did I just read that your souces include Lara Logan seriously as well ??? :)))

Lara Logan is a unhinged conspiracy theorist. She’s the female Alex Jones. She compared the Covid epidemic to a Nazi plot of the 40s to take away peoples freedoms.
She has become such a big lunatic even a right wing network like Fox News have stopped giving her airtime.

As for the Grayzone don’t get me started on them.
It’s run by Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate who are some of the biggest pro Putin propagandists on twitter.
Aaron Mate just last week blamed the Ukrainians for the theatre bombing in Mariupol that killed 300 civilians without a shred of evidence.
He also has covered up numerous war crimes in Syria such as the chemical
Weapons attacks and absurdly blaming Syrian civilians instead of the Assad government.
He has also disgusting given the names of Syrian activists to the Russian government - he admitted this in emails.

No I don’t take any of these clowns seriously.
 
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No I don’t take any of these clowns seriously

Choose whatever sources you like and continue to believe your sources as the gospel truth.

Citizens are escaping Mariupol and are being interviewed and almost all of them have said they “know” Ukrainian forces bombed the theatre.

Why would the civilians of a city suffering from huge fighting be so sure about the bombing unless of course they witnessed things inside that western media doesn’t report. Or maybe they have suffered at the hands of the Azov forces for so long they don’t trust them.

It’s almost as if the people of Donbas and surrounding areas wanted the Russians or someone to come and wipe out these far right organisations.
 
Isn’t it so interesting how people always look to discredit other people instead of focusing on the message. If a serial killer tells us the Egyptians built the pyramids it doesn’t mean it’s a lie does it? The truth is the truth and it doesn’t matter who says it.
 
Demoralised Russian soldiers in Ukraine have accidentally shot down their own aircraft, sabotaged their own kit, and refused to carry out orders, a British spy chief has revealed.

Sir Jeremy Fleming, the head of GCHQ, said President Vladimir Putin's advisers are afraid to tell him the truth about how badly things are going.

In a rare public speech on Thursday in Australia, the senior intelligence officer also said:

• Wagner Group, the private military company with suspected links to the Kremlin, is understood to be prepared to "send large numbers of personnel into Ukraine to fight alongside Russians"
• Wagner mercenaries are likely to be used as "cannon fodder" to try to limit Russian military losses
• There are indications that Russian cyber attackers are "looking for targets" in the countries that oppose Moscow's actions

Ukraine live news: Putin's military chiefs 'too afraid to tell him truth'

The British intervention came as a US official also said accurate information about Russia's failures on the battlefield is not making its way to President Putin "because his senior advisers are too afraid to tell him the truth".

This included not letting him know his military was using conscripts in Ukraine, the official said.

Sir Jeremy made similar remarks in his speech at the Australian National University in Canberra.

"It increasingly looks like Putin has massively misjudged the situation" in Ukraine, he said.

He listed these missteps as misjudging the Ukrainian resistance, underestimating the strength of the Western response, underplaying the economic consequences, and over-estimating the abilities of his military to secure a quick victory.

Read more: The Ukraine invasion explained

"Even though we believe Putin's advisers are afraid to tell him the truth, what's going on and the extent of these misjudgements must be crystal clear to the regime," the GCHQ director said, calling the invasion a "strategic miscalculation".

GCHQ is the lead UK spy agency for cyber and other forms of communications intelligence.

Revealing details about the state of the Russian military operation, Sir Jeremy said: "We've seen Russian soldiers - short of weapons and morale - refusing to carry out orders, sabotaging their own equipment, and even accidentally shooting down their own aircraft."

GCHQ did not offer any further details, such as how many aircraft and whether it includes fast jets and attack helicopters.

But the information is understood to be based on intelligence.

The spy chief touched on the role of mercenaries and foreign fighters to augment the Russian side.

"Recently, we have seen that Wagner looks to be taking it up a gear," he said.

"They are looking at relocating forces from other conflicts and recruiting new fighters to bolster numbers. These soldiers are likely to be used as cannon fodder to try to limit Russian military losses."

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Read more: Zelenskyy offers Putin a way out of war - but will Russia's leader budge?

Cyber operations against Ukraine

Turning to the cyber dimension of Russia's invasion, Sir Jeremy said his agency never thought a catastrophic cyber attack was central to Moscow's use of cyber in a war.

Instead, he said there have been lots of cyber operations against Ukraine.

"And we've certainly seen indicators which suggests Russia's cyber actors are looking for targets in the countries that oppose their actions," he added.

He spoke about the position of Russia's ally China - the world's most powerful authoritarian state - on the Ukraine crisis.

Sir Jeremy noted that Moscow clearly views Beijing as a supplier of weapons and technology and a country that will buy its energy to reduce the economic damage of Western sanctions.

But the spy said Chinese President Xi Jinping's "calculus is more nuanced" - not publicly condemning the invasion, perhaps because it helps him oppose the US and because of any plans he may have regarding Taiwan.

"There are risks to them both (and more for China) in being too closely aligned," he said.

"Russia understands that long term, China will become increasingly strong militarily and economically. Some of their interests conflict; Russia could be squeezed out of the equation."

Speaking more broadly about global security, the GCHQ boss described the combination of a series of historic events - Russia's war in Ukraine; the COVID pandemic; the growing dominance of technology and cyber; the role of China; and the end of the US-led campaign in Afghanistan - as "a period of generational upheaval".

It is a time for Western, liberal democracies to "step up", finding new ways to collaborate and cooperate, the spy chief said, amid the challenge posed by authoritarian regimes.

He also stressed the need to be "persuasive and coherent" to stand a better chance of winning over countries that have not decided "which way they should jump".

"All of this change will take decades to resolve," he said. "But what I can be clear on now is that how we approach these challenges will be as important as what our response is."

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Rouble is back to 82 per dollar, so sanctions have failed to crush it. :)

It has to sting the Americans in particular that at least initially the Russians have managed to cope quite well. Right now there are stories circulating online about German and Spanish inflation and gas usage cutbacks.
 
Scott Ritter in a podcast I'm listening to:

"In the future books will be written about "The Great Deception of Kyiv" and it will be studied in military schools. The Russians had no intention of capturing Kyiv but the Ukranians and most of the west didn't know this until it was too late. The entire war, all of the pieces on the chess board are moving exactly how the Russians want them to move. The Ukranians are doing an amazing job with the situation they find themselves in but the Russians are fighting with 1 hand tied behind their backs. They are avoiding civilian casualties and if they took the gloves off from the outset like we did in Iraq then the Ukranians wouldnt have had the opportunity to mount any counter offensives. I can't predict what happens next but logic dictates that the forces in Mariupol will clean up and then join up in Donbas. Russians forces will encircle the UA in the South-East who will either be destroyed or surrender. Russian forces will then push up towards Kharkiv and probably force a surrender there too.

The Ukranians have no fuel reserves and supply lines are almost non-existent to the South Eastern forces, they really are at the mercy of the Russians because they cannot manuevre. The Western MSM is painting a completely different picture to the reality on the ground."

you do know who Scott Ritter is right?
 
Rouble is back to 82 per dollar, so sanctions have failed to crush it. :)

yes, its called currency speculation. partly resulting from development in the resolution of the conflict, which some speculators are assuming would translate into relaxed sanctions. There is more to a country's economy than just its exchange rate: there is the credit rating, the employment rate, the direct foreign investment, the growth of the manufacturing sector, the growth of the service sector, the local stock index, balance of payments, interest rates from the central bank, yield on bonds etc.
 
Russian looks like retreating from around Kyiv. Fierce fighting around Kharkiv.
 
yes, its called currency speculation. partly resulting from development in the resolution of the conflict, which some speculators are assuming would translate into relaxed sanctions. There is more to a country's economy than just its exchange rate: there is the credit rating, the employment rate, the direct foreign investment, the growth of the manufacturing sector, the growth of the service sector, the local stock index, balance of payments, interest rates from the central bank, yield on bonds etc.

You called it currency manipulation in this very thread, and now you call it it currency speculation cos your narrative has proven to be false.

Go teach FX to your pind plebeians. We in the West are way ahead of your explanations,

Rubel is now stronger than it was vs USD before the West imposed sanctions.
 
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It has to sting the Americans in particular that at least initially the Russians have managed to cope quite well. Right now there are stories circulating online about German and Spanish inflation and gas usage cutbacks.

The beginnings of the death of the USD and Globalisation have commenced.

I feel no pity towards the MSM sheep who think otherwise.
 
Fresh efforts are under way to evacuate civilians trapped by Russian forces in the Ukrainian city of Mariupol.

Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said a convoy of 45 Ukrainian buses was on its way to the besieged southern city.

She said the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) had confirmed that Russia had agreed to open a humanitarian corridor to Mariupol.

Tens of thousands of civilians remain there after weeks of bombardment.

Ms Vereshchuk also accused Russian troops of blocking the bus convoy at a checkpoint near Vasylivka, three hour's drive from Mariupol, earlier in the day.

"The Russian Federation, again, does not let our buses pass," she told Ukrainian news agency Unian.
The Russian defence ministry said the United Nations refugee agency and the Red Cross would assist in the evacuation of civilians.

The evacuation was initially planned for Thursday, but the Red Cross has since told Reuters that for logistical and security reasons, the evacuation will now happen on Friday.

It said a ceasefire would allow people to travel westwards to Zaporizhzhia via the Russian-controlled port of Berdyansk.

A spokesperson for the ICRC said its teams were ready to help get civilians out of Mariupol from Friday, but only if all parties agreed on the terms.

"It's desperately important that this operation takes place. The lives of tens of thousands of people in Mariupol depend on it," the spokesperson added.

The BBC has spoken to people who have managed to leave the besieged port city in the last few weeks.
All of them described a city in ruins, with entire districts completely flattened.

Diana Yalovets, a 23-year-old student, said: "As we tried to get out, we needed to cross the city centre. It was scary to see destroyed streets and buildings.

"My school was destroyed. It's painful to see your once beautiful city this way.

"Mariupol was a safe city. We loved to walk near the sea. There was a park, and it was an amazing place just to sit and talk. I just can't believe we lost everything we had."

Although some residents have escaped, all previous attempts to establish a ceasefire in Mariupol have collapsed amid accusations of bad faith from both sides.

Russia has also been accused of forcibly relocating thousands of civilians to Russia or Russian-controlled areas.

Capturing the city would give Russia control of the Azov Sea coastline between Russia and Crimea.

The announcement of a truce follows a telephone call on Tuesday between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his French counterpart, Emmanuel Macron.

During the conversation, Mr Putin said that shelling of Mariupol would not end until Ukrainian troops surrendered.

BBC
 
Ukraine has launched the first air raids on Russia since WW2

Yes apparently 3 low flying helicopters performed a coordinated and strategic strike. Although the videos only show 2. Why the Russians haven’t obliterated everything that can fly is beyond me. But this may be the push the Kremlin needed to allow their army and air forces to take the gloves off. They have been far too cautious so far and it might be hurting Ukraine but it’s hurting them too.
 
maybe because they cant? its all well and good saying they have 1500 aircraft etc, but i bet a lot of them just don't work.

It's like they vaunted 'hypersonic' missile use. Why on earth do they need to use them to destroy fuel depos in Ukraine? Unless they are running out of other missiles
 
maybe because they cant? its all well and good saying they have 1500 aircraft etc, but i bet a lot of them just don't work.

It's like they vaunted 'hypersonic' missile use. Why on earth do they need to use them to destroy fuel depos in Ukraine? Unless they are running out of other missiles

Even if only half of those aircraft are in service then that is a lot of them available. My guess is that Russians still haven't given their forces the ok to fire indiscriminately. The Ukranians and the west are prolonging the war and able to because the Russians are actually trying to avoid civilian casualties. The moment Putin let's his forces take the gloves off the surrender will come.

Think about this, the Russians have high altitude bombers which they have deliberately avoided using, they could use a couple of them and flatten entire cities.
 
War in Ukraine: Russia accuses Ukraine of attacking oil depot

An oil storage depot is on fire in a Russian city just north of Ukraine after what the local governor said was an attack by two Ukrainian helicopters.

A video shared on Twitter shows a blaze near apartment blocks in Belgorod, some 40km (25 miles) from the border.

Some clips appear to show rockets hitting the oil depot.

However, Ukrainian aircraft have not struck targets in Russia previously. Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov's claim was not confirmed by Ukrainian officials.

Belgorod, a city of 370,000, lies just north of Ukraine's second city Kharkiv, which has been heavily shelled by Russian artillery and remains surrounded by Russian forces.

Governor Gladkov said in a Telegram message "there was a fire at the oil depot because of an air strike carried out by two Ukrainian army helicopters, which entered Russian territory at low altitude". "Nobody was killed," he added.

He said emergency workers were trying to contain the fire as quickly as possible and that there was "no threat" to residents. The emergencies ministry posted video of the blaze on Telegram.

Interfax news agency reported that residents nearby were evacuated and two people were injured at the depot. It said eight fuel tanks were on fire and nearly 200 firefighters were on the scene. The depot is run by Russian state oil firm Rosneft.

On 29 March several explosions were reported at an ammunition depot near Belgorod.

Ukrainian helicopter pilots have plenty of experience of flying low and fast to avoid being detected by military radar and air defence systems.

But flying at night, well into Russian territory, to launch an attack on an enemy fuel depot would have required extraordinary bravery - as well as finely-honed flying skills.

Low-flying helicopters are still vulnerable to short-range air defence systems. Flying at night would have lessened that risk, but heightened the danger of hitting an object near the ground.

The Mi-24, or Hind helicopter, is known as the "flying tank". Its rockets would have been the weapon deployed to target the oil depot in Belgorod, Russia. If confirmed - and Ukraine is yet to claim responsibility for the attack - it would be the first known Ukrainian strike on Russian territory, bringing the war home to Russia.

This attack alone will not dramatically alter the battle. But it could show Ukraine has managed to keep its air force functioning, and give a huge boost to the morale of Ukraine's military.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60952125
 
Even if only half of those aircraft are in service then that is a lot of them available. My guess is that Russians still haven't given their forces the ok to fire indiscriminately. The Ukranians and the west are prolonging the war and able to because the Russians are actually trying to avoid civilian casualties. The moment Putin let's his forces take the gloves off the surrender will come.

Think about this, the Russians have high altitude bombers which they have deliberately avoided using, they could use a couple of them and flatten entire cities.

Their high altitude bombers would be cannon fodder unless they gained ultimate control of the skies, which it seems they just cant do.

Avoiding civilian casulties? They are flattening cities! Not miliraty targets, not government targets... civilian targets. New videos on the BBC actually showing Russian soldiers executing civilians near Kiev
 
LOL nobody picked up on that :)
Guess thats why US deputy NSA was warning India openly. More power to you guy!

And that deputy NSA has been told to take a hike. His remarks has received such negative press in India that the government doesn't even need to tell the US what the result is.

Speculation is that Russia has offered India oil at 60 to 70 usd a barrel.
 
Their high altitude bombers would be cannon fodder unless they gained ultimate control of the skies, which it seems they just cant do.

Avoiding civilian casulties? They are flattening cities! Not miliraty targets, not government targets... civilian targets. New videos on the BBC actually showing Russian soldiers executing civilians near Kiev

The BBC is propaganda of the highest order. Even though it is a fact that the Azov battallion have been hiding in civilian building and using them in Mariupol the BBC chooses to deny this.

I think the Russians have superiority because the American intelligence agencies said the Russians were performing 300 sorties per night compared to about 8-10 from the Ukranians. So they don't total dominance of the skies but they're not too far off it.
 
So Russia is winning the military war and now the economic war as well. They have most of Europe by the balls and these countries are facing absolute chaos. I was just doing some reading and it seems as if Putin can sink Germany if he wanted to that's how bad the situation is for Europe. What kind of an idiot decides to implement sanctions that end up hurting their own population? and what for? Putting your entire population in severe difficulty because your masters over in washington have asked you to?

Please read up on it and correct me if I'm wrong, but no other country or even combinations of countries can provide the gas the Germans and other Euro nations need as cheaply and as reliably. Therefore right now the Russian economy is doing ok and Europe is on the verge of a major recession with hyper inflation.
 
So Russia is winning the military war and now the economic war as well. They have most of Europe by the balls and these countries are facing absolute chaos. I was just doing some reading and it seems as if Putin can sink Germany if he wanted to that's how bad the situation is for Europe. What kind of an idiot decides to implement sanctions that end up hurting their own population? and what for? Putting your entire population in severe difficulty because your masters over in washington have asked you to?

Please read up on it and correct me if I'm wrong, but no other country or even combinations of countries can provide the gas the Germans and other Euro nations need as cheaply and as reliably. Therefore right now the Russian economy is doing ok and Europe is on the verge of a major recession with hyper inflation.

On what planet is their economy doing ok? They have artificially propped up the ruble buy using their cash reserves. It will last a few weeks at most. They still won't fully open their stock market up out of fear.

He hasn't turned the gas off BTW. His deadline has passed. Why? He needs the $$$. Russia will run out of $$$ long before europe runs out of cash. Norway have increased production. So has the US. This will push Europe away from Russia.

Allowing china and India to hoover it up at a discount
 
On what planet is their economy doing ok? They have artificially propped up the ruble buy using their cash reserves. It will last a few weeks at most. They still won't fully open their stock market up out of fear.

He hasn't turned the gas off BTW. His deadline has passed. Why? He needs the $$$. Russia will run out of $$$ long before europe runs out of cash. Norway have increased production. So has the US. This will push Europe away from Russia.

Allowing china and India to hoover it up at a discount

Stop mentioning USD, Russia does not need USD which is why Russia demanding payment in Rubles outside of SWIFT. If Russia doesn’t sell oil to the West it can sell oil to the East, such as your motherland India, and China, where demand tops the West. Let this sink in.

Russia is the 2nd largest exporter of oil after the ME, which is why your messiahs Biden and Boris went pleading to the ME - only to be snubbed. As a result the West has had to tap into their oil reserves.

Not to mention Russian Gold reserves, which USA is trying to forbid trade upon, but gold is globally accepted unlike paper trash currency.

Most of Europe has already issued warning on Oil/Gas supplies, with a possibility of rations.

Now, unless you live in the West, you have no skin in the game and are simply regurgitating the propaganda by WMSM.
 
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Most of Europe... u mean Germany and Austria?

Ha ha. I mean... so much utter rubbish spouted it's untrue. Yes I live in the west... that means I can have a balanced opinion.

I'm not anti Russian btw
 
Most of Europe... u mean Germany and Austria?

Ha ha. I mean... so much utter rubbish spouted it's untrue. Yes I live in the west... that means I can have a balanced opinion.

I'm not anti Russian btw

Wake up, we live in connected economy. UK also imports gas but only 5%, yet this will raise the prices. People here are looking to pay around £1 extra a year.

If the unfriendly nations dont pay in rubles or Gold, the lack of Gas will send the European economy in to a big downward trend.
 
Technics, the resident clown, using the same economic policies that Ishaq Dar, the fraud used in Pakistan. Ie burn reserves to prop up the currency. This only works till a small time then reality bites.

Europe is facing a crisis too but it will eventually recover, too big in terms of economic powers and not sanctioned.
 
Wake up, we live in connected economy. UK also imports gas but only 5%, yet this will raise the prices. People here are looking to pay around £1 extra a year.

If the unfriendly nations dont pay in rubles or Gold, the lack of Gas will send the European economy in to a big downward trend.

3 to 5%. Hardly earth shattering for the uk is it?

He hasn't cut the gas BTW...
 
Stop mentioning USD, Russia does not need USD which is why Russia demanding payment in Rubles outside of SWIFT. If Russia doesn’t sell oil to the West it can sell oil to the East, such as your motherland India, and China, where demand tops the West. Let this sink in.

Russia is the 2nd largest exporter of oil after the ME, which is why your messiahs Biden and Boris went pleading to the ME - only to be snubbed. As a result the West has had to tap into their oil reserves.

Not to mention Russian Gold reserves, which USA is trying to forbid trade upon, but gold is globally accepted unlike paper trash currency.

Most of Europe has already issued warning on Oil/Gas supplies, with a possibility of rations.

Now, unless you live in the West, you have no skin in the game and are simply regurgitating the propaganda by WMSM.

Germany has NO LNG terminals, these take years to build. The other method is large ships which carry and also can be used a 'terminal' but only 3 or 4 are available. Even if they did have this, US can only give Germany around 10% of what Russia gives, more expensive of course.

Germans will have to shut down factories and other businesses. Its obvious what this will lead too.
 
3 to 5%. Hardly earth shattering for the uk is it?

He hasn't cut the gas BTW...

Maybe not to you but we have elderly freezing because they cant afford the higher gas prices. This will only get worse.

Do you live in the UK? Money no longer grows on trees here.
 
Discounted oil and gas from Russia would have been a godsend gift even imported coal for powerplants .

Alongwith future wheat supplies due to impending future shortages.

But the 3 witches and the establishment have put an end to that .
 
If russia stops gas to Germany it will crush their industry in no time you will have factories shutting down and energy being rationed.

I think there is a chance this may happen in Europe , European leaders including UK are even thinking of load shedding, energy rationing and even rationing fuel and we thought they are first world countries
 
Maybe not to you but we have elderly freezing because they cant afford the higher gas prices. This will only get worse.

Do you live in the UK? Money no longer grows on trees here.

It's only a matter of time due you will have riots in Europe when Europeans really feel how their living standard erode and inflation continues to rise alongwith most people drowning in mortgages and credit card debts
 
It's only a matter of time due you will have riots in Europe when Europeans really feel how their living standard erode and inflation continues to rise alongwith most people drowning in mortgages and credit card debts

For sure.

Europeans are also very violent people, this often is hidden by calling themselves the civilised worrld etc.

Europe knows this too, which is why as in the case of the UK, new laws have recently been passed allowing police to ban any demonstration and stop any infomration.

There is no freedom of speech here anylonger. Tow the line or your will be dealt with.
 
The green lobby and lettuce eaters have been telling us we don't need fossil fuels

Nuclear and renewable are the answer, you don't need petrol you can have an electric car.

Only nuclear is expensive and takes time to construct and has toxic waste , they will also need to get cheap uranium by probably attacking some poor African nation like France has done in Africa looting minerals.

And renewables simply can't replace fossil fuels there will still be a shortage.

As for electrics again they are expensive RARE earth minerals and lithium not easy to get hold off and China has a monopoly on most of this
 
Most of Europe... u mean Germany and Austria?

Ha ha. I mean... so much utter rubbish spouted it's untrue. Yes I live in the west... that means I can have a balanced opinion.

I'm not anti Russian btw

Yes most of Europe. READ the MSM you preach.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/24/what-happens-if-russia-shuts-off-gas-supplies-to-europe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/58888451.amp

You do not have a balanced opinion, you've a warped bias western opinion, proven by the fact you think Russia only supplies gas/oil to Germany and Austria, which means you have an ignorant opinion.

You claim to live in the West, you must have moved to the west during Covid lockdown.

When is your Visa up for renewal?
 
And that deputy NSA has been told to take a hike. His remarks has received such negative press in India that the government doesn't even need to tell the US what the result is.

Speculation is that Russia has offered India oil at 60 to 70 usd a barrel.

If it goes through, India should pre-order for the next 2-3 years. Gives a massive competitive advantage.
 
Germany has NO LNG terminals, these take years to build. The other method is large ships which carry and also can be used a 'terminal' but only 3 or 4 are available. Even if they did have this, US can only give Germany around 10% of what Russia gives, more expensive of course.

Germans will have to shut down factories and other businesses. Its obvious what this will lead too.

To hell with Germany, the Nazis of the EU, a nation that tried to rule Europe and failed but only suceeded with the Euro and myth of EU We are lead to believe Nazism is extinct in Germany? No, it is rife.

Putin should turn off the taps in the same way the West turns off the taps with sanctions.

Wiemar Germany 2.0.
 
Maybe not to you but we have elderly freezing because they cant afford the higher gas prices. This will only get worse.

Do you live in the UK? Money no longer grows on trees here.

Here's how the MSM will spin it:

Energy prices up so elderly will suffer in the West.

Yemen is bombed indiscriminately, with the aid of Western weapons, in the name of freedom and democracy, sold to the highest bidder.

And no, he doesn't live in the UK, he wished he did.
 
So Russia is winning the military war and now the economic war as well. They have most of Europe by the balls and these countries are facing absolute chaos. I was just doing some reading and it seems as if Putin can sink Germany if he wanted to that's how bad the situation is for Europe. What kind of an idiot decides to implement sanctions that end up hurting their own population? and what for? Putting your entire population in severe difficulty because your masters over in washington have asked you to?

Please read up on it and correct me if I'm wrong, but no other country or even combinations of countries can provide the gas the Germans and other Euro nations need as cheaply and as reliably. Therefore right now the Russian economy is doing ok and Europe is on the verge of a major recession with hyper inflation.

The only reason the ruble rebounded back up was because the Russian central bank put up interest rates at 20%. That is unsustainable.
That’s why Putin got desperate and told Germany they have a deadline to pay gas in Rubles by Today.

If Germany caves then yes it will be a big turning point but they haven’t given any indication that they will so it’s premature to say the least they are winning this economic war when thr IMF predicts the Russian economy will implode by the end of the year.

Russia winning the millitary war ? Yeah maybe Russia today is saying that but no one else.
 
The green lobby and lettuce eaters have been telling us we don't need fossil fuels

Nuclear and renewable are the answer, you don't need petrol you can have an electric car.

Only nuclear is expensive and takes time to construct and has toxic waste , they will also need to get cheap uranium by probably attacking some poor African nation like France has done in Africa looting minerals.

And renewables simply can't replace fossil fuels there will still be a shortage.

As for electrics again they are expensive RARE earth minerals and lithium not easy to get hold off and China has a monopoly on most of this

Won’t pay high petrol prices but will buy 50K electric vehicles plus electricity charges.

You couldn’t make it up with the lettuce brigade.
 
The only reason the ruble rebounded back up was because the Russian central bank put up interest rates at 20%. That is unsustainable.
That’s why Putin got desperate and told Germany they have a deadline to pay gas in Rubles by Today.

If Germany caves then yes it will be a big turning point but they haven’t given any indication that they will so it’s premature to say the least they are winning this economic war when thr IMF predicts the Russian economy will implode by the end of the year.

Russia winning the millitary war ? Yeah maybe Russia today is saying that but no one else.

Wrong.

0% rates are unsustainable which is why you have the West bricking it over a 0.25% rise cos the West is drowning in debt. Meanwhile Russia has the LOWEST debt to GDP ratio in all the West.

Moreover, Russia has Gold reserves.

Plus Russia has an obscene amount of natural resources and precious metals.

Understand the economics.
 
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Oh did I mention that India and China are looking to trade with Russia in Rubles outside of SWIFT? Yup, it’s true. Google it.

USD homogeneous trade is now in decline.
 
Wrong.

0% rates are unsustainable which is why you have the West bricking it over a 0.25% rise cos the West is drowning in debt. Meanwhile Russia has the LOWEST debt to GDP ratio in all the West.

Moreover, Russia has Gold reserves.

Plus Russia has an obscene amount of natural resources and precious metals.

Understand the economics.

Lmao, do you think 20% is sustainable ? How on earth are people and businesses going to burrow money at those rates in Russia ?

The Russian economy is still on course to crash at the end of the year but who knows maybe Putin will see the writing on the wall sooner rather than later regarding his failed millitary conquest. But probably not.
 
Great article by Paul Craig Roberts - here is an excerpt:


Just as everything you were told about Covid by the media and health and government officials was false, so is everything you have been told by the same propagandistic liars about Ukraine. Americans have had nothing but lies since the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, of his brother, US Senator Robert Kennedy President-in-Waiting, Martin Luther King, the Vietnam war, 9/11, Saddam Hussian’s nonexistent “weapons of mass destruction,” Assad’s “use of chemical weapons,” Iranian nukes, the extraordinary lies about Kaddafi, Covid pandemic, Russian invasions. The entire Western World lives in The Mattrix, a world created by propaganda. The vast majority of people in the West have no idea of the reality in which they live. This makes them impotent and completely unable to protect their freedom. They are sitting ducks for tyranny which is fast enclosing around them.

Take the Ukraine narrative, for example. The story as presented to the public by the Western media has no relationship to reality. The Ukraine narrative has collapsed as completely as the Covid narrative. There will be no going back to it. The narrative will simply be dropped as the next crisis–inflation perhaps or a newly released pathogen–takes the front page.


https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/04/01/ukrainian-update-9/


There was never a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russian military focus was on the Donbass region in east and south Ukraine. Inhabited by Russians and part of Russia herself until Soviet leaders transferred it, like Crimea, into Ukraine for their reasons. When the US overthrew the democratically elected Ukrainian government in 2014 and took control over Ukraine, the Crimean and Donbass Russians voted overwhelmingly to be reunited with Russia. The Kremlin accepted Crimea but not Donbass.

This was a strategic blunder demonstrating a lack of awareness on the part of the Russian government. Immediately the neo-Nazi remnants in west Ukraine, whose forebears had fought for Hitler against Russia in WW II, began abusing the Russian population in the Donbass region in the east. The American puppet government in Kiev followed up by banning the use of the Russian language.

To protect themselves, the Donbass Russians declared their independence in the form of two republics, the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics. Ukrainian troops and neo-Nazi militias began attacking these “breakaway republics.” They have been shelling with artillery Donbass villages, towns, and cities for 8 years, killing thousands of civilians, and the Ukrainian forces, although twice defeated by hastily assembled forces in the Donbass, managed to gain control over large areas of the breakaway republics.

It was the deployment of a 100,000 or more Ukrainian force on the shrunken borders of Donbass for an invasion to reconquer the territory that provoked the Russian intervention. Washington’s refusal to give the Kremlin a security guarantee was a second reason for the Russian military intervention. Russia told Washington in completely clear language that Russia would not permit Ukraine to be a member of NATO. Nevertheless, Washington persisted in its provocation.

Most of Russia’s military intervention in Ukraine is focused on clearing Ukrainian and neo-Nazi forces out of Donbass. This is the reason for Putin’s go-slow war that rules out heavy weapons use on civilian areas.

The civilians are Russians, and, as Putin said, “we went in to liberate these people, not to kill them.”

The West’s media whores and government officials misrepresent the Russians’ intention of avoiding the death of Russian civilians as a sign of a “stalled Russian invasion,” as CNN and the NPR whores proclaim. Some of the Western media whores go even further and say it is a “Russian defeat.”

If there is a Russian defeat, it will happen in negotiations, not on the battlefield. Russians are too trusting to be negotiators and never do well.

The battle field has a higher standard of performance. Before any Russian troops entered Donbass, the Ukrainian military infrastructure, air force, and navy were completely destroyed. The Ukrainian army is incapable of action. It has no communication, no air cover, and is cut off from supplies.

Russia’s reason for the peace negotiations is to avoid destroying the Ukrainian troops that the neo-Nazi commissars require to fight to the last man. Russia doesn’t seem to understand that they are negotiating with a “government” that is not in control of anything.

The Russians have deployed 200,000 troops against Ukraine’s 600,000 soldiers trained and armed by the US and UK. The Ukrainian army, which outnumbered the Russians 3 to 1, was destroyed as a fighting force even quicker than the Russians destroyed the US and Israeli armed and trained Georgian army that invaded South Ossetia in August, 2008.
 
On what planet is their economy doing ok? They have artificially propped up the ruble buy using their cash reserves. It will last a few weeks at most. They still won't fully open their stock market up out of fear.

He hasn't turned the gas off BTW. His deadline has passed. Why? He needs the $$$. Russia will run out of $$$ long before europe runs out of cash. Norway have increased production. So has the US. This will push Europe away from Russia.

Allowing china and India to hoover it up at a discount

All western nations have artificially propped up their currencies.

Russian double from 9.5 to 20%, and absolutley fine, maybe you didn’t live through the 70s/80s in the West when rates were this high. Meanwhile the West went from 0 to 0.25% and helplines are open to cope with debt.

I never said Russia has turned off the gas, I said Russia should shut taps to the West.

Yes allowing India and China to hoover up in Rubles, therefore increasing crculation of the Ruble, thus propping it up.

You are LYING. Amreeka has not increased production of oil, but has released oil reserves.

Are you even reading? Why bother. Go read up on basic economics.
 
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Some reports are suggesting France will pay for Gas in Rubles but nothing official yet.

Only a stupid nation would self harm for a war which wasnt needed in the first place.
 
Some reports are suggesting France will pay for Gas in Rubles but nothing official yet.

Only a stupid nation would self harm for a war which wasnt needed in the first place.

There are a lot of stupid nations sadly. So many followed their masters with those pointless sanctions.
 
Maybe not to you but we have elderly freezing because they cant afford the higher gas prices. This will only get worse.

Do you live in the UK? Money no longer grows on trees here.

yeah i live in the uk. My bill has gone about £35 this month. After the help from the government, it means it hasn't really. I understand some people will be in trouble though.

It wont get to old people freezing, if it did the country would vote Labour in if the Tories didn't do something.

See, we can do that in a democracy.
 
Some reports are suggesting France will pay for Gas in Rubles but nothing official yet.

Only a stupid nation would self harm for a war which wasnt needed in the first place.

i don't think they will, they'll pay Euros to gazprom bank (the russian bank NOT sanctioned), and theyll transfer into Roubles
 
what has that got to do with anything? a riot because a police man shot a black person.
BTW they only lasted 5 days

lol only 5 days. The destruction was immense, highly embarrasing too. The point is Brits are very capable of rioting. If they can over one man, what will happen if they go hungry?

yeah i live in the uk. My bill has gone about £35 this month. After the help from the government, it means it hasn't really. I understand some people will be in trouble though.

It wont get to old people freezing, if it did the country would vote Labour in if the Tories didn't do something.

See, we can do that in a democracy.

i don't think they will, they'll pay Euros to gazprom bank (the russian bank NOT sanctioned), and theyll transfer into Roubles

Old people have been freezing to death for years in the UK.

It will be upto Russia. I assume Russia is working on a plan to sell elsewhere but Germany is preparing for the worst case scenario of gas being cut off. Lets see what happens next.
 
News that Ukraine has retaken entire Kyiv region as Russians retreated. West will funnel more weapons in now I think
 
News that Ukraine has retaken entire Kyiv region as Russians retreated. West will funnel more weapons in now I think

These proxy wars must cost a pretty penny. We might not be losing lives, but providing weapons to proxies isn't a cheap business. I hope ultimately the payoff will be worth it. From what I know, Russians are probably more comfortable with sparse living than we are.
 
War in Ukraine: Johnson congratulates Volodymyr Zelensky over Kyiv push back

Boris Johnson has congratulated Volodymyr Zelensky on the successful push back of Russian forces from Kyiv.

Speaking with Ukraine's president, the UK prime minister also acknowledged the "immense suffering being inflicted on civilians", Downing Street said.
Ukraine says its military has retaken the entire region around the capital, as Russia has withdrawn from key towns.

Mr Johnson also updated Mr Zelensky on a recent military donor conference convened by the UK with 35 countries.

Speaking over the phone with the prime minister, the Ukrainian president gave an update on the steps towards peace negotiations and welcomed "further UK involvement in these diplomatic efforts", Downing Street said.

Among the areas abandoned by Russia around the capital is Hostomel airport, as well as key battleground towns around the capital of Irpin and Bucha.

As Moscow's forces retreat, evidence of civilian killings is mounting. In Bucha, a street has been found with at least 20 dead bodies of men in civilian clothes.

A Downing Street spokesperson said Mr Johnson "congratulated Ukraine's brave armed forces" for their success in pushing back the Russian army in some areas.

Both leaders agreed on the importance of "continuing to ratchet up sanctions to increase the economic pressure" on Russian president Vladimir Putin, as long as Russian troops remained on Ukrainian territory.

Mr Johnson also updated Mr Zelensky on the progress made at a military donor conference and "committed to continue to step up defensive support", the spokesperson added.

Writing on Twitter, Mr Zelensky described the UK as a "powerful ally" and added: "We look forward to the donors' conference for Ukraine."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60970114
 
News that Ukraine has retaken entire Kyiv region as Russians retreated. West will funnel more weapons in now I think

As the Russian forces have started retreating the horrific war crimes being committed by them has become apparent as well.
The videos are all over twitter and they are absolutely horrific, civilians have been shot dead and burnt alive in their vehicles for no reason. The Russians knew they were civilians but just killed them for fun or wanted to send a message. There is one report of 280 civilians being found in a mass grave in the town of Bucha, just northwest of Kyiv.

The west were already sending weapons after the 2014 invasion but they were mainly defensive weapons but you can bet they will flood the country with heavy offensive weapons as well - another miscalculation by Putin.
 
Poor Captain Saab, all he wants is the petrol price to go down 10p a litre. Too bad he doesn’t care about anything else other than adding his dry humour to the conversation to make himself look relevant.
 
As the Russian forces have started retreating the horrific war crimes being committed by them has become apparent as well.
The videos are all over twitter and they are absolutely horrific, civilians have been shot dead and burnt alive in their vehicles for no reason. The Russians knew they were civilians but just killed them for fun or wanted to send a message. There is one report of 280 civilians being found in a mass grave in the town of Bucha, just northwest of Kyiv.

The west were already sending weapons after the 2014 invasion but they were mainly defensive weapons but you can bet they will flood the country with heavy offensive weapons as well - another miscalculation by Putin.

The first casualty of war is the truth.

Based on what I have seen so far from the Ukranian forces, particularly how the treated the PoW and the way the far right units have behaved with civilians in the south, using them as human shields. I refuse to believe the Russians committed these attrocities until there is actual proof.
 
These proxy wars must cost a pretty penny. We might not be losing lives, but providing weapons to proxies isn't a cheap business. I hope ultimately the payoff will be worth it. From what I know, Russians are probably more comfortable with sparse living than we are.

Have you seen the videos on social media where the Chechens have captures a lot of these western weapons? I've seen them picking up Javelins, NLAWs and AT4s. The other question is how would they get these weapons over to the east where the actual fighting it happening. If you do move Russian surveillance will pick it up and blow it up.
 
What’s this talk about Russia apparently withdrawing from Kyiv? This would strike me as a significant military defeat, if indeed it is true.
 
The first casualty of war is the truth.

Based on what I have seen so far from the Ukranian forces, particularly how the treated the PoW and the way the far right units have behaved with civilians in the south, using them as human shields. I refuse to believe the Russians committed these attrocities until there is actual proof.

Ok you can then stick your head in the sand and believe whatever you like then.

But I have some news for you, Russia Today (known as RT) isn’t going to admit any of the war crimes they have committed if that is all you are watching.
The videos and photographs are clear as day they could only have been committed only by the country occupying and retreating from those areas.
 
What’s this talk about Russia apparently withdrawing from Kyiv? This would strike me as a significant military defeat, if indeed it is true.

Already done, its back in Ukrainian hands. Chernobyl also back in Ukrainian hands.

Looks like the Russians will throw everything at the East and South now, as Odessa is under attack today. Once that's done I think they will go back at Ukraine proper again, I can't see Putin living this humiliating retreat down.
 
What’s this talk about Russia apparently withdrawing from Kyiv? This would strike me as a significant military defeat, if indeed it is true.

For Ukraine and the west: Russia are retreating and Ukraine are retaking areas.

For Russia and most military experts: Russia never had any intention of taking Kyiv, they couldn't with the forces deplpoyed.

I had been reading and watching quite a lot to do with military tactics and what the Russians have done here is manuevre the superior Ukranian forces to gain military advantage. Russia has 200k troops for this operation. The Ukranians have over 600k, that's a 1/3 ratio.

Anyone who thinks the Russians were defeated at Kyiv doesn't have any idea about warfare. I didn't either, but now I understand what the Russians did, I have to say it was almost like they were playing 4d chess whilst the enemy was playing checkers.

By fixing the Ukranian troops in and around Kyiv, the Russians have systematically gained territory where it matter the most. They have a land corridor between Crimea and Russia now, they have used their air force to all but wipe out all Ukranian military infrastructure and now that Mariupol is also taken with those re-enforcements they can complete the encirclement of the troops in the south east and annihalate them.

If you want a realistic view of what is happening in this conflict, BBC and CNN or RT news are not the place to do. Independent analysts with a military background know this stuff.
 
Already done, its back in Ukrainian hands. Chernobyl also back in Ukrainian hands.

Looks like the Russians will throw everything at the East and South now, as Odessa is under attack today. Once that's done I think they will go back at Ukraine proper again, I can't see Putin living this humiliating retreat down.

To call it a humiliating retreat is to not have any understanding about manuevre warfare. The Russians are running circles around Ukraine with a force of 200k. The next phase will be bloody and horrible and the result will be Ukraine's army in the South East will be obliterated.
 
The videos and photographs are clear as day they could only have been committed only by the country occupying and retreating from those areas.

I don't watch RT, it's blocked in the UK...

As for the videos and photographs being committed by one country only. I agree, the only country who is committing those crimes are the ones who are winning the information war in the west. I mean could it be any more obvious how desperate the Ukranians are getting to try and win sympathy and more support.

I like the Russian policy, they can't win the information war so they'll win the one that matters. Which they are doing handsomely with 200k forces up against 600k+
 
lol So many think the BBC is the gospel . West has been lying through its teeth from day 1 .

Ukraine retaken Kyiv :)))

Russia never had intended to capture the city . Ukraine was defeated weeks ago .
 
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