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What more support can Ukraine need to defeat Russia? ITs the Yanks who are providing everything now. OF course European leaders support Nato.

My point was Europeans want to an end to the high cost of living so governments are falling. Now Russia has cut off gas to Italy, the desperation of Europeans will only grow.

It’s 33C in Rome today. They can build solar farms sharp quick.

You are assuming that Putin will turn on the gas taps again if Western governments disavow Ukraine.

I don’t think he will.
 
Have you not read the news of Italy? It seems only the Brits like you are willing to suffer for some village in Eastern Ukraine.

Even you wont die for Ukraine and Nato doesnt want Ukraine to be part of them, as this would mean actually having to fight not sitting back cheerleading.

The news? Italians voted for a new government, that's a democracy. Something u struggle to grasp
 
It’s 33C in Rome today. They can build solar farms sharp quick.

You are assuming that Putin will turn on the gas taps again if Western governments disavow Ukraine.

I don’t think he will.

Italy has sourced it's gas elsewhere anyway. This threat of turning the gas off isn't really much of a threat
 
You're the fantasist... They don't own a 5th anymore, and are losing their gains at an alarming rate.

No Brits are freezing, you are a deluded fool.

You accept you didnt read properly, well done. Please keep this up from now on.

How much do they control? Its over 100,000 sqkm. They have owned Crimea since 2014 yet you think Ukraine won back in March. :))

You really have no idea what is happening in your own country and yet claim you know whats going on in Ukraine lol. We know who the fool is.

Here is the an report from the UK for this year. I would say write to them but your English is poor.

"Big Zero Report 2022
Old people could literally freeze to death due to soaring energy prices this winter says Age UK. "
 
I think its you who is naive. Putin has huge support in Russia while European governments are falling like cards because the people are waking up to realise their leaders are puppets.

Ukraine wants to join Nato, US, UK and others say NO. It has been clear all along the west do not care for Ukranians but want to use their blood for a proxy war.

I think once the Russian attack starts, many Ukranians will want an end and eventually Ukraine will be controlled by Russia.

Western policies have been the most idiotic in history. :))

Which European government has fallen??
 
It’s 33C in Rome today. They can build solar farms sharp quick.

You are assuming that Putin will turn on the gas taps again if Western governments disavow Ukraine.

I don’t think he will.

The damage has been done a long time ago, read back a few pages. Italians were turning off lights back in August.

Putin has new buyers now, he can bleed Europe and will but you carry on cheerleading war Robert.
 
I just got back from Europe . Eevrything is fine for now. Most europeans counties will get through the winter without a hitch.
 
The damage has been done a long time ago, read back a few pages. Italians were turning off lights back in August.

Putin has new buyers now, he can bleed Europe and will but you carry on cheerleading war Robert.

Indeed.

Plus whether its 33C or 5C, solar panels do not work on hot it is, but intensity of light.

No wonder Europeans are struggling; lack of basic scientific understanding but panache for war.
 
The damage has been done a long time ago, read back a few pages. Italians were turning off lights back in August.

Putin has new buyers now, he can bleed Europe and will but you carry on cheerleading war Robert.

Who are his new buyers than would replace Europe?
 
BRICS +

China and India mainly.

India Is New Major Player in Russian Oil Market Once Dominated by China

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ey-russian-oil-market-once-dominated-by-china

The world is about to change .

The BRICS countries are working on establishing a new reserve currency to better serve their economic interests, according to Pavel Knyazev, Deputy Director of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Foreign Policy Planning Department. The new currency will be based on a basket of the currencies of the five-nation bloc: the Chinese RMB Yuan, the Russian Ruble, the Indian Rupee, the Brazilian Real and the South African Rand.

“The possibility and prospects of setting up a common single currency based on a basket of currencies of the BRICS countries is being discussed,” Knyazev said during a discussion about expanding BRICS and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, adding that member states are “actively studying mechanisms” to exchange financial information to develop a reliable alternative for international payments.

https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2022/10/04/brics-working-to-develop-a-new-reserve-currency/
 
Kherson is a city which hasnt fallen? A few villages with little to no soldiers have been entered.

I suggest to Nato war cheerleaders to provide sources for their news, as over this thread you guys have been made to look silly, time after time.

Russia continues to control approx 20% of Ukraine after 6 months, inc all the vital strategic areas.

Any areas Ukraine has retaken are a result of Russian strategy. But this will change soon when Russia starts its own offensive. Thousands of aircraft are parked on the border, ready to enter. Hundreds of thousands of troops are ready to enter with high tech equipment. Russia hasnt really started a war with Ukraine, its still in military operation stage but this will soon change.

?????? Since when I am a NATO cheerleader, what are you on about. And you especially who's read my posts all over PP. Read my posts in the thread and you'll know what an absurdity your point is and stop having the emotional capacity of a grape.

I am glad though Technics showed you who he really was, so maybe your judgemental skills on people aren't the best
 
Please learn to read basic English before calling others deluded. I wrote thousands of aircraft.

Russian soldiers are braver and better fighters than British soldiers.

Youve been stating Ukraine have won for months now, yet Russia controls nearly 1/5th of their so called territory, while Ukraine is in ruins and perhaps your grandparents and those of many Brits are freezing in their homes.

Get with reality not fantasy.

Modern Russian soldiers are conscripts or national servicemen with a further decline in quality since mobilisation. Ukraine is running a surrender hotline for them

All British soldiers are volunteer professionals.

While there are some 3800 Russian Air Force combat aircraft of all types, one wonders how many are serviceable and how many weapons actually work given the massive corruption in procurement.

Here’s what Al Jazeera says about territory,,,

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...ths-of-territory-despite-russias-mobilisation
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]


The Russians won't win this war with 90,000 fighting men. This is my point.

Which part of that sentence do you disagree with? If you agree with the sentence then you're as much of a cheerleader of NATO as me.
 
<b>Ukraine takes swaths of territory, despite Russia’s mobilisation</b>

<i>In the 32nd week of the war, advances in east and south show Kyiv is maintaining its counteroffensive momentum, while Moscow is pulling back forces from Crimea.</I>

Russia’s mobilisation of 200,000 conscripts seems to have had no impact during the 32nd week of the war, as Ukrainian forces recapture more territory in the east and south of the country.

On September 30, Ukrainian forces advancing from Izyum surrounded Lyman in the eastern Donetsk region and recaptured the town the following day. The spectacular encirclement of the strategic town and an expanse of surrounding territory trapped Russian personnel trying to flee.

Ukraine’s general staff said its forces discovered a convoy of civilian cars near Shchastya containing 200 Russian soldiers from the Second Army Corps escaping Lyman.

“There has been a decrease in the level of moral and psychological state of enemy personnel, leading to numerous instances of soldiers … abandoning their positions,” said the general staff.

The fall of Lyman came on the very day Russia fielded new troops from its September 21 compulsory mobilisation.

In an address to the Ukrainian people on October 3, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said these Russian reinforcements were already being killed.

“Among the dead occupiers, we can already see those who were taken just a week or two ago. People were not trained for combat, they have no experience to fight in such a war,” Zelenskyy said.

“But the Russian command just needs some people – any kind – to replace the dead. And when these new ones die, more people will be sent. This is how Russia fights. That’s how it will lose, as well.”

Lyman was considered a major logistics hub for Russian forces. In Ukrainian hands, it could speed up counterattacks in the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces and strengthen partisan action behind enemy lines.

Meanwhile, the militia of the pro-Russian self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic said it had repulsed “repeated attempts” by Ukrainian forces to break through to the oil refinery at Lysychansk, the last city to fall to Russian forces in that region on July 3. The militia also reported “fierce battles” for neighbouring Kreminna.

Despite this, Russian forces in the east doggedly stuck to an advance towards Bakhmut, a transport node in Donetsk they have been trying to capture for weeks.

Three days after the fall of Lyman, Ukraine’s southern forces scored a major victory, too, advancing 30km (18.6 miles) down the west bank of the Dnieper River – their most rapid advance of the war.

In a single attack, they destroyed 31 Russian tanks, Ukraine’s southern command said. The following day Ukrainian marines recaptured Davydiv Brid in the Kherson region, and a separate advance into Kherson from the west retook the town of Myrolyubivka.

Russian military correspondent Alexander Sladkov told Rossya1 television station that 17 towns had returned to Ukrainian control.

Should it continue, Ukraine’s recapture of the west bank of the Dnieper River could leave an estimated 25,000 Russian soldiers stranded.

“The fact we have broken through the front means that … the Russian army has already lost the ability to attack, and today or tomorrow, it could lose the ability to defend,” Oleh Zhdanov, a military analyst based in Kyiv, told the Reuters news agency.


<b>Russia redeploys personnel from Crimea</b>

Ukraine’s deputy chief of military intelligence, Vadym Skibitskiy, told the news website Krym.Realii that Russia had redeployed Black Sea Fleet service personnel from the Sevastopol naval base in Crimea to Novorossiysk, southern Russia, to avoid casualties, after a series of explosions.

Crimea, annexed by Russia in 2014, has acted as a staging area for Russian personnel and equipment, supporting the invasion of Kherson and Zaporizhia in the early days of the war.

Ukraine has made clear it wants the peninsula back and has made devastating use of 16 US-supplied High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) in its September counteroffensives.

On October 1, a lend-lease facility that speeds up the supply of US weapons came into force, and in two separate announcements, the US Department of Defense said it is sending Ukraine 22 new HIMARS rocket launchers and ammunition.

The head of Ukrainian intelligence services predicted that after a lull for the European winter, Ukrainian forces would likely enter Crimea by the end of spring, in mid-2023. Kyrylo Budanov said Russia’s mobilisation would not present a challenge.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...ths-of-territory-despite-russias-mobilisation
 
The damage has been done a long time ago, read back a few pages. Italians were turning off lights back in August.

Putin has new buyers now, he can bleed Europe and will but you carry on cheerleading war Robert.

I am typing from Rome. All the lights are on. I just had a nice trattoria meal with Mrs Robert sitting outside in balmy evening weather.
 
I am typing from Rome. All the lights are on. I just had a nice trattoria meal with Mrs Robert sitting outside in balmy evening weather.

I hope you and Mrs Robert are having a great time.

But there are many reductions in Italy.

If you manage to talk to some Italians, it would be interesting to hear if they are willing to suffer high energy prices, loss of jobs in support of Ukraine, do let us know.
 
BRICS +

China and India mainly.

India Is New Major Player in Russian Oil Market Once Dominated by China

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ey-russian-oil-market-once-dominated-by-china

I have shared the same news, India’s loyalty is just to its citizens not to Russia or Europe, if tomorrow Saudi sells it for less we would go there, the only reason India is doing this is because Russian has made its own deal with India, it’s not buying at market prices like Europe used to.
 
I hope you and Mrs Robert are having a great time.

But there are many reductions in Italy.

If you manage to talk to some Italians, it would be interesting to hear if they are willing to suffer high energy prices, loss of jobs in support of Ukraine, do let us know.

They won't long term as Russia is not North Korea which can be boycotted.

I expect normality next year or the year after in countries going back to Russians as with China gaining ground in the Pacific
 
I hope you and Mrs Robert are having a great time.

But there are many reductions in Italy.

If you manage to talk to some Italians, it would be interesting to hear if they are willing to suffer high energy prices, loss of jobs in support of Ukraine, do let us know.

You will get a true picture if winter is cold and long. I hope it’s not because I enjoy milder weather. The tune of the pro-Ukrainians will change quickly.
 
I have shared the same news, India’s loyalty is just to its citizens not to Russia or Europe, if tomorrow Saudi sells it for less we would go there, the only reason India is doing this is because Russian has made its own deal with India, it’s not buying at market prices like Europe used to.

No the point on loyalty.

The point is India is buying oil from Russia, and the trade is off setting losses from trade in Europe.

And yes, Russia is selling oil to India and China at a discount rate,
 
I hope you and Mrs Robert are having a great time.

But there are many reductions in Italy.

If you manage to talk to some Italians, it would be interesting to hear if they are willing to suffer high energy prices, loss of jobs in support of Ukraine, do let us know.

I have friends in Italy who live outside of the tourist cities such as Rome, and they are indeed cutting back on heating, electricity, gas due to high prices.

Of course, the Italian government will redirect rationed energy to cities like Rome, because if they do not, then it will result in loss of revenue, which will plunge Italy into further darkness.

Little do these NATO warmongers know, that there is life outside of the main cities.
 
?????? Since when I am a NATO cheerleader, what are you on about. And you especially who's read my posts all over PP. Read my posts in the thread and you'll know what an absurdity your point is and stop having the emotional capacity of a grape.

I am glad though Technics showed you who he really was, so maybe your judgemental skills on people aren't the best

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]


The Russians won't win this war with 90,000 fighting men. This is my point.

Which part of that sentence do you disagree with? If you agree with the sentence then you're as much of a cheerleader of NATO as me.

My apologies, I wasnt referring to you, poor wording. But in general Nato cheerleaders are using info which is just not true, but not their fault since they put their trust in BBC/CNN.

However being a Brit, I would say you should support a peace deal. Britain cannot take on Russia, it will will fail. Being neutural isnt a great option to be British.

Russians can win this war in a single day with a barrage of hypersonic missiles but their aim is to secure their regions and then come to a peace deal with Ukraine.

Russia is on the verge of a major operation, 300,000k + aircraft and other weapons are about to roll in.

When Nato said it wouldnt allow Ukraine to join, it was a green light for Putin to end this in a bloody attack.

Also Putin is liberating people, you should also accept this.

Btw I play the ball not the man, I dont hold grudges on a forum unless its far right or RSS who are here to spread hate.
 
I have friends in Italy who live outside of the tourist cities such as Rome, and they are indeed cutting back on heating, electricity, gas due to high prices.

Of course, the Italian government will redirect rationed energy to cities like Rome, because if they do not, then it will result in loss of revenue, which will plunge Italy into further darkness.

Little do these NATO warmongers know, that there is life outside of the main cities.

Thanks, it makes sense why Italians have voted in their new PM, they dont want to suffer because of some village in Ukraine.

Yet MSM are very hush, after the biggest terrorist attack in the west since 911! Attacking the Nord stream pipelines was imo a message to Europe to say you cant stop this now, you will have to support this even if it means you going back to the dark ages.

Its sad how weak Europe is , it has no self rule and are vessels of USA and Israel.
 
I have friends in Italy who live outside of the tourist cities such as Rome, and they are indeed cutting back on heating, electricity, gas due to high prices.

Of course, the Italian government will redirect rationed energy to cities like Rome, because if they do not, then it will result in loss of revenue, which will plunge Italy into further darkness.

Little do these NATO warmongers know, that there is life outside of the main cities.

Stop lying. That's what u are doing... Lying. Nobody in italy has any heating on in october
 
Thanks, it makes sense why Italians have voted in their new PM, they dont want to suffer because of some village in Ukraine.

How so if the new PM still.fully supports Ukraine? What you say would make sense if the new PM did not support Ukraine. Under this new PM Italiams will still be suffering because of some village in Ukraine.
 
How so if the new PM still.fully supports Ukraine? What you say would make sense if the new PM did not support Ukraine. Under this new PM Italiams will still be suffering because of some village in Ukraine.

He's a cretin. Absolute idiot.
 
How so if the new PM still.fully supports Ukraine? What you say would make sense if the new PM did not support Ukraine. Under this new PM Italiams will still be suffering because of some village in Ukraine.

Its very simple.

Meloni condemned Russias invasion of Ukraine. Alll European leaders will say such things to keep the EU , USA happy,

However.

But she opposed EU sanctions on Russia after the annexation of Crimea in 2014. And in her 2021 book I Am Giorgia she wrote that Putin’s Russia “defends European values ​​and Christian identity”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/c...ger-to-italy-and-the-rest-of-europe-far-right

She is very similar to Orban of Hungary.
 
My apologies, I wasnt referring to you, poor wording. But in general Nato cheerleaders are using info which is just not true, but not their fault since they put their trust in BBC/CNN.

However being a Brit, I would say you should support a peace deal. Britain cannot take on Russia, it will will fail. Being neutural isnt a great option to be British.

Russians can win this war in a single day with a barrage of hypersonic missiles but their aim is to secure their regions and then come to a peace deal with Ukraine.

Russia is on the verge of a major operation, 300,000k + aircraft and other weapons are about to roll in.

When Nato said it wouldnt allow Ukraine to join, it was a green light for Putin to end this in a bloody attack.

Also Putin is liberating people, you should also accept this.

Btw I play the ball not the man, I dont hold grudges on a forum unless its far right or RSS who are here to spread hate.

Fair enough, I appreciate your words.

As for the war I don't know about this upcoming winter but I don't think the Russians can be sidelined forever like the North Koreans or the Taliban. And gradually there is war fatigue, where it drops out of the papers (it will happen like every other conflict) and that is when you'll see countries quietly going back to doing business with the Russians.

Not many will agree to this but this is how I think it'll go.
 
Stop lying. That's what u are doing... Lying. Nobody in italy has any heating on in october

Oh you again, you cannot even read a post let alone back your claims.

I suggest you educate yourself on mean temperatures in North of Italy during October, in some areas the temperatures drop below 10C.

Now go back to school your ignorant TikTok millennial.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION], @‘technics 1210’
Could we do a simple statement of facts here based on the media/news sources you consume. Just give me a single phrase assessment of who is winning. Thus, a simple a response as of the date: ‘October 5th 2022: Russia is winning’ would suffice. If you are able to supplement it with some screenshots of where you gathered that information, that would be fantastic. I just want a simple daily update based on your sources of information, you needn’t provide nuance or commentary but it is welcome. However just update the status daily. This way if nothing, I can get an assessment of where the sentiment in the news sources you consume, lies as of that date.

It’s quite evident we won’t agree on the facts since your sources have not been shared, or those shared such as Sputnik news, are Russian state media. You do not appear to hold Aljazeera or Reuters in any reverence and thus it is difficult to find a news source you deem acceptable. Thus, why debate the facts? Let’s just get a pulse check. So please tell me, as of 10/05/2022 who is winning?
 
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Thanks, it makes sense why Italians have voted in their new PM, they dont want to suffer because of some village in Ukraine.

Yet MSM are very hush, after the biggest terrorist attack in the west since 911! Attacking the Nord stream pipelines was imo a message to Europe to say you cant stop this now, you will have to support this even if it means you going back to the dark ages.

Its sad how weak Europe is , it has no self rule and are vessels of USA and Israel.

Europe was always weak, they have always fought each other, started 2 World Wars, and thought they could achieve peace through the EU.

Europe, is not interested in peace, and I am so glad Italy is once again making the moves.

Many news outlets are reporting that US was behind the attack on Nord pipeline, but poor little NATO warriors think Amreeka would not harm its European poodles.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION], @‘technics 1210’
Could we do a simple statement of facts here based on the media/news sources you consume. Just give me a single phrase assessment of who is winning. Thus, a simple a response as of the date: ‘October 5th 2022: Russia is winning’ would suffice. If you are able to supplement it with some screenshots of where you gathered that information, that would be fantastic. I just want a simple daily update based on your sources of information, you needn’t provide nuance or commentary but it is welcome. However just update the status daily. This way if nothing, I can get an assessment of where the sentiment in the news sources you consume, lies as of that date.

It’s quite evident we won’t agree on the facts since your sources have not been shared, or those shared such as Sputnik news, are Russian state media. You do not appear to hold Aljazeera or Reuters in any reverence and thus it is difficult to find a news source you deem acceptable. Thus, why debate the facts? Let’s just get a pulse check. So please tell me, as of 10/05/2022 who is winning?

What is your definition of 'WINNING'?
 
What is your definition of 'WINNING'?

I would ignore such views.

Such users claim 'our' sources have not been shared, yet those in support of Putin are the only ones who have shared sources in this thread, but I would think thrice before responding to someone who mistook GBP for INR in this thread.

As for winning, the ickle NATO bots still do not understand that Putin has won the economic war, has reduced the West into accepting that sanctions have not worked, and have backfired spectacularly, affecting 100s Millions of Western folk.

Right now, Putin knows winter is coming, and he doing the right thing tactically, because come winter, Europe will be sent back to the dark ages, and this time, Islam will not pull them out.
 
She is very similar to Orban of Hungary.

Perhaps in their views on Muslims and immigrants in general but her statements once in power are unequivocally hostile to Russia, over and beyond paying lip service to EU/USA, whereas Orban is much more mute comparatively.
 
What is your definition of 'WINNING'?
as I said, I leave it to you. Just give me a yay or nay. And update it daily. I want to look for an inflection point, if any. So winning could mean, Russia will eventually prevail because of some tactical or material advantage even if they suffer a temporary setback. I do ask that you define what victory for either side would be defined as.
 
Perhaps in their views on Muslims and immigrants in general but her statements once in power are unequivocally hostile to Russia, over and beyond paying lip service to EU/USA, whereas Orban is much more mute comparatively.

You can pick and choose which statements you prefer. But Italians heard her say many times she is against sanctions and wants an independent energy policy. Italians voted her in due to high prices, a falling economy based on such views.

as I said, I leave it to you. Just give me a yay or nay. And update it daily. I want to look for an inflection point, if any. So winning could mean, Russia will eventually prevail because of some tactical or material advantage even if they suffer a temporary setback. I do ask that you define what victory for either side would be defined as.

Im not a paid news reporter, so there wont be any daily updates from me, just read the thread, plenty of good posters making great points.

The English definition of winning is 'making gains' or 'victory in conquest'. In war there are objectives which are set out and if those objectives are achieved there is victory.

Russian objective was to liberate people who were being bombed and killed, estimates suggest around 14,000 died due to Ukrainian assaults. This objective has been achieved a long time ago, when Russia took control of the Eastern areas, so they have won arleady. Now Russia is securing those areas for good, while targeting another objective which presented itself, bring down western economies and change the world order, both are also being achieved.

For a Ukrainian win or victory it must take back every inch of Ukrainian land inc Crimea, send the Russian army back home. There are more chances of Scooby Doo and Shaggy marrying than this happening now.
 
You can pick and choose which statements you prefer. But Italians heard her say many times she is against sanctions and wants an independent energy policy. Italians voted her in due to high prices, a falling economy based on such views.

If that were the case Italians would have have voted for Salvini who was much more outspoken against sanctions. Meloni's latest statements regarding sanctions are that they are working. You also pick and choose statements that you preferred, I am just picking those uttered when she is in power.
 
Let’s just get a pulse check. So please tell me, as of 10/05/2022 who is winning?

Russia are winning and will win on both the economic and military front.

Let’s look at what the stated goals were for the SMO.

The de-militarisation of Ukraine, that is largely done. Ukraine is through their 8th wave of mobilisation. They have lost 200k soldiers of which 100k are kia. Right now they are throwing huge numbers at the front, these are territorial defence units. They have no navy and their air force is obliterated. In comparison the Russians have lost around 40-50k with 30k kia, most of these losses are for the Donbas militia.

The autonomy for Donbas and Crimea. We’ll look at every single map and you’ll see the same picture Russia control 65% of Donbas, 100% of Crimea which they had already and they control large parts of two other oblasts.

NATO to leave Ukraine, this one is ongoing. Since NATO is effectively fighting Russia through their proxy and no negotiations in sight the SMO will change and mobilisation on the Russian side is happening. NATO have already said no to Ukraine joining for the foreseeable future.

Restore water supply to Crimea. This was done in March and this one the west and Ukraine gloss over because basically it shows that the Ukrainians treat ethnic Russians as third class citizens. Russia changed that.

Regarding the economic situation look across Europe and then Russia and you will see who is winning. Russians won’t freeze or starve this winter. Can you say the same for Germany and Italy?
 
From time to time MSM is quoted, which they an inordinate amount maligning when it agrees with their line of thought. Every link to news about the European economy and winter is from MSM. So MSM is trusted when it comes to bad news for their opponents but ignored when it is good news. The hypercritical are hypocritical.

The thing about MSM is that they have to tell the truth eventually. For example, they can’t hide the fact that Ukraine is suffering huge casualties when droves of ambulances are carrying the wounded north to Kiev. They can’t lie about the economic situation when Russia is making deals and getting lots of money through the collective east.

I prefer alternative media anyway, they are ahead of MSM. The best way to get the truth about the conflict is to look at the Ukrainian list of people that they consider enemies of the state and start following them. These include people like Douglas MacGregor, Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern and so on. Former US intel and army.
 
If that were the case Italians would have have voted for Salvini who was much more outspoken against sanctions. Meloni's latest statements regarding sanctions are that they are working. You also pick and choose statements that you preferred, I am just picking those uttered when she is in power.

Liz Truss also said that the sanctions were working earlier this year. This week she blamed the inflation on Putin. If the sanctions are working why blame Putin?
 
Without fuel and energy you cannot achieve anything. Russia has both of these in abundance. Europe does not. How does Europe think they will function without the cheapest and largest supplier of energy?

How will cars, aeroplanes, tvs, phones, packaging, household products etc etc be made without energy? The Norwegians and Americans don’t have enough cheap energy to keep Europe afloat for long. The Middle East has no interest in price caps and have other customers too. So what exactly is the plan?
 
I hope you and Mrs Robert are having a great time.

But there are many reductions in Italy.

If you manage to talk to some Italians, it would be interesting to hear if they are willing to suffer high energy prices, loss of jobs in support of Ukraine, do let us know.

It’s lovely here actually. Very warm in October with the streets thronging with tourists.

The impression I get is of a friendly people who seem positive.
 
From OSINTtechnical Twitter feed:

“It definitely seems that there is a power struggle going hot within the Russian govt/elite right now, centered on Sergei Shoigu, the minister of defence, and Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Wagner Group.”
 
I hope you and Mrs Robert are having a great time.

But there are many reductions in Italy.

If you manage to talk to some Italians, it would be interesting to hear if they are willing to suffer high energy prices, loss of jobs in support of Ukraine, do let us know.
It doesn’t really matter.

Ukraine is bulldozing through Russian-occupied lands just thanks to American and British support. The Russian collapse is so total and so widespread that they are likely to lose outright this year, with regime change in Moscow pretty much a certainty now.

Russia lost with the best troops and most modern weapons. Untrained conscripts with ancient weapons are just going to take the quick route to a body bag.
 
Please dont patronise Russians, they are very smart people , much smater than the average Brit in most areas but especially in terms of politics.

Again, Putin came about when Russians were eating soup out of plastic bowls, driving Ladas and Skodas, now its once against a superpower turning Europe back to the middle ages.

Its best to put away this patriotic James Bond nonsense and accept Russia isnt going anywhere. Peace is the only way forward esp agaisnt a nation which can wipe out the UK with one bomb.

I didn’t patronise Russians. I criticised Putin for election rigging, murdering journalists and controlling Russian mass media.

You avoided my question. Am I to assume that you prefer despotic states to democracies, as long as the despots keep the trains running on time?
 
Kyiv: Dozens of firefighters rushed to douse blazes on Wednesday in a town near Ukraine's capital Kyiv following multiple strikes caused by what local officials said were Iranian-made loitering munitions, often known as 'kamikaze drones'.
Six drones hit a building overnight in Bila Tserkva, around 75 km (45 miles) south of the capital, said the governor of the Kyiv region, Oleksiy Kuleba.

Ukraine has reported a spate of Russian attacks with Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones in the last three weeks, but the strike on Bila Tserkva was by far the closest to Kyiv.

Iran denies supplying the drones to Russia, while the Kremlin has not commented.

"There was a roaring noise, a piercing sound. I heard the first strike, the second I saw and heard. There was a roar and then 'boom' followed by an explosion," said 80-year-old Volodymyr, who lives across the street from the stricken building.

Other residents told Reuters they heard four explosions in quick succession, followed by another two over an hour later.

Ukrainian forces appear to have been caught on the back foot by the drones, which Kyiv says Moscow started using on the battlefield in September.

Speaking on television on Wednesday, Ukrainian air force spokesman Yuriy Ihnat said the drones were launched from occupied areas in southern Ukraine, and that six further drones had been shot down before reaching their target.

"This is a new threat for all the defence forces (of Ukraine), and we need to use all available means to try to counter it," Ihnat said, comparing the drone's small size to an artillery shell.

The attacks left locals in Bila Tserkva shaken and seeking cover when subsequent air raid sirens sounded.

"It is beyond me what those Russians think. I do not know when we will manage to chase them from our territory. It is just tears and heartache for my Ukraine. That's all I can say," said 74-year-old Lyudmyla Rachevska.

NDTV
 
I am typing from Rome. All the lights are on. I just had a nice trattoria meal with Mrs Robert sitting outside in balmy evening weather.

Are you for real?
Living costs in EU are out of control. The normal average working man cant survive with a salary, cause the prices are so high.

Just look at the UK.
 
Are you for real?
Living costs in EU are out of control. The normal average working man cant survive with a salary, cause the prices are so high.

Just look at the UK.

Talking about what I see in Rome, not the EU or UK. Nobody has the heating on. It’s hot.
 
It is this sort of fallacy that gets Liberals confused. Judging the state of a nation based on the capital/major city is exactly why Liberals and Politicians for that matter, are disconnected from reality.

Once again, pedantry is their saviour.
 
Are you for real?
Living costs in EU are out of control. The normal average working man cant survive with a salary, cause the prices are so high.

Just look at the UK.

I wouldn't bother.

Every news outlet, and anecdotal evidence proves beyond doubt the UK is in deep ****, so to Europe. Even the markets had a say when GBP hit a record low vs USD, hence the LD Trojan U-Turn.

Unemployment is up. Inflation is up. Interest rates are up. Debt is up. Bills are up.

Alas! None of its true because its hot in Rome.
 
So alot of people are wondering what is going on and in can only give my assessment based on what I've read and seen and researched.

So the front line has now been pushed back by ukrops and that has to be seen as a success but the LOC still exists just a bit further back. This is basically a tactical retreat to a second defence line.

Now here's where it gets risky for the Russians a d why your hearing ukrops gaining settlements. Because of their lack of numbers they can't defend the whole LOC but moving back and setting up new defensive positions. It allows them to hold on until new reinforcements arrive.

The majority of troops jn these areas have been militia and police units..hence why they have been told to retreat. Now you can say what the he'll were the Russians doing as the US didn't do this in Iraq. Don't judge this war like that one.

So what do I think will now happen. The ukrops will consolidate bring up more equipment take a small pause and start pushing through gaps in the line to create cauldrons to eliminate Russian units..

The Russians will try to stop them using aircraft and artillery and block them from advancing. They have time on their side to plan a counter attack. Hence why ukrops have to break the LOC..

I think and I could be wrong ut the Russians will redeploy units along their defensive line and use combat veteran units to counter attack and push the ukrop new lines back while trying to encircle them..

Now coming onto the war itself..just remember it's all politics. Ultimately there will be a negotiation but who will own what and where...if the Russians hold kn till they prepare their counter attack I can see them breaking through multiple areas. But will ukrops be able to turn the tables and then hold on defensively? It's like a chess match played at multiple levels but with innocent people..

I would say if ukrops gain some more ground they should force putins hand and call for negotiations.full ceasefire. Then negotiate from perceived strength but enough to allow Putin to show strength too..but will NATO allow this??
 
Also I think instead of us debating like ignorants please post the latest maps and order of battle as combined with expert opinion you can paint a picture..its not hard..
 
I wouldn't bother.

Every news outlet, and anecdotal evidence proves beyond doubt the UK is in deep ****, so to Europe. Even the markets had a say when GBP hit a record low vs USD, hence the LD Trojan U-Turn.

Unemployment is up. Inflation is up. Interest rates are up. Debt is up. Bills are up.

Alas! None of its true because its hot in Rome.

yeah... we get it... the Uk is terrible... the west is evil...... Russia is amazing.

So again i ask the question.... why do you live in the UK?
 
yeah... we get it... the Uk is terrible... the west is evil...... Russia is amazing.

So again i ask the question.... why do you live in the UK?

Did you do your homework on mean temperatures in Northern Italy during October?

As for the rest of your bile, learn to read what is being criticised of the UK - so no, you do not get it.
 
Did you do your homework on mean temperatures in Northern Italy during October?

As for the rest of your bile, learn to read what is being criticised of the UK - so no, you do not get it.

well... it's 26c in Milan currently.... is that northern enough for you?
 
BBC News - Homes face winter power cuts in worst-case scenario, says National Grid

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63155827

UK not reliant on Russian energy? Right.

I'll add to it for people who won't read it...

'Under a worst case scenario... that the National Grid says is unlikely'

But as a "base case" National Grid expects homes will face no problems

Any more fantastical claims?

The UK to run out of water under a worst case scenario where it doesn't rain all winter?
 
well... it's 26c in Milan currently.... is that northern enough for you?

https://www.in-italia.com/climagm_1_10.asp

Read it carefully, and tally up the facts with my claim that temperatures can drop below 10C in parts of Northern Italy.

You called me a liar for saying some Italians switch their heating on during October, but you opted for your liberal messiah who is in Rome.

From now on, you are in my sin bin. Do not reply to me, I have no time for Tik Tok millennials; lying is one thing, but educating is just another matter.

Now go open your doors for Ukrainians you care about, better yet, why don't you go fight for Ukraine if it means so much to you.
 
I'll add to it for people who won't read it...

'Under a worst case scenario... that the National Grid says is unlikely'

But as a "base case" National Grid expects homes will face no problems

Any more fantastical claims?

The UK to run out of water under a worst case scenario where it doesn't rain all winter?

Last response to you. You liberals have pedantry as your defense, and only defense. The thought of even why a worst case scenario is being drawn up is beyond you millennials. Fact is UK relies on Russian energy.

Next up you will claim Brits do not require heating up north during winter cos of Global warming.
 
Last response to you. You liberals have pedantry as your defense, and only defense. The thought of even why a worst case scenario is being drawn up is beyond you millennials. Fact is UK relies on Russian energy.

Next up you will claim Brits do not require heating up north during winter cos of Global warming.

flip flop.... flip flop.... flip flop

all over the place as usual
 
Last response to you. You liberals have pedantry as your defense, and only defense. The thought of even why a worst case scenario is being drawn up is beyond you millennials. Fact is UK relies on Russian energy.

Next up you will claim Brits do not require heating up north during winter cos of Global warming.

You are totally incoherent in your arguments. All over the place.
 
Rumours that the Kherson push is another feint.... Ukraine planning to go straight down to Melitipol
 
Ukraine are claiming that they no longer have an artillery shortage as the Russians left so many guns and shells behind.
 
Oh deary me

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UK sterling dropped on Thursday after ratings agency Fitch lowered the outlook for the country to 'negative', citing risks posed by the chancellor’s mini budget.

The pound was trading down almost 1% against the US dollar, at $1,122 as of 14:33 GMT. The currency nosedived to a record low against the dollar last month and some British government bonds took the deepest tumble in decades, forcing the Bank of England (BoE) to stage a £65 billion (almost $73 billion) intervention to try to stabilize markets.

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Remember, UK responded to the cost of living crisis with a mini budget, which was a response to the inflation crisis, which was fuelled by the energy crisis, which was the result of Western sanctions on Russia.

Let this sink in.

Open mouth - insert foot.
 
Oh deary me

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UK sterling dropped on Thursday after ratings agency Fitch lowered the outlook for the country to 'negative', citing risks posed by the chancellor’s mini budget.

The pound was trading down almost 1% against the US dollar, at $1,122 as of 14:33 GMT. The currency nosedived to a record low against the dollar last month and some British government bonds took the deepest tumble in decades, forcing the Bank of England (BoE) to stage a £65 billion (almost $73 billion) intervention to try to stabilize markets.

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Remember, UK responded to the cost of living crisis with a mini budget, which was a response to the inflation crisis, which was fuelled by the energy crisis, which was the result of Western sanctions on Russia.

Let this sink in.

Open mouth - insert foot.

Yup.

Spending money to arm Ukraine doesn't seem like a great strategy for UK.
 
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