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UN has become a pointless organization.

UN can't stop countries like Russia, Iran, North Korea, America, China, India, Pakistan etc.

It is just for a show. I think UN should be abolished.

You may have a point there. I think it has fallen short of its objectives overall.

Though it has arguably prevented bloodshed by mediation between aggrieved neighbour states.

A big problem is that any one of USA, UK, France, Russia and China can and sometimes do veto any Resolution.
 
Wrong.

The Crimean Bridge is an unlawful bridge, which does not have planning permission from Ukraine. And none of the people travelling between Ukraine and Russia on it have approval from the Ukrainian government to do so.

These people are not civilians
. They have no right to be there and they are on a structure with a military purpose and utilisation.

I repeat, Ukraine has not approved this bridge to/from Ukraine and it has not approved any people to enter or depart from Ukraine (Crimea) on it.

Suicide truck bombing killing civilians is a terrorist attack. Its sad to read any sane human being not only justifying this but also cheering it. The bridge is reality , it carries civilians, its perversion to think to kill people on this bridge is fine.

You failed to mention it was a truck bomb and also the evidence British intelligence had a hand it.

But thanks for making it clear you support terrorism.

This thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If you object to US law about the International Court then start a separate thread on it.

From now on, every example of whataboutism that is raised in this thread will be taken as as admission that you cannot win the actual argument.

lol. USA is the main backer in Ukraine. The point was easy for most to understand. If you cry about War Crimes by Russia you should also demand US or even Ukrainians aslo be responsible but now we know you support their terrorism.
 
I cheering the bridge attack too. I wish it had taken the whole bridge down.

I have no wish to see Russian soldiers die, but until Putin is deposed and they leave Ukraine this will keep happening.

You would be quick to praise Palestinian armed resistance to Israel in the Occupied Territories.

Putin will not bomb Eurotunnel as it would amount to an act of war against at least two NATO member states. He’s evil, not stupid.

You cheer a truck bomb possible suicide bomb which killed 3 civillians?

I assume then you also believe 7/7 was justified too as Iraq had been immorally invaded?

You also support attacks on Brits by Russians as Brits are sending arms to Ukrainians and training their soldiers here in the UK?
 
You cheer a truck bomb possible suicide bomb which killed 3 civillians?

I assume then you also believe 7/7 was justified too as Iraq had been immorally invaded?

You also support attacks on Brits by Russians as Brits are sending arms to Ukrainians and training their soldiers here in the UK?

False equivalence as the truck bomb went off in occupied territory, not the invader’s capital.

If that makes me a hypocrite, so be it. So are you. So are we all. You have to stand for something you believe in. I believe that democracy must be defended from invasion by despots. Slava Ukraine!
 
False equivalence as the truck bomb went off in occupied territory, not the invader’s capital.

If that makes me a hypocrite, so be it. So are you. So are we all. You have to stand for something you believe in. I believe that democracy must be defended from invasion by despots. Slava Ukraine!

Dont worry there are many more comparisions as now you have confirmed if its occupied territory its not terrorism.

So please confirm.

British soldiers blown up by bombs in Iraq were ok to be killed and it was not terrorism?

Killing any Israeli settler is not terrorism?

Shooting, blowing up any British vessel in Russian waters is not state terrorism?

The 3 civilians killed on the bridge are not victims?
 
You cheer a truck bomb possible suicide bomb which killed 3 civillians?

I assume then you also believe 7/7 was justified too as Iraq had been immorally invaded?

You also support attacks on Brits by Russians as Brits are sending arms to Ukrainians and training their soldiers here in the UK?





I hope you do know the strategic significance of the Bridge, as its the only bridge that connects Crimea with the rest of Russia..
 
A Russian soldier with an assault rifle comes to your house and asks if you want to vote to be Russian. How are you going to vote?

Did that really happen though?

Those seemed like armed guards to me (due to warzone).

Yes, it did. And none of the 65% of Donbas residents who have fled to western Ukraine were allowed by the Russians to vote.
 
Several countries including China have asked for their embassies and people to evacuate Ukraine. I am not sure what those people are still doing there but anyways it looks like something is going to happen.

1 - a big offensive from the Russian army using the mobilisation
2 - a nuclear false flag

I didn't think a nuclear false flag was an option but things are so desperate with so many western economies I wouldn't be surprised. The MSM keep shouting and screeching Nukes so loud now and so often that the sheep believe Putin would fire first.
 
Dont worry there are many more comparisions as now you have confirmed if its occupied territory its not terrorism.

So please confirm.

British soldiers blown up by bombs in Iraq were ok to be killed and it was not terrorism?

Killing any Israeli settler is not terrorism?

Shooting, blowing up any British vessel in Russian waters is not state terrorism?

The 3 civilians killed on the bridge are not victims?

As ever you are conflating different issues.

Violence is never “ok”. But it is inevitable if a nation behaves badly and oppresses another. People will kick back against the oppressor.

UK should never have got into Bush 43’s war in Iraq. Violence against British soldiers resulted.

Israel should get out of the Occupied Territories. Violence against IDF soldiers results from that incursion and continued Geneva Convention violations.

No British vessel is in Russian waters. That would be an act of war.

Of course the civilians on the bridge are victims - of Putin’s imperialism. Violence beats violence.
 
Several countries including China have asked for their embassies and people to evacuate Ukraine. I am not sure what those people are still doing there but anyways it looks like something is going to happen.

1 - a big offensive from the Russian army using the mobilisation
2 - a nuclear false flag

I didn't think a nuclear false flag was an option but things are so desperate with so many western economies I wouldn't be surprised. The MSM keep shouting and screeching Nukes so loud now and so often that the sheep believe Putin would fire first.

Absolutely amazing. A Nuclear false flag? From NATO? a nuclear false flag in a country that borders NATO countries.

YOu are absolutely mental
 
Several countries including China have asked for their embassies and people to evacuate Ukraine. I am not sure what those people are still doing there but anyways it looks like something is going to happen.

1 - a big offensive from the Russian army using the mobilisation
2 - a nuclear false flag

I didn't think a nuclear false flag was an option but things are so desperate with so many western economies I wouldn't be surprised. The MSM keep shouting and screeching Nukes so loud now and so often that the sheep believe Putin would fire first.

https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-eu-countries-urgently-evacuating-diplomats-from-ukraine/

Nope not true. Not any EU countries anyway. Read somewhere China has asked it's nationals to evacuate but needs their embassy to facilitate the evacuation. Seriously Bones if as you say the Western economies are desperate, how does nuclear armageddon help?
 
Several countries including China have asked for their embassies and people to evacuate Ukraine. I am not sure what those people are still doing there but anyways it looks like something is going to happen.

1 - a big offensive from the Russian army using the mobilisation
2 - a nuclear false flag

I didn't think a nuclear false flag was an option but things are so desperate with so many western economies I wouldn't be surprised. The MSM keep shouting and screeching Nukes so loud now and so often that the sheep believe Putin would fire first.

Western economies are not “desperate.” Worse case, it will be like the 1960s where on a cold night we just put another blanket on. So there might be power cuts like in the 1970s. Big deal. We lit candles.
 
Absolutely amazing. A Nuclear false flag? From NATO? a nuclear false flag in a country that borders NATO countries.

YOu are absolutely mental

It is western MSM who keep running with the Nuclear Weapon stories.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-russia-ukraine-war-nuclear-weapons-b2201321.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...id-panic-if-russia-nuclear-bomb-ukraine-putin
https://news.sky.com/story/what-mea...ike-and-what-would-it-mean-for-putin-12719472
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-10-15/will-putin-use-nuclear-weapons-in-ukraine

All of this despite Putin only saying we will "protect our territory by all means".
 
how does nuclear armageddon help?

I have said for a long time now and you can drill through my posts to confirm, the only way the west defeat Russia in this conflict (not a war yet) is if NATO puts boots on the ground and planes in the sky. The western leaders and intelligence agencies know this even if MSM persists with the fantasy they put out.

In order to try to and convince the public they should send NATO forces into Ukraine, they needed a compelling case. They tried with the Bucha massacre, they tried with the Mariupol siege and some other big events too, but the public especially especially the American public had/have no appetite for a war with Russia or anyone for that matter.

What would convince the public they need to join in? At this point - nothing short of a chemical or nuclear attack. In fact I don't even think a chemical attack would be enough. The deep state knows this and so...
 
Western economies are not “desperate.” Worse case, it will be like the 1960s where on a cold night we just put another blanket on. So there might be power cuts like in the 1970s. Big deal. We lit candles.

Come back to the real world.

Examples from people I work with and my friend that explain the situation here in the UK.

Friend's mortage is due for re-mortgaging when his current fix term ends in March, at the current rates he estimates his mortgage will go up by £380, which for a middle income family is a huge amount. But we know that the BoE will raise the rates further.

Another friend of mine says his landlord has said he plans to increase the rent by £150 pcm, which doesn't sound like a lot but living in the midlands and not having a high income job that's a big sum. So, he's looking around for a smaller place. Can you believe he's going to have to downsize with his partner from a 2 bed terraced.

A colleague of mine was in the middle of a house purchase and just a couple of months from closing. Well his chain fell apart because one of the couples had the mortgage offer withdrawn. Now I didn't think it was possible - but hey ho that's what he's telling me.

This is just in a small circle of mine and the situation is happening all over the country in big numbers not like we've seen in our lifetimes. Just look at MSE forums, one of the top forums for helping with financial issues/questions. Being flooded with this type of story, whereas it wasn't like this in the past.

The west, specifically Europe is in the middle of a sh*t storm and there are regime changes everywhere.
 
Ukranians report they attacked Belgorod airport. I guess they want to see more Russian fireworks all over Ukraine. So let's see if Russia will respond or if they have actually "run out of missiles".
 
Ukranians report they attacked Belgorod airport. I guess they want to see more Russian fireworks all over Ukraine. So let's see if Russia will respond or if they have actually "run out of missiles".

The ukrops didn't make it back. There down to their last few SU27's and SU25's. Both allegedly got shot down. The Russians seem to be in a holding pattern hence building defence lines etc.
 
The ukrops didn't make it back. There down to their last few SU27's and SU25's. Both allegedly got shot down. The Russians seem to be in a holding pattern hence building defence lines etc.
Are these their SUs or have they been donated by the west? Hard to keep up with all these pointless donations.
 

Teenagers rely on TikTok as a source of news.

One thing is for sure, the MSM narrative is changing on a daily basis. Clearly the Western warmongers have been rattled by Russia, which apparently has run out of missiles.
 
Come back to the real world.

Examples from people I work with and my friend that explain the situation here in the UK.

Friend's mortage is due for re-mortgaging when his current fix term ends in March, at the current rates he estimates his mortgage will go up by £380, which for a middle income family is a huge amount. But we know that the BoE will raise the rates further.

Another friend of mine says his landlord has said he plans to increase the rent by £150 pcm, which doesn't sound like a lot but living in the midlands and not having a high income job that's a big sum. So, he's looking around for a smaller place. Can you believe he's going to have to downsize with his partner from a 2 bed terraced.

A colleague of mine was in the middle of a house purchase and just a couple of months from closing. Well his chain fell apart because one of the couples had the mortgage offer withdrawn. Now I didn't think it was possible - but hey ho that's what he's telling me.

This is just in a small circle of mine and the situation is happening all over the country in big numbers not like we've seen in our lifetimes. Just look at MSE forums, one of the top forums for helping with financial issues/questions. Being flooded with this type of story, whereas it wasn't like this in the past.

The west, specifically Europe is in the middle of a sh*t storm and there are regime changes everywhere.

None of that means the western economies are in freefall.

The UK has witnessed an unusual prolonged period of low interest rates for years because of the 2008 crash. The US interest rates are higher and they are booming.

Stop pretending you know anything about the UK from your bedroom in chennai
 
Are these their SUs or have they been donated by the west? Hard to keep up with all these pointless donations.

Someone's getting salty.... Almost as if these 'pointless' donations are starting to trigger and acceptance with Russian bots
 
None of that means the western economies are in freefall.

The UK has witnessed an unusual prolonged period of low interest rates for years because of the 2008 crash. The US interest rates are higher and they are booming.

Stop pretending you know anything about the UK from your bedroom in chennai

Stop pretending you know anything about economic sitting in your chachu's basement in Southall. See how childish these kind of comments sound?

As for the British economy not being in freefall or European economies. Even MSM can't cover up the dire situation anymore.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ck-declining-pms-medicine-made-patient-worse/

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics

The Financial Times, which unlike other MSM outlets does have to print the truth more frequently is having a field day with the economic situation. Liz Truss, Shoclz, Macron and others are not in trouble because of global warming or Covid policies, they are all in trouble because of the economic and energy situation.

https://www.ft.com/world/uk
 
Someone's getting salty.... Almost as if these 'pointless' donations are starting to trigger and acceptance with Russian bots

Well Russia is fighting Ukraine + of NATO's weapons and winning, nothing to be saty about. It's interesting how you were quick to discuss those gains in the Kharkov/Izyum front, but no mention of the catastrophe for the Ukranian forces around the Kherson front yesterday or in recent weeks.
 
Are these their SUs or have they been donated by the west? Hard to keep up with all these pointless donations.

Well Russia is fighting Ukraine + of NATO's weapons and winning, nothing to be saty about. It's interesting how you were quick to discuss those gains in the Kharkov/Izyum front, but no mention of the catastrophe for the Ukranian forces around the Kherson front yesterday or in recent weeks.

There wasn't any catastrophe yesterday, the only people peddling it were Russian. Bots with Russian flags in their bio... And amazingly every single tweet was identical
 
Stop pretending you know anything about economic sitting in your chachu's basement in Southall. See how childish these kind of comments sound?

As for the British economy not being in freefall or European economies. Even MSM can't cover up the dire situation anymore.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ck-declining-pms-medicine-made-patient-worse/

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics

The Financial Times, which unlike other MSM outlets does have to print the truth more frequently is having a field day with the economic situation. Liz Truss, Shoclz, Macron and others are not in trouble because of global warming or Covid policies, they are all in trouble because of the economic and energy situation.

https://www.ft.com/world/uk

How about sticking to things you know about and leave all things British economy wise to people who actually live there.
 
Come back to the real world.

Examples from people I work with and my friend that explain the situation here in the UK.

Friend's mortage is due for re-mortgaging when his current fix term ends in March, at the current rates he estimates his mortgage will go up by £380, which for a middle income family is a huge amount. But we know that the BoE will raise the rates further.

Another friend of mine says his landlord has said he plans to increase the rent by £150 pcm, which doesn't sound like a lot but living in the midlands and not having a high income job that's a big sum. So, he's looking around for a smaller place. Can you believe he's going to have to downsize with his partner from a 2 bed terraced.

A colleague of mine was in the middle of a house purchase and just a couple of months from closing. Well his chain fell apart because one of the couples had the mortgage offer withdrawn. Now I didn't think it was possible - but hey ho that's what he's telling me.

This is just in a small circle of mine and the situation is happening all over the country in big numbers not like we've seen in our lifetimes. Just look at MSE forums, one of the top forums for helping with financial issues/questions. Being flooded with this type of story, whereas it wasn't like this in the past.

The west, specifically Europe is in the middle of a sh*t storm and there are regime changes everywhere.

Some of that is due to Truss / Kwarteng incompetence, but our new de facto PM Jeremy Hunt is going to reverse all of the mini budget and stabilise the markets.

None of these scenarios represent "desperate" economic circumstances. It represents personal setbacks. The British are a resilient people. This isn't 1929. Some will just have to be cold for a bit. I was always cold in winter when I was a kid. My student house at uni was freezing in winter. I didn't die.

I see this situation as a positive overall, because the gov will have to push the renewables and nuclear sectors now.
 
Liberals really do not understand economics and should really read up on the basics.

The BoE was creating money at the tune of £50 Billion a month, known as QE, and this kept the Gilt yields low, rates low, but the national debt kept on increasing, into the TRILLIONs!

The Mini Budget was at a cost of a mere £45 Billion, LESS than what the BoE was creating out of thin air a month, and yet, we are to believe the GBP crumbled because of £45 Billion - pull the other one.

The UK is paying the price for high inflation which was simmering since 2008, and Putin knew he could hit multiple targets with 1 invasion. High energy costs resulted in even higher inflation - higher rates.

The UK markets will not be stabilising, do not believe liberals, because even if the mini budget is totally reversed, or taxes raised, it doesn't prevent the consumer from being out of pocket which effects both consumer spending (thus lower corporate profits, lower share price), and mortgages - repossessions coupled will unaffordability for new loans/mortgages will crucify the single pillar of the British economy - financial services.

The rest will fall like a pack of cards.
 
Oh, liberals do not care about the economy, or where society is heading as a result of austerity because as far as they are concerned, the destruction of society and economy for the sake of a proxy war on the other side of the European continent - 'is a price worth paying'.
 
How about sticking to things you know about and leave all things British economy wise to people who actually live there.

I have no reason to lie about where I live. But since you have gone down this route I'm going to ignore you. You said 2 silly things to me today bordering on insults and I have better things than waste time on you.
 
I have no reason to lie about where I live. But since you have gone down this route I'm going to ignore you. You said 2 silly things to me today bordering on insults and I have better things than waste time on you.

They are afraid, deep down they are terrified of both the economy collapsing in the West, and the threat of nuclear war.

NATO is trying to calm people by claiming Putin is not serious on launching Nuke, even tactical (though he is serious about everything else!?), while politicians are pretending the economy is sound despite BoE with its emergency intervention last week, and Biden begging Saudis/UAE to pump more oil, and EU leaders refusing to approve a new round of sanctions on Russia.

Ironic, Liberals and NATO bots have lead a life of MSM lies, now reality is settling in.

I say fantastic. Lets see how resilient and open minded these warmongering lot are.

"It's a price worth paying."
 
Remember, Liberals and NATO bots will refuse to accept the Western economy is in the doldrums, why? Simply because it will mean accepting the fact Putin has won the economic war.

Hate to be in the shoes of Liberals and NATO bot right now, like Ukrainians, they have nowhere to run or hide.
 
We are continually told there is no economic issues, so what the rental market in the UK?

https://youtu.be/euGxUSOKTSw

The dire state of the UK economy is more to do with a cluster-f*** of a mini budget, and 6 years of political incompetence following the Brexit vote.

The war in Russia is a contributing factor but by no means the main reason for any of the mess we see now.

Leave the ‘grown up’ stuff to people that understand it - the rest of the flip-flopping is amusing enough to read. But your economic analysis as as useful as Liz Truss in the media box.
 
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The dire state of the UK economy is more to do with a cluster-f*** of a mini budget, and 6 years of political incompetence following the Brexit vote.

The war in Russia is a contributing factor but by no means the main reason for any of the mess we see now.

Leave the ‘grown up’ stuff to people that understand it - the rest of the flip-flopping is amusing enough to read. But your economic analysis as as useful as Liz Truss in the media box.

Dear lord.

Inflation and interest rates in the UK (and US for that matter) were going up BEFORE the Ukraine war and BEFORE the mini budget. It was a given since 2008 with QE and ZIRP, not 6 years post Brexit.

The war in Russia is neither here nor there since liberals and NATO bots were gloating about the fact the UK doesn't rely on Russian energy.

Liz Truss is a trojan LD anyway, so figures she has no clue, and neither do you. Stick to the back of a Kellogs Cornflakes pack while reading the DailyMail.
 
Current estimates are that on the southern front Ukraine is losing 1 soldier for every 6.5 Russian soldiers killed.

The Ukrainians believe that if the ratio becomes 8:1 the Russian defence of Kherson and Mariupol will collapse.
 
Here’s a little education for those who do not understand economics.

What accelerated the inflation rate in the West was indeed, Covid. During the lockdown, the government created money out of thin air, BUT, the difference between 2008 and 2020 was that we were in lockdown. This meant that the consumer economy ground to a halt, while millions were getting payouts from the government, businesses, aswell as consumers.

Once the lock down ended, consumers had extra cash, businesses had extra cash, and all of a sudden there was a massive demand for goods. However, supply chains were nowhere back to normal, and since supply was low, demand was high, ergo, inflation.

This is elementary economics.

The war in Ukraine reduced supply for energy - that’s it. The rest, was down to Covid lockdown, and relentless QE since 2008.
 
The dire state of the UK economy is more to do with a cluster-f*** of a mini budget, and 6 years of political incompetence following the Brexit vote.

The war in Russia is a contributing factor but by no means the main reason for any of the mess we see now.

Leave the ‘grown up’ stuff to people that understand it - the rest of the flip-flopping is amusing enough to read. But your economic analysis as as useful as Liz Truss in the media box.

That’s partly it. There is also the QE and low interest rate which have driven a lot of growth in the real estate, which will be impacted by the inflation.

But this has nothing to do with the Russian sanctions. At most 2% of inflation is caused by the oil issue. Rest is mostly financial impact that was coming russia war or not. There will be a correction and it will have an impact on the economy and at worst recession. But this is the natural order of the economics. Not at all driven by Russia.

It’s funny that these russian bots question others financial understand without having any idea of economics themselves.
 
Dear lord.

Inflation and interest rates in the UK (and US for that matter) were going up BEFORE the Ukraine war and BEFORE the mini budget. It was a given since 2008 with QE and ZIRP, not 6 years post Brexit.

The war in Russia is neither here nor there since liberals and NATO bots were gloating about the fact the UK doesn't rely on Russian energy.

Liz Truss is a trojan LD anyway, so figures she has no clue, and neither do you. Stick to the back of a Kellogs Cornflakes pack while reading the DailyMail.

So your first paragraph ratifies my point.

Your second is your SOP - a simple equation ‘bile + Liberal + bot’ - nothing new, original or relevant.

And your third is a trademark barb. Written like a Daily Express mouth breather.

I get it, you’re bitter. Probably passed over in your career by ethnicities that you despise and choose forums to vent.

It’s tragic, but hey have at it - you’ve always got a career in happy fried chicken or Ackbar’s mini cabs.

There’s a good lad, off you go.
 
So your first paragraph ratifies my point.

Your second is your SOP - a simple equation ‘bile + Liberal + bot’ - nothing new, original or relevant.

And your third is a trademark barb. Written like a Daily Express mouth breather.

I get it, you’re bitter. Probably passed over in your career by ethnicities that you despise and choose forums to vent.

It’s tragic, but hey have at it - you’ve always got a career in happy fried chicken or Ackbar’s mini cabs.

There’s a good lad, off you go.

You have not countered a single point therefore I can only conclude you accept you have next to no understanding of economics.

Run along you bitter remoaner liberal.
 
You have not countered a single point therefore I can only conclude you accept you have next to no understanding of economics.

Run along you bitter remoaner liberal.

Why would I counter a ratification? There is no basis. Forget economics, basic cognitive reasoning is beyond your grasp.

The rest of your post is nonsense, as per usual.

As fas as discourse goes, I’m a firm believer in a simple view which is to never waste my time arguing with a pleb, all they will do is drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
 
Why would I counter a ratification? There is no basis. Forget economics, basic cognitive reasoning is beyond your grasp.

The rest of your post is nonsense, as per usual.

As fas as discourse goes, I’m a firm believer in a simple view which is to never waste my time arguing with a pleb, all they will do is drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

You clearly didn’t read my post. You claim Brexit is to blame along with the mini budget, and I provided info as to why neither are responsible - your response is that I ratified your preposterous and ignorant claim.

Wipe those tears and read my responses slowly; I never ratified your nonsensical liberal claim.

And save the emotive rhetoric and idioms; we have all heard it before - doesn’t make you smart posting verbatim quotes off the internet.
 
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But your economic analysis as as useful as Liz Truss in the media box.

Its starting to become a pattern. Instead of discussing like adults people start posting childish comments. If you disagree with me then that's fine, no need to type those kinds of things.

If you think the SMO doesn't have a direct link to the economic situation across Europe then please explain why the ruble is out performing other currencies despite these "shock and awe sanctions".

By the way don't reply. I will be ignoring all users who post such comments.
 
I have said for a long time now and you can drill through my posts to confirm, the only way the west defeat Russia in this conflict (not a war yet) is if NATO puts boots on the ground and planes in the sky. The western leaders and intelligence agencies know this even if MSM persists with the fantasy they put out.

In order to try to and convince the public they should send NATO forces into Ukraine, they needed a compelling case. They tried with the Bucha massacre, they tried with the Mariupol siege and some other big events too, but the public especially especially the American public had/have no appetite for a war with Russia or anyone for that matter.

What would convince the public they need to join in? At this point - nothing short of a chemical or nuclear attack. In fact I don't even think a chemical attack would be enough. The deep state knows this and so...

But your whole basis for this conspiracy/theory was based on fake news regarding countries evacuating embassy staff. There are no evacuations taking place, not any EU countries anyhow. Where does this leave your idea that a false flag nuclear attack is going to take place, which I remind you again was based on your sources that evacuations are taking place?
 
Videos on telegram from both sides show trees without leaves and very thick mud around the kherson front. As soon as the ground hardens vehicles will move but have little cover.
 
Quiet on the wonder weapon front from the supporters of the Ukrainian forces. Javelins, NLAWs, M1777, Stingers, bayraktars, mi-17s, bushmasters, switchblades and himars etc etc. All of these were hyped up but clearly without widescale training and supplies they wouldn't make a difference.

Come to think of it, the Ukrainians have been given so much weaponry and ammunition it begs the question a to shy they are asking for more? A winning side wouldn't be that desperate surely?
 
I hope you do know the strategic significance of the Bridge, as its the only bridge that connects Crimea with the rest of Russia..

It doesnt make it ok to attack civilians and kill them. The bridge didnt even fall apart fully, was working within a few hours.

As ever you are conflating different issues.

Violence is never “ok”. But it is inevitable if a nation behaves badly and oppresses another. People will kick back against the oppressor.

UK should never have got into Bush 43’s war in Iraq. Violence against British soldiers resulted.

Israel should get out of the Occupied Territories. Violence against IDF soldiers results from that incursion and continued Geneva Convention violations.

No British vessel is in Russian waters. That would be an act of war.

Of course the civilians on the bridge are victims - of Putin’s imperialism. Violence beats violence.

So the truck suicide bomb was Putins fault?

You've danced around confirming if those would be terrorist attacks but there is no answer which would agree with your legit target of a civilian bridge.

Brits really have no credibility of calling others terrorists when we see British history of foreign activities.

Reminder, evidence shows British intelligence was helping in the terrorist attack on the bridge but acc to you its Putins fault people were killed.
 
Yep. This thread is depressing and I’ve been foolish to waste my time here.

Because Ukraine is losing and has been losing along with Russia ruining the European economies.

Its best all European citizens join with the millions already demanding an end to this proxy war. Too many have died already. Egging on Ukraine to the last Ukrainians is very tragic to see and very cowardly by western governments. If you are so concerned send in dads army but oh no we dont want a nuclear war. So leave the place alone.
 
Are these their SUs or have they been donated by the west? Hard to keep up with all these pointless donations.

Their own. They are trying to use them sporadically but they are being shot down. I don't think they have any SU27's left..perhaps a handful..air dominance is a myth for them at the moment.
 
You seeing the Russian and some Ukrainian telegram channels tonight? More missiles and rockers landing in several places.
 
Well Russia is fighting Ukraine + of NATO's weapons and winning, nothing to be saty about. It's interesting how you were quick to discuss those gains in the Kharkov/Izyum front, but no mention of the catastrophe for the Ukranian forces around the Kherson front yesterday or in recent weeks.
What makes this kid such a cheerleader for Russia? Is this out of some sympathy for the handful of Muslim fighters among the Russian ranks or is it a hatred for Ukraine since this leader is Jewish?
 
What makes this kid such a cheerleader for Russia? Is this out of some sympathy for the handful of Muslim fighters among the Russian ranks or is it a hatred for Ukraine since this leader is Jewish?

Religion has nothing to do with it.

Who broke the Minsk Accords? That is both the first and second. Who has been shelling the Donbas since 2014? Who has supported and allowed bio labs to be built all over Ukraine? Who cut the fresh water supply to the crimeans?
 
Russia will deploy 9,000 soldiers to Belarus, the Belarusian ministry of defence has said, as Kremlin allies began to close embassies in Kyiv because of the risk of a ground assault.

Although Alexander Lukashenko, the Belarusian president, has insisted that Russian and Belarusian forces are deploying in his country on a purely defensive operation, Western analysts have said that may be a ruse to prepare for an attack on the Ukrainian capital.

Others speculated that the movements could be a feint to distract Ukrainian troops from the active front lines in the east and south.

"It's difficult to know if this is just an 'army in being' to tie up Ukrainian defenders that could be used in the south and east or something more serious," a Kyiv-based security source told the Telegraph. "Lots of embassies are leaving."

China has told its citizens to leave Ukraine because of the security threat and some countries, such as Serbia, have closed their embassies entirely. On Tuesday, the day after the heaviest missile strike on Kyiv since the start of the war, Lithuania's embassy denied that Western diplomats planned to leave Kyiv.

The Belarusian border is 140 miles from Kyiv and was the startline for the main Russian invasion force on Feb 24. Within a month this force had been pushed back through Belarus.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...oops-ukraines-northern-border-kyiv-embassies/
 
Chinese state-media highlighted Russia's "daunting losses on the battlefield," a rare admission of the ongoing challenges the Russian military faces in Ukraine from the Kremlin ally.

China remains one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's closest international allies amid the invasion, which drew large international rebuke when Putin launched his "special military operation" on the Eastern European country on February 24. More than seven months later, Putin's military has struggled to achieve any substantial goals in the invasion, with Ukraine claiming to have retaken thousands of square miles of Russian-occupied territory.

China Daily, a news website owned by the Chinese Communist Party, published an editorial on Sunday condemning the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) for plans to conduct a nuclear "determent" exercise in late October amid rising nuclear tensions.


"Despite its daunting losses on the battlefield, Russia has only resorted to 'partial mobilization' at home, and it continues to insist it is engaged in 'special military operations' rather than a war," the editorial reads. "The European Union and the United States and its allies have limited their aid to Ukraine to arms supplies and intelligence support, so that they won't be seen as 'participating.'"

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Above, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping speak in Samarkand on September 16. Chinese state-media acknowledged “daunting” Russian losses in an editorial on Sunday, a rare admission from one of Putin’s closest international allies.
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Other than the subtle acknowledgement, China Daily's editorial largely aligned with Kremlin interests, denouncing NATO for "Steadfast Noon," the nuclear deterrence exercise, which will not involve any live bombs, and was planned before Russia invaded Ukraine. The exercise will involve 14 alliance members and up to 60 aircraft, including fourth and fifth-generation fighter jets, as well as surveillance and tanker aircraft.


China has served as an important ally of Russia as it becomes a pariah on the global stage. China has also been a vocal critic of Western sanctions lobbed against Russia and has continued importing Russian goods—especially energy, a key component of Moscow's economy.

China's Concerns Over Russian Losses
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In recent weeks, some Chinese authorities and media figures have raised concerns about the ongoing invasion.

In a September Global Times opinion piece, Hu Xijin, the newspaper's editor-in-chief, wrote that the war is "spiraling out of control" amid nuclear threats and allegations of Russian sabotage against the Nord Stream pipelines, which transported gas from Russia to Europe.

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"But there is a real risk of a new explosive development in the situation, and the possibility of a chain of reaction, followed by 'more unruly' parties in the conflict. It brings to mind that this conflict may well be spiraling out of control, and that any kind of hardball tactics could be used next," he wrote.

Putin acknowledged Chinese President Xi Jinping's concerns during a meeting last month, with both countries continuing to present themselves as allies. However, Xi has not publicly mentioned what his concerns were, with Chinese-state television later saying that China is willing to continue providing Russia with strong support, according to Reuters.

"We highly value the balanced position of our Chinese friends when it comes to the Ukraine crisis," Putin told Xi. "We understand your questions and concern about this. During today's meeting, we will of course explain our position."


Still, China and Russia continue to strengthen their relations, as both nations find themselves at odds with the West, a NATO official told Newsweek earlier this month.
 
I think there is a 50-50 chance that Ben Wallace will be the British Prime Minister by Christmas.

If that happens, the UK defence budget will increase by around 50% to 3% of GDP, and Ukraine will get provided with longer-range missiles whether Biden wants it or not.
 
I think there is a 50-50 chance that Ben Wallace will be the British Prime Minister by Christmas.

If that happens, the UK defence budget will increase by around 50% to 3% of GDP, and Ukraine will get provided with longer-range missiles whether Biden wants it or not.

Defense budget increase? At what cost?

Do you want domestic Englishmen and Englishwomen to suffer?
 
Religion has nothing to do with it.

Who broke the Minsk Accords? That is both the first and second. Who has been shelling the Donbas since 2014? Who has supported and allowed bio labs to be built all over Ukraine? Who cut the fresh water supply to the crimeans?
Ukraine has been fighting in the east… against whom? A Russian backed separatist movement. Ukraine cut off water to Crimea, a part of Ukraine… currently under illegal Russian occupation.

Mate you any to support a losing cause, go for it. If this continues for a six more months the Russians may literally not have men to fight anymore. Conscription has not turned out well, and I for one would absolutely love to see khadrov and his boys eat some lead.
 
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Defense budget increase? At what cost?

Do you want domestic Englishmen and Englishwomen to suffer?
There is an evil and aggressive nuclear-armed nation in Eastern Europe.

We have no choice but to increase our defence spending to the point that Russia is intimidated by us.
 
What makes this kid such a cheerleader for Russia? Is this out of some sympathy for the handful of Muslim fighters among the Russian ranks or is it a hatred for Ukraine since this leader is Jewish?

Religion has nothing to do with it.

Who broke the Minsk Accords? That is both the first and second. Who has been shelling the Donbas since 2014? Who has supported and allowed bio labs to be built all over Ukraine? Who cut the fresh water supply to the crimeans?

Where are you from? This is a cricket forum - have you ever posted in the cricket section?
 
If this continues for a six more months the Russians may literally not have men to fight anymore. Conscription has not turned out well, and I for one would absolutely love to see khadrov and his boys eat some lead.

Oh right, the Russians who have just gone through their first wave of mobilisation will run out of men but Ukraine who are through their 8th wave will not? You are yet another poster who wstches/reads MSM and then posts their fiction.

As for the Chechens, I'm sure that they have some agreement with Putin hence the continued support. They have done a very good job in the Donbas they were instrumental in capture of the important town of Popasnaya. They are also sending more troops to Ukraine in the coming days so let's see how they perform.
 
Do you know how bloody stupid you sound? Ukraine has been fighting in the east… against whom? A Russian backed separatist movement. Ukraine cut off water to Crimea, a part of Ukraine… currently under illegal Russian occupation.

You are posting the Ukrainian side of the story which is fiction. Read more about the situation in Ukraine with articles published before this year. The Russians are not perfect but on this situation they tried over and over to get peace in the region. But the Ukrainians supported by the US broke the Minsk Accords. The Russians had no choice but to attack.

Cutting off the water supply to an entire population didn't end well for them. It was one of the first objectives that the Russians set out and achieved, restoring the fresh water supply.
 
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Where are you from? This is a cricket forum - have you ever posted in the cricket section?

Putin is a smart man. His propaganda tentacles are everywhere on social media. Lacking the military strength to take back the ex-USSR nations which joined NATO for protection against him, he works by stealth, reducing Western resolve, from mending dissent, working away at fault lines in society, dividing us, influencing our elections and referendums.

I’m not going to comment on the war any more here. Everyone knows my position.
 
Defense budget increase? At what cost?

Do you want domestic Englishmen and Englishwomen to suffer?

Every European state is ramping up its defence budget in the face of Putin’s imperialism. Germany, the most pacifist nation since WW2, have tripled their budget.
 
Ukraine war: Multiple explosions in Kyiv as Ukraine reports kamikaze drone strikes

At least three explosions have been heard in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, after air raid sirens went off.

Mayor Vitalii Klitschko said residential buildings in the central Shevchenkivskiy area had been damaged.

Andriy Yermak, head of President Zelensky's office, said the attacks were from so-called kamikaze drones.

A week ago, the capital was hit by several Russian missiles at rush hour, part of nationwide attacks which left 19 dead.

The explosions on Monday happened at around 07:00 local time (04:00 GMT), said the BBC's Paul Adams, who is in the city.

Writing on the Telegram social media site, Mr Klitschko said they were in the Shevchenkivskiy district, which was hit by several strikes last week.

He said rescuers were on site, and told residents to stay in air raid shelters.

Mr Yermak said on Telegram that the attack was from kamikaze drones, and that Ukraine needed more air defence systems "as soon as possible".

What are kamikaze drones?
  • Small aerial weapons, also known as loitering munitions, which are destroyed after striking the target
  • Unlike other drones - which are supposed to return home after dropping missiles - kamikaze drones are disposable
  • The name derives from the Japanese pilots who volunteered to crash their planes in suicide missions in World War Two
  • President Zelensky has previously accused Russia of using Iranian-made drones


Russian President Vladimir Putin said last week's strikes were in retaliation for the bombing of a key bridge linking Russia to occupied Crimea, which he blamed on Ukraine.

It was the first time during the war that the centre of Kyiv had been directly targeted.

Earlier this week, Mr Putin said there was no need for more large-scale strikes on Ukraine.

Most designated targets had been hit, he said, adding that it was not his aim to destroy the country.

BBC
 
There are rumours from both sides of a large Russian force amassing in Belarus. It could be up to 100k. If true, this purely for fixing. In order to take Kyiv, which I don't think the Russians have any interest with, they would need at least 5 times that number. That probably means 100k to the Donbas and 100k to the south.
 
A slightly related topic. Huge protest in Paris yesterday in the tens of thousands if not over 100k. Main points being fed up with inflation, fed up with macron and the odd person here or there fed up with the support to Ukraine. Didn't get much coverage outside of European and French channels. But I'm guessing it's not long before we see more and more. MSM will try their best to shut it out.
 
Make no mistake about it, NATO members in Europe have ramped up defence spending because of one reason TRUMP!

Yes yes, recall, when European leaders were begging Trump not to bail from NATO and the great Trump managed to single-handedly force NATO members to pay their fair share, up to 2% of GDP.

Of course this happened long before Ukraine war. Thank Trump!

If Trump was in power this war would never have happened, Trump and Putin were on proper talking terms, but of course, liberal opposed the bridge-building relationship because liberals oppose peace.
 
Kyiv pounded by Russian missile/rockets, oops, I mean water bombs since we are told Russia has no missiles/rockets left.
 
A slightly related topic. Huge protest in Paris yesterday in the tens of thousands if not over 100k. Main points being fed up with inflation, fed up with macron and the odd person here or there fed up with the support to Ukraine. Didn't get much coverage outside of European and French channels. But I'm guessing it's not long before we see more and more. MSM will try their best to shut it out.

It was a protest against Inflation and rising cost of living.

Absolutely nothing to do with the support of Ukraine. You are obsessed with the MSM... it's literally been reported by the MSM
 
Another Russian oligarch has suddenly died. The eighth this year.

Nikolay Petrunin allegedly died of COVID complications.

That'll be due to falling out of a high hospital window, then.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/moscow-s-elite-in-shock-as-another-close-putin-ally-suddenly-dies-gazprom-wonderkid-and-kremlin-insider-nikolay-petrunin-is-no-more/ar-AA132ELE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7babe2250faa4343966de5803fadd07c

To quote Blackadder the Third, “he was replaced at the last minute after the previous person very sadly brutally cut his own head off while combing his hair”.
 
Kyiv pounded by Russian missile/rockets, oops, I mean water bombs since we are told Russia has no missiles/rockets left.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Seems like a lot of the attacks were by Iranian drones. Mind you there is a joke going around that Ukraine shot down 28 of the 16 launched drones, that's how effective the Air Defence is.
 
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