Shadab Khan versus Hardik Pandya : Battle of the All-rounders

[Mamoon]

Another embarrassing thread.

If Pandya vs Faheem was not enough, we have got Pandya vs Shadab as well.

Never in a million years can Shadab play a knock like this, let alone while chasing 370+ against a world class attack.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Another embarrassing thread.

If Pandya vs Faheem was not enough, we have got Pandya vs Shadab as well.

Never in a million years can Shadab play a knock like this, let alone while chasing 370+ against a world class attack.

Have to agree, Pandya is miles ahead. Meanwhile, Pandya will never ever bowl as well as Shadab.

Fortunately there are two aspects to being an all-rounder, not one.

 

[Mamoon]

Have to agree, Pandya is miles ahead. Meanwhile, Pandya will never ever bowl as well as Shadab.

Fortunately there are two aspects to being an all-rounder, not one.

Shadab is a nothing bowler. His bowling is probably on par with a batting all-rounder like Pandya, and we hype him up as our main spinner in white ball cricket and the successor to Yasir in Test cricket.

Even if we agree that Shadab’s crap leg spin is slightly better, it is not better enough to bridge the gap between the two as far as batting talent is concerned.

Pandya is a miles better all-rounder than Shadab. Heck, Shadab is not even better than his teammate Imad.

 

[Junaids]

Two superb young cricketers who have amazing Test potential.

 

[Rana]

Is Pandya even a bowler (Allrounder) these days?

A pathetic thread because it is hard to say which one of these two is a genuine Allrounder

 

[Rajdeep]

Two superb young cricketers who have amazing Test potential.

This.

 

[Markhor]

Sorry but Shadab doesn't produce an innings like this against any team let alone Australia on their own turf. Will be happy if he proves me otherwise.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Sorry but Shadab doesn't produce an innings like this against any team let alone Australia on their own turf. Will be happy if he proves me otherwise.

And Pandya will probably barely bowl in the rest of his career, who becomes the better all rounder by default?

I think the thread is very premature as a whole. Shadab as of right now is a second spinner with signs of development and a number 7 bat with signs of development.

Pandya is 5 years older, and about to enter his batting prime. He is amazing with the bat, but nonexistent with the ball.

Neither are at that stage where they can be compared as all rounders.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Shadab cannot bat like the way Pandya does even in his dreams and there is no shame in it. I see Shadab more as a bowling AR and he's a very talented leg spinner and can be ome one of the best if follows Rashid Khan's footsteps.

Pandya is just a dream of a pinch hitter. A more refined version of Razzaq

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pandya has actually won a test match in England with his bowling. Half an hour of perfect swing bowling from him turned the 5 day bake in India's favour. England had no answer to his outswingers.

 

[Waleed93]

Shadab is not even Pakistan's best all rounder. Imad is better than him.

There is absolutely no comparison between Shadab and Pandya when it comes to batting talent.

As far as the bowling is concerned, Shadab is nothing but a glorified minnow basher who has stat-padded against poor teams but has been mediocre against the big boys.

Their fielding is somewhat comparable, but Pandya is on another level as an all rounder. He is probably just behind Stokes, Shakib and Holder from the current crop.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pandya is clinical with the bat. Another level of hitter.

 

[Mamoon]

It is disrespectful for Pandya to be compared with a nothing show-off.

I bet Pandya will become a better bowler as well if he focuses on it. It is not hard to be a better bowler than Shadab especially against quality lineups.

Shadab is nothing more than a part-timer against the best sides in the world.

 

[Saj]

No comparison yet.

Pandya is on a different level.

Move on.

 

[Mamoon]

You combine Shadab, Imad, Faheem, Iftikhar, Asif and Khushdil, and you still get a lesser cricketer than Pandya.

 

[Rana]

You combine Shadab, Imad, Faheem, Iftikhar, Asif and Khushdil, and you still get a lesser cricketer than Pandya.

Lol this is after he destroyed Daniel Sams and Andrew Tye?

 

[Muddaser]

I thought All-Rounders bat and bowl?

Pandya is on a different level if he is bowling.

Not bowling Not an All-Rounder.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol this is after he destroyed Daniel Sams and Andrew Tye?

It is not mandatory to exhibit your poor judgement in every thread. Pandya has played several knocks against good attacks (including on this tour) to showcase his unquestionable ability.

 

[MRSN]

Lol this is after he destroyed Daniel Sams and Andrew Tye?

still take a lot of skills underpressure. also played a vital knock in the ODIs and last T20. He is good.

 

[MRSN]

Shadab is nothing but a show off darter like Imad. Pakistan do not have any hitter like Pandya in our team which is such a shame.

 

[Rana]

It is not mandatory to exhibit your poor judgement in every thread. Pandya has played several knocks against good attacks (including on this tour) to showcase his unquestionable ability.

Alright. wait and see.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Shadab will end up as the more consistent batsman and a finisher like Malik while Pandya will end up like Afridi.

 

[MRSN]

Shadab will end up as the more consistent batsman and a finisher like Malik while Pandya will end up like Afridi.

Shadab was hammered by Eng batsmen like he is a club level bowler. And his batting is like a mature tailender. It's amazing how people have high expectations from mediocre players like him.

 

[Rana]

I am yet to understand, which of the two is the genuine all-rounder?

 

[Rana]

Some of the shots Pandya plays are on par with Kohli.

I think he should completely abandon his bowling and play as a batsman. Quality batsman, mediocre bowler

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you want to chat bumbreeze all the time. When did i say anything bad about Pandya?

 

[Mamoon]

Shadab will end up as the more consistent batsman and a finisher like Malik while Pandya will end up like Afridi.

Shadab’s batting is closer to Yasir Shah level than Malik level.

 

[sharmaji]

Not a fair comparison, one is a medium pacer and the other is a spinner. But if I were to compare, Batting wise, I think Pandya is better. Bowling, Shadab is better. As an allrounder, Shadab as of now, because Pandya is not bowling anymore.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you want to chat bumbreeze all the time. When did i say anything bad about Pandya?

Maybe you should ask yourself and clear the confusion in your head.

You compare his shots to Kohli then you get offended when you see me say that his batting is better than all our all-rounders combined.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Shadab’s batting is closer to Yasir Shah level than Malik level.

Shadab has a good head on his shoulder and is definitely our future captain. He is bound to become a better batsman.. you will see a lot of improvement in the next 2-3 years.

 

[Rana]

Maybe you should ask yourself and clear the confusion in your head.

You compare his shots to Kohli then you get offended when you see me say that his batting is better than all our all-rounders combined.

Having the potential to be like him and gassing him up as better than 4 other cricketers put in one are two different things, that too after destroying Daniel Sams and Andrew Tye. You can bounce up and down like BCCI's billo if he did the same today against Starc and Cummis but this Bhangra by you will come back to bit you in the back as it usually. You probably have more teeth marks in your backside than Pamela Anderson

 

[Mesozoic]

It's unfair on Shadab really.

Pandya already has a match winning 5-fer against England in England and a hundred against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in Test match cricket.

Shadab is a slightly better bowler in LOIs though.

As a whole, Pandya is far ahead of Shadab but latter has age on his side so you never know especially if he improves his bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

Shadab has a good head on his shoulder and is definitely our future captain. He is bound to become a better batsman.. you will see a lot of improvement in the next 2-3 years.

If Shadab is our future captain than Pakistan cricket is in greater trouble than I think.

 

[Mamoon]

Having the potential to be like him and gassing him up as better than 4 other cricketers put in one are two different things, that too after destroying Daniel Sams and Andrew Tye. You can bounce up and down like BCCI's billo if he did the same today against Starc and Cummis but this Bhangra by you will come back to bit you in the back as it usually. You probably have more teeth marks in your backside than Pamela Anderson

I am afraid you are crying and venting your frustrating for no reason. Pandya has already played several knocks against good attacks that demonstrate his ability.

He scored 93 on a terrible batting wicket while his team was in trouble against an attack of Steyn, Philander, Rabada and Morkel.

Bear in mind it was the most bowling-friendly series in history where every single wicket in every single innings fell, something that has never happened before or after.

That innings alone is worth more than what Shadab can manage in his entire career and that innings alone is all the evidence anyone needs over Pandya’s ability to deliver against quality attacks.

I don’t even need to mention any other innings including his performance in the current ODI series against some excellent bowlers.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Hardik vs Shadab in my opinion is tilted in favor of Hardik. But not by much.

Don't let Hardik's recent form disguise his overall lack of impact so far. However, his recent innings signal a welcome change in trajectory for him and I for one am happy for him.

Both players are monstrously talented with considerable upward stretch- but are only just discovering their strengths. They can be whatever they want to be.

The race begins now.

 

[KoyoAli]

You combine Shadab, Imad, Faheem, Iftikhar, Asif and Khushdil, and you still get a lesser cricketer than Pandya.

Alright, let's not get too emotional now. Pandya is obviously playing much better right now and is a generally better batsman than Shadab, of what we have seen. But these hyperbolic statements dont amounts to much.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The amount of Pyjama League matches Mr Pandya Ji is playing these days is one of the reason for him not bowling regularly these days. You can't call someone an allrounder on the basis of few part time bowling spells. With the addition of 2 more teams in IPL expect Mr Pandya Ji to stay away from bowling in international matches. Shadab is 5 years younger than him. May be compare Pandya with someone like Jason Holder.

 

[Rana]

I am afraid you are crying and venting your frustrating for no reason. Pandya has already played several knocks against good attacks that demonstrate his ability.

He scored 93 on a terrible batting wicket while his team was in trouble against an attack of Steyn, Philander, Rabada and Morkel.

Bear in mind it was the most bowling-friendly series in history where every single wicket in every single innings fell, something that has never happened before or after.

That innings alone is worth more than what Shadab can manage in his entire career and that innings alone is all the evidence anyone needs over Pandya’s ability to deliver against quality attacks.

I don’t even need to mention any other innings including his performance in the current ODI series against some excellent bowlers.

Yeah and who has ever denied his ability in the first place? The point is that you are going overboard with this celebration of his innings that too after he murdered two very average bowlers. You doing the same like your enemies on this forum would after he does something like this the way you have mentioned that he has the ability to do would make sense.

But thats fine, you have been wounded and abused enough for being loosely cavalier in the past. Enjoy this moment because you can bet your house the vultures will come for you and Pandya in the future.

 

[Finisher]

I am afraid you are crying and venting your frustrating for no reason. Pandya has already played several knocks against good attacks that demonstrate his ability.

He scored 93 on a terrible batting wicket while his team was in trouble against an attack of Steyn, Philander, Rabada and Morkel.

Bear in mind it was the most bowling-friendly series in history where every single wicket in every single innings fell, something that has never happened before or after.

That innings alone is worth more than what Shadab can manage in his entire career and that innings alone is all the evidence anyone needs over Pandya’s ability to deliver against quality attacks.

I don’t even need to mention any other innings including his performance in the current ODI series against some excellent bowlers.

The innings where he had 3 lives?

 

[Titan24]

At the moment in LOI cricket Pandya’s power hitting and overall batting is far ahead. In terms of bowling Shadab has been better and with Pandya not bowling its not even comparable as of now. In test cricket growth of both has been somewhat similar till now (Other than century of Pandya). Pandya’s injury really halted his progress.

 

[PakPremi]

Pandya is great pinch hitter, and Shadab has shown great potential in 4 disciplines, batting, bowling, fielding and captaincy.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah and who has ever denied his ability in the first place? The point is that you are going overboard with this celebration of his innings that too after he murdered two very average bowlers. You doing the same like your enemies on this forum would after he does something like this the way you have mentioned that he has the ability to do would make sense.

But thats fine, you have been wounded and abused enough for being loosely cavalier in the past. Enjoy this moment because you can bet your house the vultures will come for you and Pandya in the future.

Yes, just like you wrote down the names of the people (my name was there too) who said that Naseem will flop in the England series. I wonder what did you do with that list?

 

[Mamoon]

The innings where he had 3 lives?

When you play in the most bowling-friendly series in history of cricket against a world class attack, missed chances are irrelevant.

Even Bradman wouldn’t have scored runs in those conditions against that attack without multiple lives.

That series also cemented Kohli’s stature as one of the top 5 GOAT batsman. He top scored with 286 runs in 3 Tests at an average of 47. He was also the one centurion in the series.

Next best batsman was de Villiers with 211 runs, and he faced a weaker attack. The gulf between the two batsmen was obvious.

That series answered any doubts anyone ever had regarding Kohli’s ability to handle different bowlers and conditions from different eras.

Furthermore, Steve Smith, the best Test batsman of this generation, failed against the same bowlers in easier conditions only a month later. The same series where his team had to use sandpaper to get assistance from the pitch.

If any series could capture the true essence of Kohli’s greatness, it was that series. And if ant innings could capture the true essence of Pandya’s remarkable ability, it is that 93 in the first Test.

 

[Rana]

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Yes, just like you wrote down the names of the people (my name was there too) who said that Naseem will flop in the England series. I wonder what did you do with that list?

I was wrong Mamoon, happy now? I was expecting Waqar Younis to do enough work with Naseem because of his action and how English tracks have traditionally supported our seamers for him to deliver. It was a let down.

I have no issues admitting I was wrong, but you will go to any lengths to cover up your gaffs. Anyways, today is your day. Go hard against the people who have riled you up, only for them to come back 10 times harder when your Bongis backfire

 

[Mamoon]

I was wrong Mamoon, happy now? I was expecting Waqar Younis to do enough work with Naseem because of his action and how English tracks have traditionally supported our seamers for him to deliver. It was a let down.

I have no issues admitting I was wrong, but you will go to any lengths to cover up your gaffs. Anyways, today is your day. Go hard against the people who have riled you up, only for them to come back 10 times harder when your Bongis backfire

It is not about who is right and who is wrong. It is not a competition. No one can be right or wrong all the time.

But anyone who doubts Pandya’s ability is undoubtedly wrong, and those who are/were sitting on the fence and waiting for him to prove himself against good attacks first were/are also wrong because (a) he has done that and (b) he will continue to do so in the future unless he suffers from a career-ending injury.

 

[Finisher]

When you play in the most bowling-friendly series in history of cricket against a world class attack, missed chances are irrelevant.

Even Bradman wouldn’t have scored runs in those conditions against that attack without multiple lives.

That series also cemented Kohli’s stature as one of the top 5 GOAT batsman. He top scored with 286 runs in 3 Tests at an average of 47. He was also the one centurion in the series.

Next best batsman was de Villiers with 211 runs, and he faced a weaker attack. The gulf between the two batsmen was obvious.

That series answered any doubts anyone ever had regarding Kohli’s ability to handle different bowlers and conditions from different eras.

Furthermore, Steve Smith, the best Test batsman of this generation, failed against the same bowlers in easier conditions only a month later. The same series where his team had to use sandpaper to get assistance from the pitch.

If any series could capture the true essence of Kohli’s greatness, it was that series. And if ant innings could capture the true essence of Pandya’s remarkable ability, it is that 93 in the first Test.

Too much hyperbole

What did he do in the other five innings?
These are his scores

15 6 4 1 0


Very Bradmanesque

 

[sharmaji]

How is Shadab's power hitting? I have only watched him bat well in tests, and he looked a decent no 7. How is he in ODIs and T20s?

I think Hassan Ali is more in the mould of Pandya when it comes to power hitting in T20s.

 

[tyron_woodley]

When you play in the most bowling-friendly series in history of cricket against a world class attack, missed chances are irrelevant.

Even Bradman wouldn’t have scored runs in those conditions against that attack without multiple lives.

That series also cemented Kohli’s stature as one of the top 5 GOAT batsman. He top scored with 286 runs in 3 Tests at an average of 47. He was also the one centurion in the series.

Next best batsman was de Villiers with 211 runs, and he faced a weaker attack. The gulf between the two batsmen was obvious.

That series answered any doubts anyone ever had regarding Kohli’s ability to handle different bowlers and conditions from different eras.

Furthermore, Steve Smith, the best Test batsman of this generation, failed against the same bowlers in easier conditions only a month later. The same series where his team had to use sandpaper to get assistance from the pitch.

If any series could capture the true essence of Kohli’s greatness, it was that series. And if ant innings could capture the true essence of Pandya’s remarkable ability, it is that 93 in the first Test.

ab absolutely did not face a weaker attack lol. apart from that i agree. bumrah shami and bhuvi is a phenomenal test attack. one of the best in the world easily. Maybe at the time bumrah was still a bit raw as it was his first series. However, AB faced an elite world class attack and did well. had ishant played as well it would have been even harder for south africa.

india, australia and england have the best attacks for all conditions. In that series toss made the difference btw.

kohli's performance in that series was outstanding and it cemented his legacy as one of the best ever. i doubt even smith would have survived there.

in saying that smith is a better player of spin than kohli imo.

 

[Mamoon]

Too much hyperbole

What did he do in the other five innings?
These are his scores

15 6 4 1 0


Very Bradmanesque

Most batsman in the world would produce such scores over the course of a series in those conditions against that attack, but few would be able to score 93.

 

[Mamoon]

ab absolutely did not face a weaker attack lol. apart from that i agree. bumrah shami and bhuvi is a phenomenal test attack. one of the best in the world easily. Maybe at the time bumrah was still a bit raw as it was his first series. However, AB faced an elite world class attack and did well. had ishant played as well it would have been even harder for south africa.

india, australia and england have the best attacks for all conditions. In that series toss made the difference btw.

kohli's performance in that series was outstanding and it cemented his legacy as one of the best ever. i doubt even smith would have survived there.

in saying that smith is a better player of spin than kohli imo.

India’s attack was not weak but it was weaker than South Africa’s. Still Kohli scored 286 while de Villiers scored 211.

In my opinion, if Kohli faced Indian attack he would have scored 310+ while de Villiers would have scored 170-180 facing South African attack.

 

[Mesozoic]

How is Shadab's power hitting? I have only watched him bat well in tests, and he looked a decent no 7. How is he in ODIs and T20s?

I think Hassan Ali is more in the mould of Pandya when it comes to power hitting in T20s.

Nowhere near Pandya level. Looks like a tailender when he is slogging.

But he has a tighter technique than Pandya which may make him a better Test bat in the future.

 

[PakPremi]

How is Shadab's power hitting? I have only watched him bat well in tests, and he looked a decent no 7. How is he in ODIs and T20s?

I think Hassan Ali is more in the mould of Pandya when it comes to power hitting in T20s.

He has recently developed power hitting and played some good knocks in PSL, but his power hitting as yet is not in the class of Pandya. Hasan Ali was also good but he has been injured for vwey long time to play for Pakistan.

 

[King_Kohli]

Not even 50% Pandya's hitting capability.

 

[sharmaji]

Got it, Thanks. I look forward to watch him bat in the NZ tour.

Nowhere near Pandya level. Looks like a tailender when he is slogging.

But he has a tighter technique than Pandya which may make him a better Test bat in the future.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India’s attack was not weak but it was weaker than South Africa’s. Still Kohli scored 286 while de Villiers scored 211.

In my opinion, if Kohli faced Indian attack he would have scored 310+ while de Villiers would have scored 170-180 facing South African attack.

are you talking about south african conditions? you might want to check the bowling averages of indian bowlers in that series then.

kohli would not have scored that much vs bumrah shami and ishant plus bhuvi. ishant dint even play in that series. i seriously doubt rabada, philander, steyn (past his prime) and morkel is a better attack than india's 2018 attack in any condition apart from south african conditions. Even there it is close.

 

[sharmaji]

Great, given he is a VC in the T20s, Shadab had to improve his power hitting, I guess.

And Hasan Ali if/when he gets back into the team, better keep his batting skill and power in tact.

He has recently developed power hitting and played some good knocks in PSL, but his power hitting as yet is not in the class of Pandya. Hasan Ali was also good but he has been injured for vwey long time to play for Pakistan.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India’s attack was not weak but it was weaker than South Africa’s. Still Kohli scored 286 while de Villiers scored 211.

In my opinion, if Kohli faced Indian attack he would have scored 310+ while de Villiers would have scored 170-180 facing South African attack.

besides if india batted first, game would have been easily won by the indian bowlers in the first 2 matches. Saffers had the advantage of batting in batting friendlier conditions compared to india in the first 2 games.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Lol this is after he destroyed Daniel Sams and Andrew Tye?

Andre Rye is a very difficult bowler to dominate in T20s. He's record is quite exceptional in all leagues.

 

[Ab Fan]

It's unfair on Shadab really.

Pandya already has a match winning 5-fer against England in England and a hundred against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in Test match cricket.

Shadab is a slightly better bowler in LOIs though.

As a whole, Pandya is far ahead of Shadab but latter has age on his side so you never know especially if he improves his bowling.

Shadab is underrated by some knowledgeable Pakistani posters here. He is a very good player but Pandya obviously is a very special player.

 

[Ab Fan]

are you talking about south african conditions? you might want to check the bowling averages of indian bowlers in that series then.

kohli would not have scored that much vs bumrah shami and ishant plus bhuvi. ishant dint even play in that series. i seriously doubt rabada, philander, steyn (past his prime) and morkel is a better attack than india's 2018 attack in any condition apart from south african conditions. Even there it is close.

AB is freak man, no comparison. He was best batsman on rank turners in 2015 tour to India also. He just doesn't boost enough hundreds on flat wickets. Imagine if he got to flay Prasad, Kuruville and Srinath on SC pattas in late 90s like Jayasuriya did.

 

[Rana]

Andre Rye is a very difficult bowler to dominate in T20s. He's record is quite exceptional in all leagues.

Well from what I saw today, he was extremely predictable and his field setting wasn’t matching the line he wanted to bowl 95% of his deliveries. It became blatantly obvious that he was just going to bowl outside the 5th/6th stump line every delivery. His 3rd man was inside the circle and he should have had him him on the boundary. I guess that happens in cricket so it’s ok, but still I would expect a player of Pandya’s ability to play an innings like this against this kind of bowling attack. I just wouldn’t use it as a means to really grind an axe and win one over his critics, unless those critics really have poor standards for him

 

[Saurav]

Shadab is bowler who can bat. More comparable to Jadeja

Pandya makes it as a batsman in T20.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Well from what I saw today, he was extremely predictable and his field setting wasn’t matching the line he wanted to bowl 95% of his deliveries. It became blatantly obvious that he was just going to bowl outside the 5th/6th stump line every delivery. His 3rd man was inside the circle and he should have had him him on the boundary. I guess that happens in cricket so it’s ok, but still I would expect a player of Pandya’s ability to play an innings like this against this kind of bowling attack. I just wouldn’t use it as a means to really grind an axe and win one over his critics, unless those critics really have poor standards for him

Pandya's real test is to prove he can not just explode in the end overs but can also be expected to come in early in the match and help build a big score. As far as explosiveness is concerned, he's proven he can smash the best bowlers in the world spin or pace.

 

[Markhor]

Shadab has an average and SR of 25/68 in ODIs and 13/128 after 43 matches apiece.

This is what we should be doing bhangra over ?

 

[tyron_woodley]

AB is freak man, no comparison. He was best batsman on rank turners in 2015 tour to India also. He just doesn't boost enough hundreds on flat wickets. Imagine if he got to flay Prasad, Kuruville and Srinath on SC pattas in late 90s like Jayasuriya did.

thats not the point.
indian bowling attack is easily one of the best in the world and AB did well to get to 211 on those pitches. indian bowling attack is better than saffers in most conditions. indian attack and aussie would be the best followed by saffers and england.
rabada morkel philander ngidi isnt better than india's

 

[PakPremi]

Shadab has an average and SR of 25/68 in ODIs and 13/128 after 43 matches apiece.

This is what we should be doing bhangra over ?

No one is doing Bhangra he is a very useful player for Pakistan who often delivers for Pakistan mostly in bowling and occasionally in batting. His batting is improving and if given opportunity in high enough order will help improve his batting stats.

 

[Ab Fan]

thats not the point.
indian bowling attack is easily one of the best in the world and AB did well to get to 211 on those pitches. indian bowling attack is better than saffers in most conditions. indian attack and aussie would be the best followed by saffers and england.
rabada morkel philander ngidi isnt better than india's

I agree. Spot on. That Indian attack was very high calibre and except AB, others looked clueless.

 

[Ab Fan]

No one is doing Bhangra he is a very useful player for Pakistan who often delivers for Pakistan mostly in bowling and occasionally in batting. His batting is improving and if given opportunity in high enough order will help improve his batting stats.

Shadab is a good player and deserves more respect from Pakistani fans.

 

[Local.Dada]

Let me put the question this way, will Shadab make it to the Indian team or Pandya make it to the Pakistan team? Think rationally and you have the answer

No disrespect to Shadab though, good utility cricketer but not even in the same league as pandya the LOI cricketer.

 

[Firebat]

Shadab is a good young player and can develop into a fantastic all rounder for us, but come on. Pandya is far ahead of him at this moment in time.

 

[Finisher]

Most batsman in the world would produce such scores over the course of a series in those conditions against that attack, but few would be able to score 93.

Not really, Hardik Finished the series with 119 runs from 6 Innings, averaged 19 with the bat

3 Wickets at 54 in the "most bowler friendly series ever". Not the numbers you expect from the Indian Ben Stokes.

I would say Hardik was one of the reasons for India losing that series

B.kumar played two matches, Finished with a batting average of over 30 and bowling average of 20......

 

[Local.Dada]

Not really, Hardik Finished the series with 119 runs from 6 Innings, averaged 19 with the bat

3 Wickets at 54 in the "most bowler friendly series ever". Not the numbers you expect from the Indian Ben Stokes.

I would say Hardik was one of the reasons for India losing that series

B.kumar played two matches, Finished with a batting average of over 30 and bowling average of 20......

You are nitpicking and arguing just for the sake of it lol.

Hardik the LOI player is in a league of his own right now even without bowling, if he bowls that would put him in a different league.

There is one thing arguing and producing points like a lawyer to hang on you your view and there is another aspect, when you think logically.

Can you imagine if Pakistan finds a hitter like Pandya, there is a thread asking if Asif Ali is like Butler on this very forum or hoping for Faheem Ashraf to fill that role, and you are picking holes in some random stats from Pandya lol

 

[Muddaser]

You are nitpicking and arguing just for the sake of it lol.

Hardik the LOI player is in a league of his own right now even without bowling, if he bowls that would put him in a different league.

There is one thing arguing and producing points like a lawyer to hang on you your view and there is another aspect, when you think logically.

Can you imagine if Pakistan finds a hitter like Pandya, there is a thread asking if Asif Ali is like Butler on this very forum or hoping for Faheem Ashraf to fill that role, and you are picking holes in some random stats from Pandya lol

Well the discussion is about All-rounders so Pandya not bowling makes this discussion void.

League of his own? He averages 34 in ODIs. 18 in T20.

Give it a rest.

 

[PakPremi]

Let me put the question this way, will Shadab make it to the Indian team or Pandya make it to the Pakistan team? Think rationally and you have the answer

No disrespect to Shadab though, good utility cricketer but not even in the same league as pandya the LOI cricketer.

He is better than Chahal, and even Kuldeep on current form for T20s and can also bat very well. He can also be selected ahead of Washington. So yes he can easily make into India team. His bowling in T20s would also be better than Jadega but batting similar atm.

 

[Local.Dada]

He is better than Chahal, and even Kuldeep on current form for T20s and can also bat very well. He can also be selected ahead of Washington. So yes he can easily make into India team. His bowling in T20s would also be better than Jadega but batting similar atm.

Shadab has 59 wickets in ODis and Chahal has 92 wickets and 2 fifers in ODis one of then against Aus in Aus and has performed both home and away. Shadab has no fifers in ODis or t20s and Chahal and Kuldeep both have one each against England too I believe.

Sure Shadab is a better fielder and batsman than Chahal or Kuldeep absolutely.

Chahal is way ahead as a bowler and so is Kuldeep, also India has no dearth of batsmen so Shadab’s utility is no big deal but we have better bowlers than him.

Jadeja the LOI player I would have almost agreed with you but this new version of Jadeja 2.0 since WC is something else, the way he smacked Starc and Hazelwood don’t think Shadab has played an innings like that yet. Fielding I heard Shadab is the best in Pakistan but Jadeja is the best in the world. Tests it’s even a joke to put both in the same sentence.

I am not going to be unreasonable here but sure Shadab might be be a fringe player at best in Indian team.

Comparing him with sundar who is a 20 year old who is still being groomed lol.

On the other hand don’t think Pakistan has a player like Pandya right now and they would love to have a player like him.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shadab Khan vs Rashid Khan is a better comparison. Same age and same type of bowlers.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shadab has 59 wickets in ODis and Chahal has 92 wickets and 2 fifers in ODis one of then against Aus in Aus and has performed both home and away. Shadab has no fifers in ODis or t20s and Chahal and Kuldeep both have one each against England too I believe.

Sure Shadab is a better fielder and batsman than Chahal or Kuldeep absolutely.

Chahal is way ahead as a bowler and so is Kuldeep, also India has no dearth of batsmen so Shadab’s utility is no big deal but we have better bowlers than him.

Jadeja the LOI player I would have almost agreed with you but this new version of Jadeja 2.0 since WC is something else, the way he smacked Starc and Hazelwood don’t think Shadab has played an innings like that yet. Fielding I heard Shadab is the best in Pakistan but Jadeja is the best in the world. Tests it’s even a joke to put both in the same sentence.

I am not going to be unreasonable here but sure Shadab might be be a fringe player at best in Indian team.

Comparing him with sundar who is a 20 year old who is still being groomed lol.

On the other hand don’t think Pakistan has a player like Pandya right now and they would love to have a player like him.

Shadab is 22 but he can't be compared with a 20 year old Sundar because he is still being groomed. On the other Pandya is 27 but people are comparing him with Shadab who is 5 years younger than him. What do you guys eat before posting here?

 

[PakPremi]

Shadab is 22 but he can't be compared with a 20 year old Sundar because he is still being groomed. On the other Pandya is 27 but people are comparing him with Shadab who is 5 years younger than him. What do you guys eat before posting here?

Exactly. Chahal is also quite bit older than Shadab. Chahal and Kuldeep have been quite ordinary and so has Jadega's a bowling. Also I am talking about T20s.

 

[Rajdeep]

Shadab Khan vs Rashid Khan is a better comparison. Same age and same type of bowlers.

The only similarity between them is same surname and both being leg spinner. As a cricketer, Rashid Khan is an ATG bowler in T20s and perhaps the best spinner in the world now in that format. Shadab Khan is way behind and not even in the same league.

 

[PakPremi]

Shadab has 59 wickets in ODis and Chahal has 92 wickets and 2 fifers in ODis one of then against Aus in Aus and has performed both home and away. Shadab has no fifers in ODis or t20s and Chahal and Kuldeep both have one each against England too I believe.

Sure Shadab is a better fielder and batsman than Chahal or Kuldeep absolutely.

Chahal is way ahead as a bowler and so is Kuldeep, also India has no dearth of batsmen so Shadab’s utility is no big deal but we have better bowlers than him.

Jadeja the LOI player I would have almost agreed with you but this new version of Jadeja 2.0 since WC is something else, the way he smacked Starc and Hazelwood don’t think Shadab has played an innings like that yet. Fielding I heard Shadab is the best in Pakistan but Jadeja is the best in the world. Tests it’s even a joke to put both in the same sentence.

I am not going to be unreasonable here but sure Shadab might be be a fringe player at best in Indian team.

Comparing him with sundar who is a 20 year old who is still being groomed lol.

On the other hand don’t think Pakistan has a player like Pandya right now and they would love to have a player like him.

Talking about T20s Shadab can easily replace Chahal, Sundar, Jadeja, Kuldeep. He certainly can match their bowling and match Jadeja batting.

 

[hitthestump]

Ouch! This thread did not age well!