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"Sarfaraz Ahmed is not a good wicket-keeper" : Ramiz Raja

waleed88 said:
Most people can hardly argue that Malik is a consistent player.

He has gone many identities throughout his international career without knowing his true characteristics as a player.

Many time he has been a jack of all trades and a master of none.

NFP refers to that and talks about Malik need to being more consistent with his performances. Taking a leaf from Misbah's book.

I don't see anything wrong with that assessment whatever people might say about his past knowledge.

Its pretty obvious 'one inning wonder' has a long way to go to establish himself as big a player as Misbah. But he's made a decent start.

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why don't you care about his past knowledge?shouldn't it be base for his credibility to be taken seriously? If he has factually incorrect and biased articles written about past cricketers ,what makes you think he will not do the same for the current players?
 
Sarfaraz needs to improve his keeping but MRSN i am pretty even you can't deny that you are biased against anybody who replaces the Akmal brothers. At least be honest and admit it.
 
Sarfraz may have dropped a tough chance, but anyone who supports Akmals return to our side, has no right to point fingers at Sarfraz.

It's either hypocrisy of sickening level or just plain stupidity. I can't make out which.
 
Seems like Sarfraz has put on a bit of weight, which probably doesn't help.
 
MRSN said:
Says the guy who brings Malik in every thread..:))
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You are replying to me on two threads simultaneously.

One is at a Shoaib Malik thread and one on the Sarfaraz thread.

I cannot keep up with your reply on threads hence I reply what I see. I dont need to bring my agenda in every thread I can. Malik has stats any poster will like to bash him on.

A highly mediocre player.
Unlike Sarfaraz ofcourse.

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waleed88 said:
You are replying to me on two threads simultaneously.

One is at a Shoaib Malik thread and one on the Sarfaraz thread.

I cannot keep up with your reply on threads hence I reply what I see. I dont need to bring my agenda in every thread I can. Malik has stats any poster will like to bash him on.

A highly mediocre player.
Unlike Sarfaraz ofcourse.

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Sarfraz just like Misbah is another good ftb. I know how badly his batting was exposed on the tours of SA and Aus. Didn't look more than a tailender. He should thank God he is playing more and more on flat roads like this.

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MRSN said:
Sarfraz just like Misbah is another good ftb. I know how badly his batting was exposed on the tours of SA and Aus. Didn't look more than a tailender. He should thank God he is playing more and more on flat roads like this.

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Yea Sarfaraz should start complaining to the administration that he is being played as a no.7 batsman in test matches when he is a middle order batsman, and complain about his workload affecting his batting - like a certain akmal I know.

Akmal cannot bat like this if caught behind and lbw were taken out of the picture. He would still manage to hoick to the long off fielder knowing a fielder is already there.

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HOW DOES AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL KEEPER DROP THIS?

Answer: The same way he has been dropping them in past.
 
Can someone compile the list of chances he has dropped since January 2013?
 
Bouncer said:
His skills with the gloves are not worth playing him at international level.
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Which other option do we have? I'm all for playing Safaraz as a specialist middle order batsman, but we have no one worthy of replacing him with the gloves.
 
People are saying that Sarfraz's batting keeps him in the team while Mohammad Rizwan has shown this year to have a lot more potential as a batsman than Sarfraz Ahmed.

The only minus point of Rizwan could be his keeping when the spinners are on. Sarfraz is the best option in tests ATM when your main bowlers are spinners e.g. Yasir Shah.

That's the reason Sarfraz stays, but it wouldn't surprise me if they add Rizwan soon as a cover for longer tours. Rizwan is a proper batsman who plays extremely well under pressure.
 
abbhaz65 said:
Drop someone who you have invested five years in, that makes sense.
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The role he has played in the uae, even faisal iqbal could hv.
Its much better to start all over than to keep on with mediocrity

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MRSN said:
Sarfraz just like Misbah is another good ftb. I know how badly his batting was exposed on the tours of SA and Aus. Didn't look more than a tailender. He should thank God he is playing more and more on flat roads like this.

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I like how everyone besides the Akmals are FTBs. :23:
 
axl100mph said:
Sarfaraz n rizwan both should play tests.
Drop shafiq for rizwan
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I really rate Rizwan.

He is an unusual Pakistani batsmen who doesn't succumb under pressure and plays according to the match situation. He's still only 24 but already a mature batsman which shows that he is only going to get better with time.

But there is no reason to drop Shafiq. We'll have to find some other way to include Rizwan in the future (YK/Misbah retirement).
 
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Prince of Pakistan said:
People are saying that Sarfraz's batting keeps him in the team while Mohammad Rizwan has shown this year to have a lot more potential as a batsman than Sarfraz Ahmed.

The only minus point of Rizwan could be his keeping when the spinners are on. Sarfraz is the best option in tests ATM when your main bowlers are spinners e.g. Yasir Shah.

That's the reason Sarfraz stays, but it wouldn't surprise me if they add Rizwan soon as a cover for longer tours. Rizwan is a proper batsman who plays extremely well under pressure.
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Wait...so you think that sarfaraz keeping is acceptable for spinners? I do not think so.
 
axl100mph said:
The role he has played in the uae, even faisal iqbal could hv.
Its much better to start all over than to keep on with mediocrity

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Shafiq is the batsman who has saved Pakistan from collapses many times.

Has a hundred in South Africa. One of the best number six in the history, statistically speaking.
 
Bouncer said:
Wait...so you think that sarfaraz keeping is acceptable for spinners? I do not think so.
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His fitness levels aren't where they have to be, but yes he has a reputation of doing well when the spinners are on. Hailing from Karachi he has kept to a lot of spinners.

I am curious about Rizwan's keeping skills when the spinners are on. Haven't seen much of his keeping. The positive is that I haven't heard of him dropping catches.
 
abbhaz65 said:
Drop someone who you have invested five years in, that makes sense.
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i think you are talking about asad but lets discuss the idea of "investment" that has been done in Sarfraz.

sarfraz started playing competitive cricket in 2004-05 so he was honored to lead U19 in Jan 2006.

Adnan was dropped in early 2013 to make way for Sarfraz as keeper as he had been keeping for 8 years, meaning there was an 8 years of investment in hope that Sarfraz will turn out to be a good keeper. Since then he has shown time and time again that his keeping is NO WAY NEAR as good as Adnan Akmal's was.

So now sarfraz is undroppable because we spend/invested time in him which only shows his terrible keeping skills?
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
His fitness levels aren't where they have to be, but yes he has a reputation of doing well when the spinners are on. Hailing from Karachi he has kept to a lot of spinners.

I am curious about Rizwan's keeping skills when the spinners are on. Haven't seen much of his keeping. The positive is that I haven't heard of him dropping catches.
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you are very wrong. I have and we all have seen enough to know that his keeping on keepers is horrible.
 
abbhaz65 said:
Shafiq is the batsman who has saved Pakistan from collapses many times.

Has a hundred in South Africa. One of the best number six in the history, statistically speaking.
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Lol, here we go again

If any stat makes a batsman like shafiq better than ponting n sobers, surely there is something that isnt right.

Ponting did not play half of his matches on the docile pitch of Abu Dhabi. He played somewhere where the second new ball actually counted.

N please spare me the harping of that port elizabeth century which although being a valuable knock, was made in conjunction with younis' support from the other end, with the latter shifting the momentum in pak's favour by counterattacking against peterson, which papa shafiq fed off from.

Shafiq on his own is a timid, low impact player who can work well if he gets strong support from the other end.

On his own he struggles gathering momentum n invariably loses his wicket in doing so.


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axl100mph said:
Lol, here we go again

If any stat makes a batsman like shafiq better than ponting n sobers, surely there is something that isnt right.

Ponting did not play half of his matches on the docile pitch of Abu Dhabi. He played somewhere where the second new ball actually counted.

N please spare me the harping of that port elizabeth century which although being a valuable knock, was made in conjunction with younis' support from the other end, with the latter shifting the momentum in pak's favour by counterattacking against peterson, which papa shafiq fed off from.

Shafiq on his own is a timid, low impact player who can work well if he gets strong support from the other end.

On his own he struggles gathering momentum n invariably loses his wicket in doing so.


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I never anywhere said that Shafiq is a better batsman than Ricky Ponting or Sobers in general.

Ricky Ponting's career was mostly built around the one down position. Shafiq at six is indeed greater than Ponting.

Most of the people dislike Shafiq because of his performance in the one-days but in Tests he is a absolute class.
 
abbhaz65 said:
I never anywhere said that Shafiq is a better batsman than Ricky Ponting or Sobers in general.

Ricky Ponting's career was mostly built around the one down position. Shafiq at six is indeed greater than Ponting.

Most of the people dislike Shafiq because of his performance in the one-days but in Tests he is a absolute class.
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Well u dont but the stat says that shafiq is better than punter.
U can look at stats without context, but I dont like to do so.
I m more keen on subjective analysis.



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Bouncer said:
i think you are talking about asad but lets discuss the idea of "investment" that has been done in Sarfraz.

sarfraz started playing competitive cricket in 2004-05 so he was honored to lead U19 in Jan 2006.

Adnan was dropped in early 2013 to make way for Sarfraz as keeper as he had been keeping for 8 years, meaning there was an 8 years of investment in hope that Sarfraz will turn out to be a good keeper. Since then he has shown time and time again that his keeping is NO WAY NEAR as good as Adnan Akmal's was.

So now sarfraz is undroppable because we spend/invested time in him which only shows his terrible keeping skills?
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And since how many years Adnan is keeping? 12 years?? Sarfraz was always a good performer hence he was the one invested in. Unlike Adnan Akmal who got a random call for debut as Sarfraz was away with A-team in WI. If he had been in Pakistan, Adnan would have been rotting in domestics only. So Adnan was rightly dropped for the right candidate.

PS: Sarfraz is undroppable now as he's a game changer in test cricket due to his batting. Same can not be said for Adnan.
 
the wicketkeeper

every one knows that sarfraz ks not that good when it comes to diving,catching,etc...Adnan Akmal have the safest hands behind the wicket in Pakistan yet he was notgiven a chance after that injury.why?
 
because adnan makes our tail too long.

Sarfraz has proven he can win macthes with his batting.

Its true that adnan is a better keeper though.
 
sunnykhan said:
And since how many years Adnan is keeping? 12 years?? Sarfraz was always a good performer hence he was the one invested in. Unlike Adnan Akmal who got a random call for debut as Sarfraz was away with A-team in WI. If he had been in Pakistan, Adnan would have been rotting in domestics only. So Adnan was rightly dropped for the right candidate.

PS: Sarfraz is undroppable now as he's a game changer in test cricket due to his batting. Same can not be said for Adnan.
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Am I the only one who does see any mention of Sarfraz's terrible keeping skills in your post which is the topic being discussed?
 
MRSN said:
Sarfraz just like Misbah is another good ftb. I know how badly his batting was exposed on the tours of SA and Aus. Didn't look more than a tailender. He should thank God he is playing more and more on flat roads like this.

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Agree but unfortunately other keepers were not even good on flat tracks
 
Adnan was no good either, he dropped many more catches compared to SArfraz from what i can remember

Sarfraz's keeping though not spectacular but is acceptable most of the times
 
Bouncer said:
Am I the only one who does see any mention of Sarfraz's terrible keeping skills in your post which is the topic being discussed?
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I quoted you to burst the myth of investment in him and why is he undroppable now. If you can relate my post with your's, you'll get to understand it.
 
abbhaz65 said:
I never anywhere said that Shafiq is a better batsman than Ricky Ponting or Sobers in general.

Ricky Ponting's career was mostly built around the one down position. Shafiq at six is indeed greater than Ponting.

Most of the people dislike Shafiq because of his performance in the one-days but in Tests he is a absolute class.
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yeah in tests he ie a flat class. In the leagues of players who can only bat well on the flattest roads of Asia.

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pasha404 said:
Agree but unfortunately other keepers were not even good on flat tracks
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We have Rizwan who is a better test batsman and slightly better keeper as well.

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sunnykhan said:
I quoted you to burst the myth of investment in him and why is he undroppable now. If you can relate my post with your's, you'll get to understand it.
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A decade has been invested in sarfraz YET he is terrible with gloves? What do you have to say to that?
 
MRSN said:
We have Rizwan who is a better test batsman and slightly better keeper as well.

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Rizwan is a better test batsman and to top it off better keeper. LOL.

What cricket do you watch?
 
It's really funny some people claiming Rizwan is a better keeper than Sarfraz. Obviously they haven't seen him keep or have zero knowledge of cricket.
 
His batting form is a concern and is hurting us at the moment, but I think we have unrealistic expectations from him. He is not really a 50 averaging Test batsman and the way he bats, he will give chances to the opposition.

We have been spoiled thanks to his form over the last 15 months where we expect a run-a-ball fifty every time he bats.

The fate of this series will have a lot to do with his batting form, because the impetus he provides down the order has been central to our success in Test cricket in the last 2 years, and without him contributing, we can look one-dimensional because Shafiq isn't good at attacking and our tail is an embarrassment.
 
Mamoon said:
His batting form is a concern and is hurting us at the moment, but I think we have unrealistic expectations from him. He is not really a 50 averaging Test batsman and the way he bats, he will give chances to the opposition.

We have been spoiled thanks to his form over the last 15 months where we expect a run-a-ball fifty every time he bats.

The fate of this series will have a lot to do with his batting form, because the impetus he provides down the order has been central to our success in Test cricket in the last 2 years, and without him contributing, we can look one-dimensional because Shafiq isn't good at attacking and our tail is an embarrassment.
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Exactly.

He's basically not as good as he has for more than a year, but neither does that mean he is as bad as he has been this series. He's somewhere in between. Probably a low 40s batsmen with a good SR which I will take.

Problem is his keeping, but given the awful batting options we have we don't have a replacement (though Rizwan may have something to say about this).
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
Exactly.

He's basically not as good as he has for more than a year, but neither does that mean he is as bad as he has been this series. He's somewhere in between. Probably a low 40s batsmen with a good SR which I will take.

Problem is his keeping, but given the awful batting options we have we don't have a replacement (though Rizwan may have something to say about this).
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In my opinion, his workload needs better management. Playing all three formats is not easy for a wicket-keeper. We might be risking him running into the ground.

Rizwan is raw at the moment in terms of keeping, but the only way he can improve is if he keeps regularly in international cricket. We have been struggling to find one decent WK for years and now we have two, so why not utilize our resources better?

To me it makes perfect sense to drop Sarfraz from T20s and have him focus on Tests and ODIs only, with Rizwan keeping in T20s which will help him keep Sarfraz on his toes as well (we have a long history of players resting on their laurels due to lack of competition).

We don't really need his batting in this format. If Rizwan proves himself as a competent WK and continues to bat well, 2-3 years down the line, we can have a 30-31 year old Sarfraz focus on Tests only which is his speciality, with a 25-26 year old Rizwan taking over as the LOIs specialist, which will be ample groundwork for him to take over from Sarfraz in Tests in 5-6 years.

However for that to happen, we have to ensure that Rizwan's keeping is not underutilized and Sarfraz isn't burned out, which I am not sure is as straightforward as it sounds for our 'think tank'.

As usual, we are putting all our eggs in one basket and when that basket falls, we push the panic button.
 
Sarfaraz as a batsman is one dimensional, he will always play his shots irrespective of the team situation. When it comes off it looks exciting and he has helped the team with his counter attacking methods but then there have been situations especially like today where he threw it away and exposed the tail. Has to find a happy medium.
 
Mamoon said:
His batting form is a concern and is hurting us at the moment, but I think we have unrealistic expectations from him. He is not really a 50 averaging Test batsman and the way he bats, he will give chances to the opposition.

We have been spoiled thanks to his form over the last 15 months where we expect a run-a-ball fifty every time he bats.

The fate of this series will have a lot to do with his batting form, because the impetus he provides down the order has been central to our success in Test cricket in the last 2 years, and without him contributing, we can look one-dimensional because Shafiq isn't good at attacking and our tail is an embarrassment.
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Come on mamoon bhai. It's about k hm log realise karein k he's not gonna score a 50 or 100 every time. Neither the keepers came before Sarfraz has done that. So i think a keeper who can give us starts and he has the ability to snatch the games away from the opposition in no time. I think one good innings probably the next one in this series will give him loads of confidence. He looked good today and played some good shots. But the homework has been done very carefully by english.


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Bouncer said:
A decade has been invested in sarfraz YET he is terrible with gloves? What do you have to say to that?
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I will say Adnan had been keeping even before Sarfraz started his professional cricket but still he's out of the team. What do you make of it?

P.S: Using Adnan as an example because you used him first in your post.
 
Seems like this [MENTION=379]Bouncer[/MENTION] guy comes on PP just to bash Sarfraz; maybe Sarf stole his lunch or something. By no means is Sarfraz terrible.

I think, he's the best keeper going around in the current year. No one else has been safer than him.

Some have biases so keep bumping the thread.
 
Bouncer said:
2 drop catches in one over on a wicket like this. Even domicilers like fahadshah and sunny must be hiding their faces right now
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No wonder you've again turned up, that too with lies? Why so bitter, man? One was a drop, which could've gone either way for any keeper. He then took Root's catch!
 
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Bouncer said:
2 drop catches in one over on a wicket like this. Even domicilers like fahadshah and sunny must be hiding their faces right now
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Where is your bitterness now when even Ramiz is praising him for taking 2 good catches ??

I wonder. How come some people who never post anything, suddenly start bumping threads with bitter posts because they don't like a guy.
 
Has taken a few good catches now but still needs improvements however he isn't nearly as bad as some are trying their best to portray him as.
 
Bouncer said:
2 drop catches in one over on a wicket like this. Even domicilers like fahadshah and sunny must be hiding their faces right now
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I see you see as the biggest cry baby who accuses others but himself is a culprit of that very deed.
 
Does Sarfraz drop many catches? He has held on to four this innings, so he's hardly Kamran Akmal.
 
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That's not a very high standard to be attempting to cross.
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True but what are Pakistan's alternatives? Rizwan, Adnan Akmal? Are they really that much better with the gloves that you can take out a quality number 7 batsman like Sarfraz?
 
Pantani said:
Does Sarfraz drop many catches? He has held on to four this innings, so he's hardly Kamran Akmal.
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Nope. Actually was praised by the commies for taking some good catches today.

What you're seeing here are some posters who have not liked Sarfraz for one reason or another, since a long time. Expect continuous thread bumps by them.
 
sunnykhan said:
I see you see as the biggest cry baby who accuses others but himself is a culprit of that very deed.
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Yup its pretty ironic that [MENTION=379]Bouncer[/MENTION] complains about regional bias than pretty much does the same thing himself. In fact I belive he has cried about pretty much every current Karachi cricketer, even seem to have problem with Shahzaib Ahmed who hasn't even made his debut yet.

Anyways I am not implying that everyone criticizing Sarfaraz is doing so because of bias, some of the criticism is valid but posters like bouncer and MRSN seem to go over the top because of reasons not limited to cricket.
 
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Oh boy the irony of people here. People can understand here that they want to drop Sarfraz for the non cricketing reasons and want adnan back. Took 5 today and he's been the best going around for sometime now. Mamoon and bouncer have bowled themselves out of the question because of the fact they just like adnan akmal and rate him higher than sarfraz. The experts and the people who rate Sarfraz higher than any other keeper atm, people like these will continue to bash him even if he takes 10 catches in an innings. Everybody makes mistakes. It's just not that Sarfraz who makes mistakes it was adnan too who was horrible most of the times with the gloves.


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You guys do realise that keeping is all about not making mistakes isn't it? It doesn't matter if you take 5-6 easy catches to look good in your dismissals count, but one crucial miss can cost the team. Luckily today, his mistakes didn't end up being costly. Imagine if this was a crunch test in SA or Aus, with Pakistan not having too many runs on the board. Those small mistakes become huge obstacles to victory. Goodkeepers make less mistakes, and Sarfraz still makes those errors far too frequently to be considered a very good one.

I'm not saying this to make any changes... Sarfraz is an awesome batsman and since there are no other great keeping alternatives, he's the best choice by far. But simply pointing out that his keeping is sub par is not something which should be ignored or brushed off. I think he's improving on the keeping front... he used to be even sloppier. But he still needs to get better.
 
Dropped one or two today as well and let go one also. That makes 3 opportunities missed by him today. Another terrible day at the office for Safraz in keeping. He is consistently dropping catches every innings now. Mashalla.
 
I am getting a feeling a lot posters are actually represented by none other than Kamran Akmal. He is just posting using different user names
 
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Dropped one or two today as well and let go one also. That makes 3 opportunities missed by him today. Another terrible day at the office for Safraz in keeping. He is consistently dropping catches every innings now. Mashalla.
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Another day of burnol for u Ma Sha Allah.


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People are expecting waaaaay too much from Sarfraz. I understand that in this era WK must be able to bat but tbh all Sarfraz really needs to do is score 50s here and there with the odd 100 and that alone will be more than enough. The fact that he was our best batsman at one point really was the reason why we were so hard to beat. Right since the SL chase he completely changed the way Pakistan batted.

I also don't understand why its a priority for him to score outside of Asia. Considering some of our specialists will not be able to handle that, if he can score some 50s away, it will more than enough. He sadly has set the bar way too high for himself and now if he doesn't manage his quickfire innings, people will be bashing him from all angles...Especially some certain Akmal bumlickers.

His wicketkeeping isn't brilliant but it doesn't outweigh the amount of positives he brings in the team and he should surely be here to stay.
 
Haz95 said:
People are expecting waaaaay too much from Sarfraz. I understand that in this era WK must be able to bat but tbh all Sarfraz really needs to do is score 50s here and there with the odd 100 and that alone will be more than enough. The fact that he was our best batsman at one point really was the reason why we were so hard to beat. Right since the SL chase he completely changed the way Pakistan batted.

I also don't understand why its a priority for him to score outside of Asia. Considering some of our specialists will not be able to handle that, if he can score some 50s away, it will more than enough. He sadly has set the bar way too high for himself and now if he doesn't manage his quickfire innings, people will be bashing him from all angles...Especially some certain Akmal bumlickers.

His wicketkeeping isn't brilliant but it doesn't outweigh the amount of positives he brings in the team and he should surely be here to stay.
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Nailed it! End of thread.
 
Sarfaraz is worrying me big time. His day job is wicket keeping.

A drop is sometimes worth 100s of runs.

Imagine if England were chasing 200 rather than 500 and he had not taken these half chances.

We have lost series in Australia and England with Kami's keeping - no matter what other qualities he brought to the team.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Sarfaraz is worrying me big time. His day job is wicket keeping.

A drop is sometimes worth 100s of runs.

Imagine if England were chasing 200 rather than 500 and he had not taken these half chances.

We have lost series in Australia and England with Kami's keeping - no matter what other qualities he brought to the team.
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He needs to improve his wicket keeping. These lapses are frequent, unacceptable and can cost us a match big time.

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12.3

Shoaib Malik to Roy, no run, well bowled, some spin there for Malik and it takes an inside edge from Roy which Sarfraz can't gather
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another day..another drop by Sarfraz Ahmed. so a normal day for him.

He has had a disaster series with the gloves or bat. This will not leave good impression of him because the moment some quality team he faces he hass shown how mediocre and overrated he is.
 
MRSN said:
another day..another drop by Sarfraz Ahmed. so a normal day for him.

He has had a disaster series with the gloves or bat. This will not leave good impression of him because the moment some quality team he faces he hass shown how mediocre and overrated he is.
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now I can say he is not a good wicket keeper :facepalm: and then his crab dance behind wicket when he appeals
 
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