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Shadab Khan’s batting position in Limited Over Internationals

Mamoon said:
Enjoy these false hopes against pathetic PSL bowling and fielding. I have seen all that I need to see regarding Shadab at the international level.
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Poor post. Why are not batsmen like Shehzad and Imam Ul Haq smashing these «pathetic» bowlers consistently?
 
Ertugrul_Bey said:
You have made a habit out of eating humble pies every now and then. Hit the treadmill before the WC so you are ready to be served a few more by Shadab.
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Considering Pakistan’s ranking in Tests and ODIs, I serve ten times more pies than I eat myself. Anyway, I don’t see this as a competition.

Shadab will continue to fail in international cricket. He is an average cricketer.
 
IAJ said:
Poor post. Why are not batsmen like Shehzad and Imam Ul Haq smashing these «pathetic» bowlers consistently?
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Same reason why Luke Ronchi has scored more runs than Jason Roy and Babar Azam.

The moral of the story is that it means nothing. Shehzad is badly out of form and Imam is not a T20 player.
 
So a few games of PSL and suddenly we forget the last 12 months of horrid performances with bat and ball in international cricket which is what really matters. Okay then.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
A few things dude, props to Shadab for having the courage to come up the order and play with confidence. Despite [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 's incomprehensible negativity, if the lad is scoring as much as he is, he'll atleast be partially effective at International level.

Now, I looked at your batting order and I suggest a few tweaks.

I absolutely don't want to select Kami, as he's WAY past his sell by date in internationals, but he should only he selected if bats at 6. Here me out:

Babar - Anchors the innings
Sharjeel- plays aggressive, so could get out early. Also keeps a left right combo at the top.
Haider - plays aggressive, so could get out early
Shadab- Plays like he did today
Imad- Shores up the innings at a decent strike rate plus keeps the left-right combo
Hafeez - Has to come in and smash
Kami - Has to come in and smash
Amir
Shaheen
Haris/Naseem
Zafar Gohar/Umer Khan

If we can find a good finisher, he would come after Kami, and u then don't play Zafar/Umer. That, I believe is a very balanced team
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I am on the same page as you but when it comes to opening slot, we don’t have anyone better then Kami at the moment. I would love to see Sharjeel open but his is not ready to face Starc, Bolt and Bhumra. I think he needs more time before he’s thrown in the deep waters.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colin Ingram "Shadab Khan has a massive heart and he is a big character. It's been great to have him firing with the bat as he has. He is a 3-in-1 cricketer and really exciting for the future. His captaincy has been brilliant, he is a warm person and gets the guys around him"</p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1236302188319772672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Ertugrul_Bey said:
I am on the same page as you but when it comes to opening slot, we don’t have anyone better then Kami at the moment. I would love to see Sharjeel open but his is not ready to face Starc, Bolt and Bhumra. I think he needs more time before he’s thrown in the deep waters.
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Kami is ready to face the likes of Bolt :)

Sharjeel is a great player of pace, he will do a lot better then tried and tested Kamran.
 
If Pakistan select the right limited overs squad, Shadab should bat at 6 or 7 and slot in at 3 if a slog hitter is required. Right now he needs to work on his bowling again (his fitness has returned and I hope the PCB can manage his injuries) and become the best young leggy around. His batting will come and should not be his main suit.
 
The batting is a bonus and his hitting ability is a real surprise to me. But his career will make or break with his bowling. Too often he has lacked the control needed at this level , although there were sone positive signs in one of the games.
 
Nobody can question this kid's heart or ability to take responsibility as a captain. We don't even know if we've seen Shadab's ceiling yet, he is still very young.

I don't know how his performances will compare internationally, but he deserves a lot of kudos for how well he's done at this PSL.
 
Take a bow shadab taking responsibility by taking the captaincy and excelling in the batting brave lad
 
Mamoon said:
Considering Pakistan’s ranking in Tests and ODIs, I serve ten times more pies than I eat myself. Anyway, I don’t see this as a competition.

Shadab will continue to fail in international cricket. He is an average cricketer.
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LOL I remember you were saying he was getting luck a few weeks ago. Is he still getting lucky?
 
Ertugrul_Bey said:
I am on the same page as you but when it comes to opening slot, we don’t have anyone better then Kami at the moment. I would love to see Sharjeel open but his is not ready to face Starc, Bolt and Bhumra. I think he needs more time before he’s thrown in the deep waters.
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Hilarious post of the week - Kami is ready to face starc boult and bumra!!!!
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
LOL I remember you were saying he was getting luck a few weeks ago. Is he still getting lucky?
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He gets dropped like five times every innings and is cashing on poor bowling. The fact that he is scoring half-centuries for fun sums up the quality of bowling in PSL.

Anyway, may he continue to score impact-less runs. It is great for Zalmi.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I sense you are right. Shadab is doing more harm. his bowling jas gone fown so trying to survive with bat by coming at 4 and occupying batsman spot. His captaincy today was attrocious. He bowled with faheem in power play and that too for two overs. Very very overrated captain and bowler . If he has to succeed e has to make his 4 overs count.
 
More than the runs, he has played some really good shots on decent deliveries. He has improved his range and his backlift is looking better too. Still I am not sure if he will be able to succeed at no 8 in LOIs as it sometimes gives you just few balls and its difficult to get going straight away so definitely can be rotated depending upon the situation to give him a chance to grow at international level as well.
 
Pumping a 147k+ bowler like Wahab isn’t so simple, that too in the PSL where Wahab is a king bowler.

Well done Shadab, I am convinced that he can bat in the top 5. And maybe Pakistan does bat him before Malik and Hafeez in the World Cup
 
Given the depressing options currently available to Pakistan at 3 and 4 in T20s - I would happy give Shadab an extended run in the top 4
 
Danyaalr01 said:
Shadab is basically confirmed for the World T20 now. I would choose Umer Khan as the other spinner.
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We have to make use of this to help get our team balance right.
Let him go and have fun at number 4.
He has the personality for it
 
Mamoon said:
He gets dropped like five times every innings and is cashing on poor bowling. The fact that he is scoring half-centuries for fun sums up the quality of bowling in PSL.

Anyway, may he continue to score impact-less runs. It is great for Zalmi.
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In terms of quality of bowling PSL is one of the best T20 leagues in the world. And on that I will take the word of players who have actually in the PSL and other T20 leagues around the world rather than yours.
 
Islamabad were unlucky today because of the rain. Could have been a close match and possibly a match-winning knock from Shadab had Zalmi played all 20 overs.
 
Mamoon said:
He gets dropped like five times every innings and is cashing on poor bowling. The fact that he is scoring half-centuries for fun sums up the quality of bowling in PSL.

Anyway, may he continue to score impact-less runs. It is great for Zalmi.
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He got dropped first on 63. How were his runs impactless. He scored 77 at almost 200 Strike rate, after his team were 2 down in the powerplay.

I'm sure if his name was Ravindra Kumar or something like that, then you would say he is going to be the next Steve Smith.
 
Danyaalr01 said:
He got dropped first on 63. How were his runs impactless. He scored 77 at almost 200 Strike rate, after his team were 2 down in the powerplay.

I'm sure if his name was Ravindra Kumar or something like that, then you would say he is going to be the next Steve Smith.
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If his name was Akshay Kumar lol
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Is Shadab a batting all rounder? I thought he was a bowler who can bat a bit
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He has usually made the most of his batting opportunities in international, but very rarely got a chance. Now he has given himself a chance and is showing that he is batting too low for Pakistan.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Is Shadab a batting all rounder? I thought he was a bowler who can bat a bit
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Up until two weeks ago he was a pure spinner who could hit a boundary or two. His batting exploded when he got the captaincy and promoted himself to 1 down, 2 down
 
Mamoon said:
Considering Pakistan’s ranking in Tests and ODIs, I serve ten times more pies than I eat myself. Anyway, I don’t see this as a competition.

Shadab will continue to fail in international cricket. He is an average cricketer.
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Genuinely curious - what was your opinion of Steve Smith or Labuschagne when they came on the scene?
 
Mamoon said:
So a glorified tail-ender at the international level is batting like de Villiers in PSL, and then we are told that PSL has the best bowling among all the leagues.
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This guy.... I agree with you to some part that I can’t see Shadab scoring runs higher up the order in international cricket.

However, PSL does have a good bowling overall, it’s not the finished article yet I know. It is still a very new league and will take time to develop and different players will come and go.
 
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I did bump this thread after Shadab’s first good innings in this PSL, and am in favour of trying the experiment of playing him at 4 in T20 cricket before the wc.

However, just to point out some things that aren’t in Shadab’s favour:

1. He is weak driving through the covers, and doesn’t have good, consistent lofted drives over the covers either. Basically, he is not a full 360 player, he is like a 270 player when it comes to big hitting.

2. When he slogs, he clears his front leg very often. This is predictable and there are also several ways to counter it for international bowlers - wide of the off stump; target middle of leg stump; aim for the batsman’s thigh; fuller, yorker length if you have pace or swing.

3. He has been dropped a comically large number of times in these PSL innings

However, he has certainly done enough so far in the PSL to deserve a shot up the order in the national team. And he is rubbish at no. 8, so even if he doesn’t succeed as often, it will give us batting depth and allow us to play a pure hitter lower down the order instead of him.
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right all along.

Shadab isn't really a genuine hitter.

Why promote yourself when there are only nine overs in the game?

You need proper strikers of the ball who can hit multiple boundaries in a single over like Vince is doing and Munro did.

This clueless captain promoted himself again! And lost us the match. Kept struggling as he can't smash the bowlers from the start.
 
Hawkeye said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right all along.

Shadab isn't really a genuine hitter.

Why promote yourself when there are only nine overs in the game?

You need proper strikers of the ball who can hit multiple boundaries in a single over like Vince is doing and Munro did.

This clueless captain promoted himself again! And lost us the match. Kept struggling as he can't smash the bowlers from the start.
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He has stolen Ingram’s runs throughout the tournament. Ingram didn’t give up international cricket to bat behind a vastly inferior batsman in PSL.
 
squanchy said:
Genuinely curious - what was your opinion of Steve Smith or Labuschagne when they came on the scene?
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The first time I properly saw Labu, he got hit on the head by Archer on his first ball and then scored a resilient half-century. I knew he was a serious player.

The first time I properly saw Smith, he scored 77 against Amir and Asif in extremely bowling friendly conditions in England in 2010.

However, never in my wildest dreams did I think that he would end up as one of the all time great Test batsmen. To be honest, no one would have predicted his astonishing transformation.

I am afraid Shadab is not the next Smith. He might be the next Malik at best, who also started as a bowler before getting promoted up the order.

If Shadab turns out to be the next Smith, I will have no problem admitting that I was wrong.
 
Mamoon said:
He has stolen Ingram’s runs throughout the tournament. Ingram didn’t give up international cricket to bat behind a vastly inferior batsman in PSL.
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Ingram gave his international cricket for money which he's earning here so he shouldn't complain.
 
Danyaalr01 said:
He got dropped first on 63. How were his runs impactless. He scored 77 at almost 200 Strike rate, after his team were 2 down in the powerplay.

I'm sure if his name was Ravindra Kumar or something like that, then you would say he is going to be the next Steve Smith.
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If his name was Ravindra Kumar he might have been a better player than what he is now. There is a reason why India is miles ahead of us - they produce superior cricketers.

As far as dropped catches are concerned, look, it is not about one innings only. Over the course of this PSL, no batsmen has benefited more from dropped catches.

Of course it is not his fault that the fielders get butter on their fingers whenever he hits the ball in the air, but it has helped him boost his runs tally.

Besides, dropped catches often have greater impact than we think. In his very first innings of this PSL, he was dropped twice when he had barely scored any runs.

If those catches were taken, Misbah might have ended this experiment of him promoting himself up the order and he may not have had further opportunities to score runs up the order.

I am afraid these dropped catches and false hopes are going to backfire for Pakistan.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
In terms of quality of bowling PSL is one of the best T20 leagues in the world. And on that I will take the word of players who have actually in the PSL and other T20 leagues around the world rather than yours.
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RedwoodOriginal said:
He will always have an excuse because he has trouble admitting when he has been proven wrong.
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One of the best T20 leagues in the world means nothing really, when you have about 5-6 proper leagues at the moment.

The fact is that IPL is at a completely different level to all other league and is basically equivalent to international cricket at this point, while PSL, BBL, BPL, CPL and MSL are largely comparable. They are all miles behind IPL.

People regularly propagate the myth that the quality of PSL is the best among all the leagues but it is a completely unsubstantiated claim.

When the PSL was played in the UAE and teams would limp to totals of 150-160, our fans would do bhangra and credit the so-called high quality bowling for the low scores, which were actually down to the sluggish wickets.

This year, teams are regularly scoring 180+ because Pakistani pitches are flat and give batsmen value for shots.

Any league where 90% of the best active Limited Overs batsmen and bowlers do not play does not deserve to be called the best.

The absence of world class, contemporary fast bowlers like Starc, Cummins, Rabada, Boult etc. is not compensated by the overrated local talent.

Our local bowlers are nothing special and that is why Pakistan’s bowling has been largely mediocre for so many years, and that is why the likes Rahat, Irfan and Faheem are frontline bowlers in PSL in 2020.

The presence of so-called world class young talents like Naseem and Hasnain do not compensate for the presence of TTFs and absence of the leading bowlers in the world.

I don’t mind admitting when I am wrong but I won’t be coerced into believing something because of peer pressure. I genuinely don’t believe that Shadab is good enough to score runs against the top sides while batting in the top 4.

The problem is that because of the miserable state of Pakistan cricket and the desperation of Pakistani fans, we tend to get carried away and get excited very easily.

It literally takes nothing for the hyper fans to start serving humble pies, only for the excitement to fizzle away once such performances turn out to be false hopes.

For example, take a look at Azam Khan. After a couple of performances in the earlier games, people started handing out humble pies to people who doubted him, and now the same folks are nowhere to be found when he hasn’t scored a run for games and plays spin like a novice.

There is a good chance that Shadab might bat in the top 4 in the WT20 especially because Misbah is his coach in PSL as well. If he scores runs, I will have no problem admitting that I was wrong. If he fails, which is the more likely outcome, I will have no problem reminding Pakistani fans not to get carried away with false hopes over and over....and over again.
 
DRsohail said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I sense you are right. Shadab is doing more harm. his bowling jas gone fown so trying to survive with bat by coming at 4 and occupying batsman spot. His captaincy today was attrocious. He bowled with faheem in power play and that too for two overs. Very very overrated captain and bowler . If he has to succeed e has to make his 4 overs count.
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This drama of him being a good top order batsman will end soon. Just wait before we try this flop experiment against quality international sides.

People learn the hard way and then they cry that I am pessimistic and blah blah.
 
Mamoon said:
He has stolen Ingram’s runs throughout the tournament. Ingram didn’t give up international cricket to bat behind a vastly inferior batsman in PSL.
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Absolutely, in most of the cases.

However where ISLU made 195, he did bat quite decent and didn't steal anyone's runs.

In the other matches and in particular today, when there were only 9 overs to bat, he completely stopped the flow of runs.

Him coming in early is the reason of ISLU's loss today and this experiment needs to end.
 
Shadab may not be able to command a no.3 slot in internationals yet but what he has demonstrated is that his batting has improved especially power hitting. He was poor in the past when trying to power hit. His technique is simple and keeps still. Someone like Faheem has not shown any improvement but still gets selected. He sure deserves a spot in the squad. It's not like we are loaded with young cricketers at the moment.
 
He should be groomed as a batsman at 2 down or 3 down who can bowl leg breaks, same like Steve Smith:root
 
To me, Shadab’s player value has declined - because, he has lost grounds in his bowling. He is not good enough to be a specialist bat, let alone at top order. His best chance to reach greatness was to be a quality leggi, who can bat. He is trying other way and it might end like Faheem or Fakhar.
 
Poor batting again as he's a slow starter.

Got under pressure, now out.

Looks like this will hurt us again like the 9 overs match.
 
Today's match proven how valuable Shadab has been for IU, when he failed others could not even take the team to 150.
 
I think this should be our t20i lineup

Sharjeel
Babar
Haider
Shahdab
Hafeez/Malik
Keeper
Imad/Amad/Zafar
Wahab/Amir
Shaheen
Naseem
Hasnain/Rauf
 
Lol Ramiz Raja advocates for Shadab to open the innings for Pakistan in the ODI and T20 format. Why not try an out of the box idea?
 
I’d say try Shadab at 4. Against Ireland, experiment with a top 4 of Babar, Sharjeel, Haider, and Shadab.
 
Always will be a dramaybaaz player. International sides would love to see him bat in the top-order.

Beating Pakistan is already a piece of cake, but it will only get easier if we forcefully try to make this glorified tail-ender a top-order batsman.
 
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