Sachin Tendulkar vs AB de Villiers - The overall complete batsman?

[Sachin136]

It is impossible to compare batsman over multiple eras when the ODI format is still a joke with major rule changes every 2 years. If there is a standard rule set implemented soon and the ODI format is more developed than the batsman from different eras afterwards can be compared. For now, comparing Richards to Sachin is difficult (and any conclusion might be wrong) and so is Sachin and de Villiers. We don’t know how well Richards would have done in Sachin’s time or how well both of them would have done now.

Thankfully tests have been consistent and the only major change is the protective gear (e.g. helmets), bouncer regulation and frequency of flat pitches. Still there is the issue of fewer great bowlers but at least the rules are consistent.

 

[Chrish]

ABD has been phenomenal in OdI format.. Credit has to given where it's due

 

[Hawkeye]

ABDV is playing in a batting friendly era where ODI score of 400 is scored for fun. Sachin faced better bowlers and played in more difficult conditions.

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OK, if I assume that pitches in 2000s/90s were minefields and they're all a heaven for batsmen now, ignoring the fact that it's actually more to do with batsmen playing with freedom and inventing new shots due to T20 cricket, how come ABDV is still far, FAR ahead of everyone else?!

Why no one else from this era has been able to get even close to the destruction, consistency and statistics of ABD? As you claim it's a "batsman friendyl era".

Even Tendulkar wasn't far ahead of his peers like ABD is today.

 

[Hawkeye]

About the "batting friendly era":

I'll argue that it's the mindset, tactics and boldness of the batsmen which has give rise to this "batsman friendly era".

You had Jayasuria, Viv etc. taking risks and causing destruction in the old era as well, while others preferred to bat at a strike rate in 60s/70s. Now, most batsmen naturally play aggressively. One factor which does hold weight though is the quality of bowling, which used to be superior.

But on the other hand, ABD is so far ahead of everyone else, and the way he plays, you'd think that even if he was playing in the Viv Richards era, he'd do equally well or better than Viv. He has carted around the best bowlers from this era, including the likes of Ajmal.

 

[Sachin136]

OK, if I assume that pitches in 2000s/90s were minefields and they're all a heaven for batsmen now, ignoring the fact that it's actually more to do with batsmen playing with freedom and inventing new shots due to T20 cricket, how come ABDV is still far, FAR ahead of everyone else?!

Why no one else from this era has been able to get even close to the destruction, consistency and statistics of ABD? As you claim it's a "batsman friendyl era".

Even Tendulkar wasn't far ahead of his peers like ABD is today.

For the last 5 years there hasn't been that many good ODI batsman. How many good ODI batsman does de Villiers have for competition?

Being ahead of your peers is important, but why should de Villiers get more credit just because in his era there is little competition? Sachin had to compete with batsman like Ponting while the competition for de Villiers has been less.

 

[Hawkeye]

For the last 5 years there hasn't been that many good ODI batsman. How many good ODI batsman does de Villiers have for competition?

Being ahead of your peers is important, but why should de Villiers get more credit just because in his era there is little competition? Sachin had to compete with batsman like Ponting while the competition for de Villiers has been less.

Less competition?

Dhoni, Hussey, Amla, Kohli, Smith, Williamson, Root.

It's not just batting competition, he has owned the likes of Starc, Ajmal who both are ATG ODI bowlers. In Tests he has done wonders as well, shifting gears like nobody can.

His performances and batting statistics are just unreal, even if you ignore the way he ACTUALLY plays.

 

[Sachin136]

Less competition?

Dhoni, Hussey, Amla, Kohli, Smith, Williamson, Root.

It's not just batting competition, he has owned the likes of Starc, Ajmal who both are ATG ODI bowlers. In Tests he has done wonders as well, shifting gears like nobody can.

His performances and batting statistics are just unreal, even if you ignore the way he ACTUALLY plays.

I mean competition that de Villiers has dominated. de Villiers isn’t that ahead from Dhoni.

Kohli, Smith, Williamson, Root etc are younger played by about 3-4 years. In 2-3 years when they develop they can be considered actual competition.

Starc is an ATG ODI bowler? How many times did you see de Villiers “own” Starc especially since Starc’s improvement? Sachin, Ponting etc faced many more and better bowlers and that’s a basic fact.

 

[IndianWillow]

ABDV is playing in a batting friendly era where ODI score of 400 is scored for fun. Sachin faced better bowlers and played in more difficult conditions.

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This is an exaggeration. Sachin was great against great bowlers in difficult conditions - in tests. Not in ODIs. In ODIs, Sachin was more or less an SC bully during the 90s. In fact Sachin did not get a single ODI hundred against a top eight team outside Asia throughout the 90s (which supposedly includes his peak).

 

[Romali_rotti]

This is an exaggeration. Sachin was great against great bowlers in difficult conditions - in tests. Not in ODIs. In ODIs, Sachin was more or less an SC bully during the 90s. In fact Sachin did not get a single ODI hundred against a top eight team outside Asia throughout the 90s (which supposedly includes his peak).

Desert storm Sachin vs Aus ? ALso the 100 against World 11 at lords vs Mcgrath & Donald chasing 270 odd..

 

[Slog]

Desert storm Sachin vs Aus ? ALso the 100 against World 11 at lords vs Mcgrath & Donald chasing 270 odd..

Desert storm was in Asia

 

[as-95]

Very difficult. He'll have to bat out of his skin for the next 50 odd tests to surpass SRT.

After 100 tests SRT was considered second to only Bradman and was averaging almost 60 in 2002, which was 13 years into his career after having been the numero uno batsman in one of the toughest decades for batsman.

Even though ABDV had a slow start to his test career, i have always felt that ABDV was the third best test batsman in his team after Kallis/Amla over the last few years. Maybe because they played higher up the order..or maybe because ADBV hardly has any hundreds where he's the sole centurion of the SA innings...i dunno. I never felt like he was the best test batsman in the world.

Another fair piece of analysis Scrolln. Despite being superior in ODI's, he would definitely need to bat out of his skin to overtake Sachin in Tests aswell. He has indeed had a slower start to his Test career, but he has still put in some superb performances. Kallis was arguably the better test plAyer compared to AB, but couldn't you also say the same about Dravid being superior to Sachin in Tests?

I have always seen Dravid as the All Time best INDIAN Test batsman after Sunil despite being inferior to Sachin in ODI's.

Regardless, AB has some work to do in Tests to overtake Sachin like he has in ODI's. Good luck to him.

 

[as-95]

AB is so much better. I don't say this because he has superior stats to Sachin but because of his finding runs off every ball. He plays lesser number of dot balls. You can play 5 dot balls and hit a six and maintaing a healthy SR but AB finds a run every ball.

That's not the basis of my personal opinion but it is indeed a fair point. The fact that he scores off almost every ball is literally shown by his strike rate of 99. He is indeed a brilliant player and a unique player. Hope he can overtake Sachin in Tests like he has done in ODI's too.

 

[as-95]

AB won't catch Sachin in ODIs. Maybe Joe Root will.

)sorry to give you the memo late, but AB already HAS overtaken Sachin in ODI's. Root has potential to be an English Great, but I feel (similarly to Sachin), he lacks that X-Factor which AB clearly has to take him to the next level. If AB continues like this, he will end up with the likes of Viv,Sobers,Bradman. One level above the likes of Sachin and Lara.

 

[ExplicitAI]

He doesn't have to beat SRT's run tally in ODIs to be better than him in ODIs.

As long as his sample is solid with 12-14K ODI runs, its more than enough if he plays like superman.

Agree with you on this, but I was just merely talking about the chances of AB surpassing Sachin as the leading run scorer in both formats. He's got a slight chance in Tests but there's no way he can score 10,000 more runs. I personally believe Kohli has the best chance here.

 

[as-95]

Dont know whether to laugh or cry at the sheer stupidity and ignorance of this comment. If anything, ABD wishes he could dominate great bowling attacks at their peaks like Tendulkar did day in day out while he ruled the roster. None of the experts rate ABD anywhere near Tendulkar for the most obvious reasons. Tendulkar is the greatest cricketer since Bradman and few bitter haters making ridiculous posts here and there don't quite change that fact.

I think your blind love for Sachin is clouding your judgement here pal. No doubt Sachin was a brilliant player in his prime. He was a good ODI player and excellent in Tests. However, AB is a far bigger match winner than Sachin ever was in ODI's. South Africa is at the top of the pack and AB has masterminded that. Had Sachin been able to dominate games for India like AB does for South Africa, they would have been a far more formidable force. Instead, Sachin played for his average and accumulated runs whilst India suffered. Time will tell whether or not AB will overtake him in Tests too, but the superior ODI player is clear for all to see.

 

[Anik Sharma]

ABD > Sachin.

Case Closed.

 

[Sachin136]

I think your blind love for Sachin is clouding your judgement here pal. No doubt Sachin was a brilliant player in his prime. He was a good ODI player and excellent in Tests. However, AB is a far bigger match winner than Sachin ever was in ODI's. South Africa is at the top of the pack and AB has masterminded that. Had Sachin been able to dominate games for India like AB does for South Africa, they would have been a far more formidable force. Instead, Sachin played for his average and accumulated runs whilst India suffered. Time will tell whether or not AB will overtake him in Tests too, but the superior ODI player is clear for all to see.

Again I do not understand what you are talking about because India achieved a lot more than South Africa in ODIs.

 

[sivaji]

For the last 5 years there hasn't been that many good ODI batsman. How many good ODI batsman does de Villiers have for competition?

Being ahead of your peers is important, but why should de Villiers get more credit just because in his era there is little competition? Sachin had to compete with batsman like Ponting while the competition for de Villiers has been less.

Sachin is not far ahead of the competition. There's nothing that separate Ponting and Sachin.

 

[UpInTheAir]

Flat track bully vs ATG.

 

[Stallion__]

The Big Five – Who had More Impact? -- http://www.cricketweb.net/the-big-five-who-had-more-impact/

Its an interesting read.

Kallis as a player (batsman + bowler + fielder), had an immense utility for SA, and that add to his impact value and rightly so. He is under-rated a lot because of lack of flair, but as a player, he can match the best of batsmen.

 

[Sachin136]

Sachin is not far ahead of the competition. There's nothing that separate Ponting and Sachin.

I am not saying that Sachin was ahead of his competition by a large margin. I was just responding to the person who said de Villiers is so far ahead of his peers and Sachin wasn't.

 

[Buffet]

Its an interesting read.

Kallis as a player (batsman + bowler + fielder), had an immense utility for SA, and that add to his impact value and rightly so. He is under-rated a lot because of lack of flair, but as a player, he can match the best of batsmen.

He hardly gets credit in PP and I have seen so many posters saying that he didn't have impact.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Time to dig up and see more about Kallis.

Maybe I have been under rating him (not as a AR but as a batsman).

 

[sivaji]

Time to dig up and see more about Kallis.

Maybe I have been under rating him (not as a AR but as a batsman).

I think, you should start with watching his 3 tons against the Ashes conquering England team of 2004.
While you are at it, check out his 3 tons and a fifty in four innings in Pakistan to lead SA to a historic win in Pakistan. People don't remember all that. Check his all round performance against the WI in 1999, the same year WI defeated Australia. IIRC, Kallis was the MOS. Can't remember but he was brilliant in that series.
Check those 2 tons he got against England in 2010 when SA were in trouble. He was brilliant.

 

[Bhaijaan]

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Fact is, his tons don't stand out because they are not sexy.= like Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting's. Extra class. Also Kallis wasnt anything special against Auistralia when they were awesome.

 

[CricketTragic]

De Villiers is the Tendulkar of this era.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

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Fact is, his tons don't stand out because they are not sexy.= like Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting's. Extra class. Also Kallis wasnt anything special against Auistralia when they were awesome.

Yes plain batsmen don't stand out.

But when we talk about effectiveness, that shouldn't matter.

There is a difference between stat boosting knocks & plain but effective knocks.

McGrath is considered a supreme Test bowler for his effectiveness...not for the aesthetics.

If Kallis has great knocks, then that should be analyzed properly.

He was the one who denied us the series victory in 2010. It may be plain but it worked.

 

[Indiafan]

I still have this question. For such an over-rated guy, why is every comparison on this site and elsewhere done with Sachin on one side? The guy is long retired. Why is he still the benchmark for comparison when people here constantly say there are others ahead of him. Very, very rarely have I seen people compare with Lara, Richards, Ponting, Kallis, Sanga. But Sachin is there always.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Yes plain batsmen don't stand out.

But when we talk about effectiveness, that shouldn't matter.

There is a difference between stat boosting knocks & plain but effective knocks.

McGrath is considered a supreme Test bowler for his effectiveness...not for the aesthetics.

If Kallis has great knocks, then that should be analyzed properly.

He was the one who denied us the series victory in 2010. It may be plain but it worked.

Kallis is no McGrath. McGrath was a bully and a match winner. Kumble could be called a Kallis though but then again, at least in India Kumble was a great match winner. Kallis wasn't one, anywhere.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Kallis is no McGrath. McGrath was a bully and a match winner. Kumble could be called a Kallis though but then again, at least in India Kumble was a great match winner. Kallis wasn't one, anywhere.

McGrath was an example reg plainless. Not comparison.

Take a look at this article. While I don't believe in giving points to grade batsmen or bowlers but seems like Kallis has been quite effective.

http://www.cricketweb.net/the-big-five-who-had-more-impact/

I need to dig deep and check.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Eyes are the best analysts.


You rely on stats for players you haven't seen. Kallis lived in the Trio's shadows for a reason and it had nothing to do with him being Protea or bald. Simple didnt take on the great bowling l;ine-ups in a manner that could be remembered for ages. The trinity is known not for numbers but for desert storms, world cup final hundreds, taking on Warne, Akhtar etc.

 

[siddharth]

I still have this question. For such an over-rated guy, why is every comparison on this site and elsewhere done with Sachin on one side? The guy is long retired. Why is he still the benchmark for comparison when people here constantly say there are others ahead of him. Very, very rarely have I seen people compare with Lara, Richards, Ponting, Kallis, Sanga. But Sachin is there always.

Because the intention is to put sachin down rather big ABD up.if other comparisons occur,how can they put down viv,kallis,lara etc..come on,those are such darlings..

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Tendulkar edged Lara & Ponting(imo) but not by much. AB is well ahead of any other batsman in his era when you take into account all 3 formats.

 

[soso_killer]

AB is in danger if turning into another Tendulkar. Great player, great talent, great technique (maybe a bit unorthodox in AB's case), great stats etc but so what?
That's what it boils down to for me. Dravid, Laxman have played more ballsy innings than Sachin. Smith, Amla & Kallis have played iconic knocks, scoring tough runs & winning hard away from home.
I am looking for an AB de Villiers series. And I'm not talking stats, averaging 60+ blah blah blah. I'm talking cut throat runs.
Unfortunately both players lack that X factor of winning matches alone, carrying your team to improbable series wins. AB can still make amends in the next few years (highly doubt it though).
As such both players would never make my test team (unless I squeeze AB as a wicketkeeper to strengthen the batting)

 

[IndianWillow]

I still have this question. For such an over-rated guy, why is every comparison on this site and elsewhere done with Sachin on one side? The guy is long retired. Why is he still the benchmark for comparison when people here constantly say there are others ahead of him. Very, very rarely have I seen people compare with Lara, Richards, Ponting, Kallis, Sanga. But Sachin is there always.

Other fans would probably not go to great lengths defending their heroes. So all comparisons are made with Sachin. For example Richards vs AB won't go down as a twenty page thread (after a few early arguments this thread would fold up at one or two pages), but Sachin vs "insert an iconic player" is likely to do so.

 

[Chrish]

Kallis was phenomenal in what was supposed to be the twilight of his career. Never impressed me earlier but did turn it around by leaps and bound in the end

 

[sivaji]

AB is in danger if turning into another Tendulkar. Great player, great talent, great technique (maybe a bit unorthodox in AB's case), great stats etc but so what?
That's what it boils down to for me. Dravid, Laxman have played more ballsy innings than Sachin. Smith, Amla & Kallis have played iconic knocks, scoring tough runs & winning hard away from home.
I am looking for an AB de Villiers series. And I'm not talking stats, averaging 60+ blah blah blah. I'm talking cut throat runs.
Unfortunately both players lack that X factor of winning matches alone, carrying your team to improbable series wins. AB can still make amends in the next few years (highly doubt it though).
As such both players would never make my test team (unless I squeeze AB as a wicketkeeper to strengthen the batting)

you were probably sleeping when AB was batting against the Aussies. Remember the 2008/09 season. He was probably the best batsman in the home and away series. He won a test chasing and made a hundred when no one else contributed anything when Mitchel Johnson was bowling thunderbolts. He was also brilliant in the last Aus vs SA series in SA. AB doesn't have a massive series like some batsmen have but he also doesn't have terrible series like many batsmen do. He is a consistent player

 

[sivaji]

Kallis is no McGrath. McGrath was a bully and a match winner. Kumble could be called a Kallis though but then again, at least in India Kumble was a great match winner. Kallis wasn't one, anywhere.

what a load of rubbish. Kumble was a great match winner but Kallis wasn't? Kallis was a better match winner than Sachin was. You don't win most number of man of the matches without being a match winner. Or you are the type of fan who thinks scoring a hundred in a session is the only thing that can lead a side to victory.

 

[sivaji]

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Fact is, his tons don't stand out because they are not sexy.= like Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting's. Extra class. Also Kallis wasnt anything special against Auistralia when they were awesome.

that's not a fact. That's one of your random opinion. Sachin's hundreds weren't as sexy as Lara's either. Fact is Sachin benefitted a lot by playing on the roads of India against the Aussie side while Kallis had to bat on the SA pitches that assist good bowling. But in Australia, Kallis did as well as Sachin did against McGrath and co. Yes Sachin overall has a better average in Australia now that is due to him piling on the runs after McGrath retired.

 

[sivaji]

Eyes are the best analysts.


You rely on stats for players you haven't seen. Kallis lived in the Trio's shadows for a reason and it had nothing to do with him being Protea or bald. Simple didnt take on the great bowling l;ine-ups in a manner that could be remembered for ages. The trinity is known not for numbers but for desert storms, world cup final hundreds, taking on Warne, Akhtar etc.

he would have been bigged up if he was an Indian, or Australian or English player because they are the big 3 and with fanfare.

 

[Scrolln]

you were probably sleeping when AB was batting against the Aussies. Remember the 2008/09 season. He was probably the best batsman in the home and away series. He won a test chasing and made a hundred when no one else contributed anything when Mitchel Johnson was bowling thunderbolts. He was also brilliant in the last Aus vs SA series in SA. AB doesn't have a massive series like some batsmen have but he also doesn't have terrible series like many batsmen do. He is a consistent player

I think you were the one who was sleeping.

That was a very good knock but three other batsmen scored fifties in that innings. Apart from that Graeme Smith scored a brilliant hundred at an SR of 70+ to set up the victory. Thats 4 healthy contributions.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ausvrsa2008_09/engine/match/351681.html

In fact i have rarely seen ABDV score sole hundreds when no one else in the team has contributed. Maybe a couple of occassions i remember, not more than that.

 

[sivaji]

I think you were the one who was sleeping.

That was a very good knock but three other batsmen scored fifties in that innings. Apart from that Graeme Smith scored a brilliant hundred at an SR of 70+ to set up the victory. Thats 4 healthy contributions.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ausvrsa2008_09/engine/match/351681.html

In fact i have rarely seen ABDV score sole hundreds when no one else in the team has contributed. Maybe a couple of occassions i remember, not more than that.

I said he made a ton chasing and made a hundred when no one else contributed anything. Maybe you need to wake up and read the sentence.


Also Smith made hundred earlier but SA could have lost if not for AB. Chasing is hard. Chasing against Australia and fighting the odds is harder and he took SA home that day. Credit goes to him.

If you can't remember him making solo hundreds, it's your fault.

 

[as-95]

So since AB has overtaken Sachin in ODI's, how long till he does so in Tests? Is it possible? Sachin was a brilliant test player but so is AB(albeit superior in ODI's). How long until Sachin is overtaken? Time will tell...

 

[Snow]

I am a big fan of AB, but it is hard to compare him to previous cricketers. Game has changed a lot recently and bowlers and rules are just made for batters.

I would say Tendulkar in his Peak (Late 90s) > AB in His Peak (Current)

Overall, it will be interesting to see how AB does when he gets bit older and has to face better bowlers like Amir/StrAc

 

[Hitman]

So since AB has overtaken Sachin in ODI's, how long till he does so in Tests? Is it possible? Sachin was a brilliant test player but so is AB(albeit superior in ODI's). How long until Sachin is overtaken? Time will tell...

Based on his average? Never mind that ABDV belongs to an era where quite a few players average close to or more than 50, while in Sachin's time an average of 35 was considered good.

What's hilarious is when one mentions bowlers playing in the same era as Akram having better bowling averages, you seem to find dozens of excuses from Pak fielders in Akram's time being poor, him having to deal with so many injuries and diseases, having to bowl in the sub continent more than those other bowlers, having to deal with a board like PCB ...... the list never ends.

 

[Mamoon]

de Villiers has a long way to go before he can match Tendulkar in Tests.

 

[as-95]

Based on his average? Never mind that ABDV belongs to an era where quite a few players average close to or more than 50, while in Sachin's time an average of 35 was considered good.

What's hilarious is when one mentions bowlers playing in the same era as Akram having better bowling averages, you seem to find dozens of excuses from Pak fielders in Akram's time being poor, him having to deal with so many injuries and diseases, having to bowl in the sub continent more than those other bowlers, having to deal with a board like PCB ...... the list never ends.

)The fact that you think an average of 35 was considered good in Sachins time shows how delusional you are. As per usual, you are typically insecure since you have to bring Pakistani players into the discussion to deflect discussion away from Tendulkar. There is no shame about the fact that Tendulkar is an inferior ODI player to De Villers. How long do you think it will take AB to overtake Sachin in ODI's too?

 

[as-95]

de Villiers has a long way to go before he can match Tendulkar in Tests.

How long

 

[Mamoon]

How long

Maybe 3-4 more years.

 

[aslaisnomasla]

SACHIN it is. /

 

[Hitman]

)The fact that you think an average of 35 was considered good in Sachins time shows how delusional you are. As per usual, you are typically insecure since you have to bring Pakistani players into the discussion to deflect discussion away from Tendulkar. There is no shame about the fact that Tendulkar is an inferior ODI player to De Villers. How long do you think it will take AB to overtake Sachin in ODI's too?

I'm speaking of ODI cricket.

 

[Sachin136]

)The fact that you think an average of 35 was considered good in Sachins time shows how delusional you are. As per usual, you are typically insecure since you have to bring Pakistani players into the discussion to deflect discussion away from Tendulkar. There is no shame about the fact that Tendulkar is an inferior ODI player to De Villers. How long do you think it will take AB to overtake Sachin in ODI's too?

There is no shame in accepting that de Villiers is better than Sachin in ODIs. If you ask me I believe that if de Villiers continues this form in ODIs for just a bit longer he will surpass Sachin. However if you are basing that off averages then you are wrong.

An average of 35 was considered good in ODIs back then.

 

[as-95]

There is no shame in accepting that de Villiers is better than Sachin in ODIs. If you ask me I believe that if de Villiers continues this form in ODIs for just a bit longer he will surpass Sachin. However if you are basing that off averages then you are wrong.

An average of 35 was considered good in ODIs back then.

Sure, I understand your opinion. Whilst you believe that Sachin needs to continue this form for a bit longer in ODIs to surpass Sachin, I believe he doesn't as he has already surpassed him. We can agree to disagree.'AB is the superior ODI player iMO.

Tests is a different ball game and AB is still catching Sachin but could surpass him in Tests in the future. Only time will tell.

 

[as-95]

119 off 62 for AB against the mighty Indians today). Sachin can only dream of an innings like this. AB is the superior ODI batsman and will overtake Sachin in tests too. No comparison in ODI's.

 

[saadsahabjee]

AB is the BAAP of all Odi cricketers . Play him anywhere in the world and he will still make centuries unlike some HTBs and FTBs.

 

[Acricketfan]

119 off 62 for AB against the mighty Indians today). Sachin can only dream of an innings like this. AB is the superior ODI batsman and will overtake Sachin in tests too. No comparison in ODI's.

Lol . Both are approximately 100 times better than any Pakistani who has ever held a bat . So stop being so bitter.

 

[IndianWillow]

119 off 62 for AB against the mighty Indians today). Sachin can only dream of an innings like this. AB is the superior ODI batsman and will overtake Sachin in tests too. No comparison in ODI's.

We are unfortunate that Sachin played for India. Ever imagined what Sachin would have done to these Indian bowlers at the peak of his game on phattas like these?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We are unfortunate that Sachin played for India. Ever imagined what Sachin would have done to these Indian bowlers at the peak of his game on phattas like these?

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AS-95 is more obsessed about Sachin than anyone else.

 

[sivaji]

Sachin has played SL, NZ Kenya Zimbabwe and a lot of other teams

 

[as-95]

Sachin has played SL, NZ Kenya Zimbabwe and a lot of other teams

Exactly. Sachin had the opportunity to feast on plenty of weak bowling sides like Zim,Bangla SL etc. the INDIAN bowling attacknright now isn't that bad compared to the above but Sachin never played a knock like AB's today. AB has done this many many times and it contributes to why he is the superior ODI bat.

 

[as-95]

We are unfortunate that Sachin played for India. Ever imagined what Sachin would have done to these Indian bowlers at the peak of his game on phattas like these?

See above posts. You are underrating the Indin bowling iMO. Sachin has played far weaker bowling sides than the INDIAN one right now and has never managed innings like AB's today. They are both ATG ODI bats, but AB is the superior one iMO.

 

[as-95]

Lol . Both are approximately 100 times better than any Pakistani who has ever held a bat . So stop being so bitter.

I'm not being bitter. This is a comparison thread that was created by an Indian poster. I am simply stating further evidence to back up my opinion on this comparison. That is the point of having a forum.

It seems you are the bitter one, considering the fact that you had to bring 'Pakistan' into this discussion in order to hide your insecurities regarding Sachin.

 

[IndianWillow]

See above posts. You are underrating the Indin bowling iMO. Sachin has played far weaker bowling sides than the INDIAN one right now and has never managed innings like AB's today. They are both ATG ODI bats, but AB is the superior one iMO.

Did you see Sachin at his peak? How he used to demolish teams like Australia on these type of surfaces? Indian bowlers would have been cannon fodder to Sachin at his peak. Sachin was an opener and obviously an opener cannot play a AB like knock coming into bat with scorecard reading 200/2 off 25.

 

[Ab Fan]

See above posts. You are underrating the Indin bowling iMO. Sachin has played far weaker bowling sides than the INDIAN one right now and has never managed innings like AB's today. They are both ATG ODI bats, but AB is the superior one iMO.

Wrong...Sachin scored 82 of 49 balls as an opener in 90s against a better bowling attack of NZ..But yes , what makes AB even better is that he plays such knocks every now and then and along with consistency, he is the most destructive batsmen of his era which Sachin wasn't..!!!

 

[Tusker]

I'm not being bitter. This is a comparison thread that was created by an Indian poster. I am simply stating further evidence to back up my opinion on this comparison. That is the point of having a forum.

It seems you are the bitter one, considering the fact that you had to bring 'Pakistan' into this discussion in order to hide your insecurities regarding Sachin.

I rate the 98 by Tendulkar at Centurion a faar better knock than this one by ABD.

 

[Mobashir]

I rate the 98 by Tendulkar at Centurion a faar better knock than this one by ABD.

And?
Tendulkar 98 was a brilliant knock and maybe better than de Villiers innings yesterday.

That doesn't change the fact that ABDV is consistantly doing things that have never been done in cricket before.

 

[Scrolln]

No point comparing an opener to a middle order batsman.

SRT remains quite comfortably ahead of any ODI opener of any era.

 

[Tusker]

And?
Tendulkar 98 was a brilliant knock and maybe better than de Villiers innings yesterday.

That doesn't change the fact that ABDV is consistently doing things that have never been done in cricket before.

For a long-long time Afridi's 37 ball hundred was mind blowingly out of the world ... But there was never any doubt that Afridi was a nobody compared to SRT as a batsman. Not saying AB is a NOBODY but Cricket ratings work quite differently.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

For a long-long time Afridi's 37 ball hundred was mind blowingly out of the world ... But there was never any doubt that Afridi was a nobody compared to SRT as a batsman. Not saying AB is a NOBODY but Cricket ratings work quite differently.

How would you rate the 4 ODI batsmen: Viv, SRT, Ponting and ABD?

Interested to know.

 

[ChachaCricket]

For a long-long time Afridi's 37 ball hundred was mind blowingly out of the world ... But there was never any doubt that Afridi was a nobody compared to SRT as a batsman. Not saying AB is a NOBODY but Cricket ratings work quite differently.

Afridi wasn't scoring 37 ball hundreds every second game.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Did you see Sachin at his peak? How he used to demolish teams like Australia on these type of surfaces? Indian bowlers would have been cannon fodder to Sachin at his peak. Sachin was an opener and obviously an opener cannot play a AB like knock coming into bat with scorecard reading 200/2 off 25.

I don't care who's better but Sachin never had the game to explode like AB does so regularly.

 

[Bhaijaan]

ABD is great, Tendulkar is GREATER.

/thread.

 

[IndianWillow]

I don't care who's better but Sachin never had the game to explode like AB does so regularly.

This exploding phenomenon is somewhat unique to the T20 era of cricket, where more and more batsmen are having S/R in the range 90-100 due to the influence of T20 and highly batsmen friendly rules.

Sachin was having a S/R of 91+ as an opener in the 90s when the average S/R for openers of that era was 70 odd. Check out this table of leading openers of the 90s. This S/R of 91 in the 90s is worth much more in 2015 - at least 110 or something like that. Sachin had a very explosive game for the standards of the 90s (though somewhat inferior to Viv's explosive games of the previous decade), and if you haven't seen him bat in the 90s, you can't appreciate that.

 

[ChachaCricket]

This exploding phenomenon is somewhat unique to the T20 era of cricket, where more and more batsmen are having S/R in the range 90-100 due to the influence of T20 and highly batsmen friendly rules.

Sachin was having a S/R of 91+ as an opener in the 90s when the average S/R for openers of that era was 70 odd. Check out this table of leading openers of the 90s. This S/R of 91 in the 90s is worth much more in 2015 - at least 110 or something like that. Sachin had a very explosive game for the standards of the 90s (though somewhat inferior to Viv's explosive games of the previous decade), and if you haven't seen him bat in the 90s, you can't appreciate that.

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I've seen Sachin bat in his prime and I still stand by my statement. Having a strike rate in 90s does not equate to scoring 100s in 50 balls. Only Viv would've been able to replicate the current AB.

Sachin was a strokeplayer without a power game. His options became limited when the field spread after the initial powerplay.

 

[IndianWillow]

I've seen Sachin bat in his prime and I still stand by my statement. Having a strike rate in 90s does not equate to scoring 100s in 50 balls. Only Viv would've been able to replicate the current AB.

Sachin was a strokeplayer without a power game. His options became limited when the field spread after the initial powerplay.

Well you cannot hit 100 off 50 as an opener because openers are expected to put a bigger price on their wickets. Let AB do it by moving up the order. AB will not be able to play this kind of innings batting at #1-3. AB can do this when walking into bat on a solid platform like 2/200, and not as an opener walking in a 0/0. You are basically comparing apples and oranges here. Opener's role in the team and #4,5 roles are different.

 

[Mobashir]

Well you cannot hit 100 off 50 as an opener because openers are expected to put a bigger price on their wickets. Let AB do it by moving up the order. AB will not be able to play this kind of innings batting at #1-3. AB can do this when walking into bat on a solid platform like 2/200, and not as an opener walking in a 0/0. You are basically comparing apples and oranges here. Opener's role in the team and #4,5 roles are different.

Agree but no one else can do it even walking in such a situation.

 

[sivaji]

AB could do what Sachid did but Sachin can't do what AB does.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This exploding phenomenon is somewhat unique to the T20 era of cricket, where more and more batsmen are having S/R in the range 90-100 due to the influence of T20 and highly batsmen friendly rules.

Sachin was having a S/R of 91+ as an opener in the 90s when the average S/R for openers of that era was 70 odd. Check out this table of leading openers of the 90s. This S/R of 91 in the 90s is worth much more in 2015 - at least 110 or something like that. Sachin had a very explosive game for the standards of the 90s (though somewhat inferior to Viv's explosive games of the previous decade), and if you haven't seen him bat in the 90s, you can't appreciate that.

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In your face all he kiddies out there who know nothing about the legends of 90s.

 

[sivaji]

Well AB wasnt the same player back then but he scored pretty quickly as anopener with big hundreds in the WC 2007. He scored 92 off 70 balls against Australian attack too.

 

[sivaji]

This exploding phenomenon is somewhat unique to the T20 era of cricket, where more and more batsmen are having S/R in the range 90-100 due to the influence of T20 and highly batsmen friendly rules.

Sachin was having a S/R of 91+ as an opener in the 90s when the average S/R for openers of that era was 70 odd. Check out this table of leading openers of the 90s. This S/R of 91 in the 90s is worth much more in 2015 - at least 110 or something like that. Sachin had a very explosive game for the standards of the 90s (though somewhat inferior to Viv's explosive games of the previous decade), and if you haven't seen him bat in the 90s, you can't appreciate that.

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Have seen Sachin but AB is better.