Russia invades Ukraine

[sweep_shot]

Three members of the US Congress have introduced a bill to withdraw troops and missile defense systems from Saudi Arabia and the UAE in response to their decision to cut oil production.

OPEC+, a group of oil-producing countries, agreed on Wednesday to cut output by 2 million barrels per day, equal to 2% of global supply.

The decision was made as Western nations continue attempts to curb Russia’s oil trade as part of sanctions over the Ukraine conflict, while also grappling with soaring energy prices at home.

“Saudi Arabia and the UAE’s drastic cut in oil production, despite President Biden’s overtures to both countries in recent months, is a hostile act against the United States and a clear signal that they have chosen to side with Russia in its war against Ukraine,” Democrats Sean Casten, Tom Malinowski, and Susan Wild said in a joint statement on Thursday.

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Amreekans are crying! Not only are they getting their back sides handed to them by Russia, but now they want to punish the Saudi Arabia and UAE for refusing to increase oil output.

Amreeka - what cry babies! At least Amreeka still have their European poodles in control.

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America think they have the right to dictate all countries.

Good stuff from KSA and UAE.

 

[SalimBhai]

America has no right to dictate to anyone.

 

[MenInG]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused Ukraine of attacking the bridge to Russian-annexed Crimea, saying that it was an "act of terrorism".

President Putin said Ukraine's intelligence forces had aimed to destroy a critically important piece of Russia's civil infrastructure.

He was speaking at a meeting with the head of the Investigative Committee of Russia, Alexander Bastrykin.

 

[Robert]

America has no right to dictate to anyone.

The move may backfire on Congress if Saudi and UAE start to lean toward the emerging China-led bloc instead.

 

[SalimBhai]

The move may backfire on Congress if Saudi and UAE start to lean toward the emerging China-led bloc instead.

I think the ties with the USA are too strong for saudis to go the other way. I would not be surprised if after this is all over and we are back in normal times that the USA push for a regime change in Saudi ( mbs). I don’t support that. But that’s the way I see it might happen.

 

[Robert]

I think the ties with the USA are too strong for saudis to go the other way. I would not be surprised if after this is all over and we are back in normal times that the USA push for a regime change in Saudi ( mbs). I don’t support that. But that’s the way I see it might happen.

The Neocons of the Bush 43 era thought about that, and in Syria too, but the disaster of Iraq changed their minds.

 

[Technics 1210]

Hmm.. interesting response. So is the a good terrorist attack as opposed to say a bad one when done by say Palestinians in occupied land or Afghans? I'm just trying to understand the difference here.

Of course NATO bots support the act of terrorism towards Russia. Their justification is the old adage : One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Basically when the West resorts to terrorism (IRA, NATO, et al) it's fighting for freedom, anyone else, and they are terrorists.

 

[Technics 1210]

America think they have the right to dictate all countries.

Good stuff from KSA and UAE.

It just goes to prove how weak and fearful Amreeka really is. As I said, Amreeka have never won a war on their own, never. When they lose or know they are losing, the Amreekans resort to economic and political bullying.

I am waiting for the day Iran bypasses Amreekan sanctions via BRICS+, and tests its first nuke in the Maranjab Desert. Then we'll see what Amreeka is made of.

We should all remember, Iran democratically elected a leader but Amreeka resorted to regime change for the sake of oil - Western Liberal democracy.

 

[the Great Khan]

Of course NATO bots support the act of terrorism towards Russia. Their justification is the old adage : One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Basically when the West resorts to terrorism (IRA, NATO, et al) it's fighting for freedom, anyone else, and they are terrorists.

Hence why I'm curious as to the response. When Pakistan was suffering from terrorism it was our own fault according to the West and we had to do more to stop terror even though we were the victims. When Palestinians defend themselves from oppressors they are told they are a hindrance to peace. When Ukraine uses a truck bomb to blow up civilian infrastructure its called a interesting tactic and is cheered. Then they wonder why nobody supports them in this stupid war.

 

[Technics 1210]

Hence why I'm curious as to the response. When Pakistan was suffering from terrorism it was our own fault according to the West and we had to do more to stop terror even though we were the victims. When Palestinians defend themselves from oppressors they are told they are a hindrance to peace. When Ukraine uses a truck bomb to blow up civilian infrastructure its called a interesting tactic and is cheered. Then they wonder why nobody supports them in this stupid war.

100%.

All you will get in terms of an explanation from NATO bots is a web of words and pedantry.

Liberals and NATO bots in this very thread have stated they only care about white Europeans and if anyone does not agree with their view then they should leave the country. This explains why NATO turned a blind eye on Muslim genocide in Bosnia too.

Basically, the West exists upon a racist, aggressive, and hypocritical endeavour, and all they care about is the expansion of JC imperialism - by any means necessary.

All this talk about multiculturalism, pluralism, secualrism, blah blah in the West, is all a front.

 

[Technics 1210]

A massive crowd of protesters marched through the center of the French capital on Saturday demanding that France radically change its stance on NATO and the EU.

The march was organized by the right-wing Les Patriotes (The Patriots) party led by Florian Philippot, the former deputy head of Marine Le Pen’s National Rally. Dubbed “the national meeting of resistance,” the rally attracted “thousands and thousands” of people, according to Philippot, who was also a member of the European Parliament between 2014 and 2019.

The demonstrators were holding a large banner reading ‘Resistance’ and smaller placards that read ‘Frexit’ – a reference to a demand that France leave the EU. Many protesters were also waving the national flag.

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Beautiful! EU is collapsing in front of our eyes!

First Italy, now France.

Who needs a powerful military? All you need are powerful moves, and Putin has them in spades.

Of course BBC is not reporting this news., But other news agencies are:

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/watch-mass-protests-against-nato-and-eu-hit-paris-streets/

All over Twitter too.

 

[ahsan17]

Lol. Classic

So much spin in this thread it’s making me dizzy.

Fair point but on other forums it's an echo chamber of western narratives, and Putin waking up on the wrong side of the bed means how much of a disaster this war has been for Russia, and on and on.

Btw, every time one brings up the similarities with the Iraq war one gets accused of whataboutism. As if hypocrisy is not a thing. A lot of misuse of whataboutism fallacy. If the hypocrisy argument is targeted at the right place (i.e. US and UK governments) then it's not whataboutism.

 

[Junaids]

Update on the Crimean Bridge and the "land bridge" alternative for supplying Kherson and Crimea.

1. Mykola Bielieskov has confirmed that there is no continuous two-way railway from Russia through southern Ukraine to Kherson or Crimea. The loss of Lyman and Izyum destroyed Russia's railway connectivity.

2. The closest thing to a railway through Ukraine from Russia to Kherson and Crimea is the damaged Donbas railway through Tokmak in Zaporizhia. But the Ukrainians are already within HIMARS range of the railway.

3. That leaves the Crimean Bridge as the sole railway for carrying soldiers, equipment and supplies by rail from Russia to Kherson or even Crimea.

4. This is significant, because in 1920 the White Russians were defeated at Crimea because of an inability to get men or supplies in and out of Crimea.

5. Separately, the entire water supply to Crimea comes from the Kakhova Dam in Kherson. And that too is now within less than 2 km of being in HIMARS range from the Ukrainian front line.

Russia's terrible logistics were already a problem at the start of this invasion in early 2022. But it now looks as if they may be unable to resupply either Crimea or Kherson, and that the water supply to Crimea is at risk too.

 

[Junaids]

There's a fascinating difference in strategies playing out right now in Ukraine.

Russia's strategy - even in the areas with ethnic Russian populations - is the same as it was in Aleppo. They use artillery to flatten every building they can and to try to make the enemy capitulate. They are doing this right now at Bakhmut, north of Donetsk.

Ukraine's strategy is to first destroy the Russian supply lines, and to effectively starve them of resupply and of reinforcements. They then encircle the target and wait for the Russians to flee in stolen cars, and collect the abandoned Russian military hardware and adopt it for their own use.

Russia's tactics worked to a point at Mariupol, Kherson and in eastern Donbas, but they have not secured the supply lines to hold onto what they have seized, which is why they are losing land so quickly now.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ukrainian army’s commander-in-chief poses with swastika bracelet

General Valery Zaluzhny, the commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, has posted a photo to Twitter which shows him wearing a swastika bracelet.

Zoom in image to see the Nazi sign.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="uk" dir="ltr">На нашій землі триває боротьба, масштабів якої світ не бачив із часів Другої світової. Ми не маємо права перекласти цю війну на наших дітей. Ворога потрібно знищити тут і зараз. І ми це можемо зробити.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/valeriizaluzhnyi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#valeriizaluzhnyi</a> <a href="https://t.co/8PsVOD9iiN">pic.twitter.com/8PsVOD9iiN</a></p>— Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (@CinC_AFU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU/status/1578083916296192000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="qme" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/nywFC8B5XQ">pic.twitter.com/nywFC8B5XQ</a></p>— Dartsgame | Gokai Purple (@CubeBoom1) <a href="https://twitter.com/CubeBoom1/status/1579184521328852992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Junaids]

Sorry - duplicate post.

 

[Junaids]

Ukrainian army’s commander-in-chief poses with swastika bracelet




Zoom in image to see the Nazi sign.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="uk" dir="ltr">На нашій землі триває боротьба, масштабів якої світ не бачив із часів Другої світової. Ми не маємо права перекласти цю війну на наших дітей. Ворога потрібно знищити тут і зараз. І ми це можемо зробити.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/valeriizaluzhnyi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#valeriizaluzhnyi</a> <a href="https://t.co/8PsVOD9iiN">pic.twitter.com/8PsVOD9iiN</a></p>— Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (@CinC_AFU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU/status/1578083916296192000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="qme" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/nywFC8B5XQ">pic.twitter.com/nywFC8B5XQ</a></p>— Dartsgame | Gokai Purple (@CubeBoom1) <a href="https://twitter.com/CubeBoom1/status/1579184521328852992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A Twitter account in English for the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which:

1. Joined Twitter in October 2022.
2. Posted its first ever Tweet on 7 October 2022.
3. Posted a grand total of 3 Tweets before one showing the supposed user wearing a swastika bracelet.
4. Has not taken down the swastika bracelet Tweet.

Russian propaganda really doesn't get any more subtle, does it?

 

[Junaids]

Ukrainian army’s commander-in-chief poses with swastika bracelet




Zoom in image to see the Nazi sign.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="uk" dir="ltr">На нашій землі триває боротьба, масштабів якої світ не бачив із часів Другої світової. Ми не маємо права перекласти цю війну на наших дітей. Ворога потрібно знищити тут і зараз. І ми це можемо зробити.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/valeriizaluzhnyi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#valeriizaluzhnyi</a> <a href="https://t.co/8PsVOD9iiN">pic.twitter.com/8PsVOD9iiN</a></p>— Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (@CinC_AFU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU/status/1578083916296192000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="qme" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/nywFC8B5XQ">pic.twitter.com/nywFC8B5XQ</a></p>— Dartsgame | Gokai Purple (@CubeBoom1) <a href="https://twitter.com/CubeBoom1/status/1579184521328852992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This stuff works with Trump supporters. I read yesterday of one applauding Russia for closing doen Hunter Biden's germ warfare and paedophilia labs in Ukraine.

But most of us see a freshly opened Twitter account by a busy soldier in a non-native language, publishing 3 Tweets then a scandalous photo and then nothing else, and think "troll farm".

 

[SalimBhai]

This stuff works with Trump supporters. I read yesterday of one applauding Russia for closing doen Hunter Biden's germ warfare and paedophilia labs in Ukraine.

But most of us see a freshly opened Twitter account by a busy soldier in a non-native language, publishing 3 Tweets then a scandalous photo and then nothing else, and think "troll farm".

If I had to guess there are more Nazis in Russia than Ukraine.

 

[Robert]

Hence why I'm curious as to the response. When Pakistan was suffering from terrorism it was our own fault according to the West and we had to do more to stop terror even though we were the victims. When Palestinians defend themselves from oppressors they are told they are a hindrance to peace. When Ukraine uses a truck bomb to blow up civilian infrastructure its called a interesting tactic and is cheered. Then they wonder why nobody supports them in this stupid war.

You’re all over the place GK.

You asked me a specific question about insurgent tactics in Ukraine and then didn’t answer my point specifically but instead generalised me into “the West” and the Crimea bridge bomb into Palestine and Pakistan.

I don’t know who exploded the bridge truck bomb but I applaud it as a legitimate tactic by insurgents resisting the invader of their territory.

Even KKWC has said that he would pick up a rifle and fight to defend UK from invasion, and I don’t understand how that admirable attitude would fail to translate into the right of the Ukrainian patriots to defend their land from the aggressor Putin.

If you want my opinion on Palestine and Pakistan then perhaps you can start another two threads. But I won’t comment on the latter because I have no understanding of it.

“Nobody supports them”? Every single white Briton I know supports Ukraine. A few might not - hard left tankies and far right fascists, but I don’t talk to people like that as I don’t share their values. Instead I see people flying the blue and yellow flag in their gardens, and others playing The Great Gate of Kiev in impromptu orchestras in town squares.

 

[bones]

Streams of posts online claiming the presidential office in kiev has been attacked.

 

[bones]

More than one explosion in kien this morning.

 

[Junaids]

I suspect that Russia will try to kill Zelensky now.

If they do, the gloves will be off and the western powers will finish off Russia very quickly. And Putin has a palace at Sochi which will spontaneously combust if he kills Zelensky.

This was my comment two days ago when the bridge was wrecked.

As I have written subsequently, the bridge is Russia's only means of supplying Kherson and Crimea.

Putin knows that the war is lost. But while he is intellectually mediocre, he is cunning and ruthless.

He knows that he will fall out of a window in the next few weeks. It's all over. The shame of starting and losing a war to a former Soviet Republic is terminal for a Russian dictator.

He only has one lifeline. If he can provoke the USA into entering the war he can claim that his Russia was robbed of its victory by the world's biggest and most evil superpower.

So he is highly likely to provoke the USA into joining the war, either by murdering Zelensky or by using tactical nuclear weapons. It would mean certain defeat for Russia, but, like Saddam Hussein in 1991, it could buy him an extra decade in power.

 

[Junaids]

Streams of posts online claiming the presidential office in kiev has been attacked.

Which would be a war crime.

A predictable one, but still a war crime.

 

[cpleigh]

This was my comment two days ago when the bridge was wrecked.

As I have written subsequently, the bridge is Russia's only means of supplying Kherson and Crimea.

Putin knows that the war is lost. But while he is intellectually mediocre, he is cunning and ruthless.

He knows that he will fall out of a window in the next few weeks. It's all over. The shame of starting and losing a war to a former Soviet Republic is terminal for a Russian dictator.

He only has one lifeline. If he can provoke the USA into entering the war he can claim that his Russia was robbed of its victory by the world's biggest and most evil superpower.

So he is highly likely to provoke the USA into joining the war, either by murdering Zelensky or by using tactical nuclear weapons. It would mean certain defeat for Russia, but, like Saddam Hussein in 1991, it could buy him an extra decade in power.

Using a nuke would bring China into it. Ukraine and China signed a deal that gives Ukraine Chinese protection under a nuclear attack.

He won't go nuclear. He'll just go full terror attack like today

 

[bones]

NATO and Ukranians trolls: There is no Nazi problem in Ukraine.

Truth: Ukranian Army Commander posts a picture on his official social media channel wearing a bracelet containing the Nazi symbol.

 

[pakistani pride]

Which would be a war crime.

A predictable one, but still a war crime.

You are really clueless.

 

[bones]

I don't think the gloves have come off yet for the Russians but after long time they are hitting multiple regions across Ukraine.

 

[Junaids]

It's clear that Putin feels that his manliness has been insulted by the destruction of the Kerch Bridge.

We all know that he has hardly any Kalibr cruise missiles left, and has no means of building more.

And yet he is wasting them on non-military targets in Kyiv like a university and a playground for kids.

He has really lost it now. He's clearly desperate to show his toughness to the hard-right in Moscow, but he hasn't got enough Kalibrs up his sleeve to waste them on this nonsense.

 

[MenInG]

Attacks on Kyiv ongoing, regional head says

The Russian air attacks on Kyiv are not over and people must remain under cover, the head of the capital's regional military administration has said.

In a message to residents on Telegram, Oleksiy Kuleba reassures them air defence systems are working, but emphasises "that the air alert is still ongoing".

He also called on people not to photograph or film landing sites of missiles or damaged infrastructure in the capital.

"People's lives depend on it," he adds.

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Kyiv blasts follow overnight strikes in south

This morning's rare blasts in the capital Kyiv follow further strikes overnight in the southern city of Zaporizhzhia and in the Dnipropetrovsk region.

"A multi-storey residential building was destroyed again. There are victims," posted Zaporizhzhia regional governor Oleksandr Starukh on the Telegram messaging app at around 03:00 local time (01:00 BST).

Emergency services attended the scene, he added. Zaporizhzhia has been hit repeatedly in recent weeks, with dozens of people killed.

Meanwhile, it was a "night of massive attacks" in Dnipropetrovsk, according to an update from the region's own governor Valentyn Reznichenko, who accuses Russia of shelling multiple regions.

Moscow has not yet commented on the blasts reported across Ukraine this morning.

 

[MenInG]

series of loud explosions rocked Ukraine's capital Kyiv early Monday morning, a day after Moscow blamed Ukraine for a deadly blast on the bridge linking Crimea to Russia.
Ukraine's presidency said on Monday there were strikes on "many" cities in Ukraine, a day after Moscow blamed Kyiv for an explosion on a bridge connecting Crimea to Russia.

"Ukraine is under missile attack. There is information about strikes in many cities of our country," Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of the president's office, said on social media, calling on the population to "stay in shelters".

The explosions hit Kyiv around 8:15 am local time (0515 GMT), and an AFP journalist in the city saw numerous ambulances appearing to head towards the scene of the blasts. Kyiv heard at least five blasts on Monday morning.

"Several explosions in the Shevchenkivskyi district -- in the centre of the capital," Kyiv mayor Vitali Klitschko said on social media.

Videos posted on social media showed black smoke rising above several areas in the city.

Russia's last strike on Kyiv took place on June 26.

The explosions came a day after Moscow blamed Ukraine for the explosion on a bridge linking Crimea to Russia, leaving three people dead.

"The authors, perpetrators and sponsors are the Ukrainian secret services," Russian President Vladimir Putin said of Saturday's Crimea bridge bombing, which he described as a "terrorist act".

Vladimir Putin was speaking during a meeting with the head of the investigation committee he has set up to look into the bombing, Russian news agencies reported.

The Russian leader is gearing up for a meeting with his Security Council later Monday, the Kremlin told local news agencies.

"Tomorrow the president has a planned meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

The blast that hit the bridge sparked celebrations from Ukrainians and others on social media.

But Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in his nightly address on Saturday, did not directly mention the incident, and officials in Kyiv have made no direct claim of responsibility.

On Saturday, Russia said some road and rail traffic had resumed over the strategic link, a symbol of the Kremlin's 2014 annexation of Crimea.

The 19-kilometre (12-mile) bridge is a vital supply link between Russia and the annexed Crimean peninsula.

Some military analysts argue that the blast could have a major impact if Moscow sees the need to shift already hard-pressed troops to Crimea from other regions -- or if it prompts a rush by residents to leave.

Mick Ryan, a retired Australian senior officer now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said that even if Kyiv was not behind the blast, it constituted "a massive influence operation win for Ukraine.

"It is a demonstration to Russians, and the rest of the world, that Russia's military cannot protect any of the provinces it recently annexed," he said on Twitter.

'Merciless strikes'

President Zelensky meanwhile denounced a Russian missile strike on Sunday that killed at least 13 people, one of them a child, in Zaporizhzhia -- the latest deadly bombardment of the southern Ukrainian city.

The attack also wounded 89 people, including 11 children, according to a statement from the president's office.

Volodymyr Zelensky described the "merciless strikes on peaceful people" and residential buildings as "absolute evil" perpetrated by "savages and terrorists".

Regional official Oleksandr Starukh posted pictures of heavily damaged apartment blocks on Telegram and said a rescue operation had been launched to find victims under the rubble.

Russian officials meanwhile denounced on Sunday what they said was a surge in Ukrainian fire into its territory that had hit homes, administrative buildings and a monastery.

Russia's FBS, which is responsible for border security, said on Sunday: "Since the start of October, the number of attacks from Ukrainian armed formations on Russia's border territory has considerably increased."

More than a hundred artillery attacks, concentrated on the western border regions of Belgorod, Bryansk and Kursk, had hit housing and administrative buildings, said the statement.

The attacks had killed one person and wounded five others.

NDTV

 

[Junaids]

NATO and Ukranians trolls: There is no Nazi problem in Ukraine.

Truth: Ukranian Army Commander posts a picture on his official social media channel wearing a bracelet containing the Nazi symbol.

Discredited fake account.

Set up 3 days earlier, claiming to be an English language account, but the posts were in.......Russian.

 

[Junaids]

You are really clueless.

Believe it or not, there is no legal way in which you can invade someone else's country and then kill its President several months later.

If it happens, it's a war crime.

 

[Robert]

Which would be a war crime.

A predictable one, but still a war crime.

Frankly I am amazed that Zelenskyy has survived this long. I thought he would have been put on a show trial, or killed fighting as an insurgent, or blown up or sniped by the FSB by now.

 

[bones]

On Saturday my social media was being flooded with the images of the Kerch Bridge attack. Today it's being flooded with news about missile attacks all over Ukraine.

Everyone told us the Russians had run out of Kalibr missiles - today is perhaps proof that's not the case.

 

[Technics 1210]

I thought Russia had run out of missiles?

 

[Junaids]

I thought Russia had run out of missiles?

We know they are down to their last few dozen.

And it looks like they are using them to blow up civilian targets as terror attacks, rather than using them against military targets.

Today once and for all Russia removed its mask and proved that it is nothing more and nothing less than a Terrorist State.

No more talking. No more negotiation.

Russian surrender is not enough. Russia needs to be demilitarised and dismantled, and its oil and gas need to be used to pay reparations to Ukraine.

 

[Technics 1210]

We know they are down to their last few dozen.

One day you might actually post something that is accurate. Weren't you the one who stated Russia had tun out of missiles? Why do you continue with your propaganda?

 

[Technics 1210]

Believe it or not, there is no legal way in which you can invade someone else's country and then kill its President several months later.

If it happens, it's a war crime.

Ahhh you mean like Iraq 2003?

Got it.

 

[bones]

One day you might actually post something that is accurate. Weren't you the one who stated Russia had tun out of missiles? Why do you continue with your propaganda?

In June he said they had run out. The very day he said it, the Russians launched a few more. Here we are in October and it's raining missiles and rockets. So many explosions being reported that we don't know when the end is in sight.

 

[Junaids]

Ahhh you mean like Iraq 2003?

Got it.

Absolutely not. The monster Husein was executed by the government of Iraq.

 

[Junaids]

In June he said they had run out. The very day he said it, the Russians launched a few more. Here we are in October and it's raining missiles and rockets. So many explosions being reported that we don't know when the end is in sight.

It's been bleeding obvious for months that Russia has less than 100 Kalibrs left. That's why they keep using ship-to-ship and surface-to-air missiles against land targets.

And now the inadequate little bully Putin has wasted a good chunk of his remaining Kalibrs bombing roads, playgrounds and a university.

Take your pick today. Either his missiles have pathetic guidance systems or he is a war criminal who attacked civilian targets.

You choose.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Putin hit back hard today.

Its clear now that his strategy will be to defend the siezed Ukranian territories with real force.

 

[Robert]

Putin hit back hard today.

Its clear now that his strategy will be to defend the siezed Ukranian territories with real force.

Agreed. I think Ukraine can recover all lost areas west of the Dnieper but beyond that…. no real chance. They should stop and fortify the new border.

But the insurgency in Crimea will continue.

 

[Junaids]

Agreed. I think Ukraine can recover all lost areas west of the Dnieper but beyond that…. no real chance. They should stop and fortify the new border.

But the insurgency in Crimea will continue.

I’m curious, why?

I can’t see how Russia can supply Kherson or Crimea.

 

[Technics 1210]

Absolutely not. The monster Husein was executed by the government of Iraq.

You are doing it again!

When the West illegally invades a sovereign land, bombs the living daylights out of civilians, achieves its political goals through regimes change - you lot - democratic liberals - claim the West was installing democracy for the purpose of liberation and peace. You go to the extent of defending your Western Christian leaders - Bush and Blair.

When any other nation outside the West does it - you cry - it's a war crime!

Hypocrisy through and through.

I am so glad the West is getting a taste of its own medicine.

PS: When Julian Assange reveals the truth, you lot want him in jail.

Pathetic.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ahhh you mean like Iraq 2003?

Got it.

Add Libya to the list too.

We know who supported those rebels in Libya that led to the assassination of Gaddafi and destabilization of Libya.

 

[sweep_shot]

Putin hit back hard today.

Its clear now that his strategy will be to defend the siezed Ukranian territories with real force.

It was always coming.

I think we may see a different Russia in the upcoming days.

 

[Technics 1210]

It was always coming.

I think we may see a different Russia in the upcoming days.

Anyone with half a brain cell knew it was coming, especially when Russia had ceased attacking, until, Ukraine decided to blow up the Crimean bridge.

Putin warned them, but NATO did not listen and goaded Russia into the next phase of the war.

Putin will now pummel Ukraine, and poor ickle Liberal/NATO bots believed Russia was out of missiles and rockets!

It's called the art of deception, and my word, NATO has fallen for it!

 

[mazkhan]

The missiles didn't do hardly any damage

Plus half were shot down

Most of the missiles were outdated old missiles like kh55 etc

Russia doesn't have any kalibr or iskander in any sufficient numbers they ran out.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The missiles didn't do hardly any damage

Plus half were shot down

Most of the missiles were outdated old missiles like kh55 etc

Russia doesn't have any kalibr or iskander in any sufficient numbers they ran out.

Its enough to cause panic in the Ukranians.

I think Russia is trying to bring them to the table. Rubber stamp the annexed territories and move on.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It was always coming.

I think we may see a different Russia in the upcoming days.

Not really.

It is a petty response.

Russia (for now) is regrouping and focussing on the annexed areas.

They will carry out a few attacks here and there and call it 'anti terrorist ' operations.

 

[the Great Khan]

You are doing it again!

When the West illegally invades a sovereign land, bombs the living daylights out of civilians, achieves its political goals through regimes change - you lot - democratic liberals - claim the West was installing democracy for the purpose of liberation and peace. You go to the extent of defending your Western Christian leaders - Bush and Blair.

When any other nation outside the West does it - you cry - it's a war crime!

Hypocrisy through and through.

I am so glad the West is getting a taste of its own medicine.

PS: When Julian Assange reveals the truth, you lot want him in jail.

Pathetic.

He'll avoid this post now..his posts ooze white supremacy and the superiority of "his" western white ideals.

 

[Robert]

He'll avoid this post now..his posts ooze white supremacy and the superiority of "his" western white ideals.

But he isn’t white!

 

[SalimBhai]

Ahhh you mean like Iraq 2003?

Got it.

Please point out who is here supportive of Iraq war.

 

[sweep_shot]

But he isn’t white!

He is 50% white and 50% Bengali (white mom and Bengali dad). Mixed.

 

[SalimBhai]

You are doing it again!

When the West illegally invades a sovereign land, bombs the living daylights out of civilians, achieves its political goals through regimes change - you lot - democratic liberals - claim the West was installing democracy for the purpose of liberation and peace. You go to the extent of defending your Western Christian leaders - Bush and Blair.

When any other nation outside the West does it - you cry - it's a war crime!

Hypocrisy through and through.

I am so glad the West is getting a taste of its own medicine.

PS: When Julian Assange reveals the truth, you lot want him in jail.

Pathetic.

The Iraq war supporters were mostly republican conservatives. There was a massive anti war movement in the USA. Long marches. Did you miss all that?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

But he isn’t white!

Then he is a tragic case, some of his posts here have been worse than the pro putin ones.

No respect for Brown lives at all.

And its the attitude of people like him that has made Russian propaganda so effective.

 

[sweep_shot]

Its enough to cause panic in the Ukranians.

I think Russia is trying to bring them to the table. Rubber stamp the annexed territories and move on.

I think it is time to move on for all parties.

Ukraine can finish the war if they come to negotiation table. If they keep on blowing up bridges, war may drag on.

America needs to stop instigating and stop supplying.

 

[sweep_shot]

Then he is a tragic case, some of his posts here have been worse than the pro putin ones.

No respect for Brown lives at all.

And its the attitude of people like him that has made Russian propaganda so effective.

Some of his posts are just inaccurate. He seems to make up numbers based on guesses. Never provides any source.

According to him, America displacing Saddam was good but if Russia does the same in Ukraine, that's a war crime.

Hilarious double standard.

 

[Robert]

I’m curious, why?

I can’t see how Russia can supply Kherson or Crimea.

I don’t think Russia can keep Kherson.

They have one lane open on the bridge so can get trucks into Ukraine slowly. The trains are running too, I believe.

 

[Junaids]

I think it is time to move on for all parties.

Ukraine can finish the war if they come to negotiation table. If they keep on blowing up bridges, war may drag on.

America needs to stop instigating and stop supplying.

Ukraine will finish the war when it has liberated its stolen provinces.

Russia only controls part of the terrorory of all four, and has no means of resupply ing them.

Terror attacks by obsolete missiles on Kyiv don’t change the fact that Russia is getting splattered on the battlefield.

 

[Junaids]

I think it is time to move on for all parties.

Ukraine can finish the war if they come to negotiation table. If they keep on blowing up bridges, war may drag on.

America needs to stop instigating and stop supplying.

Some of his posts are just inaccurate. He seems to make up numbers based on guesses. Never provides any source.

According to him, America displacing Saddam was good but if Russia does the same in Ukraine, that's a war crime.

Hilarious double standard.

The parallel is between Putin and Saddam, not Zelensky and Saddam.

Saddam was a mass murdering dictator who had invaded his neighbour. Just like Putin.

This Ukrainian government was democratically elected and came to power on a ticket led by a Russian speaker who promised to ensure equal rights for Russian Ukrainians.

 

[the Great Khan]

You’re all over the place GK.

You asked me a specific question about insurgent tactics in Ukraine and then didn’t answer my point specifically but instead generalised me into “the West” and the Crimea bridge bomb into Palestine and Pakistan.

I don’t know who exploded the bridge truck bomb but I applaud it as a legitimate tactic by insurgents resisting the invader of their territory.

Even KKWC has said that he would pick up a rifle and fight to defend UK from invasion, and I don’t understand how that admirable attitude would fail to translate into the right of the Ukrainian patriots to defend their land from the aggressor Putin.

If you want my opinion on Palestine and Pakistan then perhaps you can start another two threads. But I won’t comment on the latter because I have no understanding of it.

“Nobody supports them”? Every single white Briton I know supports Ukraine. A few might not - hard left tankies and far right fascists, but I don’t talk to people like that as I don’t share their values. Instead I see people flying the blue and yellow flag in their gardens, and others playing The Great Gate of Kiev in impromptu orchestras in town squares.

Firstly the world isn't every white jabroni in the uk. They'll support any war that kills brown people or against whomever the media and establishment brainwash them into believing their cause is righteous. The majority of the world don't support the white West in this war.

Secondly I don't remember you ever supporting the rightful UN given right of the Palestinians to defend themselves. I could be wrong. You actually sound like you supported the Iraq invasion which was a heinous crime. Again I could be wrong. Also was it right for the iraqi people to resist the invasion of their country and the Afghans too? Or was that all not allowed because the white West managed to cover it all up in a nice veneer of legal speak.?

Thirdly I did not equate you to the West I was just including your response to many I have heard online from mostly white westerners with delusions of righteousness. And let me be clear. Everybody jas the right to defend their homes from invasion and genocide. Everyone. Including Palestinians kashmiris and Afghans. Yet they are terrorists and Ukrainians are freedom fighters? Could it be that white westerners for so long have been the invaders and oppressors and know this, hence why they can now finally support a just cause for once..rather than wave a flag while villages in Pakistan are obliterated by drone strikes..

I just find the hypocrisy nauseating now..Saddam was evil so let's destroy his country and kill his people. We hate assad so let's destroy his country too. Etc etc..

I wait for the hypocritical justifications for all of the above..

And finally as I've said before there is an old saying in Pakistan and I'll translate " you fight gangsters with a gangsters" it's just interesting to see the west finally meet a gangster like them.

 

[Junaids]

I don’t think Russia can keep Kherson.

They have one lane open on the bridge so can get trucks into Ukraine slowly. The trains are running too, I believe.

The train bridge is barbecued. They haven’t even moved the burned out carriages yet - it’s too unsafe.

Russia has one lane of the road bridge open, for low weight vehicles only.

Their logistics were always bad, and now they are a disaster.

 

[in_cutter]

The parallel is between Putin and Saddam, not Zelensky and Saddam.

Saddam was a mass murdering dictator who had invaded his neighbour. Just like Putin.

This Ukrainian government was democratically elected and came to power on a ticket led by a Russian speaker who promised to ensure equal rights for Russian Ukrainians.

Zelensky is pathetic tbh. This is a a leader who posed for Vogue front cover in the middle of a war. Coming idiots.

 

[the Great Khan]

But he isn’t white!

His thinking is..and he is half white..and frankly a racist.

 

[in_cutter]

The hypocrites that fly the Ukranian flag are the same ones that supported other illegal invasions carried out by the West.

 

[sweep_shot]

The parallel is between Putin and Saddam, not Zelensky and Saddam.

Saddam was a mass murdering dictator who had invaded his neighbour. Just like Putin.

This Ukrainian government was democratically elected and came to power on a ticket led by a Russian speaker who promised to ensure equal rights for Russian Ukrainians.

So, someone who is not democratically elected should be taken out?

Why are you assuming all places prefer/need democracies?

How did it go after Saddam was displaced? Iraq is now a mess.

 

[Robert]

Then he is a tragic case, some of his posts here have been worse than the pro putin ones.

No respect for Brown lives at all.

And its the attitude of people like him that has made Russian propaganda so effective.

I don’t understand what opposition to despotic imperialists has to do with skin colour. Hate white imperialists? Fine. But Putin is one of those.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don’t understand what opposition to despotic imperialists has to do with skin colour. Hate white imperialists? Fine. But Putin is one of those.

Sure. I hate Putins actions too.

But hating Putin while finding every excuse under the book to justify atrocities committed by other governments is a hypocritical stance.

And hating Putin while justifying the deaths of brown Iraqis, Libyans and Afghans is just white supremacy in action.

 

[Robert]

Firstly the world isn't every white jabroni in the uk. They'll support any war that kills brown people or against whomever the media and establishment brainwash them into believing their cause is righteous. The majority of the world don't support the white West in this war.

Secondly I don't remember you ever supporting the rightful UN given right of the Palestinians to defend themselves. I could be wrong. You actually sound like you supported the Iraq invasion which was a heinous crime. Again I could be wrong. Also was it right for the iraqi people to resist the invasion of their country and the Afghans too? Or was that all not allowed because the white West managed to cover it all up in a nice veneer of legal speak.?

Thirdly I did not equate you to the West I was just including your response to many I have heard online from mostly white westerners with delusions of righteousness. And let me be clear. Everybody jas the right to defend their homes from invasion and genocide. Everyone. Including Palestinians kashmiris and Afghans. Yet they are terrorists and Ukrainians are freedom fighters? Could it be that white westerners for so long have been the invaders and oppressors and know this, hence why they can now finally support a just cause for once..rather than wave a flag while villages in Pakistan are obliterated by drone strikes..

I just find the hypocrisy nauseating now..Saddam was evil so let's destroy his country and kill his people. We hate assad so let's destroy his country too. Etc etc..

I wait for the hypocritical justifications for all of the above..

And finally as I've said before there is an old saying in Pakistan and I'll translate " you fight gangsters with a gangsters" it's just interesting to see the west finally meet a gangster like them.

Ah I see. I said something similar with regard to Churchill - he was a monster, but we needed our own monster to fight a worse monster.

I have repeatedly stated on PP that I think the invasion of Iraq was a horrible mistake. I supported it at the time. But my views change as the evidence changes.

The “veneer of legal speak” refers to Blair - there is no UK or ICC legislation that could be brought to bear on him. The Law Lords decided this.

If you dig out the thread on Palestine you will see me criticise Israel’s actions, in terms of the Geneva Convention, chapter and verse.

Clear where I stand?

 

[Robert]

Sure. I hate Putins actions too.

But hating Putin while finding every excuse under the book to justify atrocities committed by other governments is a hypocritical stance.

And hating Putin while justifying the deaths of brown Iraqis, Libyans and Afghans is just white supremacy in action.

Fair enough.

 

[Technics 1210]

The West is built upon the values of Judeo-Christian alliance. This is a daylight fact. Members of NATO are majority white nations. The colour of skin does matter, because you will never see NATO attack Australia or New Zealand - why? Same skin, same values. This might be a bitter pill for our liberal democratic members to swallow but its a fact.

NATO turned a blind eye on the genocide of Muslims, within Europe - why? If the West really cared about humanitarian values, then religion should never come into play, yet it does. Palestine is a great example, the West supports Isreal, because the Christian kingdom has promised to return the Messiah to Jerusalem and will ensure Muslims are kept out of the region. This is JC alliance at its peak. And guess what, the MSM will never report on Isreali crimes the way the MSM reports on other crimes against humanity.

More so, these Western Liberals claim they are against racism, oh bless my cotton socks, because it is clear to me, these liberals have a tiered anti-racism stand, and what is at the top of the tier? Anti-Semitism. Racism towards Blacks, Browns, other faiths, are all secondary. You can see it in this very forum - liberals throw a hissy fit when it comes to anti-Semitism, but change their tune when it comes to other forms of racism.

You already have members in this thread supporting the Ukrainian narrative, that is to protect WHITE Europeans. You need no further proof that colour of skin is fundamental to the Western narrative.

 

[bones]

I don’t think Russia can keep Kherson.

They have one lane open on the bridge so can get trucks into Ukraine slowly. The trains are running too, I believe.

Not only are Russia going to keep Kherson, they're going to take Mykolaiv and possibly Odessa. Russia can capture the territory they've given away because they saved almost of their men and and the equipment with the tactical retreats.

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberals will keep harping on about Iraq was a terrible mistake etc, but NEVER will they CONDEMN the Christian white leaders like Bush and Blair, nor will they CONDEMN the actions of Western governments in public.

It goes further, you will hear Liberals say what is happening in Palestine is horrible, but NEVER will they CONDEM Isreal in public.

Yet when Russia et al commit crimes agsint humanity, these same liberals come out in their droves to CONDEM Putin and Russia in public.

This is the difference.

So do not fall for the hollow cries and concerns of Liberals when the West commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. It's all a hypocritical and deceptive front.

 

[Robert]

Not only are Russia going to keep Kherson, they're going to take Mykolaiv and possibly Odessa. Russia can capture the territory they've given away because they saved almost of their men and and the equipment with the tactical retreats.

Perhaps. We will see.

 

[Technics 1210]

Western Liberal Democratic Logic

Perpetrator vs. Outcome:

- Non-West = Public Condemnation/Tried for War Crimes.
- West = Horrible mistake, forget about it.
- Israel = Speak to your local MP.

The above is the framework for Western Liberal responses in public.

Don't let them fool you.

 

[sweep_shot]

Western Liberal Democratic Logic

Perpetrator vs. Outcome:

- Non-West = Public Condemnation/Tried for War Crimes.
- West = Horrible mistake, forget about it.
- Israel = Speak to your local MP.

The above is the framework for Western Liberal responses in public.

Don't let them fool you.

POTW!

Perfectly said.

There seems to be a blatant double standard.

 

[Technics 1210]

I think it is time to move on for all parties.

Ukraine can finish the war if they come to negotiation table. If they keep on blowing up bridges, war may drag on.

America needs to stop instigating and stop supplying.

An honest Liberal Democrat living in the West, worth their salt, would say : The West has committed crimes against humanity, Russia is committing crimes against humanity, let's negotiate peace and be the better people.

No, instead you have Liberals supporting an all out war, feeding the masses with Western propaganda, and seek the annihilation of Russia along with non-white JC souls for good measure.

Liberalism is a disgusting ideology and frankly is the 5th Reich.