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Today’s Darth Putin tweet - he’s obviously been speaking with some contributors to this thread…

There'll be more attrocities discovered so here's the tankie guide:

1 It never happened.
2 They were Nazis so deserved what didn't happen
3 NATO/Soros/Ukraine staged it
4 What didn't happen to Nazis who deserved it/actors who staged it was a biolab
5 What about Iraq

Repeat

1. USA has a habit of demonizing Russia and China. According to America, they are never at fault and it is always someone else's fault.
2. Nazis deserve to be wiped out. Don't tell me you love Nazis.
3. Wouldn't be surprised if Soros was involved.
4. Existence of a biolab is not entirely impossible. We know how slimy Americans are.
5. Russia didn't even do 20% of what America did in Iraq. I am yet to see you condemn America's action in Iraq.
 
1. USA has a habit of demonizing Russia and China. According to America, they are never at fault and it is always someone else's fault.
2. Nazis deserve to be wiped out. Don't tell me you love Nazis.
3. Wouldn't be surprised if Soros was involved.
4. Existence of a biolab is not entirely impossible. We know how slimy Americans are.
5. Russia didn't even do 20% of what America did in Iraq. I am yet to see you condemn America's action in Iraq.

Firstly, you called the Ukrainians Nazis even though their President is Jewish.

As if that wasn’t offensive enough, you accuse George Soros - a Jew who was victimised by the Nazis in 1944 - of being involved.

That is as offensive as it is imbecilic.

And for the record, and the third time this week, I did not support the war in Iraq.

I supported the war against the Taliban and any of their supporters and enablers - including the ISI.

But I never supported the Iraq war, and I still consider the David Kelly “suicide” to be the most pathetic lie my government has put out in my lifetime. If he killed himself I am a banana.

Please note, however, that the dodgy weapons of mass destruction dossier, the Kelly death and for that matter the Robin Cook death all took place when the other side of British politics was in power - not my side.
 
Firstly, you called the Ukrainians Nazis even though their President is Jewish.

As if that wasn’t offensive enough, you accuse George Soros - a Jew who was victimised by the Nazis in 1944 - of being involved.

That is as offensive as it is imbecilic.

And for the record, and the third time this week, I did not support the war in Iraq.

I supported the war against the Taliban and any of their supporters and enablers - including the ISI.

But I never supported the Iraq war, and I still consider the David Kelly “suicide” to be the most pathetic lie my government has put out in my lifetime. If he killed himself I am a banana.

Please note, however, that the dodgy weapons of mass destruction dossier, the Kelly death and for that matter the Robin Cook death all took place when the other side of British politics was in power - not my side.

I didn't call all Ukrainians Nazis. But, there are Nazis within Ukrainian army. I don't mind if they are wiped out.

Religion of Soros has nothing to do with his allegedly evil activities. Also, I am not sure if he is an actual Jew. The Satanic cabal doesn't follow any mainstream religion.

Lastly, I believe there is a possible connection between Zionism and Hitler. Hitler was a tool for the Zionists to send Jews from Europe to Middle East. I suspect Hitler was collaborating with the Zionists behind the scene.
 
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I didn't call all Ukrainians Nazis. But, there are Nazis within Ukrainian army. I don't mind if they are wiped out.

Religion of Soros has nothing to do with his allegedly evil activities. Also, I am not sure if he is an actual Jew. The Satanic cabal doesn't follow any mainstream religion.

Lastly, I believe there is a possible connection between Zionism and Hitler. Hitler was a tool for the Zionists to send Jews from Europe to Middle East. I suspect Hitler was collaborating with the Zionists behind the scene.
We will just assume this is your opinion, not fact based. And ignore it
 
We will just assume this is your opinion, not fact based. And ignore it

You can assume whatever you want. Leftists are not concerned about reality anyway. Anything goes for them.

But, yeah. This is a conspiracy theory. I didn't say it is a fact. Many facts were probably removed anyway. We have to rely on whistleblowers now.
 
You can assume whatever you want. Leftists are not concerned about reality anyway. Anything goes for them.

But, yeah. This is a conspiracy theory. I didn't say it is a fact. Many facts were probably removed anyway. We have to rely on whistleblowers now.
But you are saying things which you yourself say are not facts
 
I didn't call all Ukrainians Nazis. But, there are Nazis within Ukrainian army. I don't mind if they are wiped out.

Religion of Soros has nothing to do with his allegedly evil activities. Also, I am not sure if he is an actual Jew. The Satanic cabal doesn't follow any mainstream religion.

Lastly, I believe there is a possible connection between Zionism and Hitler. Hitler was a tool for the Zionists to send Jews from Europe to Middle East. I suspect Hitler was collaborating with the Zionists behind the scene.
I am saying , this is not fact based, just your opinion right?, Indian actress ??? Is that suppose to be an insult. Why not an Indian actor? Always putting women down I see. Also I am Pakistani . And Indian is not an insult either to me. Just shows your mentality to everyone here.
 
I am saying , this is not fact based, just your opinion right?, Indian actress ??? Is that suppose to be an insult. Why not an Indian actor? Always putting women down I see. Also I am Pakistani . And Indian is not an insult either to me. Just shows your mentality to everyone here.

See post #4725.

Stop derailing the thread. This should be my final reply to you regarding this topic.
 
Ukrainian Inteliegence:

Russian has cancelled future deployments to Ukraine after the Militray refused to participate in combat operations in Ukraine.

Somethings starting to add up, this... Putin legging it to Sochi... a Russian acct saying a bomb attack was thwarted on Putins car.

Putins allies dying in 'mysterious' circumstances etc

Rumours of 10k Chechens being transferred to Moscow to protect Putin etc
 
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I hope Ukraine is not involved in this. It would be sickening if that is the case.

Civilians should be left alone.
 
Highly unlikely Ukraine did it, if they somehow could manage to get ops inside Russia to assisinate someone, they wouldn't waste it on her.

Calling her a civilian is a strecth.. she was part of an Ultra nationalistic Russian movement, who wanted Ukraine 'exterminated' called them 'sub human ****' and welcomed the final battle against the 'evil of Ukraine'

Civilians should be left alone... shame Russia seems to ignore that
 
Firstly, you called the Ukrainians Nazis even though their President is Jewish.

As if that wasn’t offensive enough, you accuse George Soros - a Jew who was victimised by the Nazis in 1944 - of being involved.

That is as offensive as it is imbecilic.


And for the record, and the third time this week, I did not support the war in Iraq.

I supported the war against the Taliban and any of their supporters and enablers - including the ISI.

But I never supported the Iraq war, and I still consider the David Kelly “suicide” to be the most pathetic lie my government has put out in my lifetime. If he killed himself I am a banana.

Please note, however, that the dodgy weapons of mass destruction dossier, the Kelly death and for that matter the Robin Cook death all took place when the other side of British politics was in power - not my side.

It's the sort of thing that males me despair of PP. So many posters here are lost in this sort of nonsense thinking. What is it that makes them prone to conspiracy theory?
 
Zionists made deals with Hitler.

There is no conspiracy about it..

Zionists sold their own Jewish people to Nazism, they did it before, they will do it again.

Documented fact.

Move on.
 
The west controls 90% of social media used across the world. That is total dominance.

That is also why the Ukrainians and posters like cpleigh had a field day with the Kharkiv/Izyum counter offensive. Everyone was screaming loud and hard about the Russian collapse. It has now become very clear that the Russians had performed a controlled evacuation.
 
Religion. Religious people are willing to accept ideas without evidence.

My old Dad was religious, and one of the biggest skeptics going.

One of those Christians who didn’t believe in the Resurrection.
 
The west controls 90% of social media used across the world. That is total dominance.

That is also why the Ukrainians and posters like cpleigh had a field day with the Kharkiv/Izyum counter offensive. Everyone was screaming loud and hard about the Russian collapse. It has now become very clear that the Russians had performed a controlled evacuation.

Indeed. It surprises me how can someone believe everything spitted by western media when their countries/powers are themselves are a "party" in the Ukraine/Russia War. Just like everything can't be trusted what "Russian media" says and needs skeptism, similarly the opposite party would also show the manipulated western narratives and use brain washing methods.

Thats what media usually does and the harsh truth of their business. Yes, the media industry is a business and a hypocritical one that involves politics to its fullest.
 

I hope Ukraine is not involved in this. It would be sickening if that is the case.

Civilians should be left alone.

Of course Ukraine is nothing to do with it.

Ironically you keep accusing Ukraine of being Nazis, whereas this Russian woman actually was.
 
The Russians have taken out parts of a dam near the southern city of Kriviy Rog. There is flooding in the local area including damage to the bridges.

This is further proof that up until this week the Russians did not target civilian infrastructure. If they wanted they could have done this in the first 24 hours.
 
The Russians have taken out parts of a dam near the southern city of Kriviy Rog. There is flooding in the local area including damage to the bridges.

This is further proof that up until this week the Russians did not target civilian infrastructure. If they wanted they could have done this in the first 24 hours.

Yes, that certainly is confirmation that Russia is now engaging in War Crimes not just on an individual level but on a planned, coordinated level.

It is no longer acceptable for there to be a negotiated end to this war unless the following preconditions are satisifed.

1. Return of all occupied Ukrainian territories in full, including Crimea and Donbas.

2. Formal surrender by Russia to Ukraine at Kherson, Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk. Running away like the Russians did when they were defeated at Kyiv and Kharkiv is no longer enough.

3. Formal undertaking by Russia to pay reparations for all damage to civilian buildings and infrastructure in Ukraine. Funds to be taken by international administration of Russia's oil and gas reserves until all damages repaid in full from Russia to Ukraine.

4. Formal undertaking by Russia to extradite all accused Russian war criminals to The Hague for the purpose of facing International War Crimes Tribunals.

Until those four conditions are met, the war should continue indefinitely to allow the further degradation of Russia's armed forces.
 
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From today's New York Times, an article about the Ukrainian Russian Collaborators who are trying to escape to Russia now that their region of Ukraine has been liberated:

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Refugees arriving from Ukraine are also driving home the reality of the war.

Thousands of people from eastern Ukraine have arrived in recent months, especially last week as Ukrainian troops retook territory in the northeast that had been held by Russian soldiers. Some were worried about living under the control of the Ukrainian government in Kyiv, while others, especially those who had acquired Russian passports or taken jobs in the occupying administration, feared being treated as collaborators, according to activists who are helping them leave.

“They were trying to live their lives, working in hospitals, in schools, stores, but that side understands this as collaborating with occupiers,” said Yulia Nemchinova, who has been helping refugees in Belgorod. Ms. Nemchinova, who holds pro-Russian views, left her native Kharkiv, just across the border, in 2014 after her husband had legal trouble with the Ukrainian authorities.

But she also said that many people felt shocked and effectively betrayed by a Russian army they saw as liberators, but that was now on the run in the face of a sweeping Ukrainian offensive.

“They were promised: Russia is here forever,” Ms. Nemchinova said.

While journalists and investigators are uncovering evidence of atrocities and human rights abuses committed by Russians during occupation, the people who recently fled to Belgorod say the retreating Russian army told them to leave because of potential retaliation.

In interviews in Belgorod, people who fled from territory recently retaken by Ukraine said they feared that when the Ukrainian army entered the local administration building, soldiers would find the lists of people who had accepted jobs or humanitarian assistance from the Russian interim administration and mete out punishments for collaborating. People were also scared because Ukraine passed a law punishing collaboration with the occupying authorities with 10 to 15 years in prison.


Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/world/europe/russia-ukraine-border-belgorod.html
Author: Valerie Hopkins

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So we are effectively watching Russia's invasion of Ukraine lead to the Ethnic Self-Cleansing of large parts of the Ukrainian Russian population.

These people were foolish enough to believe Putin's assurances that Russia was there for the long-haul.

Now they can see that he has lost on the battlefield, and that his Army is now so degraded that it has zero prospect of recovering the land from which it is now being driven.

I acknowledge that most Ukrainian Russians have always backed Ukraine, not Russia, and still do.

Unfortunately a significant number of Ukrainian Russians committed Treason against the Ukraine, and their treachery means that they no longer have a future in the land they were born in. Their treachery was followed by Putin's betrayal of them, and now they are homeless and will have to relocate to Russia.
 
Another salient point in another NY Times article today:

Russian graffiti still sprawled on a sign leading into town proclaimed “New Moscow” beside an abandoned Russian tank and green boxes of ammunition. Of the town’s prewar population, about 40,000, about a quarter remained during the occupation.

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This seems to be a pattern playing out again and again in the liberated areas of Ukraine where Russia was intending to hold bogus 'Independence Referendums".

75% of the population actually fled Russia's invasion, so only the hard-core 25% who were pro-Russian traitors remained.

As we have already seen with the Bogus "Independence Referendums" in Donetsk and Luhansk on 11 May 2014, the Russian playbook is to drive out the pro-Ukrainian population, then only allow pro-Russia Traitors and Collaborators to vote.

The Constitution of Ukraine states that for any area - including Crimea - to exit the nation of Ukraine, a majority of votes must support this - with the electorate consisting of the entire population of Ukraine, not just the separatists.

The 11 May 2014 Bogus Referenda had the following results:

Luhansk:
24% of eligible Luhansk residents voted (the pro-Ukraine ones could not).
96.2% voted for separation.

Donetsk:
20% of eligible Donetsk residents voted (the pro-Ukraine ones could not).
88% voted for separation.

Interestingly, the day before the referendum, the Ukrainians captured a Russian vehicle containing 100,000 ballots already marked with a "yes" vote.

So what we are seeing here is that Russia tried the same playbook in 2022 as they used in 2014. Drive out the 75% of the population which supports Ukraine and opposes Russia, then hold a bogus referendum in which only the traitors and collaborators who stayed are able to vote.

No wonder Donald Trump tried to steal the 2020 election using Fake Electors. He clearly had learned from his masters in the Kremlin.
 
Zionists made deals with Hitler.

There is no conspiracy about it..

Zionists sold their own Jewish people to Nazism, they did it before, they will do it again.

Documented fact.

Move on.
This kind of utter nonsense is precisely what needs to be challenged. The imprecision of it is astonishing.

In the 1930s there were Zionists who were already in Palestine.

But they were not the people who were massacred in the Nazi genocide, they had no authority to speak for them and they in no way represented them.

Consider Anne Frank, A German Jew who had escaped with her family to Amsterdam, only for the Nazis to invade and capture them.

Or the masses of Polish Jews who were rounded up and sent to the Warsaw Ghetto, then murdered at Treblinka.

They were not Zionists. They did not seek to move to Palestine. They were hardworking and loyal citizens of Poland (and what is now western Ukraine).

Remember, Stalin moved Poland at the end of WW2. He wanted Koenigsberg in East Prussia, and he wanted what is now western Ukraine, so he transferred the eastern third of Poland to the USSR, and "compensated" Poland by moving it to areas of Germany such as what is now Stettin, Gdansk and Wroclaw.

It's offensive enough when people accuse the Ukrainians of being Nazis.

The same people ignore the Nazi-Soviet Pact and the fact that Russia absolutely did deals with Hitler.

And then, the most offensive and evil poison of all, they effectively blame the Jews for the Holocaust.

It's sick. Absolutely sick. And it seems to be open slather among a Pakistani audience to call Zionism an evil. By all means criticise the occupation of the West bank, even Gaza.

But this sort of victim-blaming poison is really disgraceful.
 
I think it’s best to ignore junaids. He types 100% like one of the people who believes everything his teachers taught him and MSM presents.

Some of his statements are not even worthy of a response such as "it's offensive enough people accuse Ukrainians of being Nazis" or that the Donbas referendums were bogus.
 
Indeed. It surprises me how can someone believe everything spitted by western media when their countries/powers are themselves are a "party" in the Ukraine/Russia War. Just like everything can't be trusted what "Russian media" says and needs skeptism, similarly the opposite party would also show the manipulated western narratives and use brain washing methods.
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Because Western media is run by public incorporations or private companies so has at least a degree of autonomy from democratically elected government, whereas Russian media is a mouthpiece of the authoritarian state.

It would be wise to follow many Western media outlets in order to avoid bias. For example GB News is very pro-Tory, run at a loss by people who have a vested interest on n keeping the Tories in power.

I follow BBC, Channel 4 News (public corporations), France 24, Euronews, Al-Jazeera, Byline Times and politics.co.uk to try to get a broader perspective.

But you won’t get that in Russia where the news is managed.
 
I follow BBC, Channel 4 News (public corporations), France 24, Euronews, Al-Jazeera, Byline Times and politics.co.uk to try to get a broader perspective.

But you won’t get that in Russia where the news is managed.

Basically you follow all western media but nothing from the east. To get the broadest perspective you need to watch Russian, Chinese and Indian coverage too. If you do you will see just how bleak the winter outlook is and how oblivious the people are.

Right now MSM is just showing the Queens funeral and plans so it gives the government a few extra days but then they must deal with the big question, what will be done this winter. My uncle has just been told his annual 3000 energy bill could be fixed for a year at 7600!
 
For weeks cpleigh told us about the Ukrainians targetting bridges near kherson and several times destroying them. Even after we saw civilians uploading videos that they were usable. The Russians have actually been successful in structurally destroying the dam near Kriviy Rog.

This tells me that the Russians won't mobilise. They will change the way they operate, dsms/e.
 
It's offensive enough when people accuse the Ukrainians of being Nazis.

And then, the most offensive and evil poison of all, they effectively blame the Jews for the Holocaust.

But this sort of victim-blaming poison is really disgraceful.

Also to see young white socialists circulate actual National Socialist tropes about Jews.

It breaks my heart.

The internet and social media are to blame - it was supposed to make us smarter and bring us together. It had made us stupider, more divided, more ignorant and one-eyed.
 
The west controls 90% of social media used across the world. That is total dominance.

That is also why the Ukrainians and posters like cpleigh had a field day with the Kharkiv/Izyum counter offensive. Everyone was screaming loud and hard about the Russian collapse. It has now become very clear that the Russians had performed a controlled evacuation.

What??? Even the Russians don't believe that. What was controlled about it? They left all their equipment, enough to arm ukraine for a year.

You are absolutely embarrassing yourself now.
 
Basically you follow all western media but nothing from the east. To get the broadest perspective you need to watch Russian, Chinese and Indian coverage too. If you do you will see just how bleak the winter outlook is and how oblivious the people are.

Right now MSM is just showing the Queens funeral and plans so it gives the government a few extra days but then they must deal with the big question, what will be done this winter. My uncle has just been told his annual 3000 energy bill could be fixed for a year at 7600!
Is he growing a cannabis farm? You claim to be from the UK don't you? So how has he bill more than doubled when the cap has been set for 2 you years?

Russian and Chinese TV isn't free. Why do u keep ignoring that??? Its state controlled. They only report what their governments want them to report
 
So?

Is he the only doctor on planet Earth? Just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean he is highly intelligent. Even big names like Stephen Hawkins didn't call them intelligent and educated.

Of course a doctor is highly intelligent.

I don’t agree with all his positions. But broadly speaking I think he is on the side of the angels, and he has educated me with regard to certain historical events I was previously unaware of.
 
I think it’s best to ignore junaids. He types 100% like one of the people who believes everything his teachers taught him and MSM presents.

Some of his statements are not even worthy of a response such as "it's offensive enough people accuse Ukrainians of being Nazis" or that the Donbas referendums were bogus.
Of course the Donbas referenda were bogus.

Imagine that Bradford got taken over by a group of people who introduced Sharia for everyone.

Everybody would leave apart people who wanted to live under Sharia.

And if you then held a referendum amongst the people who stayed, they would vote for Sharia instead of remaining as part of the UK.

That’s why the Donbas referenda were an illegal sham.
 
Russian and Chinese TV isn't free. Why do u keep ignoring that??? Its state controlled. They only report what their governments want them to report

Indian coverage like NDTV, fair enough. Though even India appears to be falling into nationalist authoritarianism.
 
Kazakhstan to leave the Russian military alliance in 2023. Kazakhstan really have turned their back on Russia after the invasion.
 
Basically you follow all western media but nothing from the east. To get the broadest perspective you need to watch Russian, Chinese and Indian coverage too. !
You think I can enhance my information sources by following the propaganda outlets of two evil totalitarian dictatorships plus the media from an impoverished country run by religious nationalist bigots?

Those dumb British in World War 2. They should have listened to Goebbels and Stalin too.

You can’t get a broad perspective if you only consume news from objective sources with rules about editorial neutrality.

You have to balance it with propaganda from monsters.

Now I understand!
 
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Is he growing a cannabis farm? You claim to be from the UK don't you? So how has he bill more than doubled when the cap has been set for 2 you years?

Russian and Chinese TV isn't free. Why do u keep ignoring that??? Its state controlled. They only report what their governments want them to report

Large family, house and outbuilding. I have a traditional 3 bed semi and I pay around 2200 per year so the figure of 4000 is not unusual. The point is that bills are going up massively. If you want to understand the impact to people just read the energy forum in MoneySavingExpert forum. Every day loads of people worrying about the bills. Same in threads on tblods and social media.

I said Russian and Chinese media, doesn't have to be their state channels. Plenty of alternative coverage these days.

In fact once people turn to alternative media who often cut through the ** you often stick with it. My friends and family also prefer alternative media to MSM.
 
I have placed junaids on ignore because I don't feel discussing with him is of value. At least with cpleigh and Robert and others there is a level of maturity in the debates even if we have disagreements on many points.
[MENTION=145891]cpleigh[/MENTION] and [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] - State media isn't the only source of information there are multiple sources for information, those I refer to as alternative media. In fact alternative media is sometimes better because they don't have to follow the restrictive guidelines MSM have to.
 
Large family, house and outbuilding. I have a traditional 3 bed semi and I pay around 2200 per year so the figure of 4000 is not unusual. The point is that bills are going up massively. If you want to understand the impact to people just read the energy forum in MoneySavingExpert forum. Every day loads of people worrying about the bills. Same in threads on tblods and social media.

I said Russian and Chinese media, doesn't have to be their state channels. Plenty of alternative coverage these days.

In fact once people turn to alternative media who often cut through the ** you often stick with it. My friends and family also prefer alternative media to MSM.

what are they?

Bills are going up for everyone, and the Russia war is an easy excuse. The white elephant in the room that nobody wants to admit is you simply can't shut the world down for 2 years with consequences
 
Religion of Soros has nothing to do with his allegedly evil activities. Also, I am not sure if he is an actual Jew. The Satanic cabal doesn't follow any mainstream religion..
This post is incredibly disturbing.

George Soros has given away over $60 billion to charitable causes, most notably:

1. To end Apartheid in South Africa.
2. To reconstruct Eastern Europe after half a century of Communism.

Politically I am a Conservative, but I have noted with disgust over the last decade that the lunatic fringe extreme-right Neo-Fascists have adopted Soros as a bogeyman figure because:

1. They play on his (non-religious) Jewish identity as an anti-Semitic trope.
2. They are enraged at the end of Apartheid.

I am a Conservative, but I am clear that he is a billionaire philanthropist.

In contrast, Sheldon Adelson was an Orthodox Jewish billionaire who devoted his fortune to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem and to Trump and the right-wing of the Republican Party.
 
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what are they?

Bills are going up for everyone, and the Russia war is an easy excuse. The white elephant in the room that nobody wants to admit is you simply can't shut the world down for 2 years with consequences

They're not going up for everyone at the same rate - Russians and Chinese for example, even Hungary. are not seeing 2/3/4/5 times higher. All of these countries also suffered from the pandemic.
 
This post is incredibly disturbing.

George Soros has given away over $60 billion to charitable causes, most notably:

1. To end Apartheid in South Africa.
2. To reconstruct Eastern Europe after half a century of Communism.

Politically I am a Conservative, but I have noted with disgust over the last decade that the lunatic fringe extreme-right Neo-Fascists have adopted Soros as a bogeyman figure because:

1. They play on his (non-religious) Jewish identity as an anti-Semitic trope.
2. They are enraged at the end of Apartheid.

When I ran for a county council, some far right nutter accused me of being bankrolled by “Soros”.

If only!
 
This post is incredibly disturbing.

George Soros has given away over $60 billion to charitable causes, most notably:

1. To end Apartheid in South Africa.
2. To reconstruct Eastern Europe after half a century of Communism.

Politically I am a Conservative, but I have noted with disgust over the last decade that the lunatic fringe extreme-right Neo-Fascists have adopted Soros as a bogeyman figure because:

1. They play on his (non-religious) Jewish identity as an anti-Semitic trope.
2. They are enraged at the end of Apartheid.

I am a Conservative, but I am clear that he is a billionaire philanthropist.

In contrast, Sheldon Adelson was an Orthodox Jewish billionaire who devoted his fortune to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem and to Trump and the right-wing of the Republican Party.

You are not a proper conservative.

You have zero clue about Soros.
 
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It's sick. Absolutely sick. And it seems to be open slather among a Pakistani audience to call Zionism an evil. By all means criticise the occupation of the West bank, even Gaza.

But this sort of victim-blaming poison is really disgraceful.

I am sorry but if you think Zionism is not evil, I have to call you evil and ignorant.

Defending Zionism is a very pathetic thing to do.
 
I am sorry but if you think Zionism is not evil, I have to call you evil and ignorant.

Defending Zionism is a very pathetic thing to do.

The sad part is probably more than 95% of the public don't even know know what Zionism is and even less understand how they rose to power with "money lending".

There literally is nothing to gain by discussing this topic with those who refuse to even acknowledge basics of modern banking such as who controls the central banks - forces economic collapses etc.
 
I have placed junaids on ignore because I don't feel discussing with him is of value. At least with cpleigh and Robert and others there is a level of maturity in the debates even if we have disagreements on many points.

I agree.

His posts often include inaccurate statistics, hyperboles, and simply misinformation.

He can be the official mascot for CNN.
 
The sad part is probably more than 95% of the public don't even know know what Zionism is and even less understand how they rose to power with "money lending".

There literally is nothing to gain by discussing this topic with those who refuse to even acknowledge basics of modern banking such as who controls the central banks - forces economic collapses etc.

Some of these guys believe in official 9/11 story. Shocking really.

They seem to believe 100% of everything that comes out of mainstream media. They think platforms like CNN and BBC are free. Funny.

They are quick to be skeptical about Abrahamic religions. But, when it comes to mainstream media, their skepticism disappears.
 
Some of these guys believe in official 9/11 story. Shocking really.

They seem to believe 100% of everything that comes out of mainstream media. They think platforms like CNN and BBC are free. Funny.

They are quick to be skeptical about Abrahamic religions. But, when it comes to mainstream media, their skepticism disappears.

Don't derail the thread with conspiracy theories about 9/11.
 
Haavara Agreement.

You ZMSM folk clearly have no idea.

I suggest you challenge yourself.

Yup. There it is:

The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הֶסְכֵּם הַעֲבָרָה‎ Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.[1]

The agreement enabled Jews fleeing persecution under the new Nazi regime to transfer some portion of their assets to British Mandatory Palestine.[2] Emigrants sold their assets in Germany to pay for essential goods (manufactured in Germany) to be shipped to Mandatory Palestine.[3][4] The agreement was controversial and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement (such as the Revisionist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky) and outside it, as well as by members of both the NSDAP (Nazi Party) and the German public.[4] For German Jews, the agreement offered a way to leave an increasingly hostile environment in Germany; for the Yishuv, the Jewish community in Palestine, it offered access to both immigrant labour and economic support; for the Germans it facilitated the emigration of German Jews while breaking the anti-Nazi boycott of 1933, which had mass support among European and American Jews and was thought by the German state to be a potential threat to the German economy.[4][5]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement.
 
Volodymyr Zelenskiy makes surprise visit to newly recaptured city
Ukrainian president thanks paratroopers who took part in liberation of north-eastern city of Izium last week

The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, made a surprise visit to the frontline on Wednesday when he toured the north-eastern city of Izium, which Ukrainian forces recaptured last week as part of their stunning counteroffensive.

Zelenskiy said he was “very shocked” but not surprised by the scale of the damage to the city. He thanked the paratroopers who took part in Izium’s liberation and watched as the Ukrainian flag was raised in front of its gutted administration building.

“Our blue and yellow flag is already flying in de-occupied Izium. And it will be so in every Ukrainian city and village. We are moving in only one direction: forward towards victory,” he declared.

Zelenskiy held a minute’s silence for Ukrainian soldiers who died in recent fighting. He said the scene of “destroyed buildings” and “killed people” was reminiscent of Bucha, a Kyiv suburb where the Russian army executed hundreds of civilians in February and March.

Tank carcasses with Russia’s signature “Z” symbol dotted streets pitted with craters. There were dozens of bombed blocks of flats in the debris-strewn city centre. The Russians turned the inside of a church into an improvised hospital and blew up bridges as they left.

Zelenskiy’s secret trip underscored the dramatic success of Ukraine’s advance since the beginning of the month. His armed forces have reclaimed nearly 4,000 sq km (1,500 sq miles) of territory in the Kharkiv region, including 300 settlements, some of them directly on the border with Russia.

The Kremlin’s most prestigious battalions fled the overwhelming Ukrainian assault. Since taking Izium in April, Russia had transformed the city into a major garrison and large arms depot. At least 1,000 inhabitants were killed during this period, Ukrainian officials said.

There is now little prospect that Vladimir Putin will be able to fulfil his strategic military goal, announced in the spring, of “liberating” the entire Donbas region. Around half of Donetsk province remains in Ukrainian hands.

The Russians have retreated to the east bank of the Oskil River, about 10 miles from Izium. A pro-Russian separatist commander, quoted by the Moscow news agency Itar-Tass, claimed Ukrainian troops were now approaching the border of the so-called Luhansk People’s Republic.

The Russian army currently occupies the entire Luhansk region. But with Moscow’s servicemen demoralised, and with some units wiped out entirely, Ukraine seems likely to continue pushing its counter-offensive.

After six months of war, Moscow appears to be running out of heavy weapons and technology. In its latest intelligence briefing the UK’s Ministry of Defence said Iranian “kamikaze” drones bought by Moscow had been used for the first time in the battle for Kupiansk, a railway and supply hub north of Izium.

The Ukrainians shot down a Shahed-136 drone, it said. “Russia is almost certainly increasingly sourcing weaponry from other heavily sanctioned states like Iran and North Korea as its own stocks dwindle,” the ministry suggested. The German newspaper Bild confirmed the report, citing experts in Berlin.

Wednesday’s visit to Izium is not Zelenskiy’s first trip to the war-zone. He previously visited the cities of Lysychansk and Soledar, handing out medals to soldiers, when fierce fighting took place in May and June. Russia eventually seized Lysychansk and nearby Sievierodonetsk as part of its slow and grinding offensive.

The president’s aides contrasted Zelenskiy’s down-to-earth attitude with Putin’s alleged cowardice and aloofness. Russia’s president has not visited captured Ukrainian territory since launching his invasion in February.

“This is bravery and camaraderie. This is support and motivation for our defenders who see their supreme commander-in-chief is with them,” Anton Gerashchenko, a former adviser to Ukraine’s interior ministry, wrote of Zelenskiy. He added: “That’s very different from sitting in a bunker.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine’s defence ministry said it had discovered evidence of a Russian torture chamber in the newly freed city of Balakliia. Captives had scrawled the Lord’s Prayer on the wall and marked the number of days of their incarceration.

Police investigators say around 40 people were detained there during Russia’s occupation. One man, Artem, told the BBC he was tortured with electric shocks from a generator after Russian soldiers found a picture of his brother in uniform. He also said he had heard screams coming from other nearby rooms.

Mykhailo Podolyak, Zelenskiy’s senior aide, called on western nations to step up their supply of arms to Kyiv during what appears to be a pivotal moment in the war. They were needed to expel the Russians and to end the fighting speedily, he wrote on Twitter, adding: “Time for the final strike against the Evil Empire.”

Podolyak said Ukraine wanted more multiple launcher rocket systems to destroy Russian logistics centres in the rear, as well as tanks and armoured personnel carriers and air defences to protect critical infrastructure. More drones were also needed to better target enemy objects, he said.

Ukraine was continuing to make progress in its attempt to recapture the southern city of Kherson, located on the right bank of the Dnipro River. Natalia Humeniuk, spokesperson for Kyiv’s southern command, said three Russian ammunition dumps had been destroyed over the past 24 hours.

“The morale of Russian units is very low. They have seen the success of our armed forces in the east of Ukraine. They understand that if we are successful there we will also be successful where they are,” she said. She said the Russians’ “only option is to give up”.

Is the tide turning? Ukraine’s counteroffensive is changing the dynamic of war. Russia is on the back foot, for now at least. The sudden advance in the northeast will be good for morale in occupied Ukraine - and in the western capitals supporting Kyiv.

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We know there is no substitute for being there – and we’ll stay on the ground, as we did during the 1917 Russian Revolution, the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the first Russo-Ukrainian conflict in 2014. We have an illustrious, 200-year history of reporting throughout Europe in times of upheaval, peace and everything in between. We won’t let up now.

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Some of these guys believe in official 9/11 story. Shocking really.

They seem to believe 100% of everything that comes out of mainstream media. They think platforms like CNN and BBC are free. Funny.

They are quick to be skeptical about Abrahamic religions. But, when it comes to mainstream media, their skepticism disappears.

Who do you get information from, I get that there are many different places to get news but which news service do you recommend.
 
Who do you get information from, I get that there are many different places to get news but which news service do you recommend.

There is no one answer. It is not black and white.

I guess you can check different sources to get a balanced perspective.

Most important thing to check is whether or not things add up. Also, who benefits the most from that particular reporting.
 
Putin wanted to take Ukraine intact, then he wanted to partition Ukraine and take a good deal of it intact. However now that is no longer feasible he will destroy Ukraine's infrastructure (far more than before), and target civilian areas in a attempt for Ukraine to negotiate peace.

And Putin cannot lose face so I cant see him surrender land Russia conquered in Donbass nor the link to Crimea.
 
Look at a map from 1830 of the following Empires:

Habsburg Empire - all that is left now is Austria.
Ottoman Empire - all that is left now is Turkey.
British Empire - all that is left now is the UK.
French Empire - all that is left now is France.
Russian Empire - it's still intact now, from Europe to Central Asia to the Pacific Ocean.

The 1918 peace settlement went wrong not just because Germany had to pay reparations, but because Germany was left intact.

In 1945 we had learned from that - when you get an aggressive empire like the German Empire - or Russian Empire now - it needs to be dismembered.

Unfortunately for Russia, the oil and gas fields aren't actually in European Russia - they are in its colonised land in Siberia and Central Asia, and they will be the property of the newly independent nations.

Russia is already poor (same GDP as Australia with six times the population).

But once Russia loses its oil and gas fields to newly independent Asian countries, Russia will be Congo-level poor instead of Malaysia-level poor like it currently is.

Putin has basically condemned Russia to be stripped of its Empire. And what is left is going to be left as Russia is going to be dirt poor.

The demographics of those areas have changed. Most of those areas have a Russian majority or a large Russian minority. The non Russian land are the various "republics", however alot of those have a Russian majority as well.

And you cant call it a colony when its a part of Russia, and everyone has citizenship. This is the equivalent of calling the US, a colony as they conquered most of the land they have now.
 
The demographics of those areas have changed. Most of those areas have a Russian majority or a large Russian minority. The non Russian land are the various "republics", however alot of those have a Russian majority as well.

And you cant call it a colony when its a part of Russia, and everyone has citizenship. This is the equivalent of calling the US, a colony as they conquered most of the land they have now.

Under Yeltsin there was a move towards federalism for the old nations within Russia, but Putin treats them as terrifories to be ruled by his gangster capos with him as overboss. This is how Chechnya returned a ballot of 96% in favour of Putin at the last “election”.
 
Looks like a mass grave uncovered in Izyum. I dread to think what they'll eventually find in kherson and mariupol
 
Looks like a mass grave uncovered in Izyum. I dread to think what they'll eventually find in kherson and mariupol

We heard the same rubbish in Bucha and when the questions started to mount the MSM had to drop the story. It will be the same here too.

I have stated and many honest people have said, if the Russians wanted to they could have destroyed civilian infrastructure all over Ukraine but they didn't. They left the water, gas, electricity, Internet etc all running. So why would they do that but then commit war crimes? Does not make sense which therefore leads me to conclude once again the Ukrainians are lying.
 
We heard the same rubbish in Bucha and when the questions started to mount the MSM had to drop the story. It will be the same here too.

I have stated and many honest people have said, if the Russians wanted to they could have destroyed civilian infrastructure all over Ukraine but they didn't. They left the water, gas, electricity, Internet etc all running. So why would they do that but then commit war crimes? Does not make sense which therefore leads me to conclude once again the Ukrainians are lying.

The Russian Leaders and their soldiers are 2 different entities. Again... you are being ridiculous. They are digging the mass graves up for forensic evidence. Its isn't a lie.

Just for 1 second stop... think... and admit that the Russian soldiers mainly made up of poor, ethnic minorities who have been brainwashed by Russian TV to believe Ukranians are '****'... 'sub human'... and don't exist would very likely be capable of it.

The Russian army has got historical form for it.

The MSM didn't move on from it BTW
 
I have stated and many honest people have said, if the Russians wanted to they could have destroyed civilian infrastructure all over Ukraine but they didn't. They left the water, gas, electricity, Internet etc all running. So why would they do that but then commit war crimes? Does not make sense which therefore leads me to conclude once again the Ukrainians are lying.


I am sure that General Westmorland didn’t plan the Mai Lai atrocity, and yet it happened.

There’s a difference between strategic objectives and the actions of groups of soldiers on the ground running amok.
 
The demographics of those areas have changed. Most of those areas have a Russian majority or a large Russian minority. The non Russian land are the various "republics", however alot of those have a Russian majority as well.

And you cant call it a colony when its a part of Russia, and everyone has citizenship. This is the equivalent of calling the US, a colony as they conquered most of the land they have now.
The demographics of East Asia only became “white” when Stalin murdered 50,000 ethnic Chinese in Millionka in Vladivostok.

Biden has had a masterly war so far, but another opportunity is opening up now.

China is starting to see that Russia is not a powerful ally but rather a gangster state which is a burden dragging China down.

Biden needs to quietly speak with his Chinese counterpart and point out that all the other Russian colonies have returned to Chinese rule (eg Port Arthur) and that maybe he would rather get back Vladivostok next rather than Taiwan.

If Biden plays this well, he can effectively use the restoration of China’s lands which Russia currently occupies as a means to build up a US-China engagement based upon not having conflicting ambitions.

Don’t ever forget - Vladivostok is actually the Chinese city of Haisenwai.

China will only tolerate Russia for as long as it gains from that relationship - just like Hitler did in 1939-41.

But just as Hitler wanted to occupy the western USSR for lebensraum, China wants its land that remains occupied by Russia back. And as soon as the pros outweigh the cons, China will take it back.
 
Looks like a mass grave uncovered in Izyum. I dread to think what they'll eventually find in kherson and mariupol

Western sources are reporting the people were buried very quickly. Some have shown signs of torture others died and were found under rubble. Others during strikes from the Russians on building etc. We should be careful as in times of war and such crises mass graves are a way to quickly bury civilians to prevent the spread of disease and also obviously evidence. In some cases mass atrocities are hidden via mass graves and numbers matter in those situations. We should wait and see how many more such graves will be found. For example in Kashmir they found nearly 2500 in just one grave. ( obviously the west didn't care much for those ones but just giving an example not justifying)
 
The demographics of East Asia only became “white” when Stalin murdered 50,000 ethnic Chinese in Millionka in Vladivostok.

Biden has had a masterly war so far, but another opportunity is opening up now.

China is starting to see that Russia is not a powerful ally but rather a gangster state which is a burden dragging China down.

Biden needs to quietly speak with his Chinese counterpart and point out that all the other Russian colonies have returned to Chinese rule (eg Port Arthur) and that maybe he would rather get back Vladivostok next rather than Taiwan.

If Biden plays this well, he can effectively use the restoration of China’s lands which Russia currently occupies as a means to build up a US-China engagement based upon not having conflicting ambitions.

Don’t ever forget - Vladivostok is actually the Chinese city of Haisenwai.

China will only tolerate Russia for as long as it gains from that relationship - just like Hitler did in 1939-41.

But just as Hitler wanted to occupy the western USSR for lebensraum, China wants its land that remains occupied by Russia back. And as soon as the pros outweigh the cons, China will take it back.

Apart from disputed Crimea, Russia isn't occupying anything. Another factually inaccurate post.
 
Apart from disputed Crimea, Russia isn't occupying anything. Another factually inaccurate post.

They are occupying parts of Moldova since 1992.
Parts of Georgia since 2008
Parts of Ukraine since 2014
Kuril Islands since world war 2 I think
 
They are occupying parts of Moldova since 1992.
Parts of Georgia since 2008
Parts of Ukraine since 2014
Kuril Islands since world war 2 I think

Junaid wasn't referring to those.

He was talking about areas already under Russia (officially).

Those are not colonies. Those are under Russia officially; internationally recognized.
 
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Under Yeltsin there was a move towards federalism for the old nations within Russia, but Putin treats them as terrifories to be ruled by his gangster capos with him as overboss. This is how Chechnya returned a ballot of 96% in favour of Putin at the last “election”.

No question the leader of Chechnya is a thug, however Chechnya is subsidized by Russia. So per my original post you cant really call it a colony. Chechens are the ones benefiting right now from Russia and not the other way around.
 
Looks like a mass grave uncovered in Izyum. I dread to think what they'll eventually find in kherson and mariupol

If Ukraine take Mariupol it will be a defeat for Russia, imo they wont.

As for the mass graves the Ukranians claim this is the same as Bucha, which we know was a false claim by them.

The lies and propaganda by the Ukrainians is on par with the lies of the West state terrorism against Iraq.

Ukrainians are stretched now , smart move by Russians who are killing huge numbers of them in the South.
 
If Ukraine take Mariupol it will be a defeat for Russia, imo they wont.

As for the mass graves the Ukranians claim this is the same as Bucha, which we know was a false claim by them.

The lies and propaganda by the Ukrainians is on par with the lies of the West state terrorism against Iraq.

Ukrainians are stretched now , smart move by Russians who are killing huge numbers of them in the South.

I fear you are in for a rude awakening
 
I fear you are in for a rude awakening

Youve been saying Russians lost since page 2 :)))

You really dont understand anything about warfare or tactics, just what you read on BBC.

Ok, please predict when Mariupol will be 'liberated'?
 
Youve been saying Russians lost since page 2 :)))

You really dont understand anything about warfare or tactics, just what you read on BBC.

Ok, please predict when Mariupol will be 'liberated'?


There is no denying Russia is on a Blackfoot . Still to be seen where it leads.
 
Youve been saying Russians lost since page 2 :)))

You really dont understand anything about warfare or tactics, just what you read on BBC.

Ok, please predict when Mariupol will be 'liberated'?

By the spring. The west and Ukraine will spend all winter arming whilst Russia begs North Korea for Soviet era stuff.

Russia lost as soon as Kyiv didn't fall
 
By the spring. The west and Ukraine will spend all winter arming whilst Russia begs North Korea for Soviet era stuff.

Russia lost as soon as Kyiv didn't fall

Another 6 months to rearm? If in 6 months this conflict continuers you will see Russia using its state of the art missile systems to destroy most of Ukraine. Putin has stated, Russia hasnt even started war stage atm, its only still seeing this as a military operation.

Its only US which is now sending arms in large amounts, Europe seems to be stopping.

Zelensky will be talking to US arms dealers on Sept 21st. He is a puppet, helping the military industrial complex make billions while Ukranians die in huge numbers. US is laughing at Europe, they dont care too hoots for Ukraine.

Kyiv was never a target but you wont accept this.
 
Cpleigh says Russia will run out of weapons but RUSI, a British organisation explained why that's a false statement. I provided the link numerous times but he ignores it and chooses to believe Kyiv Independent.
 
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