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She is a trojan LD, what else are we going to expect? LDs have next to little understanding of economics, and love a good war and of course U-Turns.
In one area of kherson ukraine has advanced 40 km + and broken the russiann defence
Russia has even admitted they are outnumbered by the Ukrainians and are struggling to resupply and get the adequate reinforcements it's only a matter of time when they push back over the dnipro or fall back to shore up just kherson itself.
Ever since ukraine has used drones and precisionn artillery they have changed their fortunes on the battlefield in kherson they have managed this by blowing up all bridges that resupply the Russian frontline.
It's now pretty much clear russia doesn't have enough men they have become overstretched and they can't remobilie proper fighting men to get to the frontline they simply don't have them .
Russia has even admitted they are outnumbered by the Ukrainians and are struggling to resupply and get the adequate reinforcements it's only a matter of time when they push back over the dnipro or fall back to shore up just kherson itself.
Ever since ukraine has used drones and precisionn artillery they have changed their fortunes on the battlefield in kherson they have managed this by blowing up all bridges that resupply the Russian frontline.
It's now pretty much clear russia doesn't have enough men they have become overstretched and they can't remobilie proper fighting men to get to the frontline they simply don't have them .
Another reason russia has lost is due to their incompetent airforce and drone tech.
Ukraine has advanced air defence system which prevents russians to fly high , it doesn't really matter since russia airforce itself doesn't rely on precision guided munitions.
But these air defences prevents russian airforce to get close or fly high so they cannot support their ground troops
The aircraft that do get close are forced to fly at low levels and become targets for low altitude sam systems and manpads and ukraine has used them successfully.
Hence why you see the Russian airforce is absent . One would think their ground troops would just call in air support but they can't.
If russia wants to win this war it needs to take out those radars and air defence systems , it then can fly and high to mid altitude with no problem and support it's troops that way they won't need to worry about manpads or fly low.
But one they haven't got rid of the sam threat and 2 they simply don't have the guided munitions or the capability usaf so even then they would be ineffective in supporting their ground forces but clearing the sam threat they would still be able to bring heavy bomber aircraft and use carpet bombing, but they have to clear that sam threat hence why no tu 22 or tu142 is gonna give any air support
Ukraine has advanced air defence system which prevents russians to fly high , it doesn't really matter since russia airforce itself doesn't rely on precision guided munitions.
But these air defences prevents russian airforce to get close or fly high so they cannot support their ground troops
The aircraft that do get close are forced to fly at low levels and become targets for low altitude sam systems and manpads and ukraine has used them successfully.
Hence why you see the Russian airforce is absent . One would think their ground troops would just call in air support but they can't.
If russia wants to win this war it needs to take out those radars and air defence systems , it then can fly and high to mid altitude with no problem and support it's troops that way they won't need to worry about manpads or fly low.
But one they haven't got rid of the sam threat and 2 they simply don't have the guided munitions or the capability usaf so even then they would be ineffective in supporting their ground forces but clearing the sam threat they would still be able to bring heavy bomber aircraft and use carpet bombing, but they have to clear that sam threat hence why no tu 22 or tu142 is gonna give any air support
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I’m not going to lie a part of my brain(conspiracy theorist) thinks Russia walked into NATO’s plan to test their (NATO’s) new defense equipments in actual war scenario, while no country will be ready for war but NATO is the closest to that with scientific and mental preparation.
I hope I’m wrong.
I hope I’m wrong.
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Truss is not very bright. An ideologue not a pragmatist. Thinks in soundbites with very little deeper analysis.
[MENTION=154102]mazkhan[/MENTION] - Try reading material from both sides and look at maps from all sources. Yes the Russians are down on men, but that will soon change. These Ukrainian gains, do you have any idea the losses they are suffering for them? In kherson oblast the Ukrainians suffered more than 10k kia in just September.
As for the airforce not doing anything. Simple reason is the sheer volume of anti-air shoulder launchers that there are. Why risk $10million jets up against $200k missiles that every company has? Neither side is that stupid. The Russians at the start were performing 300+ sorties a day, now that's come down to around 150 according to Rybar.
Final point, the gloves haven't come off yet. We are all waiting for the Russians to give the order to their men to fight without an arm tied behind their back. Once that happens things will change very quickly.
As for the airforce not doing anything. Simple reason is the sheer volume of anti-air shoulder launchers that there are. Why risk $10million jets up against $200k missiles that every company has? Neither side is that stupid. The Russians at the start were performing 300+ sorties a day, now that's come down to around 150 according to Rybar.
Final point, the gloves haven't come off yet. We are all waiting for the Russians to give the order to their men to fight without an arm tied behind their back. Once that happens things will change very quickly.
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Elon Musk Tweets His 'Peace Plan' To End Ukraine War, Zelensky Responds
Elon Musk suggested that Crimea, which Moscow seized in 2014, be formally recognized as Russia, that water supply to Crimea be assured and that Ukraine remain neutral. He asked Twitter users to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the plan.
Elon Musk Tweets His 'Peace Plan' To End Ukraine War, Zelensky Responds
"Russia leaves if that is will of the people," Elon Musk wrote on Twiiter.
Kyiv: Billionaire Elon Musk on Monday asked Twitter users to weigh in on a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine that drew immediate condemnation from Ukrainians, including President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who responded with his own poll.
"Which @elonmusk do you like more?," Zelenskiy tweeted, offering two responses: one who supports Ukraine, one who supports Russia.
Elon Musk Tweets His 'Peace Plan' To End Ukraine War, Zelensky Responds
"Russia leaves if that is will of the people," Elon Musk wrote on Twiiter.
Kyiv: Billionaire Elon Musk on Monday asked Twitter users to weigh in on a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine that drew immediate condemnation from Ukrainians, including President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who responded with his own poll.
"Which @elonmusk do you like more?," Zelenskiy tweeted, offering two responses: one who supports Ukraine, one who supports Russia.
Musk, the world's richest person, proposed U.N.-supervised elections in four occupied regions that Moscow last week moved to annex after what it called referendums. The votes were denounced by Kyiv and Western governments as illegal and coercive.
"Russia leaves if that is will of the people," Musk wrote.
The Tesla Inc chief executive suggested that Crimea, which Moscow seized in 2014, be formally recognized as Russia, that water supply to Crimea be assured and that Ukraine remain neutral. He asked Twitter users to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the plan.
"Dear @elonmusk, when someone tries to steal the wheels of your Tesla, it doesn't make them legal owner of the car or of the wheels. Even though they claim both voted in favor of it. Just saying," Lithuania's President Gitanas Nausėda tweeted in response.
Musk, who is also chief executive of SpaceX, followed up his first tweet with another poll: "Let's try this then: the will of the people who live in the Donbas & Crimea should decide whether they're part of Russia or Ukraine."
He said he didn't care if his proposal was unpopular, arguing that he did care "that millions of people may die needlessly for an essentially identical outcome."
"Russia has >3 times population of Ukraine, so victory for Ukraine is unlikely in total war. If you care about the people of Ukraine, seek peace," he posted on Twitter.
In February, when Ukraine's internet was disrupted following Russia's invasion, Musk responded to a tweet by a Ukrainian government official seeking help. Musk said SpaceX's Starlink satellite broadband service was available in Ukraine and that SpaceX was sending more terminals to the country.
Ukraine's outspoken outgoing ambassador to Germany, Andriy Melnyk, had a blunt reaction to Musk's peace plan. Melnyk himself faced criticism in July for defending World War Two Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera.
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Elon Musk suggested that Crimea, which Moscow seized in 2014, be formally recognized as Russia, that water supply to Crimea be assured and that Ukraine remain neutral. He asked Twitter users to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the plan.
Elon Musk Tweets His 'Peace Plan' To End Ukraine War, Zelensky Responds
"Russia leaves if that is will of the people," Elon Musk wrote on Twiiter.
Kyiv: Billionaire Elon Musk on Monday asked Twitter users to weigh in on a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine that drew immediate condemnation from Ukrainians, including President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who responded with his own poll.
"Which @elonmusk do you like more?," Zelenskiy tweeted, offering two responses: one who supports Ukraine, one who supports Russia.
Elon Musk Tweets His 'Peace Plan' To End Ukraine War, Zelensky Responds
"Russia leaves if that is will of the people," Elon Musk wrote on Twiiter.
Kyiv: Billionaire Elon Musk on Monday asked Twitter users to weigh in on a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine that drew immediate condemnation from Ukrainians, including President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who responded with his own poll.
"Which @elonmusk do you like more?," Zelenskiy tweeted, offering two responses: one who supports Ukraine, one who supports Russia.
Musk, the world's richest person, proposed U.N.-supervised elections in four occupied regions that Moscow last week moved to annex after what it called referendums. The votes were denounced by Kyiv and Western governments as illegal and coercive.
"Russia leaves if that is will of the people," Musk wrote.
The Tesla Inc chief executive suggested that Crimea, which Moscow seized in 2014, be formally recognized as Russia, that water supply to Crimea be assured and that Ukraine remain neutral. He asked Twitter users to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the plan.
"Dear @elonmusk, when someone tries to steal the wheels of your Tesla, it doesn't make them legal owner of the car or of the wheels. Even though they claim both voted in favor of it. Just saying," Lithuania's President Gitanas Nausėda tweeted in response.
Musk, who is also chief executive of SpaceX, followed up his first tweet with another poll: "Let's try this then: the will of the people who live in the Donbas & Crimea should decide whether they're part of Russia or Ukraine."
He said he didn't care if his proposal was unpopular, arguing that he did care "that millions of people may die needlessly for an essentially identical outcome."
"Russia has >3 times population of Ukraine, so victory for Ukraine is unlikely in total war. If you care about the people of Ukraine, seek peace," he posted on Twitter.
In February, when Ukraine's internet was disrupted following Russia's invasion, Musk responded to a tweet by a Ukrainian government official seeking help. Musk said SpaceX's Starlink satellite broadband service was available in Ukraine and that SpaceX was sending more terminals to the country.
Ukraine's outspoken outgoing ambassador to Germany, Andriy Melnyk, had a blunt reaction to Musk's peace plan. Melnyk himself faced criticism in July for defending World War Two Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera.
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You have made that up. Nobody was getting giddy... Merely mocking Russia for starting a war to stop it happening
Can't both happen?
Please tell us whats happening?
It's very telling that prominent Russian twitter accts etc are pushing the Elon musk peace plan...
Quoting you and others elsewhere in a few months will be lots of fun.
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More losses for Russia in Ukraine, this time around Kherson.
Ukraine's long-telegraphed Kherson counter-offensive is making some headway along the western banks of the Dnipro river, between the villages of Zolota Balka and Dudchany around 100km north of the port city.
Russia's ministry of defence admitted on Monday that the Ukrainians had broken through Russian lines at Zolota Balka and Oleksandrivka, but that the Russians had taken up pre-prepared defensive positions and were continuing to inflict "massive fire on the enemy".
Just four days after Russia declared all this territory theirs, it doesn't look good for them. And Russian losses are appearing in the public domain, in a way that one month ago they would not have done. Russian military bloggers are documenting Russian setbacks to expanding groups of followers.
The likes of Ramzan Kadyrov, who incidentally has just announced he'll be sending his three teenage sons to fight (including his 14-year-old), has poured criticism on the Russian military command in charge of the Lyman debacle.
As has Evgeny Prigozhin, who recently revealed himself to nobody's great surprise as head of Russian mercenary group Wagner.
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Ukraine's long-telegraphed Kherson counter-offensive is making some headway along the western banks of the Dnipro river, between the villages of Zolota Balka and Dudchany around 100km north of the port city.
Russia's ministry of defence admitted on Monday that the Ukrainians had broken through Russian lines at Zolota Balka and Oleksandrivka, but that the Russians had taken up pre-prepared defensive positions and were continuing to inflict "massive fire on the enemy".
Just four days after Russia declared all this territory theirs, it doesn't look good for them. And Russian losses are appearing in the public domain, in a way that one month ago they would not have done. Russian military bloggers are documenting Russian setbacks to expanding groups of followers.
The likes of Ramzan Kadyrov, who incidentally has just announced he'll be sending his three teenage sons to fight (including his 14-year-old), has poured criticism on the Russian military command in charge of the Lyman debacle.
As has Evgeny Prigozhin, who recently revealed himself to nobody's great surprise as head of Russian mercenary group Wagner.
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Russia taking a beating today.
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*withdrawal.
Must be planning to regroup in the river.
Must admith the Russians do like to leave a LOT of equip behind in their 'withdrawls'
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They could use laser-guided bombs from higher altitude to obviate the shoulder fired SAMs. They do have such munitions?
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Any assumption of a withdrawal is akin to water rescinding at shore before a Tsunami.
Russia has won the economic war which Liberal/NATO bots refuse to counter (we all know why), and now Russia is gifting an early xmas present to Europe, which will be refunded at a cost come boxing day.
Russia has won the economic war which Liberal/NATO bots refuse to counter (we all know why), and now Russia is gifting an early xmas present to Europe, which will be refunded at a cost come boxing day.
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Been hilarious in the past 6 months, though now Liberal/NATO bots have something to pipe up about, albeit in vain.
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10 steps forwards for Russia, 1 step back.
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This is a weird way of arguing, its Ukrainian homeland so they will obviously fight it out and have more numbers to lose to free themselves.
It's kinda like in saying Middle-east wars of US that just because the number of US soldiers died were low means they were winning it.
ah... we are now at the stage where you can actually see Ukraine is making Huge GAINS but now your're telling yourself 'but we are killing loads'
All of which you have absolutely no proof of... just read about it on Russian Telegram channels and Russian state media.
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But it is not Ukraine that is fighting it out, it is Ukraine plus NATO. Ukraine did sweet FA when Russia annexed Crimea.
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Yeah but Russia went full berzerk, my point is on comparison, I think middleast wars were costly and mistake from US, but from [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] logic just because US had less casualties and occupied the entire land, it was a victory? Those are double standards.
Keep telling yourself that.... NATO hasn't got a single boot on the ground.
Thankfully for Russia
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No you keep telling yourself UK is in 2 Billion debt and NATO doesn't fund or arm Ukraine.
Oh and Ukraine has never applied to join NATO.
I am not interested in the Tik Tok Flop generation.
No you keep telling yourself UK is in 2 Billion debt and NATO doesn't fund or arm Ukraine.
Oh and Ukraine has never applied to join NATO.
I am not interested in the Tik Tok Flop generation.
NATO may fund Ukraine, but its has no soldiers there. So you are wrong again.
Keep flip flopping, no idea what the UK debt has got to do with the Russia war
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Save the pedantry. NATO doesn't need boots on the ground to be at war. Honestly you millennials. Yes I mentioned UK debt to highlight your lack of knowledge and understanding in this thread, the same for your claims that Ukraine never applied to join NATO or EU.
Let us know when your MSM feed is updated.
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Russia didn’t go berserk in Crimea. They covertly supported an insurrection by ethnic Russian militia groups n response to the Euromaidan. The Night Wolves motorcycle club (Russian paramilitary group) assisted. Russian special forces seized the Crimean parliament building and “green men” -Russian soldiers without insignia - seized other facilities such as news broadcasters and power stations.
The Ukraine army was in a “decrepit” state in 2014 but has been transformed into the much larger and more resilient force of today by a combination of mass volunteering, giving junior officers the authority to act on their own initiative, and heavy investment by USA.
https://theconversation.com/in-2014...utton-eight-years-later-its-paying-off-177881
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ME wars were not land grabs but mainly resource grabs (oil). Different type of wars for different purposes.
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I would expect special forces from NATO member states and aligned countries to be there as trainers.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/...ry-training-mission-for-ukraine-in-principle/
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I meant by Berzerk now...
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I think he is talking about extra judicial arrests and imprisonments of alleged co conspirators of those who assisted Russians.
I am sure it’s the first time in his life he has expressed concerns about the lack of due process, considering he hails from india, famous for its adherence to the rule of law and rights of all…
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You can say it’s a withdrawal if you have the troops, weapons and organisation to fight for another day.
However this isn’t a withdrawal but retreating from a certain strategic defeat because the Russians are getting outnumbered are are also being overpowered by much better weapons against a determined organised opposition.
Putin is now throwing his last ditch attempt to force the average Russian to fight this insane war of choice.
Winter is coming so this may stall the Ukraine advance in the medium term but at the moment the Russian forces are collapsing because their supply lines are also being shut down.
absolutely, but no NATO soldier has fired a weapon in anger.
Like i said, just as well for Russia.
44 tanks lost yesterday by Russia... 44 in a day. The US lost 37 in the entire Iraq war
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Seems like they're being beaten in Kherson.
I said before until they mobilise their proper army, this paper tiger won't win against Ukrainians wanting their country back armed to the teeth with NATO weapons.
I said before until they mobilise their proper army, this paper tiger won't win against Ukrainians wanting their country back armed to the teeth with NATO weapons.
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Well it seems Russia has more than a bloody nose. They have taken a beating last 2 days. Why do they keep leaving all the equipment behind. Makes no sense...
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And we have stacked up our military with Soviet/Russian stuff for 75+ years. #Gulp
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Yours will be serviced and maintained though.
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Well it seems Russia has more than a bloody nose. They have taken a beating last 2 days. Why do they keep leaving all the equipment behind. Makes no sense...
They don’t want to fight Putin’s war.
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It’s always the same. The invading army always has less motivation than the natives. Example usa in Iraq or Afghanistan
I'm actually on putins side
But I was critical from the start that the war is a trap , when russia initially went in it became pretty clear they were gonna get bogged down .
Their conventional performance has been beyond poor , its a paper tiger and most of its weapons are simply overhyped junk and military doctrine tactics that are simply outdated .
Now with this humiliating loss , economic sanctions it looks dire for this regime , it will speed up their demise I think the west have ready made replacement in navalny who will end the antagonist version of russia and bring it into the western European zionist sphere forever and since most russians are white Europeans they want to live a life like rest of the west and western Liberal culture so the transition will be easy. Russia will be balkanised by the zionists and eventually you might even see the European part joining the eu.
Putin won't survive this loss its too humiliating for russia.
But I was critical from the start that the war is a trap , when russia initially went in it became pretty clear they were gonna get bogged down .
Their conventional performance has been beyond poor , its a paper tiger and most of its weapons are simply overhyped junk and military doctrine tactics that are simply outdated .
Now with this humiliating loss , economic sanctions it looks dire for this regime , it will speed up their demise I think the west have ready made replacement in navalny who will end the antagonist version of russia and bring it into the western European zionist sphere forever and since most russians are white Europeans they want to live a life like rest of the west and western Liberal culture so the transition will be easy. Russia will be balkanised by the zionists and eventually you might even see the European part joining the eu.
Putin won't survive this loss its too humiliating for russia.
Have you seen footage or polls from the public in Russia? Putin is more popular now than before believe it or not. The political analysts believe that part of it is the west 's russophobia.
The Russians want to defeat nato...with Putin as their leader at the end.
By the way why does everyone think nsvalny would get a shot? The Russians would kick him out before a single western leaning policy was implemented. He has around 12% of the support compared to around 56% for Putin. It will be even more lopsided now given the response from the Russian public to the sanctions.
Have you?... i mean real ones NOT controlled by the Kremlin?
You haven't, so stop pretending you know anything about Russia
The saddest tweet I’ve read so far….
“A torture chamber built by the Russian fascists was revealed in liberated Pisky-Rad’kivs’ke, Kharkiv region.
Gold fillings and dentures were found, removed from Ukrainians who were tortured and murdered at the site.
American liberators found the same at Buchenwald in 1945.“
“A torture chamber built by the Russian fascists was revealed in liberated Pisky-Rad’kivs’ke, Kharkiv region.
Gold fillings and dentures were found, removed from Ukrainians who were tortured and murdered at the site.
American liberators found the same at Buchenwald in 1945.“
I certainly have. I've told you about the videos on social media, YouTube, rumble etc from the average Russian civilian. The average Russian was impartial to the west prior to the SMO. Thanks to the russophobia which I've explained numerous times, they are no longer impartial.
What exactly does banning Russian athletes and teams from events achieve? It builds anger in the average Russian towards those who ban them and not their leadership.
The west banned Russians from sporting events in the hope that somehow it would put pressure on the leadership. Instead the average Russian was coming on social media and asking why we're American athletes allowed to participate whilst they illegally invaded Iraq, Afghanistan?
The Russians besieged in Kherson on the left bank have three choices left:
1. Starve to death
2. Freeze to death
3. Surrender
For the first time there is no exit to run away through. No “strategic withdrawal” from Kherson!
1. Starve to death
2. Freeze to death
3. Surrender
For the first time there is no exit to run away through. No “strategic withdrawal” from Kherson!
why should Russians enjoy all their freedoms whilst they are bombing and murdering Civillians?
Another common mistake of the MSM and their followers is that they think the average Russian wants to see this end because of the financial trouble Russian is in. They don't, you can see clearly the Russians are financially doing better than Europe right now and from social media they want to win the war vs NATO and their proxy at all costs.
If anything Putin is under pressure from the public for conducting the operation trying to avoid civilian casualties. Just 5 minutes on twitter and telegram and you will see how angry some are.
Putin is smart in that way, he let's enough time to pass to get an idea of the public mood, once he is sure of support for a move he then makes it knowing that there will close to no protest.
If anything Putin is under pressure from the public for conducting the operation trying to avoid civilian casualties. Just 5 minutes on twitter and telegram and you will see how angry some are.
Putin is smart in that way, he let's enough time to pass to get an idea of the public mood, once he is sure of support for a move he then makes it knowing that there will close to no protest.
The average Russian doesn't see it that way. They ask why we're American and British athletes allowed to participate during the Iraq war.
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That might change is he was actually allowed to campaign. This is not a free and open society.
Well maybe they should ask their Government
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Which is a fair question.
But Russia was thrown out by the IOC for mass state-sponsored cheating and blood-doping, not warfare.
That’s not the reason they were banned from Wimbledon for example.
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You’re a smart lad, you can’t honestly be this naive.
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It was something on twitter, was NY Times actually. But still i think they have jumped the gun, it would be hugley suprising. Maybe they have secured the Dam and the bridge over it
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It is getting very embarrassing for russia. Som big defeats in the last few days. Not enough to hurt putin just yet. He has some Gas left in the tank will be interesting few months.
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Kherson is a city which hasnt fallen? A few villages with little to no soldiers have been entered.
I suggest to Nato war cheerleaders to provide sources for their news, as over this thread you guys have been made to look silly, time after time.
Russia continues to control approx 20% of Ukraine after 6 months, inc all the vital strategic areas.
Any areas Ukraine has retaken are a result of Russian strategy. But this will change soon when Russia starts its own offensive. Thousands of aircraft are parked on the border, ready to enter. Hundreds of thousands of troops are ready to enter with high tech equipment. Russia hasnt really started a war with Ukraine, its still in military operation stage but this will soon change.
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I think its you who is naive. Putin has huge support in Russia while European governments are falling like cards because the people are waking up to realise their leaders are puppets.
Ukraine wants to join Nato, US, UK and others say NO. It has been clear all along the west do not care for Ukranians but want to use their blood for a proxy war.
I think once the Russian attack starts, many Ukranians will want an end and eventually Ukraine will be controlled by Russia.
Western policies have been the most idiotic in history.
Do you actually believe what you've just typed?... Tens of thousands of aircraft?... What?? They don't even own a fraction of that.
Hundreds of thousands of troops? You mean old men and alcoholics....
The delusion is strong ... Oh btw Ukraine hasn't even commited most of its troops yet
I think its you who is naive. Putin has huge support in Russia while European governments are falling like cards because the people are waking up to realise their leaders are puppets.
Ukraine wants to join Nato, US, UK and others say NO. It has been clear all along the west do not care for Ukranians but want to use their blood for a proxy war.
I think once the Russian attack starts, many Ukranians will want an end and eventually Ukraine will be controlled by Russia.
Western policies have been the most idiotic in history.
Which European govs have fallen? What are u talking about???
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Please learn to read basic English before calling others deluded. I wrote thousands of aircraft.
Russian soldiers are braver and better fighters than British soldiers.
Youve been stating Ukraine have won for months now, yet Russia controls nearly 1/5th of their so called territory, while Ukraine is in ruins and perhaps your grandparents and those of many Brits are freezing in their homes.
Get with reality not fantasy.
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Have you not read the news of Italy? It seems only the Brits like you are willing to suffer for some village in Eastern Ukraine.
Even you wont die for Ukraine and Nato doesnt want Ukraine to be part of them, as this would mean actually having to fight not sitting back cheerleading.
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The leader of the new government in Italy has also given her full support to Ukraine.
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What more support can Ukraine need to defeat Russia? ITs the Yanks who are providing everything now. OF course European leaders support Nato.
My point was Europeans want to an end to the high cost of living so governments are falling. Now Russia has cut off gas to Italy, the desperation of Europeans will only grow.
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Of course a despot who controls the media, doesn’t allow rivals to campaign, and assassinates hundreds of critical journalists is going to remain in power. Whereas democracies with freedom of their press change their leaders when their electorates change their minds.
Is this really the model of government that you want?
You're the fantasist... They don't own a 5th anymore, and are losing their gains at an alarming rate.
No Brits are freezing, you are a deluded fool.
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Please dont patronise Russians, they are very smart people , much smater than the average Brit in most areas but especially in terms of politics.
Again, Putin came about when Russians were eating soup out of plastic bowls, driving Ladas and Skodas, now its once against a superpower turning Europe back to the middle ages.
Its best to put away this patriotic James Bond nonsense and accept Russia isnt going anywhere. Peace is the only way forward esp agaisnt a nation which can wipe out the UK with one bomb.
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