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"Sarfaraz Ahmed is not a good wicket-keeper" : Ramiz Raja

A better glovesman than Kamran Akmal and Umar Akmal, but even then I rate his keeping 5.5/10. He's shelled quite a few catches and really needs to iron this out.
 
Rubbish wicket-keeper but we don't have better options. He knows that, hence he's taking his position for granted.
 
he was always an average captain. Lol at people calling him best ever from Pakistan.
 
Sarfaraz is really falling from grace since the comments made by Shehryar.. he is Starc's new bunny, and his keeping is getting worse every game.. I think he's relaxed to the fact that he has no competitor besides himself for the spot, and the captaincy talks about him are getting to his head.. he is not captaincy material, he needs to sort himself out first..

Starc's in-dippers have caused him problems and have really exposed his batting style..
 
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Needs to be rested for a game or two to knock some sense back into him !! NO ONE and I mean NO ONE should take their position for granted....

Extremely poor from him and I am rather disappointed in his show this entire series !!
 
Abdul said:
But but but he is our next Test captain.
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To be fair to him, he is tactically the best among the lot at the moment !! He's going through a lean patch at the moment and needs to be rested to clear some perspective for him and to actually get those competitive juices going again since the 'drop' for a game or two will make him realize that he cannot take his place for granted !!
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
To be fair to him, he is tactically the best among the lot at the moment !! He's going through a lean patch at the moment and needs to be rested to clear some perspective for him and to actually get those competitive juices going again since the 'drop' for a game or two will make him realize that he cannot take his place for granted !!
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Rested? He needs to be dropped. Even Adnan Akmal will do a better job with the gloves.
 
Abdul said:
Rested? He needs to be dropped. Even Adnan Akmal will do a better job with the gloves.
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Ok let's take a hypothetical Scenario shall we ?? We drop Sarfarz.....

Replacements

Kami - I won't even argue with you if you want him back :facepalm:

Rizwan - As much I like 'Rizwan the athlete' I have seen a lot of him (In Domestic and International) to come to the conclusion that he's not even 50% capable with the gloves compared to all the keepers in discussion at the moment. Yes he would be a good substitute for Sarfaraz during dip of form like the one he's going through but to say that he's capable of keeping on a regular basis is just setting yourself for massive disappointments

Adnan - The best pair of gloves at the moment, among the four that are being discussed but his batting is taileneder level and would be a proper no 11. in places like Eng, Aus, SA and NZ (places where at least Sarfaraz holds his own when under the pump)


There was one keeper coming through the ranks of a FATA or KPK (I am not too sure) but I've seen [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] saying that the lad's decentish to be given a proper looking into. I am not too sure who he is but TPSK can shed some light on the matter !!
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Ok let's take a hypothetical Scenario shall we ?? We drop Sarfarz.....

Replacements

Kami - I won't even argue with you if you want him back :facepalm:

Rizwan - As much I like 'Rizwan the athlete' I have seen a lot of him (In Domestic and International) to come to the conclusion that he's not even 50% capable with the gloves compared to all the keepers in discussion at the moment. Yes he would be a good substitute for Sarfaraz during dip of form like the one he's going through but to say that he's capable of keeping on a regular basis is just setting yourself for massive disappointments

Adnan - The best pair of gloves at the moment, among the four that are being discussed but his batting is taileneder level and would be a proper no 11. in places like Eng, Aus, SA and NZ (places where at least Sarfaraz holds his own when under the pump)


There was one keeper coming through the ranks of a FATA or KPK (I am not too sure) but I've seen [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] saying that the lad's decentish to be given a proper looking into. I am not too sure who he is but TPSK can shed some light on the matter !!
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I didn't mention Kamran so there's no need for you to facepalm.

It's not like Sarfraz is doing a fantastic job with the bat either, bottles it after scoring flashy thirty runs.
 
waleed88 said:
Sarfaraz is really falling from grace since the comments made by Shehryar.. he is Starc's new bunny, and his keeping is getting worse every game.. I think he's relaxed to the fact that he has no competitor besides himself for the spot, and the captaincy talks about him are getting to his head.. he is not captaincy material, he needs to sort himself out first..

Starc's in-dippers have caused him problems and have really exposed his batting style..
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He struggles when the delivery is pitched up and straight at the stumps.

His low stance disallows him to get in a good position to fend out a yorker or block a full ball.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Ok let's take a hypothetical Scenario shall we ?? We drop Sarfarz.....

Replacements

Kami - I won't even argue with you if you want him back :facepalm:

Rizwan - As much I like 'Rizwan the athlete' I have seen a lot of him (In Domestic and International) to come to the conclusion that he's not even 50% capable with the gloves compared to all the keepers in discussion at the moment. Yes he would be a good substitute for Sarfaraz during dip of form like the one he's going through but to say that he's capable of keeping on a regular basis is just setting yourself for massive disappointments

Adnan - The best pair of gloves at the moment, among the four that are being discussed but his batting is taileneder level and would be a proper no 11. in places like Eng, Aus, SA and NZ (places where at least Sarfaraz holds his own when under the pump)


There was one keeper coming through the ranks of a FATA or KPK (I am not too sure) but I've seen [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] saying that the lad's decentish to be given a proper looking into. I am not too sure who he is but TPSK can shed some light on the matter !!
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First of all I think Sarfraz needs to be persisted with. Should work with Rashid Latif and should improve his batting aswell. It's been ages since he last scored a ton. 2-3 years I guess.


It should be Adnan Akmal. Since getting dropped He has scored 5-7 Fc hundreds at an Average of 45 in last 3 seasons. Remember in his last 6 months of Int Cricket he improved his batting vastly.

The same Adnan who has averaged 45 in last 3 seasons averaged only 22-25 in 40-50 Fc matches before his FC debut.


Kamran is too old as a keeper. Has played 220 odd Fc matches and 300 odd List A matches 95 % as keeper. And he isn't safe enough.


Rizwan is a poor keeper and keeps only partime in domestic now. In last 3 years he has kept in only 30 % domestic matches.

It was Rehan Afridi and I was just pointing out that He needs to be groomed in Pakistan A team while Adnan should play side matches against touring sides. And rehan should be given 50 % of A matches also. While Bismillah, Saifullah, Umair Masood & Waqas do not deserve it more than Rehan atm.
 
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Abdul said:
I didn't mention Kamran so there's no need for you to facepalm.
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I never claimed that you were asking for Kami and for this very reason I stated !!!

if you want him back :facepalm:
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Also....

It's not like Sarfraz is doing a fantastic job with the bat either, bottles it after scoring flashy thirty runs.
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Can you name me 3 names from the current lot of keepers in domestics or from anywhere in Pakistan that would make 30 runs per match in Australia, England, SA or NZ ?? No seriously ! Is there anyone out there ?? Because if there is then I am willing to trade him with Sarfarz in a heartbeat. Granted he's at least 70-80% (in keeping) at the level Sarfaraz is at the moment.

I am not a blind follower brother, if a player is not performing and going through a rut of score I will be the first person to point that out !!
 
If you count out batting , who is best Wicket keeper in Pakistan skill wise ?
 
jeetu said:
Unless Sarfraz improves his keeping , Adnan will come back then.
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Not a chance. Pakistan won't risk having a long tail to compacinate for a good wicket keeper.

You put Adnan in than your tail starts after Asad.
 
Slog said:
While he is technically better and very smooth and agile he also missed many chances
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Slightly lesser than Sarfraz prior to Australia tour and far less than current Sarfraz.

Wasn't as clean as Rashid or Wasim or Yousuf but was better that Kamran, Sarfraz, Rizwan and at par with Moin or slightly better.


Sarfraz needs to be persisted for now.
 
Perhaps he needs to work on his fitness - he doesn't look like the fittest cricketer around. His lack of fitness will cause him to tire quicker and make more mistakes behind the stumps.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brilliant catch by Sarfaraz Ahmed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPAK?src=hash">#WIvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/rEMQ478gTr">pic.twitter.com/rEMQ478gTr</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/859514954751385600">May 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Underrated keeper. Not the best, but certainly a million times better than Kamran and on par with Adnan.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brilliant catch by Sarfaraz Ahmed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPAK?src=hash">#WIvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/rEMQ478gTr">pic.twitter.com/rEMQ478gTr</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/859514954751385600">May 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Square Drive said:
Was looking for this thread. :))

Saifi once again showing haters (and Kami lovers) who's daddy :sarf
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phoenix363 said:
Underrated keeper. Not the best, but certainly a million times better than Kamran and on par with Adnan.
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Arsalan Pro said:
Terrific catch!!!
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But is he Dynamic and Explosive ?? That's the real question guys !! :))
 
I actually had a dream that kamran dropped so many catches and in my dream I was like how long are we gonna have to deal with this bs. :))
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
But is he Dynamic and Explosive ?? That's the real question guys !! :))
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:shezzy
 
Abdullah719 said:
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:shezzy
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In this 2nd test match his batting (dynamic and explosive strike rate) has let down the team when he gifted his wicket to West Indies. He effectively destroyed all the hard work of Azhar and Misbah in 1st inning by not playing sensibly. :facepalm: If Pakistan lose this test then Sarfraz's batting in 1st inning will be the chief culprit.
 
Good with the gloves yesterday, awful so far today.

At times it's like the cricket ball is a hot potato.
 
srh said:
In this 2nd test match his batting (dynamic and explosive strike rate) has let down the team when he gifted his wicket to West Indies. He effectively destroyed all the hard work of Azhar and Misbah in 1st inning by not playing sensibly. :facepalm: If Pakistan lose this test then Sarfraz's batting in 1st inning will be the chief culprit.
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Babar, Younis, and Asad collectively scored 15 runs but you will blame only Sarfraz. OK. :19:
 
Abdullah719 said:
Babar, Younis, and Asad collectively scored 15 runs but you will blame only Sarfraz. OK. :19:
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Read my post again where I mention the hard work of Azhar and Misbah. Babar and YK were out before them. Jeez :facepalm: Asad was unlucky. Its only Sarfraz who gifted his wicket away trying to play aggressive to maintain his good strike rate and not realizing how the pitch is behaving. Basically bat selfishly.
 
srh said:
Read my post again where I mention the hard work of Azhar and Misbah. Babar and YK were out before them. Jeez :facepalm: Asad was unlucky. Its only Sarfraz who gifted his wicket away trying to play aggressive to main his good strike rate and not realizing how the pitch is behaving. Basically bat selfishly.
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Babar and Younis undid the hard work by Azhar and Shehzad.

How is getting out LBW 'unlucky'?

Sarfraz's method of batting works quite often and you're going to crucify him because he got a low score once?

His dismissal wasn't ideal and the timing was particularly bad but you can't blame one person; if we go on to lose from here, our bowling and batting both will have to be pretty bad in the second innings.
 
Sarfraz is a pretty average, or less than average keeper. I've said this for a long time now and his batting has been poor for the last 18 months or so with the odd bright spot.

I have long held the view that when looking for a keeper, first find someone who is solid behind the tsumps, because those catches and stumpings are worth more than a quick 20 or 30. After that, he can concentrate on his batting. Right now, Sarfraz is a bits and pieces batsman who can keep a bit. We need a kepper who can bat a bit.

Is there anyone like that in Pakistan?
 
dildildalwalla said:
Sarfraz is a pretty average, or less than average keeper. I've said this for a long time now and his batting has been poor for the last 18 months or so with the odd bright spot.

I have long held the view that when looking for a keeper, first find someone who is solid behind the tsumps, because those catches and stumpings are worth more than a quick 20 or 30. After that, he can concentrate on his batting. Right now, Sarfraz is a bits and pieces batsman who can keep a bit. We need a kepper who can bat a bit.

Is there anyone like that in Pakistan?
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We can not afford a specialist keeper who is a dud with the bat; in fact, no team has that type of player any more.

I can't think of many wicket-keepers who will be better than Sarfraz, maybe Adnan Akmal and his batting would be a massive downgrade. Not worth it.

Rizwan can be a competitor in future but his batting at the international level has been nothing short of abysmal though he continues to perform in domestic cricket.

Sarfraz's spot is pretty safe for the time being, specially when there's a 99% chance of him being the next Test captain.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Babar and Younis undid the hard work by Azhar and Shehzad.

How is getting out LBW 'unlucky'?

Sarfraz's method of batting works quite often and you're going to crucify him because he got a low score once?

His dismissal wasn't ideal and the timing was particularly bad but you can't blame one person; if we go on to lose from here, our bowling and batting both will have to be pretty bad in the second innings.
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Azhar + Misbah partnership give Pakistan 98 runs. Then Misbah + Asad partnership give Pakistan 57 runs. So with Asad and Sarfraz on the crease Pakistan should have get at least 50 runs partnership. But Sarfraz did not bother reading the pitch and instead tried to play fast and gifted his wicket away :facepalm: Asad + Sarfraz partnership only give Pakistan 9 runs :facepalm: What is the point of trying to score fast when it may cost your team the match?
 
Abdullah719 said:
We can not afford a specialist keeper who is a dud with the bat; in fact, no team has that type of player any more.

I can't think of many wicket-keepers who will be better than Sarfraz, maybe Adnan Akmal and his batting would be a massive downgrade. Not worth it.

Rizwan can be a competitor in future but his batting at the international level has been nothing short of abysmal though he continues to perform in domestic cricket.

Sarfraz's spot is pretty safe for the time being, specially when there's a 99% chance of him being the next Test captain.
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I'm not talking about a dud but there must be more than just 2 or 3 keepers in the entirety of the Pakistan game, especially someoen who can keep better than Sarfraz and still add 20-30 runs in the lower order. Just looking at Sarfrazs last 19 innings since the end of the England series, he has 8 scores of less than 30.

out of the 19 innings, he didn't even bat in 3, so of the 16 available innings, he has only scored above 30 8 times, with 4 of those being innings of 50-60. Factor in a dropped catches across all those series and Sarfraz has probabley let opposition batsmen score more runs than he himself has maanged to scrape together.

Surely there are better keepers in the hundreds of cricketers currently playing in Pakistan, who could scrape together 20-30 runs in most cases and get the odd score of 40+?
 
Sarfraz is nowhere near WK batsmen like de Kock and Bairstow, but he is comfortably the best we have.
 
Mamoon said:
Sarfraz is nowhere near WK batsmen like de Kock and Bairstow, but he is comfortably the best we have.
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Yet he has better average and strike rate in all formats than Bairstow. De Kock opens the innings and has played very few matches and is already one of the best young batsmen in the world let alone the keeper batsman. Sarfraz bats at 6,7.
 
SaadAliG said:
Yet he has better average and strike rate in all formats than Bairstow. De Kock opens the innings and has played very few matches and is already one of the best young batsmen in the world let alone the keeper batsman. Sarfraz bats at 6,7.
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Bairstow has improved a lot over the last year. He is England's second best batsman at the moment and is a world class batsman. His all-round game is superior to Sarfraz's. No point in bringing LOIs here. Sarfraz did well in England in the ODI series, but he won't get into the LOI team. They have such a powerful batting unit in LOIs that even Bairstow cannot get a game. However, in Pakistan, he will be the main batsman in LOIs, such is the gulf between the two teams.
 
Mamoon said:
Sarfraz is nowhere near WK batsmen like de Kock and Bairstow, but he is comfortably the best we have.
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Bairstow is probably the most overrated batsmen in the world. He's the Misbah of England who looks well till he throws his wickets away...3 test 100s is testimony to that. ATM, Sarfraz is ahead in Tests. Although me thinks that Bairstow has a higher ceiling, one of which he can exploit once he drops the gloves.

De Kock however is not only the best WK batsman in the world, he's also one of the best overall batsmans in the world.
 
I always thought on keeping abilities alone Adnan was the best we had but sarfaraz brings so much more to the table, it's just that some of these lapses can be very costly in test cricket.
 
Haz95 said:
Bairstow is probably the most overrated batsmen in the world. He's the Misbah of England who looks well till he throws his wickets away...3 test 100s is testimony to that. ATM, Sarfraz is ahead in Tests. Although me thinks that Bairstow has a higher ceiling, one of which he can exploit once he drops the gloves.

De Kock however is not only the best WK batsman in the world, he's also one of the best overall batsmans in the world.
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I would argue that he is actually quite underrated, and his potential is not being maximized by England. He is better than anyone barring Root and Cook, but he bats too low and the gloves inhibit him. Ideally, he should be moving to number four with Buttler coming in as keeper, but Bairstow has been very dismissive of that idea. He is also terribly unlucky because England is the only ODI team at the moment that cannot accommodate him.

De Kock though, is a legend in the making. Unless something bizarre happens or he gets injured, he will most likely overtake Gilchrist. Breathtaking player.
 
another easy stumping missed. I'm sure the other 10 players must be mad at him same way he is mad at them all the time.
 
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Can’t bat, can’t keep, atrocious fitness. The name “specialist captain” coined by yours truly couldn’t be more apt.
 
He is the best we have got right now

I don't rate him much in LOIs as a player, hopefully a youngster can replace him in the future.
 
Yes he is not. Esp. with this fitness. Its his Captaincy and Batting which is keeping him in XI never keeping.
 
Mamoon said:
Can’t bat, can’t keep, atrocious fitness. The name “specialist captain” coined by yours truly couldn’t be more apt.
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Do you think we can afford a specialist captain in an already fragile batting lineup?
 
Faran96 said:
Do you think we can afford a specialist captain in an already fragile batting lineup?
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Sarfraz doesn’t make the team on merit, but unfortunately, we don’t have replacements. We have never produced a world class WK batsman and probably never will.
 
This from de Kock

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Sorry but to do this, you need to be supremely fit as well as skilled.
 
Mohammad Rizwan is a 100 times better wicket-keeper but Sarfraz is needed for his captaincy. Best captain we have in Pakistan at the moment.
 
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This from de Kock

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Sorry but to do this, you need to be supremely fit as well as skilled.
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But but but because he yells at others so he is the best we have. Sarfraz's fans excuses reminds me of Wahab Riaz when his fans use similar excuses to justify his inclusion like because "he is fast and bowl with his heart out so should play".

We need to understand Sarfraz has been failing in his primary roles and it's been quite a while since we have seen him play one decent knock. You can't be the best by just yelling, you need to perform in your primary roles.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Mohammad Rizwan is a 100 times better wicket-keeper but Sarfraz is needed for his captaincy. Best captain we have in Pakistan at the moment.
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Trust me, Rizwan will prove to be 1000th times better captain than him. Very underrated player. But that won't solve our problems. When you have a walking wicket or very limited batsman as a captain he will be nothing but a liability. A captain must do his primary role and be very very consistent at that otherwise he has no right to be a captain if he can't lead from the front.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Or you know, Sarfaraz can improve? :yk2
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This thread was made 4 years back and we can see how much he has improved..:))

average under 20s in the last 20 odd games and with this sort of keeping tells you how much he has improved.
 
Rizwan is another awful WK batsman

He was playing like a tail ender against England
 
No idea if that run out today of Guptill was deliberate as he felt he was the danger man or whether he thought Williamson would make it. I think Williamson is a bigger wicket.
 
Nearly messed up the Guptill run out.

Seemed he had no clue what he was doing.
 
Saj said:
Nearly messed up the Guptill run out.

Seemed he had no clue what he was doing.
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In the next over he didn't even run to cover the stumps, Ruman ran to cover for the throw
 
Saj said:
Nearly messed up the Guptill run out.

Seemed he had no clue what he was doing.
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Williamson was almost home, Sarfraz did the right thing. Don't go by what the commentators were saying. If you see the replay Sarf could've gotten out WIlliamson but it would've been alot closer than how he got Guptil out. PLus Guptill is more dangerous than tuk tuk Williamson. Fans/posters need some objectivity.
 
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