Russia invades Ukraine

[sweep_shot]

I did not support the invasion of Iraq, although I am glad that Saddam was hanged by his own people.

The invasion of Afghanistan was not just right, it was far too late. Pigs like the Taliban must never, ever be allowed to destroy the lives of girls and women, and they and their enablers need to be removed from power. And yes, I am including their ISI enablers.

I do not support any negotiation or settlement with monsters like the Taliban. Like with ISIS, they have forfeited any rights at all, and so do the people who deal with them and prop them up.

This was your comment:

Yes that is my logic.

The USA targets evil murderers like Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden or the Taliban, who are now safely ensconced in Hell where they belong.

Russia attacks democracies like Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine.

So, as per your logic, when America attacks, it is to get rid of dictators. But, when Russia attacks, it is to attack democracy.

Do you seriously believe America attacked Iraq for WMD and Saddam? Why are they not attacking other dictators then?

Russia's operation pales in comparison to what America did in Iraq (1-million deaths).

 

[Junaids]

Hate? Where did you see see word "hate"?

This operation is a self-defense operation. I was pointing that out.

This was your comment:



So, as per your logic, when America attacks, it is to get rid of dictators. But, when Russia attacks, it is to attack democracy.

Do you seriously believe America attacked Iraq for WMD and Saddam? Why are they not attacking other dictators then?

It was about oil. It was about looting resources.

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is pale in comparison to what America did in Iraq (1-million deaths, collapse of country etc.).

Iran-Iraq war 1980-88?

 

[Robert]

I agree.

Just because one lives in a country doesn't mean he needs to support everything the country does.

Foreign policies of west have been disasters. They need to reduce interference. I don't think they will like it if other countries were interfering in their matters.

Once again the old two-wrongs-make-a-right defence. Kindergarten stuff.

Russia does interfere in Western elections, promoting Brexit and Trump to weaken Western cohesion and free Russia up to land-grab further.

 

[cpleigh]

The kherson front line hasn't moved an inch this is according to all western and Russian maps. So please stop lying.

As for the calls to end the war please provide sources because every single reliable Russian analyst is calling for mobilisation.

Pretty accurate Ukranian sources (have been up to know) just said Russians have begun negotiations for the surrendr of Kherson

 

[Robert]

Do you seriously believe America attacked Iraq for WMD and Saddam? Why are they not attacking other dictators then?

Various reasons:

After USSR fell, the Washington neocons thought they could remove despots and allow democracy to take root.
To increase US influence in the ME.
Oil-grab as the neocons were oil men.
Bush 43 wanted to impress Bush 41.

 

[bones]

Pretty accurate Ukranian sources (have been up to know) just said Russians have begun negotiations for the surrendr of Kherson

So provide these sources then.

 

[cpleigh]

If Saddam Hussain was an evil murderer, what about George Bush or Tony Blair? They were many times worse.

Good on Russia for doing operations in western puppet states.

Can you imagine an enemy country creating bases and instilling puppets near United States? Would USA be okay with it?

Russia has the right to self-defense.

A few things on that. Blair and Bush didn't gas their own people or invade it's neighbours x 2 in land grabs.

Nobody has attacked Russia, so what self defense?

 

[cpleigh]

Just because someone lives somewhere doesn't mean they agree with the foreign policy. I live in the UK, but I detest the foreign policy our government has implemented for decades. Invading Iraq on the false basis of WMD for example - they lot of them should be in prison for life, yet Blair walks about freely. Killing Gaddafi - they should be in prison for life on that crime as well.

But yet you supported Putin and Russia for the same... even peddling the absolute rubbish about US Bio labs etc on here.

You are an absolute hypocrite. You hate the system which allows you to spout your hatred, whilst championing the system which denies people that right.

 

[cpleigh]

So provide these sources then.

I don't need to. Just look on the net

 

[sweep_shot]

Nobody has attacked Russia, so what self defense?

See post #4479. I posted a video.

 

[cpleigh]

See post #4479. I posted a video.

But absolutely nobody has attacked Russia.

 

[Robert]

"The West" didn't kill Gaddafi BTW. Libyan rebels did. The UN resolved to prevent Gaddafi bombing civilians when the Arab Spring came to Libya, and NATO acted on that Resolution, destroying his airfields. This prevented him from destroying the rebellion.

Unfortunately the rebels were worse than Gaddafi, so like Saddam, the lesser evil would have been to let him remain in power..

 

[sweep_shot]

"The West" didn't kill Gaddafi BTW. Libyan rebels did. The UN resolved to prevent Gaddafi bombing civilians when the Arab Spring came to Libya, and NATO acted on that Resolution, destroying his airfields. This prevented him from destroying the rebellion.

Unfortunately the rebels were worse than Gaddafi, so like Saddam, the lesser evil would have been to let him remain in power..

Why did they prevent him from destroying the rebellion? That was an unnecessary interference.

West needs to understand democracy can't work in Middle East. Middle East needs strong and charismatic leaders like Saddam and Gaddafi (despite their alleged transgressions).

 

[Robert]

Why did they prevent him from destroying the rebellion? That was an unnecessary interference.

West needs to understand democracy can't work in Middle East. Middle East needs strong and charismatic leaders like Saddam and Gaddafi (despite their alleged transgressions).

The UN. Not "the West". Because they wanted to prevent civilian casualties. It was a bad policy because it collapsed one of the better governments of North Africa. On Gaddafi's watch, women could choose not to take the veil and to get an education. And more civilians died. I don't know what got into the UN after seeing the Iraq disaster. Maybe they thought the rebels were democrats.

 

[Junaids]

Is that why most of the people in the South and South East welcomed the Russian forces with open arms?

Let's admit facts shall we? The ethnic Russians are oppressed and have been for a long time and they want to join Russia or split from Ukraine. The Ukrainians won't allow this because of the geography - they risk being landlocked and the south east is rich in natural resources.

The ethnic Russians are not oppressed in Ukraine.

And while the majority of Crimeans do support Russia - and may well have to move there now - the false Russian claims that Donbas residents supported Russia not Ukraine have always been Fake News.

 

[bones]

I don't need to. Just look on the net

As expected - no sources ever. Just sweeping statements.

 

[cpleigh]

As expected - no sources ever. Just sweeping statements.

The source is a Ukranian government official. That ok for you?

 

[Junaids]

People seem to forget that for 120 years, Russia has lost every war except one that it has fought against western nations.

They lost to Japan, they lost to Poland and they lost the First World War to Germany.

The only war they won was World War Two because they were supplied with western weapons and they fought on a single front against an enemy which was fighting the UK and USA at the same time.

There is no evidence to suggest that Russia has a competent army at all. Their Air Force is too scared to enter Ukrainian airspace and their Navy is hiding in port on the far side of Crimea.

 

[mazkhan]

They won eventually in chechenya dagestan

They also helped president assad turn the tide against the syrian rebels

Albeit massive war crimes were committed by the Russians

 

[James]

Good on Russia for doing operations in western puppet states.

You should be ashamed and embarrassed for making this comment.

 

[James]

Just because someone lives somewhere doesn't mean they agree with the foreign policy. I live in the UK, but I detest the foreign policy our government has implemented for decades. Invading Iraq on the false basis of WMD for example - they lot of them should be in prison for life, yet Blair walks about freely. Killing Gaddafi - they should be in prison for life on that crime as well.

I completely agree with this post but it doesn’t mean that I would also support an invasion (not a “special military operation”) by Russia of Ukraine.

US/UK invading Iraq was unacceptable and also Russia invading Ukraine = unacceptable.

 

[sweep_shot]

You should be ashamed and embarrassed for making this comment.

I think this comment of mine was taken out of context. But, I admit I could've worded it better.

I don't support outright invasion like Americans did in Iraq. But, from Russian point of view, taking out enemy figures in enemy countries seems understandable. I am not saying this is right or wrong.

Americans are putting bases after bases near Russian borders. Can you imagine the reaction from US if Russia did the same?

 

[bones]

The source is a Ukranian government official. That ok for you?

Ok sure - like I'm supposed to believe the government officials who claimed the Bucha massacre was done by the Russians.

 

[Gilly]

I think this comment of mine was taken out of context. But, I admit I could've worded it better.

I don't support outright invasion like Americans did in Iraq. But, from Russian point of view, taking out enemy figures in enemy countries seems understandable. I am not saying this is right or wrong.

Americans are putting bases after bases near Russian borders. Can you imagine the reaction from US if Russia did the same?

Which bases have the americans put near Russian borders.

 

[bones]

Which bases have the americans put near Russian borders.

Is this a serious question?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

 

[sweep_shot]

Which bases have the americans put near Russian borders.

This question made me laugh.

Americans are all over the world. If Russia did 20% of what America gets away, we might have seen WW3.



The red ones are the locations of American bases.

 

[Gilly]

Is this a serious question?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

Yes it was a serious question, which bases have the Americans placed near the borders of Russia?.

 

[Gilly]

This question made me laugh.

Americans are all over the world. If Russia did 20% of what America gets away, we might have seen WW3.

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The red ones are the locations of American bases.

Does not show any bases near the borders of Russia.

 

[sweep_shot]

Which bases have the americans put near Russian borders.

See this, [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION].

I don't care about Russia. I am not a Russian. But, Putin has a point.

 

[Gilly]

See this, @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=732" target="_blank">Gilly</a

I don't care about Russia. I am not a Russian. But, Putin has a point.

Why are you avoiding answering my question,

What bases has America put near the borders of Russia?.

 

[sweep_shot]

Does not show any bases near the borders of Russia.

Yes it was a serious question, which bases have the Americans placed near the borders of Russia?.

You can check all the bases here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases.

Russia is surrounded from both east and west.

 

[Junaids]

Today’s painfully accurate Darth Putin tweet:

“The US military lasted twice as long as Russia in Afghanistan.

The USA had a 1/4 of the casualties, killed about 780,000 fewer civilians & instead of causing the country to collapse, can still give Ukraine about 0.5% of its weapons & **** Russia up.”

 

[Gilly]

You can check all the bases here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases.

Russia is surrounded from both east and west.

Just tell me which bases you are talking about, if there are too many just name a few.

 

[sweep_shot]

Just tell me which bases you are talking about, if there are too many just name a few.

I have given you the link to all the bases. It is time consuming for me to copy and paste. Just go to the link and see for yourself. Also, watch that video of Putin.

 

[sweep_shot]

Some may say Ukraine became an unofficial base of America (right at the Russian border).

 

[Gilly]

I have given you the link to all the bases. It is time consuming for me to copy and paste. Just go to the link and see for yourself. Also, watch that video of Putin.

OK so you dont know of any bases that America has near the Russian border, thats all you had to say.

 

[sweep_shot]

OK so you dont know of any bases that America has near the Russian border, thats all you had to say.

Nope. That's not what I said. I gave you a link and a video. Don't be lazy. Check those.

 

[bones]

OK so you dont know of any bases that America has near the Russian border, thats all you had to say.

Are you deliberately being stubborn just for the sake of it? We've give you a link to a page with a list of American bases around the world. Why would we copy paste from the source when we've given you the source? If you want to be bone idol lazy that's fine, but don't then have the nerve to moan about being bone idol lazy.

 

[Gilly]

Nope. That's not what I said. I gave you a link and a video. Don't be lazy. Check those.

You didnt answer my question, I asked what bases America has near Russian borders. You gave me a list of American bases that are NOT on Russian borders.

It could not be more simpler so I will just leave it at that.

 

[sweep_shot]

You didnt answer my question, I asked what bases America has near Russian borders. You gave me a list of American bases that are NOT on Russian borders.

It could not be more simpler so I will just leave it at that.

I answered your question. You are deliberately trying to avoid answer.

Also, check this:

The United States operates a global network of military installations and is by far the largest operator of military bases abroad with locations in dozens of nations on every continent, with 38 "named bases"[note 1] having active-duty, National Guard, reserve, or civilian personnel as of September 30, 2014. Its largest, in terms of personnel, is Ramstein Air Base, in Germany, with almost 9,200 personnel.[1][note 2] The Pentagon stated in 2013 that there are "around" 5,000 bases total, with "around" 600 of them overseas.[2] Due to the sensitive nature of the subject there is no comprehensive list of detailed information on the exact number or location of all bases, stations and installations as it involves highly classified information. The total number of foreign sites for installations and facilities that are either in active use and service or may be activated and operated and by American military personnel and allies is at just over 1,000.[3]

 

[SalimBhai]

Please name bases on Russian border. SimplE task

 

[Manager101]

 

[SalimBhai]

It is a Military base. Not an " American military base" From what I understand . I could be wrong

 

[Manager101]

It is a Military base. Not an " American military base" From what I understand . I could be wrong

Check the youtube video link in that post aswell.

And the examples are two bases, not one. Right at the nose of Russia.

 

[SalimBhai]

No videos at work. . But wikipedia and other websites just list it as A military base and if you google for USA military bases it does not come up. I just texted my nephew who is an X military officer. . lets see what he says. He was stationed all over the damn place.

 

[SalimBhai]

Amari base is not a US military base. It has been used for nato military purposes. But its not a US military base.

 

[Gilly]

Check the youtube video link in that post aswell.

And the examples are two bases, not one. Right at the nose of Russia.

The Ämari Air Base is one of the two tactical military units of the Estonian Defence Forces under the command of the Commander of the Estonian Air Force, with the main tasks of airbase operations and organisation of aviation activities in the Estonian Defence Forces.

Its not an American base, never was and never will be.

 

[SalimBhai]

So back to Uncle sweep shot.
Please name a US base next to Russia

 

[sweep_shot]

So back to Uncle sweep shot.
Please name a US base next to Russia

I have given a link and a video. Check those. There are multiple US bases. Not just one or two.

 

[SalimBhai]

i have given a link and a video. Check those. There are multiple us bases. Not just one or two.

not a single one next to russia border.

 

[sweep_shot]

not a single one next to russia border.

Nope. There are multiple American bases in Europe. Those are all near Russia.

America also has bases in Korea and its surroundings. That is near eastern Russia.

Please check the bases list. Don't be lazy.

Some may say Ukraine itself became an unofficial base of America.

 

[SalimBhai]

Once again there is not a single US military base that touches Russian border. NONE.
You should just acknowledge you were wrong/mistaken and move on. Stop digging a hole for yourself.

 

[Junaids]

For the record, Estonia is a sovereign independent nation which Russia, as the USSR, attacked in 1920, 1940 and finally in 1944 when it was unlawfully annexed to the USSR.

Russia’s behaviour towards it has consistently been unlawful and disgraceful since 1920. They have every reason to have military bases, and every reason to have joined NATO for protection against the Russian Imperialists who keep invading Estonia.

 

[Manager101]

Amari base is not a US military base. It has been used for nato military purposes. But its not a US military base.

And US military units are not included among NATO military units, right ?

 

[sweep_shot]

Once again there is not a single US military base that touches Russian border. NONE.
You should just acknowledge you were wrong/mistaken and move on. Stop digging a hole for yourself.

No country has the gut to touch Russian border. Russia is not some weak country. They are a nuclear superpower.

I used the word "near". There are many US bases "NEAR" Russian border.

 

[SalimBhai]

For the record, Estonia is a sovereign independent nation which Russia, as the USSR, attacked in 1920, 1940 and finally in 1944 when it was unlawfully annexed to the USSR.

Russia’s behaviour towards it has consistently been unlawful and disgraceful since 1920. They have every reason to have military bases, and every reason to have joined NATO for protection against the Russian Imperialists who keep invading Estonia.

Yes, but no American military base there.

 

[sweep_shot]

For the record, Estonia is a sovereign independent nation which Russia, as the USSR, attacked in 1920, 1940 and finally in 1944 when it was unlawfully annexed to the USSR.

Russia’s behaviour towards it has consistently been unlawful and disgraceful since 1920. They have every reason to have military bases, and every reason to have joined NATO for protection against the Russian Imperialists who keep invading Estonia.

LOL @ Russian imperialists.

How about America and UK? British Empire looted $45-trillion from Indian subcontinent. They should give some of those loots back to Asia and Africa.

 

[SalimBhai]

No country has the gut to touch Russian border. Russia is not some weak country. They are a nuclear superpower.

I used the word "near". There are many US bases "NEAR" Russian border.

There are NO military ( US) bases in a country which borders Russia. NONE. You are trying to move the goalpost. Just admit you were wrong and move on

 

[sweep_shot]

There are NO military ( US) bases in a country which borders Russia. NONE. You are trying to move the goalpost. Just admit you were wrong and move on

You are writing like a 2-year old. I can't help if you are too lazy to check out the Wiki link I gave you.

Also, check out this video:

I challenge you to debunk this video.

 

[SalimBhai]

LOL @ Russian imperialists.

How about America and UK? British Empire looted $45-trillion from Indian subcontinent. They should give some of those loots back to Asia and Africa.

Who is defending Imperialism here or American invasions or colonizations. NOBODY. Absolutely ZERO people. Also when you include America/UK imperialism ,you should also include Turkish colonization, Muslim conquests of others land, Mongol invasions and conquests also. ALL should be CONDEMNED. DONT YOU AGREE

 

[Manager101]

For the record, Estonia is a sovereign independent nation which Russia, as the USSR, attacked in 1920, 1940 and finally in 1944 when it was unlawfully annexed to the USSR.

Russia’s behaviour towards it has consistently been unlawful and disgraceful since 1920. They have every reason to have military bases, and every reason to have joined NATO for protection against the Russian Imperialists who keep invading Estonia.

The questions by few kids here is not about "Why the bases exist" But they want to know the saviour of the world USA/NATO have bases/ military units present there or not.

 

[SalimBhai]

You are writing like a 2-year old. I can't help if you are too lazy to check out the Wiki link I gave you.

Also, check out this video:

I challenge you to debunk this video.

I have no quarrels with the video. Never did, never brought it up. My only point was You are wrong about the US military bases locations. And in last two hours you have not named ONE. So that's that. Grow up and man up when you are wrong.

 

[sweep_shot]

I have no quarrels with the video. Never did, never brought it up. My only point was You are wrong about the US military bases locations. And in last two hours you have not named ONE. So that's that. Grow up and man up when you are wrong.

I am at work right now and I don't feel the need to go to Wiki and copy and paste every single base. I have given you a Wiki link where you can find all the bases.

You are not a kid that I need to do things step by step for you.

 

[SalimBhai]

I am at work right now and I don't feel the need to go to Wiki and copy and paste every single base. I have given you a Wiki link where you can find all the bases.

You are not a kid that I need to do things step by step for you.

Dude everyone here knows there are no bases. I went to the link. Hence I am telling you. NO BASES IN COUNTRIES THAT BORDER RUSSIA> NONE. ZERO!!!

 

[sweep_shot]

Dude everyone here knows there are no bases. I went to the link. Hence I am telling you. NO BASES IN COUNTRIES THAT BORDER RUSSIA> NONE. ZERO!!!

I also didn't say any base borders Russia. No country probably has the balls to do that anyway.

I said "near". There are many nearby American bases (both east and west) and Russia is rightfully concerned about those.

 

[Junaids]

LOL @ Russian imperialists.

How about America and UK? British Empire looted $45-trillion from Indian subcontinent. They should give some of those loots back to Asia and Africa.

That’s arrant nonsense.

Every other European Empire long ago gave its colonies independence.

Russia clings on to Siberia and East Asia and Central Asia as if Britain still had Africa and India.

Have you understood nothing about the war in Ukraine? The claptrap about Donbas Russians being mistreated was always a pathetic excuse.

All along this was was about Putin wanting Ukraine back, as if Britain tried to retake India and Pakistan. He even said so two days before he invaded!

Russia’s war in Ukraine is an Imperialist War started by the last remaining European Empire.

It has been all along. It’s just that some people are blinded by their own country’s colonial past and can’t see that Russia is an Imperialist power trying to reassemble the missing parts of its Empire.

 

[James]

Keep it civil please. Thanks

 

[Junaids]

I also didn't say any base borders Russia. No country probably has the balls to do that anyway.

I said "near". There are many nearby American bases (both east and west) and Russia is rightfully concerned about those.

NATO is a mutual defence treaty. The only countries which need to be worried by that are ones that attack other countries.

Currently Russia unlawfully occupies part of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. That’s why they fear NATO.

It’s like a rapist fearing having to give up a sample of his DNA.

Russia is only worried because it is an aggressive Imperialist power which feels threatened by its neighbours having the ability to defend themselves.

 

[sweep_shot]

NATO is a mutual defence treaty. The only countries which need to be worried by that are ones that attack other countries.

Currently Russia unlawfully occupies part of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. That’s why they fear NATO.

It’s like a rapist fearing having to give up a sample of his DNA.

Russia is only worried because it is an aggressive Imperialist power which feels threatened by its neighbours having the ability to defend themselves.

NATO also has Turkey. Turkey and Russia have a great relation.

So, it is not really NATO vs Russia. It is more like America/UK vs Russia.

Most NATO nations are lightweights militarily.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

NATO is a mutual defence treaty. The only countries which need to be worried by that are ones that attack other countries.

Currently Russia unlawfully occupies part of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. That’s why they fear NATO.

It’s like a rapist fearing having to give up a sample of his DNA.

Russia is only worried because it is an aggressive Imperialist power which feels threatened by its neighbours having the ability to defend themselves.

So would the USA be cool with another country having missiles on its doorstep? Like say in Cuba?

We already know the answer to that. Don't be deliberately obtuse.

 

[Robert]

Amari base is not a US military base. It has been used for nato military purposes. But its not a US military base.

It has troops and aircraft from all NATO countries. I spoke to a MP who toured the base. It's key to the defence of the Baltic states.

 

[Manager101]

The Ämari Air Base is one of the two tactical military units of the Estonian Defence Forces under the command of the Commander of the Estonian Air Force, with the main tasks of airbase operations and organisation of aviation activities in the Estonian Defence Forces.

Its not an American base, never was and never will be.

US and NATO units are regularly stationed there. USA won't be establishing new bases obviously, they simply use the NATO member excuse to station there military units.

 

[Robert]

So, it is not really NATO vs Russia. It is more like America/UK vs Russia.

Most NATO nations are lightweights militarily.

Tell that to the French.

Or the Danes, or the Swedes: both are always up for a scrap.

Or indeed Canada. A hundred F/A-19s are a significant air force.

Even the Germans have demothballed their Leopard II fleet and boosted their defence spend by 300%.

Soldier for soldier I would expect any of these to push back the Russian conscripts and national servicemen.

 

[Robert]

You are writing like a 2-year old. I can't help if you are too lazy to check out the Wiki link I gave you.

Also, check out this video:

I challenge you to debunk this video.

Whereas Russian has MRBMs in Kaliningrad which can reach any point in Europe.

It is called deterrence.

 

[SalimBhai]

It has troops and aircraft from all NATO countries. I spoke to a MP who toured the base. It's key to the defence of the Baltic states.

Yes correct. But its not an exclusive US base

 

[cpleigh]

NATO also has Turkey. Turkey and Russia have a great relation.

So, it is not really NATO vs Russia. It is more like America/UK vs Russia.

Most NATO nations are lightweights militarily.

If Russia kept to its internationaly recongnized borders and stopped murdering people and carrying out state sponsored assanations in those countries it wouldn't be anyone against Russia

 

[Robert]

Jaw dropping if true......

 

[SalimBhai]

Seems Russia on the back foot for the moment.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Extraordinary post.

Putin murdered hundreds of journalists. Five oligarchs who questioned the war have recently fallen out of high windows. Even using the word “war” risks a prison sentence.

Yet you take “Russian sources” more seriously than the BBC, which exists in a free society and still has a high degree of autonomy from government.

I wrote NEUTRAL , Russian and also any other sources.

BBC is nothing more than a propaganda tool for the government esp when it comes to conflicts.

See the BBC now...

Ukraine have been told by the EU, Nato and other allies to do something now. Billions of weapons, a lot manpower including mercenaries or foreigners are equipped to send the Russians out. Neutral sources will say Ukraine has had some success as Russia has left large areas. But Ukrainians have also lost thousands in the last week, not what you will hear on BBC.

This is Ukrainians last big attack before winter sets in. If they capture Mariupol it will be a major success. If they fail this time, the Europeans will see so many protests over the winter, they will demand a peace deal, Russia will win the conflict.

 

[cpleigh]

Jaw dropping if true......

View attachment 117067

It's true. Whilst everyone has been distracted by Kharkiv ukraine is starting to make serious gains in kherson now. Around 500skm liberated this weekend.