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Shadab Khan has been ruled out from further participation on the South Africa and Zimbabwe tours after suffering a left toe injury while batting during the second One-Day International that has sidelined him for up to four weeks.

X-rays conducted following the match revealed an “intra articular communicated fracture” though there is neither any displacement nor angulation. The injury will be treated conservatively and Shadab will undergo a four-week rehab.
 
Finally Misbah is able to make atleast one change without having to think too much outside of the box.
 
Wish him a quick recovery. He shouldn't have played the second ODI after his performance in first ODI and would probably have avoided the injury, but what is bound to happen will happen.
 
Thats bad news for shadab Hope he recovers quick

On the plus side this is an opportunity for someone else who hopefully can come in and perform well

We desperately need the squad players to put their hands up and push the likes of shadab to perform better than they are
 
No news on a replacement as yet from PCB.
 
Sunzi said:
Thank God!
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Not that I want players to get hurt but my sentiments exactly.

Injury or not, he shouldn't be selected anyway given his form in last 3 years. Now we can play a proper spinner.
 
PSL did give a decent insight into the players. Shadab has been struggling and was poor during the PSL. But he was still fast tracked into the side being VC.
 
The expert panel of medical staff of PCB always doing great work.
This is what happens when you have incompetent doctors or lack of actual doctors and take physiotherapist's word for granted.

Shadab's been tripe for over a year now, needs to be sent back to NHPC considering there's no domestic cricket going on.
 
The expert panel of medical staff of PCB always doing great work.
This is what happens when you have incompetent doctors or lack of actual doctors and take physiotherapist's word for granted.

Shadab's been tripe for over a year now, needs to be sent back to NHPC considering there's no domestic cricket going on.
 
Well finally we might have a leg spinner who actually takes wickets in Qadir. Shadab needs to follow his mate's Hassan Ali's example and do the hard yards in domestics to get his bowling form back.
 
This guy is made of glass.

Keeps breaking down, and hes what 22 years old in fake records.

The guy shatters just by playing a match.


Anyways, lets see if usman qadir spins it on these pitches.

So shadab is out.

Danish aziz would also be out.

Now question is woukd asif ali play or not.

Pakistan would be going in with one less batsmen.

Itd either going to be haider ali and abdullah shafiq. Or haider ali and sarfraz ahmed.

But than there is also the bowling dilemma. I think hassan ali isnt fit due to covid effect on lungs.

So will pakistan go with 4 changes?
 
Zahid mehmood should replace him for t20s and zimbabwe.

Now for the last odi. Pakistan could be forced to make 4 changes. Would be quite interesting if they do it.

Possible changes:
Shadab=usman qadir
Asif ali= sarfraz ahmed
Danish aziz= haider ali
M. Hasnain= hasan ali

Or maybe pakistan goes with 3 chnages with shadab being replaced with hassan ali
 
I think Fakhar Zaman should be drafted in for Shadab for the T20s. Usman and nawaz should be able to cover the spin department .
 
Major said:
This guy is made of glass.

Keeps breaking down, and hes what 22 years old in fake records.

The guy shatters just by playing a match.


Anyways, lets see if usman qadir spins it on these pitches.

So shadab is out.

Danish aziz would also be out.

Now question is woukd asif ali play or not.

Pakistan would be going in with one less batsmen.

Itd either going to be haider ali and abdullah shafiq. Or haider ali and sarfraz ahmed.

But than there is also the bowling dilemma. I think hassan ali isnt fit due to covid effect on lungs.

So will pakistan go with 4 changes?
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So basically the necessary changes are Shadab Khan and Danish Aziz, both need to be dropped. Both need to be replaced with bowling options, so Nawaz is one person who is guaranteed to play. Usman Qadir could play, but this is where we needed someone like Haris Sohail, good enough to bowl a few overs when needed.

Now, it means that Asif Ali needs to be replaced with either Sarfaraz Ahmed or Haider Ali. The goal would be to give us deep batting, so Hasan Ali comes in for Hasnain.

Therefore, one option is to go with:

Fakhar Zaman (can bowl 1-2 overs if needed)
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan/Sarfaraz Ahmed
Haider Ali
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Nawaz
Usman Qadir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf

A more risky option is to swap Nawaz with Sarfaraz, and make Fakhar bowl the extra overs if needed.
 
hard luck, hope he recover soon, Need to bring in Qadir & Hassan, Also Sarfraz & Haider for Danish & Asif
 
It pains me to say it, but the guy has become a terrible bowler. He has still offers alot in the team as batsman in the lower order and a really good fielder but 1st and foremost he is a spinner and he doesn't spin the ball.
 
Mohammad nawaz doesnt spin the ball. So dont really se the point of playing him
 
Puts the real 22-year olds on earth to shame does Shadab.
 
Good news for Pakistan. I was recommending dropping him for Qadir and Hasnain for Hassan to compensate for the batting loss. With his action, I can't see him get a lot of purchase or spin off the wicket, he used to bowl a good google, don't see that now. He is comfortable with the bat and of course is a live wire on the field, in the long run I can see him forsaking the bowling to become a better batter.
 
Thank God we can finally remove the show pony who is all show and no real substance. He has talent but no end result at this time.
 
Saj said:
No news on a replacement as yet from PCB.
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There is no point in calling a replacement. Considering the visa collection, flying time into South Africa and quarantine before joining the bubble it will take at least 10 days. By that time the series will be almost over. Thats teh reason tourung teams nowadays travel with an extended squad to cover any injuries on tour.
 
Never nice to see a player injured, but it gives Shadab a chance to take a break, reassess his game and where he is going and then work on his bowling with the likes of Mushtaq Ahmed and Saqlain Mushtaq.

He needs to play First-class cricket if he is to improve his bowling. He won't improve as a bowler from bowling 4 over spell after 4 over spell.
 
He's been very good injury prone of late. He should have been dropped due to poor form
 
Markhor said:
Not that I want players to get hurt but my sentiments exactly.

Injury or not, he shouldn't be selected anyway given his form in last 3 years. Now we can play a proper spinner.
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Precisely dude.
IAJ said:
You are happy a player got injured? Amazing.
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No, [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] read between the lines perfectly, as quoted above.
 
Time to work on his bowling and overall game as it is not developing as per expectations.
 
Saj said:
Never nice to see a player injured, but it gives Shadab a chance to take a break, reassess his game and where he is going and then work on his bowling with the likes of Mushtaq Ahmed and Saqlain Mushtaq.

He needs to play First-class cricket if he is to improve his bowling. He won't improve as a bowler from bowling 4 over spell after 4 over spell.
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They were both excellent bowlers but He has worked with both and its not made any difference, comparatively he spun the ball more at the U19 level.
His problem is a technical one, he releases the ball from underneath the hand without enough side spin, and if you compare that with a classic Leg Spinner like Warne, who releases the ball from the side of the hand( or at creates the perception), you see why it's spinning so much more.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ball hit me on the toe while batting which has ruled me out of the tour. I am working very very hard and giving it my all, I have not been able to perform at the level I want to but hard work will InshAllah pay off. InshAllah I will bounce back and win matches for Pakistan.</p>— Shadab Khan (@76Shadabkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/76Shadabkhan/status/1379012885456642048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Maybe we could bring in Nawaz to keep in tight with the ball and add some helpful runs at No.6 or 7 or they could bring in Usman Qadir to maybe get some wickets but with the pitches not offering much spin and making spinners non threatening.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ball hit me on the toe while batting which has ruled me out of the tour. I am working very very hard and giving it my all, I have not been able to perform at the level I want to but hard work will InshAllah pay off. InshAllah I will bounce back and win matches for Pakistan.</p>— Shadab Khan (@76Shadabkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/76Shadabkhan/status/1379012885456642048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I always wonder why in the world, many of these batting shoes don’t have a composite toe to protect the batsman?

Whenever I play with hardball, I use caterpillar’s safety work sneakers with a composite toe.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
The way Hasnain batted, I think we can promote him at 6 or 7
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He definitely looked better than some of our specialists :))

Team management failure to pay attention to detail was exposed again, Hasnain should've batted ahead of Shaheen and Rauf who could barely get bat on ball.
 
Markhor said:
He definitely looked better than some of our specialists :))

Team management failure to pay attention to detail was exposed again, Hasnain should've batted ahead of Shaheen and Rauf who could barely get bat on ball.
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Seriously, you would think these highly paid "professional" coaches and team strategists, and Think Tanks must have noted this in net sessions but mind boggling to see their inability and incompetence. Something that we ordinary fans can easily see is not perceivable by them?
 
Fakhar Zaman
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Haider Ali
Mohammad Nawaz
Faheem Ashraf
Usman Qadir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf
 
Bewal Express said:
They were both excellent bowlers but He has worked with both and its not made any difference, comparatively he spun the ball more at the U19 level.
His problem is a technical one, he releases the ball from underneath the hand without enough side spin, and if you compare that with a classic Leg Spinner like Warne, who releases the ball from the side of the hand( or at creates the perception), you see why it's spinning so much more.
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Good spot. A bowler like Warne had exceptionally strong wrists, it's going to be improbable that other bowlers can impart that much side-spin on the ball. It's also a very Australian way of spinning the ball, whereas in countries with softer pitches one would see people using the seam and imparting more top-spin.

Shadab's pretty much lost to the game as a bowler, it's unlikely he can get back to the level he was at even 4 years ago without taking a hiatus from white ball cricket and working on mastering the leg-break in domestic cricket.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Good spot. A bowler like Warne had exceptionally strong wrists, it's going to be improbable that other bowlers can impart that much side-spin on the ball. It's also a very Australian way of spinning the ball, whereas in countries with softer pitches one would see people using the seam and imparting more top-spin.

Shadab's pretty much lost to the game as a bowler, it's unlikely he can get back to the level he was at even 4 years ago without taking a hiatus from white ball cricket and working on mastering the leg-break in domestic cricket.
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Not to go into too much detail my son had the same problem as Shadab.
 
Blessing in disguise. He is neither a bowler, not a batsman at the moment. Just a fielder who runs fast at times and may take catches.
 
I understand no PCT fan would wish one of their players to get injured but good to see a collective sigh of relief on Shadab missing out on the rest of the tournament. Agree with many here that he needs to go back to domestic and massively improve his game to claim a spot in the team.
 
All these posters saying this could be a blessing in disguise as Shadab can work on his game. He has been injured in the last year a couple of times. When he has returned from his injury, he hasn’t changed anything significant. Doubt he will change anything anytime soon.

What he needs to do is play first class cricket. It’s absolutely shocking he has played so few first class cricket. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] can you ask Shadab or someone in the management why he has hardly played any first class cricket?
 
Hasan123 said:
All these posters saying this could be a blessing in disguise as Shadab can work on his game. He has been injured in the last year a couple of times. When he has returned from his injury, he hasn’t changed anything significant. Doubt he will change anything anytime soon.

What he needs to do is play first class cricket. It’s absolutely shocking he has played so few first class cricket. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] can you ask Shadab or someone in the management why he has hardly played any first class cricket?
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Blessing in disguise because someone else could do better and potentially grab his spot. That’s the only way you can replace Shadab after Misbah and co. appointed him VC which was one of the many stupid decisions.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Blessing in disguise because someone else could do better and potentially grab his spot. That’s the only way you can replace Shadab after Misbah and co. appointed him VC which was one of the many stupid decisions.
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As you mentioned he is the vice captain, Misbah also likes him. He is not getting dropped. Misbah and co will say he was out injured and he did nothing to lose his place.

Looking back making him the vice captain was not a great move.
 
Hasan123 said:
As you mentioned he is the vice captain, Misbah also likes him. He is not getting dropped. Misbah and co will say he was out injured and he did nothing to lose his place.

Looking back making him the vice captain was not a great move.
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Fair. Knowing Misbah I won't be surprised if this happens.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Good spot. A bowler like Warne had exceptionally strong wrists, it's going to be improbable that other bowlers can impart that much side-spin on the ball. It's also a very Australian way of spinning the ball, whereas in countries with softer pitches one would see people using the seam and imparting more top-spin.

Shadab's pretty much lost to the game as a bowler, it's unlikely he can get back to the level he was at even 4 years ago without taking a hiatus from white ball cricket and working on mastering the leg-break in domestic cricket.
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Well I don't think Shane Warne will go to Lahore in the coming weeks so I reckon he'll have to work with Mushy and Saqlain again.

Another technical issue is what I mentioned in another thread, he is not getting through his action. He is literally stopping straight after bowling, there is hardly any rotation, drive with his body or follow through.
 
Saj said:
Well I don't think Shane Warne will go to Lahore in the coming weeks so I reckon he'll have to work with Mushy and Saqlain again.

Another technical issue is what I mentioned in another thread, he is not getting through his action. He is literally stopping straight after bowling, there is hardly any rotation, drive with his body or follow through.
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I agree.

Main issue I foresee is that every time he gets half-fit, he rushes back to play white ball cricket. He'll never be able to sort out those technical issues playing short-form cricket as it necessarily hampers consistently repeatable bowling actions.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Good spot. A bowler like Warne had exceptionally strong wrists, it's going to be improbable that other bowlers can impart that much side-spin on the ball. It's also a very Australian way of spinning the ball, whereas in countries with softer pitches one would see people using the seam and imparting more top-spin.

Shadab's pretty much lost to the game as a bowler, it's unlikely he can get back to the level he was at even 4 years ago without taking a hiatus from white ball cricket and working on mastering the leg-break in domestic cricket.
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I have given images of extremes but it shows how much work has in front of him. The sad fact is that some leg spin bowlers arent even aware of this big technical problem. As I said my lad had the problem and as much as I worked with him, we never solved it. It becomes an instinctive part of the makeup.
@Saj
Can you pass on these 2 images to him to make him aware. With so many pro coaches around, I am sure one can help him.
 
Saj said:
Well I don't think Shane Warne will go to Lahore in the coming weeks so I reckon he'll have to work with Mushy and Saqlain again.

Another technical issue is what I mentioned in another thread, he is not getting through his action. He is literally stopping straight after bowling, there is hardly any rotation, drive with his body or follow through.
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This issue you mention actually is part of the ball being released from under the hand which effectively means that you are spinning the ball with 2 fingers. My lad had exactly the same problem and when I asked Mushy to have a look at him in 2016, he immediately said the lad has to follow through towards the target.
 
Last Monetarist said:
I agree.

Main issue I foresee is that every time he gets half-fit, he rushes back to play white ball cricket. He'll never be able to sort out those technical issues playing short-form cricket as it necessarily hampers consistently repeatable bowling actions.
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The one thing Pakistan aren't struggling for is spinners or spin all rounders. I don't know why we rush to bring Shadab back in every series like he's some A grade match winner. He's still young, he needs a break back to the drawing board to become a force over the long term. At the moment he's destined to remain mediocre at international level where he hasn't got the confidence to try anything new.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
I always wonder why in the world, many of these batting shoes don’t have a composite toe to protect the batsman?

Whenever I play with hardball, I use caterpillar’s safety work sneakers with a composite toe.
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Too heavy - will slow down batsman whilst they are batting / running..
 
msb314 said:
Too heavy - will slow down batsman whilst they are batting / running..
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A composite toe is just a piece of hard plastic. I have worn many different kinds of cricket shoes and sneakers with a composite toe. Perhaps for ultra high level professionals, an ounce up or down may matter a lot for personally, I didn't find much of a difference.
I mean they are already used to wearing those heavy pads, gloves etc, why not protect a very delicate part of your body, you toe fingers that is?

Anyway, I see you are located in Peoria IL, do you guys drive to St. Louis sometimes to play?
 
Bewal Express said:
This issue you mention actually is part of the ball being released from under the hand which effectively means that you are spinning the ball with 2 fingers. My lad had exactly the same problem and when I asked Mushy to have a look at him in 2016, he immediately said the lad has to follow through towards the target.
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I think one reason could be the make-up of the arms and shoulder. As a kid and even now, I couldn't help but release the ball from the side of my hand when bowling leg-spin. I could bowl a googly but it was very obvious from the action and it wasn't very effective.

One of my friends, on the other hand, could only bowl googlies and top spinners. He basically couldn't bowl a legspinner which I thought was very odd. He probably could have trained himself to bowl it but it certainly wasn't easy for him.
 
Third Man said:
I think one reason could be the make-up of the arms and shoulder. As a kid and even now, I couldn't help but release the ball from the side of my hand when bowling leg-spin. I could bowl a googly but it was very obvious from the action and it wasn't very effective.

One of my friends, on the other hand, could only bowl googlies and top spinners. He basically couldn't bowl a legspinner which I thought was very odd. He probably could have trained himself to bowl it but it certainly wasn't easy for him.
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I also spun the ball sharply and didn't know why I could and my son couldn't. I then filmed my action and realised that I was releasing the ball from the side of the hand and he wasn't. But as you say it's a natural thing and its very difficult to change. We worked for hours in the nets and had some success but not enough to kick his bowling onto the next level.
 
Hope he recovers soon, but not needed for national team. Bring back someone who can bat or bowl.
 
Suleiman said:
Horrible from you. Shadab the player is below par, but don’t let players’ relevance affect your ability to be a decent human.
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Don't pontificate to me please.

It's unfortunate but seemingly the only way an underperforming player (for at least a couple of years now) will be dropped from the team - it might be unpopular with you but his unavailability for the moment is welcomed.

On any level, naturally I wish him well in his recovery.
 
Sunzi said:
Don't pontificate to me please.

It's unfortunate but seemingly the only way an underperforming player (for at least a couple of years now) will be dropped from the team - it might be unpopular with you but his unavailability for the moment is welcomed.

On any level, naturally I wish him well in his recovery.
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I don’t disagree that he wasn’t performing and needed to go. But let’s be honest, there were a thousand other ways you could have put it. It’s one thing to not like him as a player, I think he needs to go back and earn his place as well, but rejoicing another person’s injury like that is extremely low and people are going to call you out for it and rightfully so.
 
He is rubbish with both bat and ball and he is always injured these days. Why do we keep selecting him and why is he vice-captain?
 
This injury is most likely a made up one

Bowlers back in the days used to smash batsmen toecaps shoaib waqar , batsmen played with broken toes , dislocated fingers etc.

Why do u need 4 weeks recovery for something that isn't even fractured or broken. Shoaib used to bowl with his whole body in pain.

Seems a lame excuse to cover up shadab being dropped, management making a.cock and bull story of fitness injury issue
 
Imad would have been a perfect replacement. Both would have been wicket less but Imad would have bought more value with his batting.
 
Major said:
Mohammad nawaz doesnt spin the ball. So dont really se the point of playing him
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I thought he is , that is why he is preferred over Imad Wasim.

Hope Shadab have a quick and proper recovery.. he should be playing only if he is fit.

Shouldn’t be fast tracked with half fitness or 80% fit.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember me in your prayers. I am putting in a lot of effort, I believe if u keep working hard and keep fighting through tough times, Allah helps u reach ur goals. I will keep working hard and will bounce back inshAllah. Thank you for all your love and support. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanZindabad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanZindabad</a></p>— Shadab Khan (@76Shadabkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/76Shadabkhan/status/1379014111082647556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Zahid Mahmood replaces Shadab Khan for Zimbabwe tour

Pretoria, 7 April 2021:

Wrist spinner Zahid Mahmood has been named as Shadab Khan’s replacement for the three-match T20I series against Zimbabwe, which will be played from 21-25 April in Harare, while Fakhar Zaman will stay with the side for the T20Is in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

Zahid was originally named in the two-Test squad against Zimbabwe, while Fakhar was initially named for the ODIs.

Both the changes were approved by the national selection committee on the request of the team management.
 
Good for nothing cricketer now a days. He has been useless since Asia Cup 2018.
 
Shadab Khan seems to have recovered well and looking forward to leading Islamabad United in the remaining games of PSL 6.
 
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