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Russia invades Ukraine

bones said:
I agree the frontline and the territory they're fighting is huge against a pretty modern and very large army. The problem is Putin and the Russian leadership don't want to mobilise, but the behaviour of the west is almost pushing them into it.
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I think this is where its headed. I am surprised Russians have held the front with less than 100,000 men, in a lot of places on the frontline with either parity or being outnumbered. But with more weapons pouring in I think they either need to significantly boost their numbers or mobilise the entire army with regular soldiers (at which point I don't see Ukraine lasting more than a month). As the Ukrainians will make more pushes.

Something will have to give, with October and energy bills coming through and the average joe being crippled with bills, either the West will stop giving Ukraine weapons (which I don't see happening) or sanctions will have to be less imposing, which would negate any weapons they give to Ukraine.
 
bones said:
Now do the same for the Ukranians...

I'll be waiting.
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You have absolutely no evidence on ukranian numbers apart from Russian telegram channels, you dismissed the Russian deaths as nonsense. Now we have Russian government proof... The numbers are almost exact to ukranian intel.
 
Pakpak said:
I think this is where its headed. I am surprised Russians have held the front with less than 100,000 men, in a lot of places on the frontline with either parity or being outnumbered. But with more weapons pouring in I think they either need to significantly boost their numbers or mobilise the entire army with regular soldiers (at which point I don't see Ukraine lasting more than a month). As the Ukrainians will make more pushes.

Something will have to give, with October and energy bills coming through and the average joe being crippled with bills, either the West will stop giving Ukraine weapons (which I don't see happening) or sanctions will have to be less imposing, which would negate any weapons they give to Ukraine.
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Hows Russian going to arm it's mobilization? How does Putin sell it? How does he tell his people their country is fighting for its existence from Ukraine?..

He can't. Mobilization won't work.

How are people being crippled come October? They aren't going up
 
Jesus, sounds like absolute carnage in the east. Rumours up 10k Russians have surrendered in the last few hours
 
cpleigh said:
Over 600km from the east to Kyiv.... A random guy on twitter with an Indian flag in his bio... Absolutely no evidence it's from today.

Highly unlikely they are from the Eastern front.
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Where else are they from and even this is fake, we saw the same kind of footage which has since been confirmed in Mykolaiv and odessa.

Just for one moment put aside your propaganda and answer the question, if the Russians are getting destroyed so much near Izyum and Kharkov, why did they leave every single bridge standing?
 
That could have been from a missile attack earlier in the war.

Oh... They haven't left the bridges they've destroyed one. Maybe... Just maybe... The Russians have no appetite to fight a war they don't believe in?..

You are living in pure fantasy land if u think Russia isn't getting pummeled there. Even Russian state media is reporting it
 
cpleigh said:
That could have been from a missile attack earlier in the war.

Oh... They haven't left the bridges they've destroyed one. Maybe... Just maybe... The Russians have no appetite to fight a war they don't believe in?..

You are living in pure fantasy land if u think Russia isn't getting pummeled there. Even Russian state media is reporting it
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Russia who have air superiority, artillery dominance and more stable logistical lines (look at any map) took several weeks to capture fortified positions like Popasnaya, Severodonestk, mariupol etc. Yet the Ukrainians capture more than 150sqkm in 3 days and you think this is all because of the mighty Ukrainian army and the incompetent Russian army?

I'm sure you believe what you type. You never respond with sources and you never acknowledge mine, even those that are pro Ukrainian so how can anyone take you seriously?
 
The Russians withdrew from several positions near the Izyum front, they were outnumbered by weapons and men in this area. Over the last 48 hours the Russians have sent huge reserves, massive convoys straight to the front.

I'm going to hazard a guess that by this time next month most of the area captured by Ukraine will be back in Russian hands.

Cpleigh kept saying and keeps saying that the Ukrainians have mounted a successful counter offensive in kherson but where are the sources to back it up? When I present maps he argues that it's fiction.
 
The russians have been caught with their pants down.

Ukraine set them up by feigning a counter offensive in kherson and then literally springing a total surprise and attacking kharkiv and izyum front routing the russians.

What a humiliation this is .

This war has gone all pear shaped the only way the russians can now salvage this is buy using tactical nukes or massive ordnance bombs like the foab that literally wipe out everything in a 300 m radius .
 
bones said:
Russia who have air superiority, artillery dominance and more stable logistical lines (look at any map) took several weeks to capture fortified positions like Popasnaya, Severodonestk, mariupol etc. Yet the Ukrainians capture more than 150sqkm in 3 days and you think this is all because of the mighty Ukrainian army and the incompetent Russian army?

I'm sure you believe what you type. You never respond with sources and you never acknowledge mine, even those that are pro Ukrainian so how can anyone take you seriously?
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You're embarrassing yourself now.

So this is another tactical retreat?...
 
cpleigh said:
some lovely videos about of libertaing areas with old woman crying etc and hugging Ukranian troops.

Lol @ people thinking they wanted to be under Russian rule
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What is fascinating is that the civilians welcoming the advancing Ukrainian troops are the same Russian-speakers whom Russia pretend to be liberating.
 
bones said:
Doesn't look good for Ukraine though does it?

https://twitter.com/aryan_warlord/status/1568320921743818754?s=46&t=GFPR9v8z3mEkrzVuL1UKWw
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[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION]

You never quite know what is going to happen in war.

If Argentina had sunk a British carrier the 1982 Falklands War would have had a different outcome.

We have known since the Chechen Wars that the Russian conventional forces are a semi-trained, unmotivated rabble and we have known since Aleppo that they only “win” by flattening opposing towns to rubble.

What we didn’t know until now was whether the Ukrainians were just a smaller version of Russia, using the same Soviet Era weapons, or whether they have modernised their forces since losing Crimea in 2014.

I’m being honest: it was only yesterday that I realised that Russia is going to lose totally - even Crimea and Donbas.

But now that the Russians are fleeing and deserting en masse, you don’t need to defend them. They actually don’t deserve your defence.
 
cpleigh said:
You're embarrassing yourself now.

So this is another tactical retreat?...
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Why is it you never answer the questions? Why is it that you never respond with sources? Why is it you always claim victory using the same parameters for one side and not the other?

I'll give you some examples of the ridiculous claims by you and junaids.

'Russia will lose around Kherson because the bridges have been destroyed'
- The bridges are still standing and usable even if damaged, remember MLRS ammunition is hitting them not 1 ton bombs

'Ukraine have captured huge territory in the kherson counter offensive'
- Every single independent source and map shows no gains. I recall a week ago that I asked for the names of settlements captured or some recognised sources and you gave none.

'Russia is running out of x/y/z and the Ukrainians are hitting depos'
- the Russians are not running out of any weapons or ammunition anytime soon. I even provided an article written by the British Royal Institute for war studies that explained that the Russians started military industrial production a long time ago. You and junaids deliberately ignored it, maybe because you didn't like the content
- you never mentioned once the number of depos destroyed by the Russians. 1 depo destroyed by Ukraine according to you guys is a major victory but 5 destroyed by Russians is not even mentioned

'Russia have been unable to gain territory in the Donbas since x/y date, they are struggling/losing'
- I find this one perhaps the most laughable because you and junaids never mention the manpower mismatch of the defensive fortifications built by NATO trained units since 2014 in the area
- with just 200k the Russians have less than a third of the men Ukraine have in this conflict but they are fighting a front line over 1000km, this means that they can't perform big sweeping moves like we saw during battles in WW1/2
- these fortifications are in the forms of steel and concrete bunkers, tower buildings and underground basements, it takes time with limited forces to sweep these territories

'Russia were humiliated in Kyiv, they failed to take Kyiv in the first few days'
- I asked many times for sources that said the Russians explicitly claimed kyiv would be taken in a few days, you gave none
- I asked how many times in history army of 40k was enough to take a city of 3 million, you gave none
- I said that if you guys are confident that Russians are behind schedule or failing with their plans, why not share them with us. In fact if you have the Russian plans and timetables please share with the rest of us so we can assess as well.

I could go on and on because you guys have no idea about any aspect of the conflict.
 
Junaids said:
I’m being honest: it was only yesterday that I realised that Russia is going to lose totally - even Crimea and Donbas.

But now that the Russians are fleeing and deserting en masse, you don’t need to defend them. They actually don’t deserve your defence.
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You have been claiming crimea and Donbas would be recaptured for weeks. I asked you how they would take Kherson first. You gave the usual armchair response not considering the geography, logistics and reconnaissance etc.

As usual you mention Russian defeated soldiers but ignore those of Ukraine. I keep asking you guys that if things are going so well for Ukraine why the 8 waves of mobilisation? Why a force of 1 million to fight just 200k Russians? The numbers don't add up to back your claims.
 
Junaids said:
[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION]

You never quite know what is going to happen in war.

If Argentina had sunk a British carrier the 1982 Falklands War would have had a different outcome.

We have known since the Chechen Wars that the Russian conventional forces are a semi-trained, unmotivated rabble and we have known since Aleppo that they only “win” by flattening opposing towns to rubble.

What we didn’t know until now was whether the Ukrainians were just a smaller version of Russia, using the same Soviet Era weapons, or whether they have modernised their forces since losing Crimea in 2014.

I’m being honest: it was only yesterday that I realised that Russia is going to lose totally - even Crimea and Donbas.

But now that the Russians are fleeing and deserting en masse, you don’t need to defend them. They actually don’t deserve your defence.
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I agree about the clearly demonstrated incompetence of much of the Russian army. I was gobsmacked that Ukraine was able to stop their advance, expecting Ukraine to be rolled over.

The professional soldiers of the NATO member democracies must be encouraged by Russia’s poor performance. Any Russian incursion into a NATO state will be pushed back in short order, and Putin will know this. He should go back to alternative warfare where he excels, influencing elections and destabilising opponents with social media propaganda, as his forces are not up to his imperial ambitions.

I don’t think Ukraine is getting Donbas and Crimea back, however.
 
Robert said:
I agree about the clearly demonstrated incompetence of much of the Russian army. I was gobsmacked that Ukraine was able to stop their advance, expecting Ukraine to be rolled over.

The professional soldiers of the NATO member democracies must be encouraged by Russia’s poor performance. Any Russian incursion into a NATO state will be pushed back in short order, and Putin will know this. He should go back to alternative warfare where he excels, influencing elections and destabilising opponents with social media propaganda, as his forces are not up to his imperial ambitions.

I don’t think Ukraine is getting Donbas and Crimea back, however.
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Here is another guy who doesn't bother to do any research or even read the articles I shared. You all have fallen for Ukrainian and MSM propaganda.

Get it through your systems, the Russians have deployed 200k soldiers for an operation against 700k across a >1000km frontline. That just over 3 football stadium worth of people to take so far an area the size of England + Wales. To understand what is happening in Ukraine you really need to start here.

Larry Johnson, former American Intel analyst said it best when he said this was one well trained army up against another NATO trained army with 8 years to dig in. But the overwhelming firepower would always tip this in Russia's favour.

Col Douglas MacGregor former advisor said in a recent podcast the Russians have avoided civil infrastructure, that is why the average Ukrainian in Lviv, Kharkov and Kyiv for example still have water, food, gas, Internet, electricity, railroad etc. If America waged in a similar conflict those key things would have been taken out in the first 24 hours. This is a former American commander and not some armchair expert like junaids.
 
One point almost every analyst is agreed on is that because the west have no intention to negotiate. Either winter suffering in Europe (gss/heating) will force them to negotiate depending on how the public react or The Russians will have to mobilise and perhaps double the forces in Ukraine.
 
bones said:
Here is another guy who doesn't bother to do any research or even read the articles I shared. You all have fallen for Ukrainian and MSM propaganda.

Get it through your systems, the Russians have deployed 200k soldiers for an operation against 700k across a >1000km frontline. That just over 3 football stadium worth of people to take so far an area the size of England + Wales. To understand what is happening in Ukraine you really need to start here.

Larry Johnson, former American Intel analyst said it best when he said this was one well trained army up against another NATO trained army with 8 years to dig in. But the overwhelming firepower would always tip this in Russia's favour.

Col Douglas MacGregor former advisor said in a recent podcast the Russians have avoided civil infrastructure, that is why the average Ukrainian in Lviv, Kharkov and Kyiv for example still have water, food, gas, Internet, electricity, railroad etc. If America waged in a similar conflict those key things would have been taken out in the first 24 hours. This is a former American commander and not some armchair expert like junaids.
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Can you quote a non Russian source on this?
 
Russian telegram channels confirmed Izyum has fallen.

Maybe u should proof read your Russian opinion pieces before posting
 
bones said:
One point almost every analyst is agreed on is that because the west have no intention to negotiate. Either winter suffering in Europe (gss/heating) will force them to negotiate depending on how the public react or The Russians will have to mobilise and perhaps double the forces in Ukraine.
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How are they arming the mobilization? How will the pay them? How on earth can the Russian economy cope with turning it over to a war time effort?

It can't and it's why they haven't done it
 
cpleigh said:
Russian telegram channels confirmed Izyum has fallen.

Maybe u should proof read your Russian opinion pieces before posting
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Source - always back your statements up with sources even if it's social media.

Those "opinion pieces" actually go into great detail about the low level tactics. Something you never bother with.
 
cpleigh said:
How are they arming the mobilization? How will the pay them? How on earth can the Russian economy cope with turning it over to a war time effort?

It can't and it's why they haven't done it
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Arming the mobilisation isn't an issue - please read this article:

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

As far as the Russian economoy not being able to afford it - lol. Perhaps you should spend some time on the Economist and Financial Times, these two sources might be pro-western, but they can't lie to their readers otherwise they'd lose them. The Russians are doing much better economically right now than many if not all European countries. Just look at where the Ruble is trading:

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=1M
 
That piece doesn't answer any of the questions I asked. Russia is now begging North Korea for supplies. How can it arm extra people?

How does it tell it's population they are now at war after a 3 day special operation?

He has now cut off its main income supply. After the initial shock, Russia has lost its main customers for gas and oil. Never to return
 
Further updates from social media, this is pro-Russian:

"Today and the next few days we will not receive the most joyful news, and crests will dump gigabytes of photos and videos from the settlements we left behind. Kupyansk has been abandoned and, in fact, we cannot hold out on the right bank of the Oskol River now. I will say this, the decision to withdraw our troops is a military necessity that has prevailed over political expediency, and we must pay tribute to the fact that he who gave the order to withdraw showed courage."

The mood of the Russians on social media is very downbeat. The success of the counter offensive has shocked most of them. The Ukranians have utilised their huge numerical advantage and made fast moves and quite deep quickly.

However the military analysts are all pretty calm about it - almost like they expected this, so let's give it a few days to see what is actually happening.
 
cpleigh said:
Literally the next article underneath a day later

'wrstern sanctions will eventually impair the Russian economy'
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Perhaps, but isn't it a miracle in itself the western MSM published an article that didn't tell their audiences Russia was 100% losing on all fronts?
 
bones said:
Perhaps, but isn't it a miracle in itself the western MSM published an article that didn't tell their audiences Russia was 100% losing on all fronts?
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Why's it a miracle? The western MSM as u call them is free to print any opinion it wants.
 
bones said:
Further updates from social media, this is pro-Russian:

"Today and the next few days we will not receive the most joyful news, and crests will dump gigabytes of photos and videos from the settlements we left behind. Kupyansk has been abandoned and, in fact, we cannot hold out on the right bank of the Oskol River now. I will say this, the decision to withdraw our troops is a military necessity that has prevailed over political expediency, and we must pay tribute to the fact that he who gave the order to withdraw showed courage."

The mood of the Russians on social media is very downbeat. The success of the counter offensive has shocked most of them. The Ukranians have utilised their huge numerical advantage and made fast moves and quite deep quickly.

However the military analysts are all pretty calm about it - almost like they expected this, so let's give it a few days to see what is actually happening.
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They expected to lose their 2 main supply hubs in Ukraine in 72 hours???

Who's the analyst... Chemical Ali?
 
cpleigh said:
How are they arming the mobilization? How will the pay them? How on earth can the Russian economy cope with turning it over to a war time effort?

It can't and it's why they haven't done it
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Putin can’t fully mobilise, because then he would have to drop the fiction that Russia is at war and he will be overthrown.
 
Robert said:
Putin can’t fully mobilise, because then he would have to drop the fiction that Russia is at war and he will be overthrown.
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His war and he himself is too popular to be overthrown. In Jan/Feb this year there may have been a chance at a regime change. But not now, please listen to some Russian channels and you'll see that the anti-Russian actions taken by the west in their minds has proven what Putin and Lavrov have been saying for years, the west hates us.

Actions like destroying Russian/Soviet monuments. Blocking Russian foreign reserves off. Blocking or restricting travel for Russian civilians just to name a few. Well if they weren't on Putin's side before, these actions have made them pro-Putin and pro-war. If you don't believe me - please watch some youtube channels on this topic.
 
Putin : To express our grief for the loss of the Queen, we will turn off all lights in Europe as a mark of respect.

:)
 
Just one extension to my previous post about general opinion in Russia. I watched a video on Youtube in May/June and they were asking some common folk. One of the guys was saying that he didn't like Putin and he didn't really see a threat from the west or a need for the war. But him being a classical music fan became aware that certain western orchestras announced they would stop playing all Russian/Soviet music. He said that's when he realised what his government was saying was true - the west has a deep underlying hatred for not just Putin but for all Russia. He just couldn't understand and neither can I, why would you do something like that.
 
bones said:
Just one extension to my previous post about general opinion in Russia. I watched a video on Youtube in May/June and they were asking some common folk. One of the guys was saying that he didn't like Putin and he didn't really see a threat from the west or a need for the war. But him being a classical music fan became aware that certain western orchestras announced they would stop playing all Russian/Soviet music. He said that's when he realised what his government was saying was true - the west has a deep underlying hatred for not just Putin but for all Russia. He just couldn't understand and neither can I, why would you do something like that.
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The West only has two weapons it dare use, sanctions, and cancel culture.
 
bones said:
Just one extension to my previous post about general opinion in Russia. I watched a video on Youtube in May/June and they were asking some common folk. One of the guys was saying that he didn't like Putin and he didn't really see a threat from the west or a need for the war. But him being a classical music fan became aware that certain western orchestras announced they would stop playing all Russian/Soviet music. He said that's when he realised what his government was saying was true - the west has a deep underlying hatred for not just Putin but for all Russia. He just couldn't understand and neither can I, why would you do something like that.
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Sadly constant propogranda has brainwashed them. Tchaikovsky is regularly voted the number 1 composer on classic FM.

Maybe I should be offended because Russia doesn't play oasis?
 
A Russian war journo just said Ukraine has taken Donetsk airport..... What????? That's a total collapse
 
cpleigh said:
A Russian war journo just said Ukraine has taken Donetsk airport..... What????? That's a total collapse
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I doubt that, but they have reached the Trav’yans’ke reservoir just 7 km from the Russian border.

It is a total Russian collapse.
 
Last week Kupyansk was a key Russian logistics node 60 km behind the frontline.

Now it’s under Ukrainian control.

We are approaching a point at which the Kursk Bridge will be Russia’s only means to resupply the southern front.
 
Even if Russia lose this battle, they have given NATO an economic blow and a scare.

Russia can just cut off gas completely and make Europe have warm banks and other similar measures.
 
sweep_shot said:
Even if Russia lose this battle, they have given NATO an economic blow and a scare.

Russia can just cut off gas completely and make Europe have warm banks and other similar measures.
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Once again with feeling. NATO isn’t a country. It’s a military alliance of countries including yours. The Canadian Air Force keeps you safe from Russian air incursion. Two more countries are joining NATO and all are beefing up their defence budgets, so this cannot be a win for Putin.

Europe is not a country either. Some nations are immune to this gas embargo. Germany and Italy are vulnerable, but France and Norway can send them extras gas and oil until they ramp up alternative power sources.

Try and get with the good guys on this.
 
sweep_shot said:
Even if Russia lose this battle, they have given NATO an economic blow and a scare.

Russia can just cut off gas completely and make Europe have warm banks and other similar measures.
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Yup, and NATO members barring Uncle Sam, are out with a begging bowl.

Germany has increased coal usage by 30% just to make some ends meets with the energy crisis. So much for going neutral and climate change.

The sooner Europe realises that Uncle Sam is playing them like a cheap fiddle, the better.
 
sweep_shot said:
Even if Russia lose this battle, they have given NATO an economic blow and a scare.

Russia can just cut off gas completely and make Europe have warm banks and other similar measures.
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Or Europe buy from elsewhere.

Advancing in Luhansk now
 
It's time the Muslims in caucasus rebel and the asiatic people as well in the East and siberia why should a bunch of sissy russians continue to loot their natural resources and wipe out their culture and history.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Yup, and NATO members barring Uncle Sam, are out with a begging bowl.

Germany has increased coal usage by 30% just to make some ends meets with the energy crisis. So much for going neutral and climate change.

The sooner Europe realises that Uncle Sam is playing them like a cheap fiddle, the better.
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Mate the Russian army has been routed and defeated do keep up.

The only way russian can turn the tide now is by using battlefield mini nukes or massive ordinance bombs there's doubts even if the junkyard russian military can even deliver these weapons precisionally guided.
 
mazkhan said:
It's time the Muslims in caucasus rebel and the asiatic people as well in the East and siberia why should a bunch of sissy russians continue to loot their natural resources and wipe out their culture and history.
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How about America and NATO? LOL.

They have been invading and looting countries for a very long time. Before that, British Empire did the same.

British Empire looted resources worth around $45-trillion from Indian subcontinent alone.

If you call out Russia but ignore American transgression, you are being hypocritical.
 
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mazkhan said:
Mate the Russian army has been routed and defeated do keep up.

The only way russian can turn the tide now is by using battlefield mini nukes or massive ordinance bombs there's doubts even if the junkyard russian military can even deliver these weapons precisionally guided.
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You have hilighted the very point which many have failed to understand. This war isn't about boots on the ground, tanks, missiles, bullets, weapons etc, this is an economic war which Russia has won on all counts. Be it a stronger Ruble, be it shutting off oil to the West and selling it to the East, be it circumventing SWIFT, be it trading in non USD and EU currency, be it an Energy or cost of living crisis in the West. Above all, the complete utter failure of Western sanction - no liberal or NATO apologist dare address these points, including ZMSM.

Russia could lose the conventional war but Russia has won the economic war. The evidence is crystal clear, and frankly Putin is a genius, he has the West concentrating on Ukraine, while Putin builds economic bridges in the East.

The old bait and switch routine, and the West has fallen for it, hook line and sinker.
 
Oh come on.... Russia is on the way to bankrupting itself. Lost half of its military goods... Lost its best customers for gas and oil too.

Reports Ukrainian troops in Luhansk city
 
mazkhan said:
Mate the Russian army has been routed and defeated do keep up.

The only way russian can turn the tide now is by using battlefield mini nukes or massive ordinance bombs there's doubts even if the junkyard russian military can even deliver these weapons precisionally guided.
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It's a good point. Given the serviceability record of vehicles, and I would imagine a high percentage of dud shells, how do we know that the thermobaric bombs and tac-nukes will even work?

How do we know that Russian ICBMs will work?
 
Technics 1210 said:
This is MSM link

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-economy-sanctioms-2022/

Russian Ruble has been the strongest currency this year.

Bankruptcy my backside.
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Yup. Truly remarkable.

Even as Russia marks a historic default on its debt, the nation's currency is gaining strength. The ruble hit a new high against the dollar this week, continuing its streak as the best-performing currency in the world this year.

Three months after the ruble's value fell to less than a U.S. penny amid the toughest economic sanctions imposed on a country in modern history, Russia's currency has mounted a stunning turnaround. The ruble has jumped 45% against the dollar since January, with one dollar worth 53.45 rubles as of Tuesday.
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sweep_shot said:
Yup. Truly remarkable.
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The West will not admit it, sanctions have made Russian stronger. Keeping in mind, sanctions were the first go to weapon in destroying a Western target, Russia is a different beast. On top of this, Amreeka are still wiping their tears over the fact China and India will not condemn Russia for its actions.

Poor Western warmongering apologists, they still think they are living during the WW2 era. Bless their cotton socks.
 
One thing we should note, with the News cycle having changed since the death of the Queen, for at least a few weeks, the Western Propaganda on the Ukraine war is on the back-foot, a psudeo-blackout.

NATO bots will be working overtime.

There’s always a silver lining.
 
Seven out of ten Greeks are being forced to buy less food due to rising energy costs

A growing number of Greeks are cutting back on food to pay their taxes and energy bills, a survey by the General Confederation of Greek Workers and the Labor Institute has shown.

When asked if rising prices had forced them to spend less on basic food items, 20% of respondents answered “much less” and 51% answered “less,” while a quarter reported “little” change in their spending habits and only 4% said the situation had not changed for them at all.

A majority noted that the change in their spending habits had come from the necessity to pay more for energy. Nearly half of respondents (47%) said they expected a “difficult winter” as energy prices continue to rise, while one in five said they may not be able to pay for energy bills in the coming months “at all.”

“The Greek economy and society, after years of austerity, are facing a new wave of price increases and revaluation of basic goods, and stagnant incomes threaten the purchasing power of many households and social groups,” the authors of the survey conclude.
 
Technics 1210 said:
One thing we should note, with the News cycle having changed since the death of the Queen, for at least a few weeks, the Western Propaganda on the Ukraine war is on the back-foot, a psudeo-blackout.

NATO bots will be working overtime.

There’s always a silver lining.
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Seems like the Queens death came 2 weeks early otherwise the so far successful counter offensive in Izyum area would number 1 story 24/7.

Im waiting to see how this plays out because it looks like the Ukrainians have had their first successful counter offensive and that too at perhaps even division level whereas they have not have a success even at BTG level till now.
 
bones said:
Seems like the Queens death came 2 weeks early otherwise the so far successful counter offensive in Izyum area would number 1 story 24/7.

Im waiting to see how this plays out because it looks like the Ukrainians have had their first successful counter offensive and that too at perhaps even division level whereas they have not have a success even at BTG level till now.
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Russia confirmed they have retreated from Izyum and kupyansk
 
In the last 3 days.... 3 days Ukraine has recaptured what it lost in 4 months and now going over the 2014 border.

It's an absolute rout
 
cpleigh said:
In the last 3 days.... 3 days Ukraine has recaptured what it lost in 4 months and now going over the 2014 border.

It's an absolute rout
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Don't lie now. They have re-captured a big area but they are a good way from Luhansk.

I find it so ironic that the Ukrainians have recaptured "huge area" but the same area she n Russia controlled it was small.
 
cpleigh said:
Russia confirmed they have retreated from Izyum and kupyansk
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This means:

1. The Ukrainians have overwhelming numbers in the area
2. The Russians don't want to let their units just get encircled and killed - no chance of a fight with just small forces policing
3. The Russians have more drfendable positions further back

All of this is very interesting for keen military followers. We need to see what the Russians have planned in this area to stop or counter this Ukrainian offensive .
 
bones said:
Don't lie now. They have re-captured a big area but they are a good way from Luhansk.

I find it so ironic that the Ukrainians have recaptured "huge area" but the same area she n Russia controlled it was small.
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There's videos of ukranians entering Luhansk city.
 
bones said:
This means:

1. The Ukrainians have overwhelming numbers in the area
2. The Russians don't want to let their units just get encircled and killed - no chance of a fight with just small forces policing
3. The Russians have more drfendable positions further back

All of this is very interesting for keen military followers. We need to see what the Russians have planned in this area to stop or counter this Ukrainian offensive .
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4. Russia has run out of meaningful reinforcement
5. Russians think '******** to this... I'm not dying for a meaningless war'
 
As predicted, NATO bots are out in full flow, consuming more internet bandwidth than ever. These are the same lot who weeped about social media propaganda during Trump and Brexit, allegedly.

:)))
 
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If Ukraine somehow manage to push Putin back - and it looks like Kherson could surrender as the bridges are cut and supplies are not getting in - this will puncture the notion of authoritarianism across Europe. Hungary, France, UK even.

All to the good, if so. For the first time since Putin invaded, I feel hope.

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/why-ukraine-will-win/
 
cpleigh said:
There's videos of ukranians entering Luhansk city.
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No there isn't.

But I'm listening to a podcast that a former NATO commander has just said, whilst he's impressed with the rapid gains in the east the fact it's so easy means something has happened that we are not aware of.

He seems to think secret negotiating may have begun in the background and that the NPP has a huge part in this.
 
bones said:
No there isn't.

But I'm listening to a podcast that a former NATO commander has just said, whilst he's impressed with the rapid gains in the east the fact it's so easy means something has happened that we are not aware of.

He seems to think secret negotiating may have begun in the background and that the NPP has a huge part in this.
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Already corrected. Personally I think something's happened in the Russian military. I think something's brewing regarding over throw.
 
cpleigh said:
Already corrected. Personally I think something's happened in the Russian military. I think something's brewing regarding over throw.
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Jack Baud former NATO commander says everyone on both sides should calm down. He says all intelligence agencies could see a massive Ukrainian army gathering in the east 5 times bigger than in the kherson counter offensive.

The Russians also saw this and began systematically withdrawing from the east. According to him no one knows what the Russians are planning except the Russians and we have to wait a few days.

When asked is this the day the tide turns and he laughs. Says, no one in the American or Russian leadership thinks that.

I'll be interested to get Dreizin, MacGregor etc their opinion on this.
 
cpleigh said:
Denis pulishin leader of the DPR has fled.
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LOL. Sow the seeds of panic Example A.

The western MSM and now social media are brilliant at this. He's probably just travelling around like he's done all conflict long.
 
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