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"Sarfaraz Ahmed is not a good wicket-keeper" : Ramiz Raja

good batsman but I didn't think he was this crap of a keeper really really awful.
 
That chance was not so much a question of wicketkeeping but elementary catching. He completely misjudged that one, and failed to position himself under the ball. If his helmet was blocking his view then he ought to have left it to Irfan.

Or wear a cap.
 
Sarfraz drops one again:facepalm:
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Mrsn just woken up by mamoon that sarfraz dropped a catch , go on and start posting everywhere :p lol ! Those people with a certain agenda


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Please spare him for such chances which are not even keeper's specifically.

Helmet also restriction his field of view.
 
If that was a drop by umar akmal it would be like aww the poor guy misjudged it from the helmet ! But if sarfraz's drops it ! Omg what a keeper he is, should be kicked out etc! Hypocrites everywhere


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fahadshah said:
If that was a drop by umar akmal it would be like aww the poor guy misjudged it from the helmet ! But if sarfraz's drops it ! Omg what a keeper he is, should be kicked out etc! Hypocrites everywhere


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Umar Akmal has rarely ever dropped a catch or miss stumping lol. He has a better keeping record than so called genuine wicket keeper.
 
MRSN said:
Umar Akmal has rarely ever dropped a catch or miss stumping lol. He has a better keeping record than so called genuine wicket keeper.
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Amused to hear that umar akmal was considered an alan knott here :akmal if that was the case, Allah he hafiz hai pakistan ka ab


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Adnan and Zulqarnain are best WK in Pakistan, Umar is decent, Kamran and Sarfraz are equally worst, Pakistan will regret playing him as specialist WK in World Cup. He may not click with bat on those pitches, then such drops will hurt bad. Right now he is compensating with runs with bat.
 
He didn't get a hand to it so it doesn't count as a drop.

Or you could simply close your eyes and pretend that his keeping is very good.
 
Surprising thing is Moin Khan is travelling with Pakistan team and he is unable to fix these glitches in Sarfraz's keeping. If Sarfraz cannot learn from one of best in business then it puts question mark of his ability.
 
Join was average himself.

Sarfraz needs to work very hard to improve his keeping. He is going Akmal's route very quick.
 
Meh that was comical :23:

From what I've observed, he seems to be occupied with too many things in the field. Constantly running up to captain or bowler for advises and field placements. He was quick to point out there werent enough men in the circle when he came into bat. He doesnt have that extra focus and concentration on his keeping it seems which is critical. Rahul Dravid once said in his interviews is that best part about concentration is that how you can switch on and off on every ball. That was with regard to batting but that perfectly applies to wicket keeping as well when you have to expect every ball to come your way.

Needs to improve his keeping A LOT. I hope team management addresses this issue instead of ignoring it like they did with Kamran Akmal. Its not much of a technical issue rather lapses of concentration.
 
Awful again, but he is one of the untouchables these days so how dare anyone criticize him.
 
Mamoon said:
Awful again, but he is one of the untouchables these days so how dare anyone criticize him.
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It was expected that you'll bump this thread, but you go into hiding whenever he's doing great.

Has been superb for the last half year. One fumble don't mean anything, everyone does that kind of stuff even more often.

He was relaxed a bit at that time, nothing wrong with his keeping.
 
He is a mediocre keeper, that's a fact.

Hawkeye said:
Missed a catch.

He's not a safe keeper at all.
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Good to see you have changed your tune, but I haven't anything from him yet that suggests that there is 'nothing wrong with his keeping'.

That's a laughable statement.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a mediocre keeper, that's a fact.



Good to see you have changed your tune, but I haven't anything from him yet that suggests that there is 'nothing wrong with his keeping'.

That's a laughable statement.
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I also used to call him a tailender. Worse than a tailender, at batting.

He has completely transformed himself, and I'm flexible enough to change my opinion if a player has made such a transformation.

Doubt if anyone else has been safer than him in the last 6-7 months. Tell me?

Was one of the main factors PAK had that little success in the World Cup, be it with keeping or batting. One fumble in half an year, and you bump a thread.
 
Hawkeye said:
I also used to call him a tailender. Worse than a tailender, at batting.

He has completely transformed himself, and I'm flexible enough to change my opinion if a player has made such a transformation.

Doubt if anyone else has been safer than him in the last 6-7 months. Tell me?

Was one of the main factors PAK had that little success in the World Cup, be it with keeping or batting. One fumble in half an year, and you bump a thread.
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It's interesting that in 6 months, he has gone from 'not a safe keeper at all' to 'there is nothing wrong with his keeping'. Can you be any more extreme? :misbah

His keeping has been mediocre, nothing to do with his batting form. He is far from convincing with the gloves and denying that doesn't help. As far as his batting in Tests is concerned, everyone agrees that his transformation has been amazing, but he remains an average keeper.

What do you mean anyone else has been safer? He was competing with a makeshift keeper in Umar and is barely better than him, while he's inferior to Adnan but a much better batsman.
 
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Mamoon said:
He is ordinary indeed. His batting form shouldn't cover his deficiencies with the gloves.

Now people will hate on Ramiz for stating the obvious.
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But problem Extra Ordinary wicket keeper is very ordinary with the bat. at least Sarfaraz is a good batsman where as Adnan Akmal`s batting is not very good even wicket keepers like Dhoni and Sangaraka misses the stumping chance and drop catches
 
Hummad Ghori said:
But problem Extra Ordinary wicket keeper is very ordinary with the bat. at least Sarfaraz is a good batsman where as Adnan Akmal`s batting is not very good even wicket keepers like Dhoni and Sangaraka misses the stumping chance and drop catches
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That's the disappointment, it's interesting how our better keepers can't bat and the better batsmen can't keep.

No wonder we have never produced a world class wicket-keeper batsman.
 
Mamoon said:
That's the disappointment, it's interesting how our better keepers can't bat and the better batsmen can't keep.

No wonder we have never produced a world class wicket-keeper batsman.
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Drop catch issue is with the whole team at the moment feels like dieting nay hath main chaaid kerdiye :maqsood
 
Has cost us 46 runs, that's massive in a T20. Needs to make up for it with the bat now.
 
Mamoon said:
Awful again, but he is one of the untouchables these days so how dare anyone criticize him.
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Why he is untouchable he is not bigger than Pakistan by any means i am not saying he should be persisted with but problem is who would you trust with these days every team need Wicket-Keeper Batsman not just a wicket keeper :)


Why i say Rameez comments are Harsh because of his Double standard one day he says he is best next day he says he is the worst. Criticism is fine but you wont see it in IPL and if Rameez heart is soo patriotic why he Criticizing in commentary ? why can`t he reach out to him in personal instead of insulting and making his country men laughing material. This is my point
 
Hummad Ghori said:
Why he is untouchable he is not bigger than Pakistan by any means i am not saying he should be persisted with but problem is who would you trust with these days every team need Wicket-Keeper Batsman not just a wicket keeper :)


Why i say Rameez comments are Harsh because of his Double standard one day he says he is best next day he says he is the worst. Criticism is fine but you wont see it in IPL and if Rameez heart is soo patriotic why he Criticizing in commentary ? why can`t he reach out to him in personal instead of insulting and making his country men laughing material. This is my point
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He is untouchable because he's one of the heroes of Pakistan cricket at the moment and is above criticism. I agree he's the best option at the moment, but that doesn't change the fact that his keeping is pretty average and definitely a problem.

I agree with you anyway.
 
Mamoon said:
He is untouchable because he's one of the heroes of Pakistan cricket at the moment and is above criticism. I agree he's the best option at the moment, but that doesn't change the fact that his keeping is pretty average and definitely a problem.

I agree with you anyway.
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Thank you for agreeing with me i feel lucky you agreed with me :misbah any how at least I dont rate him as hero because this is too early, yes he came in the team when our batting was looking hopeless and he lifted the team spirit but still he is not hero yet. Hero is Younis, Misbah, Inzi, Javed Miandad , Imran khan who played for country not with country. Sarfaraz is a good prospect but still need to improve his wicket keeping.
 
Special one with loads of talent! One odd fumble doesn't mean he's bad keeper. Took two brilliant catches and the one which he missed came from inside half of the bat, and that are always difficult to keep !
Nothing to worry about. Let's enjoy the return of international cricket to Pakistan


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He is abit better than kamran akmal in keeping and equal to moin khan.
It was pressure today first game on home, may be that was one reason for those two stumping lapses. Still one was an easy chance should have got that stumping done.
He should lose weight get light on feet and work hard on his keeping skills.
 
Bouncer said:
If his batting keeps him in team then why not rizwan who is much much much better batsman than sarfraz?
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cricfan14 said:
Much much better? No.
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As far as his batting is concerned, he's a bit of a dead weight in Limited Overs. Not cut for the top order and not an effective slogger at the death either because he's really poor against pace.

He's a middle-order batsman who can rotate the strike and score at a brisk rate in the middle-order against spin but those positions are crowded and there's a lot of competition - if we need our keeper to bat in the top order or the lower order, I'd prefer Rizwan because he is a better batsman for those positions.

However, he's even worse with the gloves. That's the major problem.
 
Bouncer said:
If his batting keeps him in team then why not rizwan who is much much much better batsman than sarfraz?
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On what evidence ? Sarfaraz has been brilliant in tests in the SC, whilst his LOI batting has been decent if not unspectacular. Rizwan hasn't done anything of note so you're wrong and before spouting such fabrications, please back them up with stats.
 
Haroon786 said:
On what evidence ? Sarfaraz has been brilliant in tests in the SC, whilst his LOI batting has been decent if not unspectacular. Rizwan hasn't done anything of note so you're wrong and before spouting such fabrications, please back them up with stats.
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Mr. stats man, there is also something called qualitative judgement. Rizwan is a much better all round batsman than sarfu. Yeah he might not be as good against spin as the latter is but as an overall package in LOI, he is a lot better and Time will prove that.
 
Haroon786 said:
On what evidence ? Sarfaraz has been brilliant in tests in the SC, whilst his LOI batting has been decent if not unspectacular. Rizwan hasn't done anything of note so you're wrong and before spouting such fabrications, please back them up with stats.
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Rizwan has not done anything of note??

Do you even know who rizwan is? He has been an excellent in batting for a while now.The ting he lacks is powerful Karachi media personalities and karachi ex cricketer who have pushed for Sarfaraz inclusion since 2007.
 
axl100mph said:
Mr. stats man, there is also something called qualitative judgement. Rizwan is a much better all round batsman than sarfu. Yeah he might not be as good against spin as the latter is but as an overall package in LOI, he is a lot better and Time will prove that.
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The thing rizwan lacks is powerful Karachi media personalities and karachi ex cricketer who have pushed for Sarfaraz inclusion since 2007.
 
Bouncer said:
Rizwan has not done anything of note??

Do you even know who rizwan is? He has been an excellent in batting for a while now.The ting he lacks is powerful Karachi media personalities and karachi ex cricketer who have pushed for Sarfaraz inclusion since 2007.
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karachi mafia uses all its resources to induct player in team. Sarfraz is ordinary at best and he is hyped as some extraordinary player which he is not clearly. Only asad shafiq and younis khan are the one who merits selection in the national team from karachi.

else anwar ali and sami only played coz of afridi otherwise they don't merit a selection even in the squad.
 
sohailmm said:
karachi mafia uses all its resources to induct player in team. Sarfraz is ordinary at best and he is hyped as some extraordinary player which he is not clearly. Only asad shafiq and younis khan are the one who merits selection in the national team from karachi.

else anwar ali and sami only played coz of afridi otherwise they don't merit a selection even in the squad.
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How many times have you been called a Lahore fan when you point out the above obvious crap that has been going on for a long time?
 
Bouncer said:
Rizwan has not done anything of note??

Do you even know who rizwan is? He has been an excellent in batting for a while now.The ting he lacks is powerful Karachi media personalities and karachi ex cricketer who have pushed for Sarfaraz inclusion since 2007.
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You know what if his WK and batting isn't keeping him in the side, then what you seriously think he's a Pa**** selection ?
 
He seems to be carrying a few extra kilos at the moment.
 
Giving Sarfraz vice-captaincy was a premature, knee-jerk reaction because he is far from settled in Limited Overs at the moment, but then again, there aren't many alternatives either.

The likes of Umar, Shehzad, Maqsood etc. who have been given ample opportunities in Limited Overs cricket should have been ready for the job now, but none of them have shown the maturity and the performance to merit a position of responsibility. Haris Sohail ticks most boxes but it is too early. Shafiq is the most secure and level headed player from the next generation along with Azhar but he has not delivered in ODIs yet but will most likely be the vice-captain when Azhar takes over as Test captain in a year and a half.

Same can be said about Sarfraz though, he has had his plate full way too early in his career. It's been hardly a year since he cemented himself after years of mediocrity and he has been handed over the gloves in all three formats as well as vice-captaincy in two, which is too much responsibility for a player finding his feet at this level.

It can potentially weigh him down and it might have already, because he has been non-existent with the bat since he took the term 'nervous nineties' to a whole new level by crapping his pants for 40 minutes in the 90s v Ireland at the World Cup, and he continues to look shaky with gloves. Now I don't like him, but I definitely have some sympathy for him because he has been asked too much to do too early in his career.

The management needs to find a niche for him in the batting order which he does not have right now, otherwise we would be carrying a wicket-keeper who does not contribute much with the bat and whose keeping is pretty average.

He had a net deficit of 42 in the last game: cost us 46 runs with the gloves (the runs he cost by the two missed stumpings) and batted for 5 deliveries only, scoring 4 runs.

That's not acceptable in any format, let alone T20s.

There is plenty of merit in the argument that he should bat at 4/5 in ODIs, where he can milk spinners around in the middle-overs and that's the only thing he is great at, but those positions are crowded because we have too many players vying for one or two spots.

It is an unfortunate situation but we have to live with it, but I find it absurd that he is celebrated as the second coming of Gilchrist or the new Dhoni, when he is a mediocre package.
 
You guys are trying hard to make it look as "valid criticism".
"Few kilos on"
"batting keeping him in team"
"poor keeping"
"untouchable now"
"karachi mafia" (oh the irony)

Unfortunately its seems more like "thorn stuck in my eye" type of problem

I am sure PCB will in future would surely find a way to get rid of Sarfraz and his new fame. Who knows perhaps Adnan Akmal might make a return based on his "experience" or something.
You guys can do a better job than this.
 
Mamoon said:
I've seen Mark Boucher drop sitters as well, doesn't mean he wasn't an amazing WK.

Adnan is no Boucher or Healy, but he's the best WK in Pakistan and seems a complete natural. The likes of Sarfraz, Kamran, Rizwan etc look like batsmen who took up keeping at a young age to improve their chances for selection while Adnan seems to be born for it. His agility and body frame are perfect for keeping.

Definitely the most natural WK we've produced since Rashid. However his batting is simply not good enough so he's no genuine threat to Sarfraz. Don't make Sarfraz a better keeper than he is because of his amazing batting form.
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being slim doesnt mean that he is born for it.. even after watching those sitters by adnan akmal, u r hell bent on adnan akmal for it.. hope moin, rashid and bari can judge better than you ,, and they all have gone with sarfaraz as the best keeper in pakistan.. they could have chosen adnan akmal if he deserves to be..
 
ask_analyse_act said:
being slim doesnt mean that he is born for it.. even after watching those sitters by adnan akmal, u r hell bent on adnan akmal for it.. hope moin, rashid and bari can judge better than you ,, and they all have gone with sarfaraz as the best keeper in pakistan.. they could have chosen adnan akmal if he deserves to be..
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A guy misses one chance of stumping in half an year, and some usual suspects go after him based on their history of not liking that player. Nothing to do with performance here.

These same guys were in hiding when Sarfraz was doing brilliant, since months.

Was one of our best performers at the world cup, both with the gloves and batting.

Do you see these same suspects going after the keepers of other teams, whenever they drop/miss something? Nope.

Sarfraz makes one mistake after about 6-7 months - yeah let's go after him cuz it was all boiling down inside us! :akhtar I think based on this recent record, he has been the best keeper among all the top teams.

Certainly best Wk/Bat from Asia at least.
 
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being slim doesnt mean that he is born for it.. even after watching those sitters by adnan akmal, u r hell bent on adnan akmal for it.. hope moin, rashid and bari can judge better than you ,, and they all have gone with sarfaraz as the best keeper in pakistan.. they could have chosen adnan akmal if he deserves to be..
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Like I said before, any keeper and every keeper drops catches and misses chances. I have followed both Adnan and Sarfraz from day 1 and I can safely conclude that Adnan is definitely the superior wicket-keeper.

As far as the second part of your post is concerned, the only reason Sarfraz is in the team ahead of Adnan is because he is miles better as a batsman and in this era, you cannot do with a keeper who doesn't contribute at all with the bat.

It is an unfortunate situation that the best wicket-keeper in Pakistan is the worst with the bat when you compare him to his peers like Sarfraz and Rizwan.


Adnan is far from a world class keeper, but he is the best pure keeper in Pakistan at the moment, while Rizwan is the worst. Sarfraz is in the middle of the two.
 
Mamoon said:
Like I said before, any keeper and every keeper drops catches and misses chances. I have followed both Adnan and Sarfraz from day 1 and I can safely conclude that Adnan is definitely the superior wicket-keeper.

As far as the second part of your post is concerned, the only reason Sarfraz is in the team ahead of Adnan is because he is miles better as a batsman and in this era, you cannot do with a keeper who doesn't contribute at all with the bat.

It is an unfortunate situation that the best wicket-keeper in Pakistan is the worst with the bat when you compare him to his peers like Sarfraz and Rizwan.


Adnan is far from a world class keeper, but he is the best pure keeper in Pakistan at the moment, while Rizwan is the worst. Sarfraz is in the middle of the two.
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Adnan is worse then wahab with the bat ..
Sarfi is good enough to play for pak in next 10 years with rizwan as back up ...no need of a pure keeper if hr can't bat..
 
Wow, Sarfaraz was faultless during the WC & Bangladesh tour, one bad game & ppl strted bumping this thread.
Every keeper is foulable, lets make a thread for every keeper & bump it whenever he makes an error.

Plus Adnan isn't the best keeper in the country, its M. Salman who is the best pure keeper.
Adnan wasn't amongst the top 3, 4 wkt keeper batsman in the country when he was debuted & him playing 21 test will remain the biggest example of nepotism in Pakistan ckt, now he is 30+ & still enjoying a free ride in A side. How much does he avg in FC? 26 i think. Absolutely pathetic cricketer
 
He's a really poor keeper but the issue is that Rizwan is an even worse keeper.
 
Saj said:
He seems to be carrying a few extra kilos at the moment.
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He seems to be carrying a lot of extra weight and is not very agile at all.

I think after Afridi he is the most blatant liar about his age.

He is NOT 28 he is at the very minimum around 32 years of age.
 
Anchorman said:
He's a really poor keeper but the issue is that Rizwan is an even worse keeper.
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We have seen how bad Sarfraz is behind the stumps after his 10 years of playing competitive cricket. He was captain of U19 in Feb 2006....since 2007 we have told by Karachi media mafia and Ex karachi cricketers that he is the best wicket keeper. Now we have seen he is NOT best wicket keeper after being given chances for almost 10 years at various competitive level. It is about time that we show faith in some other guy like Rizwan and at the very minimum give him 3 back to back series to see how he improves as Sarfraz has not shown any improvements in many years.
 
As an outsider, looking at the post above it seems like most of Pakistan crickets problems are due to this Karachi lobby and Media. Why don't your people speak up against those harmful Karachi lobbies?
 
I won't blame Karachi based media/former players only ... few days back, someone here in PP was trying to convince me why he is the best WK in Asia (that too on technical aspects of a WK). Apart from technique, he is probably 15 KG over-weight - at this rate 'll reach 100 KG shortly (& recently married as well)............

Anyway, Sarfraz isn't a WK & at this rate of decline, by the age of 35 (or by CTC 2017, whichever is earlier :98:) he'll be an absolute disaster - imagine Sarf keeping in Indian dust bowl or in gloomy English day!

I don't think, PAK 'll get any decent WK from his generation. PCB should look for a couple of genuine U19 WC, who are athletic & interested to build the career on Keeping merit (& keep improving batting).
 
MMHS said:
I won't blame Karachi based media/former players only ... few days back, someone here in PP was trying to convince me why he is the best WK in Asia (that too on technical aspects of a WK). Apart from technique, he is probably 15 KG over-weight - at this rate 'll reach 100 KG shortly (& recently married as well)............

Anyway, Sarfraz isn't a WK & at this rate of decline, by the age of 35 (or by CTC 2017, whichever is earlier :98:) he'll be an absolute disaster - imagine Sarf keeping in Indian dust bowl or in gloomy English day!

I don't think, PAK 'll get any decent WK from his generation. PCB should look for a couple of genuine U19 WC, who are athletic & interested to build the career on Keeping merit (& keep improving batting).
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Saifullah Bangash is a good keeper.
 
MMHS said:
I won't blame Karachi based media/former players only ... few days back, someone here in PP was trying to convince me why he is the best WK in Asia (that too on technical aspects of a WK). Apart from technique, he is probably 15 KG over-weight - at this rate 'll reach 100 KG shortly (& recently married as well)............

Anyway, Sarfraz isn't a WK & at this rate of decline, by the age of 35 (or by CTC 2017, whichever is earlier :98:) he'll be an absolute disaster - imagine Sarf keeping in Indian dust bowl or in gloomy English day!

I don't think, PAK 'll get any decent WK from his generation. PCB should look for a couple of genuine U19 WC, who are athletic & interested to build the career on Keeping merit (& keep improving batting).
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Shhhh! Or they'll deport u to karachi
 
Bullet Drive said:
Saifullah Bangash is a good keeper.
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'll wait till I see, but on stats, looks to be a decent one, not only in batting but 34 dismissals in 8 matches keeping half cricket & half hockey in domestic style (& for a Corporate team). However, I don't give much value to PAK domestic stats, though (& he played U19 probably 2 years back, officially........).
 
Although he is not the best of keepers, Ramiz Raja at times comes across a PPer due to a similar wrist slitting proclivity.
 
Bouncer said:
He seems to be carrying a lot of extra weight and is not very agile at all.

I think after Afridi he is the most blatant liar about his age.

He is NOT 28 he is at the very minimum around 32 years of age.
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Haha mate looks like u have been recently paid up for those things you're speaking up


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sarfraz has thrown the match away , it was a regulation stumping and its not the first time
 
b.lesner said:
sarfraz has thrown the match away , it was a regulation stumping and its not the first time
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He took the team out of a strong position and forced them to be in a condition where they can not win due to his careless, selfish batting style.

He never was a good keeper (missed a straight stumping in 4th inning today and cost pak the game) he is in team becaise of his battibg
...but my question is...How many times has he compromised team situation and gave opponent an upper hand due to his terrible judgement and irresponsible shot selection and threw the wicket and advantage away?

Does he need to go back to domestic cricket so that he learns to value his wicket?

I think so.

What do you guys think?
 
b.lesner said:
sarfraz has thrown the match away , it was a regulation stumping and its not the first time
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Lols SL chasing 150 Odd and one missed chance would not matter much in this regard. So you can not blame him for costing us the match.
It was the collapse in first innings and then the mini collapse in our second innings which cost us the match.

People should put aside personal likes/dislikes and give an objective verdict.
 
IAJ said:
Lols SL chasing 150 Odd and one missed chance would not matter much in this regard. So you can not blame him for costing us the match.
It was the collapse in first innings and then the mini collapse in our second innings which cost us the match.

People should put aside personal likes/dislikes and give an objective verdict.
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That missed chance cost us 50 runs. Anyway, he is a poor WK.
 
Bouncer said:
He took the team out of a strong position and forced them to be in a condition where they can not win due to his careless, selfish batting style.

He never was a good keeper (missed a straight stumping in 4th inning today and cost pak the game) he is in team becaise of his battibg
...but my question is...How many times has he compromised team situation and gave opponent an upper hand due to his terrible judgement and irresponsible shot selection and threw the wicket and advantage away?

Does he need to go back to domestic cricket so that he learns to value his wicket?

I think so.

What do you guys think?
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Yes definitely. Replace him with one of the Akmals :uakmal :kakmal :aakmal
 
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