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Russia invades Ukraine

I wonder where the vaunted Armatas are. Or even the T-90s.

The main Russian army hasn't been fighting much. I've been saying this for a long time, most of the analysts have been saying the same. The fighting is primarily being done by the two Donbas militias, the Chechens and the Wagner mercenaries. They don't have all the cool fancy toys that the main Russian army does.

But guess what to add to the current Russian forces that are fighting in Ukraine, they are mobilising a lot of forces and you'll get to see some of the fancy toys then.

By the way, MSM controls everything you see, read, hear and believe. So even if a T-90 tank is used, they'll only show it if it's being destroyed, they'll never show it as a successful machine.
 
The main Russian army hasn't been fighting much. I've been saying this for a long time, most of the analysts have been saying the same. The fighting is primarily being done by the two Donbas militias, the Chechens and the Wagner mercenaries. They don't have all the cool fancy toys that the main Russian army does.

But guess what to add to the current Russian forces that are fighting in Ukraine, they are mobilising a lot of forces and you'll get to see some of the fancy toys then.

By the way, MSM controls everything you see, read, hear and believe. So even if a T-90 tank is used, they'll only show it if it's being destroyed, they'll never show it as a successful machine.

So let me get this straight... Russia which has lost 90k troops and is now being forced to conscript Criminals, Homeless people and anyone they can find in a desperate attempt to reverse their losses on the battlefield...

Have been saving their troops? :13::facepalm::))
 
How many missiles/rockets does Russia have left now?

Can I have this week's winning lottery numbers too?

:)))
 
So let me get this straight... Russia which has lost 90k troops and is now being forced to conscript Criminals, Homeless people and anyone they can find in a desperate attempt to reverse their losses on the battlefield...

Have been saving their troops? :13::facepalm::))

The key words you and everyone following NATO propaganda keeps missing is Special Military Operation. It is not a war, not yet anyway.

Because of the SMO the Russians went in soft - naively thinking the west would negotiate. The hardliners wanted a stronger reaction and eventually Putin obliged.

That 90k figure is like the ghost of kiev, pure fiction.
 
How many missiles/rockets does Russia have left now?

Can I have this week's winning lottery numbers too?

:)))

However many they have left they will be useless but the handful Ukraine have will always hit the target and be immune to air defence. :)
 
The key words you and everyone following NATO propaganda keeps missing is Special Military Operation. It is not a war, not yet anyway.

Because of the SMO the Russians went in soft - naively thinking the west would negotiate. The hardliners wanted a stronger reaction and eventually Putin obliged.

That 90k figure is like the ghost of kiev, pure fiction.

Just leave it now .. you are becoming an embarrassment. The 90k is from the FSB.
 
In other vaguely Russian news.... For 34 years Russia has stoked tension between Armenia and Azerbaijan.. now that they can't

Guess what? They have agreed a peace deal
 
Just leave it now .. you are becoming an embarrassment. The 90k is from the FSB.

The embarrassment is you. Quoting a FSB source is not the same as quoting the FSB.

If the Ukrainians are doing so well, why did nato hold an urgent meeting? Why did Zelensky start pleasing again for air defence and other systems.
 
The embarrassment is you. Quoting a FSB source is not the same as quoting the FSB.

If the Ukrainians are doing so well, why did nato hold an urgent meeting? Why did Zelensky start pleasing again for air defence and other systems.

Ha ha. It was an annual planned meeting.

If Russia is doing so well why has the Russian puppet in kherson begged for help and urgent evacuation?

So you are dismissing the FSB source? Are the Russian troops all just sitting around in Russia on these brand spanking new tanks? Just for a laugh?

Ha ha... I'll tell you. They aren't. They don't exist.

The troops or the equipment
 
Ha ha. It was an annual planned meeting.

If Russia is doing so well why has the Russian puppet in kherson begged for help and urgent evacuation?

So you are dismissing the FSB source? Are the Russian troops all just sitting around in Russia on these brand spanking new tanks? Just for a laugh?

Ha ha... I'll tell you. They aren't. They don't exist.

The troops or the equipment

You get your information from MSM and Kyiv Independent. You started celebrating a minor grudge attack on Saturday, since then you were very quiet about the barrage of missiles and rockets.

Let's say you are right and that Russia is bad. How is it that they control 1000sq/km and have held referendums? For an incompetent country they are putting nato in major military and economic problems.

Yes Russia did not mobilise, they have now.
 
The main Russian army hasn't been fighting much. I've been saying this for a long time, most of the analysts have been saying the same. The fighting is primarily being done by the two Donbas militias, the Chechens and the Wagner mercenaries. They don't have all the cool fancy toys that the main Russian army does.

But guess what to add to the current Russian forces that are fighting in Ukraine, they are mobilising a lot of forces and you'll get to see some of the fancy toys then.

By the way, MSM controls everything you see, read, hear and believe. So even if a T-90 tank is used, they'll only show it if it's being destroyed, they'll never show it as a successful machine.

I assumed that Putin hadn’t committed his good kit, either through arrogance or unwillingness to put it at risk.
 
You get your information from MSM and Kyiv Independent. You started celebrating a minor grudge attack on Saturday, since then you were very quiet about the barrage of missiles and rockets.

Let's say you are right and that Russia is bad. How is it that they control 1000sq/km and have held referendums? For an incompetent country they are putting nato in major military and economic problems.

Yes Russia did not mobilise, they have now.

NATO are under no such problems.. again another wish of yours.

Russia over whelmed Ukraine, who had to then fight a defensive fight to protect the capital and government. Since then NATO weapons and NATO trained troops have gone on the offensive and taken loads of it back.

Kherson soon ( i like how you ignored the news of Kherson being evacuated) what that really means is Russia has decided to leg it. A 'minor' attack? You mean destroying Russias ONLY means of resupply in the south.

Delusional
 
I assumed that Putin hadn’t committed his good kit, either through arrogance or unwillingness to put it at risk.

it just doesnt exist... all these huge yachts docked in Monaco and Abu Dhabi have to be funded somehow.

And what easier way then to funnel tax payers money off on make believe military goods
 
By the way, MSM controls everything you see, read, hear and believe. So even if a T-90 tank is used, they'll only show it if it's being destroyed, they'll never show it as a successful machine.

I don’t believe that. I am old enough to recall the Falklands War. What you call “MSM” accurately reported the losses of HMS Antelope, HMS Sheffield, HMS Coventry etc. “MSM” explained in detail how the Super Etendard / Exocet missile system worked too.
 
it just doesnt exist... all these huge yachts docked in Monaco and Abu Dhabi have to be funded somehow.

And what easier way then to funnel tax payers money off on make believe military goods

The Sukhoi-35 exists all right. It has appeared at air displays. Armata exists too, though perhaps only in small numbers. Agree there would be more but for all the corruption though. Lucky for Ukraine that they face an endemically corrupt procurement system.
 
At the start I kind of felt sorry for the Ukrainians, they became a proxy to the US without a quick off ramp. Now I don't. They are getting exactly what the Russians told them they would if they crossed the red lines.

This war is over, Russia have won. Ukraine burnt through most of their their reserves and equipment in the counter offensives. Now all that is happening is the gradual destruction of Ukraine and the emptying of nato warehouses.

The funny thing is people still, still are foolish enough to think Russia are losing or will lose.
 
At the start I kind of felt sorry for the Ukrainians, they became a proxy to the US without a quick off ramp. Now I don't. They are getting exactly what the Russians told them they would if they crossed the red lines.

This war is over, Russia have won. Ukraine burnt through most of their their reserves and equipment in the counter offensives. Now all that is happening is the gradual destruction of Ukraine and the emptying of nato warehouses.

The funny thing is people still, still are foolish enough to think Russia are losing or will lose.

Yup. Russia has taken gloves off. Different Russia now.

All these could've been prevented with diplomacy. But, America decided to escalate this.
 
If russia is winning why is the governor in kherson city ordering an evacuation .

I.e he knows ukranian forces will enter eventually or he knows maybe putin will nuke that area to stop the ukranians reaching crimea.
So hence why they want to evacuate the civilian population.
 
I assumed that Putin hadn’t committed his good kit, either through arrogance or unwillingness to put it at risk.

I don’t believe that. I am old enough to recall the Falklands War. What you call “MSM” accurately reported the losses of HMS Antelope, HMS Sheffield, HMS Coventry etc. “MSM” explained in detail how the Super Etendard / Exocet missile system worked too.
The Russia apologists here keep saying “we haven’t taken the gloves off yet”.

Which completely fails to realise that they are in the same position as the US in Vietnam or the UK in the Falklands.

You can’t use your nukes against non-nuclear nations without committing national suicide.

Russia has used what Russia has got.
 
If russia is winning why is the governor in kherson city ordering an evacuation .

I.e he knows ukranian forces will enter eventually or he knows maybe putin will nuke that area to stop the ukranians reaching crimea.
So hence why they want to evacuate the civilian population.

Kherson is where a huge Ukrainian force has gathered, makes sense to order the evacuation if the city is within artillery and rocket fire range. Quite normal. Remember Ukraine have been talking about taking kherson since May but they are still some way away.

All the talk of nukes is from MSM and sheep. Putin has no interest in using nukes.

But since you guys clearly believe MSM, is it even worth anyone's time discussing the topic.
 
Zelensky has requested for more air defence. Not sure why because the MSM and their trolls have been telling us that Russia have run out of missiles since June at least.
 
Yup. Russia has taken gloves off. Different Russia now.

All these could've been prevented with diplomacy. But, America decided to escalate this.

Is it? Apart from lobbying any missiles they can find at civilian targets... (Which they did at the start)

What's changed?
 
The Russia apologists here keep saying “we haven’t taken the gloves off yet”.

Which completely fails to realise that they are in the same position as the US in Vietnam or the UK in the Falklands.

You can’t use your nukes against non-nuclear nations without committing national suicide.

Russia has used what Russia has got.

Different sorts of engagement of course. USA’s involvement in Vietnam was to halt the spread of communism. That failed.

This UK’s objective was to push Argentina back off the Falklands, and this was successful.

Putin - not Russia - has undertaken a war of conquest. I am amazed that it has not yet succeeded. Perhaps it still will, but Ukrainian insurgents will carry on sending Russian soldiers home in boxes. They won’t give up, and eventually Russia will have to leave, as USA did in Vietnam and USSR did in Afghanistan.
 
Russian press reportying Putin is ready to talk and give up Kherson and Zaphoryna in exchange for Donbas and Crimea.
 
The political war in the UK has nothing on the Ukraine war.

UK is fighting for its economy, Russia has a booming economy, won an economic war.

Democracy vs Authoritarian

I know which I would pick.
 
The political war in the UK has nothing on the Ukraine war.

UK is fighting for its economy, Russia has a booming economy, won an economic war.

Democracy vs Authoritarian

I know which I would pick.

go and live in Russia then and ask that question
 
go and live in Russia then and ask that question

I bet all these people who are bad mouthing the west here are simultaneously also working on getting every single family member move to the west from their home countries. Not do they have plans to move out either. One is looking to buy a summer home in the north of England …. And so on and so on…
 
Different sorts of engagement of course. USA’s involvement in Vietnam was to halt the spread of communism. That failed.

This UK’s objective was to push Argentina back off the Falklands, and this was successful.

Putin - not Russia - has undertaken a war of conquest. I am amazed that it has not yet succeeded. Perhaps it still will, but Ukrainian insurgents will carry on sending Russian soldiers home in boxes. They won’t give up, and eventually Russia will have to leave, as USA did in Vietnam and USSR did in Afghanistan.

This shows why pro Nato posters inc [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] are confused.

The key difference here is the people who are now part of the Russian federation SUPPORT Russia. Afghans never support occupation, only a small % who were being paid, even then they would regularly kill US forces.

There will be no long term insurgency, as any attack on Russia will see a huge response, as witnessed after the terrorist attack on the bridge.
 
go and live in Russia then and ask that question

Are you a member of Britain first or the EDL?

Such rhetoric only shows you have little to no knowledge of this conflict and can only reply like another poster, go live there then lol.

You were cheering the terrorist attack on the bridge.

New documents show Britain was a part of this terrorist attack. As Brits we should condemn this, our taxes shouldnt be used to further terrorism in the world. One could argue the British state , government and forces are of a terrorist nature but this was a most stupid attack on Russia. If Russia hits say the Eurotunnel, it would further ruin the economy here.

EXPOSED: Before Ukraine blew up Kerch Bridge, British spies plotted it

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/
 
I bet all these people who are bad mouthing the west here are simultaneously also working on getting every single family member move to the west from their home countries. Not do they have plans to move out either. One is looking to buy a summer home in the north of England …. And so on and so on…

Salimbhai, your contributions to this thread are brilliant, may you be rewarded with the noble peace prize.

It may be a surprise if you're living in maybe Bombay or Dehli but there are millions upon millions in the west who are against using their tax money to support Ukraine.

Only earlier Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was shut down at a town hall rally in the US.

The hungrier the western public becomes the more they will demand a stop to this proxy war.
 
I bet all these people who are bad mouthing the west here are simultaneously also working on getting every single family member move to the west from their home countries. Not do they have plans to move out either. One is looking to buy a summer home in the north of England …. And so on and so on…

People are not happy with the leaders and the foreign policy. We've been saying since day 1 the sanctions were economic suicide for us because unlike Russia, we are importers. The stupidity of thinking you could win an economic war against someone who produces some of the most valuable commodities in the world is off the charts.

What's even worse is, that our leaders thought the Russians would be isolated, if anything the Russians have formed new trade partners and they are giving the middle finger to Europe and the US. Just take for example the Middle East's response to the oil price cap idea.
 
Liberals, the so called open minded ideology, put the Nazis to shame.

Don't agree with them, then they tell you to leave the country.

Liberals only care about White Europeans, and this thread proves it.
 
Salimbhai, your contributions to this thread are brilliant, may you be rewarded with the noble peace prize.

It may be a surprise if you're living in maybe Bombay or Dehli but there are millions upon millions in the west who are against using their tax money to support Ukraine.

Only earlier Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was shut down at a town hall rally in the US.

The hungrier the western public becomes the more they will demand a stop to this proxy war.

I am not just talking about the war. I am talking about total hatred for an environment you live in, yet not leaving. I totally understand not being pro war or anti War.
 
The Russia apologists here keep saying “we haven’t taken the gloves off yet”.

Which completely fails to realise that they are in the same position as the US in Vietnam or the UK in the Falklands.

You can’t use your nukes against non-nuclear nations without committing national suicide.

Russia has used what Russia has got.

You still havent replied to my points. Lets try again. Ill only list 2 at a time to help you.

1. You rant about Russian war crimes but how can you when US has a law to invade the Hague if they are ever bought there for war crimes?

2. You claim the bridge attack in Crimea was not terrorism, since when does a truck bomb and one Brits helped planning , killing 3 civilians not be an act of terrorism?
 
People are not happy with the leaders and the foreign policy. We've been saying since day 1 the sanctions were economic suicide for us because unlike Russia, we are importers. The stupidity of thinking you could win an economic war against someone who produces some of the most valuable commodities in the world is off the charts.

What's even worse is, that our leaders thought the Russians would be isolated, if anything the Russians have formed new trade partners and they are giving the middle finger to Europe and the US. Just take for example the Middle East's response to the oil price cap idea.


I was not just talking about the war. I totally understand anti war or pro war sentiment.
 
You still havent replied to my points. Lets try again. Ill only list 2 at a time to help you.

1. You rant about Russian war crimes but how can you when US has a law to invade the Hague if they are ever bought there for war crimes?

2. You claim the bridge attack in Crimea was not terrorism, since when does a truck bomb and one Brits helped planning , killing 3 civilians not be an act of terrorism?
1: is absurd . Should be repealed . But in realty nothing will happen.
 
You still havent replied to my points. Lets try again. Ill only list 2 at a time to help you.

1. You rant about Russian war crimes but how can you when US has a law to invade the Hague if they are ever bought there for war crimes?

2. You claim the bridge attack in Crimea was not terrorism, since when does a truck bomb and one Brits helped planning , killing 3 civilians not be an act of terrorism?

I am not American.

The Kerch Bridge iis a bridge used by Russia to supply Occupied Crimea and Occupied Kherson with troops, weapons and supplies.

That makes it a legitimate military target. And those three civilians had not applied to Ukraine for permission to enter or exit Crimea, which is Ukrainian sovereign territory, so they were not there legally anyway.
 
<b>Vladimir Putin has said he has "no" regrets over the war in Ukraine and warned that any direct clash of NATO troops with Russia could lead to a "global catastrophe".</b>

On Friday, the Russian president spoke at a news conference in the Kazakh capital, Astana, and also said that his country's partial mobilisation will be over in two weeks.

Mr Putin, who has said he would be ready to use nuclear weapons to defend Russia's "territorial integrity", warned that a direct clash with NATO troops is a "very dangerous step".

His remarks follow a week where Russia has carried out its heaviest missile attacks on Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities since the early days of the war, which he calls a special military operation.

Mr Putin said the strikes were a response to an attack that damaged the Kerch Bridge, which links the Russian mainland to annexed Crimea.

When asked if he had any regrets in relation to the conflict he said "no" and insisted Russia was doing the right thing.

He also said: "The introduction of troops into a direct confrontation with the Russian army is a very dangerous step that could lead to a global catastrophe. I hope that those who speak of this have enough sense not to take such steps."

Mr Putin said Germany is making a "mistake" by prioritising its allegiance to NATO over its national interest.

He added that Germany had not yet made a decision regarding the one undamaged line of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, through which he has said it would be possible for Russia to pump gas to Germany.

Last month, explosions ripped through both links of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and one of the two links of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, causing a massive gas leak and taking them out of service.

On holding talks with Ukraine, Mr Putin said he is open to the idea and added "we have always said this".

However, he added that if Kyiv is "ripe for talks, mediation efforts would be required", following reports about his supposed willingness to enter into negotiations about a temporary peace deal with Ukraine.

Peace talks between the two countries, including in Istanbul in March, have fallen through.

Mr Putin also said Russia has not set itself a task of "destroying Ukraine" and added that there was “no need for massive strikes" now because most designated targets had been hit.

The Russian president also told the news conference that his partial mobilisation will finish in two weeks, with no plans for a further call-up of reservists.

Last month, his defence minister Sergei Shoigu said the country would draft 300,000 reservists to support its efforts in Ukraine.

Soon after the call, the price of one-way tickets out of the country soared as long queues were seen at Russian borders as people tried to flee.

The partial mobilisation not only appeared to signal an admission that the war was not going well for Russia, but came amid Ukraine’s counter-offensive which has seen the military recapture large swathes of the country from Moscow including strategically key areas like the eastern city of Lyman.

Mr Putin told the news conference that he ordered the partial mobilisation because it is "impossible to hold the front using only contracted servicemen".

https://t.co/3igyvYISUx
 
I am not American.

The Kerch Bridge iis a bridge used by Russia to supply Occupied Crimea and Occupied Kherson with troops, weapons and supplies.

That makes it a legitimate military target. And those three civilians had not applied to Ukraine for permission to enter or exit Crimea, which is Ukrainian sovereign territory, so they were not there legally anyway.

Ill repeat.

The Bridge attack was an attack on a bridge which has civilians motorists, which were murdered. The attack was a truck bomb or a suicide truck bomb. Report has come out this attack was planned by British intelligence months ago. Why is a truck bomb on a public bridge killing innocents not a terrorist attack?

You support USA to arm, finance, train Ukrainians. But you want Russia for war crimes while US has a law to invade the Hague if anyone of their officials is being tried there?

I hope this is simple enough for you and others .
 
Ill repeat.

The Bridge attack was an attack on a bridge which has civilians motorists, which were murdered. The attack was a truck bomb or a suicide truck bomb. Report has come out this attack was planned by British intelligence months ago. Why is a truck bomb on a public bridge killing innocents not a terrorist attack?

You support USA to arm, finance, train Ukrainians. But you want Russia for war crimes while US has a law to invade the Hague if anyone of their officials is being tried there?

I hope this is simple enough for you and others .

Wrong.

The Crimean Bridge is an unlawful bridge, which does not have planning permission from Ukraine. And none of the people travelling between Ukraine and Russia on it have approval from the Ukrainian government to do so.

These people are not civilians. They have no right to be there and they are on a structure with a military purpose and utilisation.

I repeat, Ukraine has not approved this bridge to/from Ukraine and it has not approved any people to enter or depart from Ukraine (Crimea) on it.
 
Ill repeat.
But you want Russia for war crimes while US has a law to invade the Hague if anyone of their officials is being tried there?

I hope this is simple enough for you and others .

This thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If you object to US law about the International Court then start a separate thread on it.

From now on, every example of whataboutism that is raised in this thread will be taken as as admission that you cannot win the actual argument.
 
Top secret NATO nuclear exercise to take place over UK as Russia tensions intensify
Air forces from 14 countries are set to join the "highly sensitive" training event which aims to test the ability of allies to conduct nuclear strikes - the bedrock of NATO deterrence policy.

A NATO nuclear exercise with warplanes that can drop atomic bombs will take place from next week over the United Kingdom, the North Sea and Belgium, the alliance has said.

The annual training - called Steadfast Noon - is going ahead despite escalating tensions with Russia over fears President Vladimir Putin might consider a real nuclear strike in Ukraine.

Unusually, NATO chose to highlight well in advance the fact the exercise was coming up.

This appears to have been in a bid to ensure transparency and reduce the risk of any misunderstanding about the top secret and highly sensitive exercise.

Even the name, Steadfast Noon, was only formally declassified three or four years ago.

Air forces from some 14 countries are set to take part, with up to 60 aircraft operating over northwestern Europe, the alliance said on Friday.

They will include fighter jets from allied nations, such as Belgium and Germany, that can carry B61 bombs provided by the United States as well as US B52 bombers.

No live weapons will be used.

The jets will be escorted by other warplanes along with refuelling aircraft and spy planes.

The aim is to test the ability of allies to conduct nuclear strikes - the bedrock of NATO deterrence policy.

"Training flights will take place over Belgium… as well as over the North Sea and the United Kingdom," NATO said in a statement.

Training helps ensure nuclear deterrent is 'safe, secure and effective'

The B-52 long-range bombers will fly from Minot Air Base in North Dakota.

Hosted this year by Belgium, the training will run from Monday until 30 October.

Oana Lungescu, the alliance spokesperson, said: "This exercise helps ensure that the alliance's nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective."

A different NATO country hosts the exercise each year. Last year it was Italy's turn.

Everything related to the alliance's nuclear policy, posture and activity is normally top secret.

Allies try to be incredibly careful about any comments on nuclear weapons because even that could be seen as escalatory.

Similarly, NATO does not spell out when it might use nuclear weapons, other than to say such circumstances would be "extremely remote".

Drawing red lines could undermine the alliance's ability to deter threats so it prefers to be deliberately ambiguous.

But France's president appeared to break with this convention on Wednesday.

In a television interview, Emmanuel Macron said his country would not retaliate with a nuclear strike should Russia's Vladimir Putin launch a nuclear weapon in Ukraine or in the region.

Axing training event would have sent 'very wrong signal'

Russia has used the threat of a nuclear strike in Ukraine as part of its efforts to deter the West from supporting the Ukrainian military.

The Ukraine crisis appears to have prompted the alliance to be increasingly public about its annual nuclear exercise.

Jens Stoltenberg, the NATO Secretary General, said earlier in the week it would send a "very wrong signal" to cancel the long-planned event.

Ben Wallace, the British defence secretary, echoed this view and noted that Russia's nuclear forces are due to conduct their annual training exercise at around the same time.

"I think that is the key. What we don't want is to do things out of routine," he said on Thursday, speaking on the sidelines of a meeting of NATO defence ministers in Brussels.

Only three of NATO's 30 allies have nuclear weapons - the US, the UK and France.

But France plays no direct role in NATO's nuclear deterrence and is not part of the alliance's nuclear planning group, which oversees all allied nuclear matters.

SKY
 
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US announces new $725m military assistance package for Ukraine
The new aid is aimed at restocking ammunition for advanced weapons systems used in Ukraine’s counteroffensive.

The United States will send Ukraine an additional $725m package of weapons and other military assistance, the White House has said, as Washington added to a flurry of aid announcements from European allies this week amid Russia’s renewed missile attacks on Kyiv and other targets.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement on Friday that the aid follows “in the wake of Russia’s brutal missile attacks on civilians across Ukraine”, and “the mounting evidence of atrocities by Russia’s forces”.

As Ukrainian “defenders push back Russia’s forces”, the US stands united with Ukraine, Blinken said later in a tweet.

Washington’s newest military package includes more ammunition for HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems) and brings the total US military assistance to Ukraine to $18.3bn since the start of Joe Biden’s administration, the Department of Defence said in a separate statement.

The US has sent 20 HIMARS to Ukraine and has promised 18 more that would be delivered in the coming years. HIMARS have proven to be a critical weapon that has improved Ukraine’s ability to strike ammunition depots, bridges and other key targets that erode Russia’s ability to resupply troops.

Officials said the new US package is largely aimed at restocking thousands of rounds of ammunition for the weapons systems Ukraine has been successfully using in its counteroffensive against Russia, as the war stretches into its eighth month.

Ukraine’s immediate needs continue to be additional air defences, the Department of Defense said in a statement.

“The Russians have launched hundreds of rockets at the major Ukrainian cities. Ukrainian forces have had some success at shooting down the missiles, but they need more air defence capabilities,” the statement said.

A senior defence official told reporters at the Pentagon that Russia had fired more than 80 missiles at Ukrainian targets during one recent 24-hour period and that Ukrainian air defences were able to intercept about half of them.


The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the US assessment of the war, said that the intercepts use a lot of ammunition because it is likely Ukrainians fired more than one round at each incoming missile.

The US aid announcement caps a string of commitments from allies this week.

The United Kingdom said last week it would provide missiles for the advanced NASAM (National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System) the Pentagon plans to send to Ukraine. The UK also is sending hundreds of drones and 18 howitzer artillery guns.

Germany has sent the first of four promised IRIS-T air defence systems; France pledged more artillery, anti-aircraft systems and missiles; the Netherlands said it would send missiles and Canada is planning to send winter equipment, drone cameras and satellite communications.

The commitments come as Russia has intensified its attacks, hitting the Kyiv region with kamikaze drones and firing missiles elsewhere at civilian targets, including a hospital, a kindergarten and other buildings in the town of Nikopol, across the river from the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.

The attacks have been described as Russian revenge for the bombing of the strategic Kerch Bridge linking Russia with annexed Crimea. Kremlin war hawks have urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to escalate the bombing campaign even more to punish Ukraine for the recent truck bomb attack on the bridge.

Ukraine has not claimed responsibility for the attack.

Russia’s surge in missile strikes also represents an urgent effort by Moscow to regain its footing as Ukraine’s fierce counteroffensive has taken back towns and territory Russia had overrun in the earlier days of the war.

Al Jazeera
 
Are you a member of Britain first or the EDL?

Such rhetoric only shows you have little to no knowledge of this conflict and can only reply like another poster, go live there then lol.

You were cheering the terrorist attack on the bridge.

New documents show Britain was a part of this terrorist attack. As Brits we should condemn this, our taxes shouldnt be used to further terrorism in the world. One could argue the British state , government and forces are of a terrorist nature but this was a most stupid attack on Russia. If Russia hits say the Eurotunnel, it would further ruin the economy here.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/

I cheering the bridge attack too. I wish it had taken the whole bridge down.

I have no wish to see Russian soldiers die, but until Putin is deposed and they leave Ukraine this will keep happening.

You would be quick to praise Palestinian armed resistance to Israel in the Occupied Territories.

Putin will not bomb Eurotunnel as it would amount to an act of war against at least two NATO member states. He’s evil, not stupid.
 
the videos from Moscow and St Petersburg are grim. Cops lying in wait in subways etc and just grapping men at random for the draft.

Arrest warrants been issued for a few military journos too, Girkin and co.
 
The political war in the UK has nothing on the Ukraine war.

UK is fighting for its economy, Russia has a booming economy, won an economic war.

Democracy vs Authoritarian

I know which I would pick.

You've spent a lifetime chanting "God save Prince Andrew's mum/bro" so we know which one you've chosen.
 
the videos from Moscow and St Petersburg are grim. Cops lying in wait in subways etc and just grapping men at random for the draft.

Arrest warrants been issued for a few military journos too, Girkin and co.

Why weren't you commenting when the Ukranians were forcing people in the same way.

Oh right, when Ukraine does it - it's normal/ignored. If Russia does it, it's "grim".

Keep these gems coming.
 
I cheering the bridge attack too. I wish it had taken the whole bridge down.

I have no wish to see Russian soldiers die, but until Putin is deposed and they leave Ukraine this will keep happening.

You would be quick to praise Palestinian armed resistance to Israel in the Occupied Territories.

From a military standpoint I understand targeting the Kerch Strait Bridge. It was used to transfer military personnel and equipment to the southern corridor.

But they failed - so the initial celebrations which you and cpleigh and millions of others were involved with - were pointless. Trains are running and cars are moving.

The Palestinians are defending their territory because decades ago their land was illegally taken from them and they had no say. The Ukranians in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine have had their say and they want to be a part of Russia.

Whether you and others bnelieve the referendums or not - is irrelevant, the people there are what matters.

By the way the bridge attack led to a barrage of endless missiles and rockets all over Ukraine overwhelming the air defence and damaging a lot of different infrastructure. A huge risk the Ukranians took and it backfired within 48 hours.
 
Russia-Ukraine updates: US to send further $725 million in weapons

Washington is sending another round of military aid to refill Ukraine's weapons stocks, including more HIMARS rocket systems. Meanwhile, Iran denies sending Russia weapons. DW has the latest.

Washington has announced that it will send more arms and munitions to help Ukraine fend off the Russian invasion.

The package worth a total of $725 million (€745 million) will include HIMARS mobile rocket launch systems — the long-range artillery weapons that played a key role in the Ukrainian counteroffensive in September.

It will also include more munitions, armored vehicles and medical supplies, the White House said. The aim of the package is to restock Ukrainian supplies rather than provide any new types of weapons.

"We will continue to stand with the people of Ukraine as they defend their freedom and independence with extraordinary courage and boundless determination," US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement.

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Source: DW


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I just don't see this war ending.

It is simply too profitable at current point.


USA/UK/Israel etc. extracted their assets from Ukraine as war started.

Rich Russians and their children won't be joining war even if Moscow is conquered tomorrow.

Only the poor who can't flee / naive idiots who bought the war mongering propaganda (from both sides) will keep on dying.

Of course, Yankee Military Industrial complex have their meal for this decade financed by 'Murican / European taxpayer.
 
Why weren't you commenting when the Ukranians were forcing people in the same way.

Oh right, when Ukraine does it - it's normal/ignored. If Russia does it, it's "grim".

Keep these gems coming.

the 2 aren't comparable at all.

Ukraine are defending their country, Russia aren't.
 
the 2 aren't comparable at all.

Ukraine are defending their country, Russia aren't.

Lol. These territories joined Russia recently, so yes the Russians are also defending their country.

Keep up with the news.
 
From a military standpoint I understand targeting the Kerch Strait Bridge. It was used to transfer military personnel and equipment to the southern corridor.

But they failed - so the initial celebrations which you and cpleigh and millions of others were involved with - were pointless. Trains are running and cars are moving.

The Palestinians are defending their territory because decades ago their land was illegally taken from them and they had no say. The Ukranians in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine have had their say and they want to be a part of Russia.

Whether you and others bnelieve the referendums or not - is irrelevant, the people there are what matters.

By the way the bridge attack led to a barrage of endless missiles and rockets all over Ukraine overwhelming the air defence and damaging a lot of different infrastructure. A huge risk the Ukranians took and it backfired within 48 hours.

your delusions know no bounds. Its hilarious. The bridge attack has stopped Russia being able to resupply the south, and won't be repaired until July 2023.

Russia's petty attacks have only achieved 2 things:
Emptying Russias stocks
More air defence systems going to Ukraine.

Very soon Ukraine will have total air dominance.

It's backfired alright.... but for the Russians
 
no they didn't, Only in Putins world. They are part of Ukraine

Well - the people voted and the results were clear as day. Now let's see if the Ukranians can take the territory back and void these referendums shall we?
 
your delusions know no bounds. Its hilarious. The bridge attack has stopped Russia being able to resupply the south, and won't be repaired until July 2023.

Russia's petty attacks have only achieved 2 things:
Emptying Russias stocks
More air defence systems going to Ukraine.

Very soon Ukraine will have total air dominance.

It's backfired alright.... but for the Russians

The bridge won't be totally repaired for some time, but the trains are running and one of the roads is open with traffic flowing - switching directions after periods of time. What needs to be repaired is the safety barriers and more importantly one of the roads.

Emptying Russia's stocks? Dude you've been saying the same crap since goodness knows well. But the missiles keep being launched and landing. Even overnight there were more of them. This tells us they are clearly in production.

You never discuss the logistics or the maintenance. Every single military person has said the same thing, these weapons need trained operators, supplies and maintenance. How are Ukranian armed forces who have trained with soviet era equipment all their lives going to quickly switch over to new equipment? They can't, they'll need training and/or have them operated remotely by NATO forces.

Basically Ukraine's armed forces have a hodge podge of all sorts of western equipment that they are not effectively trained with and cannot ensure logistics and supply lines for. For the Russians it's easier, they are using their own equipment that they have always trained with.

Russians have always preferred military quantity over quality. That's what did the job in Kursk. Speaking of Kursk, we're are at that stage here too. The conflict is over, Russia have won. But like Kursk, it could be another year or two before the west finally accepts defeat.
 
The conflict is over, Russia have won.

You have been saying this quite a few times recently, I think you are trying to convince yourself rather than your detractors. Mind you personally I am still not sure who the 'victors' will be.

Tho if as you stated Russia's mission was and I am paraphrasing 1) To get rid of Ukraine's current government 2) To install puppet government til 'elections' are held 3) Destroy all US chemical and bio labs (any news of this?) 4) To get Donetsk in order to consolidate southern corridor with Crimea - judging by this at the moment it is touch and go whether they can even accomplish aim number 4! This does not sound like winning to me.
 
your delusions know no bounds. Its hilarious. The bridge attack has stopped Russia being able to resupply the south, and won't be repaired until July 2023.

Russia's petty attacks have only achieved 2 things:
Emptying Russias stocks
More air defence systems going to Ukraine.

Very soon Ukraine will have total air dominance.

It's backfired alright.... but for the Russians

Ok so I think you don't really understand the military situation properly.

The Russians have plenty of stock. Anybody who says otherwise is either a propagandist , a foreign Intel agency doing it'd job of psyops or ignorant.

They may have logistic issues about getting these weapons to the front quickly but theybare not going tonrun our anytime soon. They have already started using kamikaze drones which are cheap to produce thus allowing them breathing room to get more Cruise missiles and other ammunition into theatre.

Coming onto to your stupid and frankly ridiculous statement about total air dominance. Can you firstly describe what that is? You cannot rule the skies without an air force. Period. The Ukrainians have a very limited number of air craft. Probably a handful left. Most of their airforce has been destroyed hence why zelensky was begging for air defences..

They have no major air defences. The Russians granted have been rubbish at SEAD but we knew their avionics weren't all that great. Enough to take care of Ukraine though. And now they will be carrying out intense air operations.

Ultimately the Ukrainians will lose this war. Its inevitable. Now with Poland sniffing around to look to influence or even take western Ukraine, Belarus is thinking of invading too. Its a mess and there is no way zelensky comes out of this in one piece other than via Hollywood..
 
You have been saying this quite a few times recently, I think you are trying to convince yourself rather than your detractors. Mind you personally I am still not sure who the 'victors' will be.

Tho if as you stated Russia's mission was and I am paraphrasing 1) To get rid of Ukraine's current government 2) To install puppet government til 'elections' are held 3) Destroy all US chemical and bio labs (any news of this?) 4) To get Donetsk in order to consolidate southern corridor with Crimea - judging by this at the moment it is touch and go whether they can even accomplish aim number 4! This does not sound like winning to me.

Bones was wrong about the first two. Ultimately its all about the crimea. Even the east is secondary. It only became a primary concern because of Ukraines NATO dalliance.

Crimea is where it's at. Putin never wanted to overthrow the gov because he would need to find a replacement and we have seen ruling is hard when you are an invading power. Crimea and that area odessa etc is where the real game is. Putin wants to secure his soft under belly black sea area. That's what he will do and is doing..hence why the massive response after the bridge attack.
 
Well - the people voted and the results were clear as day. Now let's see if the Ukranians can take the territory back and void these referendums shall we?

We should all know what Western Liberal Democracy means to liberals by now; it's not a democracy or a valid outcome if the result is not what liberals want.

Liberal hypocrisy and fascism has been thoroughly exposed, and while they weep about whataboutism, the fact is, liberals are intellectually bankrupt and are running on hypocrisy reserves.
 
We should all know what Western Liberal Democracy means to liberals by now; it's not a democracy or a valid outcome if the result is not what liberals want.

Liberal hypocrisy and fascism has been thoroughly exposed, and while they weep about whataboutism, the fact is, liberals are intellectually bankrupt and are running on hypocrisy reserves.

Very good post.

They call these elections sham elections but they can't offer proofs.

If people have voted to join Russia, that should be respected.
 
You have been saying this quite a few times recently, I think you are trying to convince yourself rather than your detractors. Mind you personally I am still not sure who the 'victors' will be.

There were some unknowns to us at the start. For example the level of support flooding into the country from nato and the sabotage of the pipelines. However these just delay the inevitable. MSM is doing an excellent job of portraying the Russians as this evil and incompetent army ruled by a dictator. That isn't the reality.
 
By inevitable I mean the surrender not the defeat. The defeat has already been done.
 
Bones was wrong about the first two. Ultimately its all about the crimea. Even the east is secondary. It only became a primary concern because of Ukraines NATO dalliance.

Crimea is where it's at. Putin never wanted to overthrow the gov because he would need to find a replacement and we have seen ruling is hard when you are an invading power. Crimea and that area odessa etc is where the real game is. Putin wants to secure his soft under belly black sea area. That's what he will do and is doing..hence why the massive response after the bridge attack.

Bones is this forum's mouthpiece for Russia. A RT correspondence. If anyone knew of the aims of Russia at the beginning of this SMO it was him. He had his fingers on the pulse of all forums/experts extolling the Russian position so it is unfair to say Bones got it wrong, he got it right but as he explains in his response their were some unknown knowns and some unknown unknowns.

I thought they already had Crimea, comparitively trouble free since 2014. It seemed as the West had generally accepted this. If anything this SMO has put that into jeopardy. As for the NATO dalliance, I am led to believe that NATO never accepts membership from a country that has an ongoing border dispute and with the situation in Donetsk and that dispute being with Russia of all countries I think it woupd be highly unlikely that NATO would have accepted Ukraine as a member.
 
Bones is this forum's mouthpiece for Russia. A RT correspondence. If anyone knew of the aims of Russia at the beginning of this SMO it was him. He had his fingers on the pulse of all forums/experts extolling the Russian position so it is unfair to say Bones got it wrong, he got it right but as he explains in his response their were some unknown knowns and some unknown unknowns.

I thought they already had Crimea, comparitively trouble free since 2014. It seemed as the West had generally accepted this. If anything this SMO has put that into jeopardy. As for the NATO dalliance, I am led to believe that NATO never accepts membership from a country that has an ongoing border dispute and with the situation in Donetsk and that dispute being with Russia of all countries I think it woupd be highly unlikely that NATO would have accepted Ukraine as a member.

Who was the politician who used that line ???? U knowns and unknowns
 
There were some unknowns to us at the start. For example the level of support flooding into the country from nato and the sabotage of the pipelines. However these just delay the inevitable. MSM is doing an excellent job of portraying the Russians as this evil and incompetent army ruled by a dictator. That isn't the reality.

Like Mike Tyson says, not the exact quote - everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. So poor planning and intelligence lead to a watering down of the SMO aims, I hope you can concede that.

You would have us believe that the Russian army is the opposite of evil and incompetent, that would mean good and competent. That is also a stretch. Putin not a dictator? There are cheerleaders for him on this forum revelling in the fact that he is authoritarian. I guess he must be a benevolent authoritarian.
 
Very good post.

They call these elections sham elections but they can't offer proofs.

If people have voted to join Russia, that should be respected.

I read a funny true story today, two chaps from Finland have annexed the Russian ambassador's/dimplomat's car parking space in Helsinki. They painted the Ukrainian flag on the annexed land, they claim legitimacy as they carried out a Referendum, namely the two of them. Made me chuckle. I guess it is as legitimate as Putin's referendums.
 
I can see why people would believe that. Actually most of the material I read and follow is western alternative media.

Sure all the media that extols the Russian position, favourably. Nothing wrong with that, other members of this forum on this thread do the opposite. It will come out in the wash.
 
Very good post.

They call these elections sham elections but they can't offer proofs.

If people have voted to join Russia, that should be respected.

"They" are the United Nations General Assembly. Why would you respect a vote held at gunpoint?
 
"They" are the United Nations General Assembly. Why would you respect a vote held at gunpoint?

Gunpoint? Any proof?

It is a warzone. Nothing wrong if there are armed guards there.

Also, we know what kind of joke of an organization UN is. It is more spineless than ICC.
 
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From a military standpoint I understand targeting the Kerch Strait Bridge. It was used to transfer military personnel and equipment to the southern corridor.

But they failed - so the initial celebrations which you and cpleigh and millions of others were involved with - were pointless. Trains are running and cars are moving.

The Palestinians are defending their territory because decades ago their land was illegally taken from them and they had no say. The Ukranians in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine have had their say and they want to be a part of Russia.

Whether you and others bnelieve the referendums or not - is irrelevant, the people there are what matters.


By the way the bridge attack led to a barrage of endless missiles and rockets all over Ukraine overwhelming the air defence and damaging a lot of different infrastructure. A huge risk the Ukranians took and it backfired within 48 hours.

Military power and coercion of the people what matters. Putin has it in Crimea, Donbas etc.

Of course the Ukrainians will accept huge risk. They are in a war for their national survival. They will never stop.
 
Gunpoint? Any proof?

It is a warzone. Nothing wrong if there are armed guards there.

Also, we know what kind of joke of an organization UN is. It is more spineless than ICC.

A Russian soldier with an assault rifle comes to your house and asks if you want to vote to be Russian. How are you going to vote?
 
A Russian soldier with an assault rifle comes to your house and asks if you want to vote to be Russian. How are you going to vote?

Did that really happen though?

Those seemed like armed guards to me (due to warzone).
 
Gunpoint? Any proof?

It is a warzone. Nothing wrong if there are armed guards there.

Also, we know what kind of joke of an organization UN is. It is more spineless than ICC.

A Russian soldier with an assault rifle comes to your house and asks if you want to vote to be Russian. How are you going to vote?

Of, and if the UN doesn't count, then the whole postwar liberal order does not count, and the only thing left is military force.
 
A Russian soldier with an assault rifle comes to your house and asks if you want to vote to be Russian. How are you going to vote?

The vast majority queued at local polling booths to vote. But please, if you want to continue with your propaganda, by all means do.
 
Of, and if the UN doesn't count, then the whole postwar liberal order does not count, and the only thing left is military force.

UN has become a pointless organization.

UN can't stop countries like Russia, Iran, North Korea, America, China, India, Pakistan etc.

It is just for a show. I think UN should be abolished.
 
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