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Shadab Khan versus Hardik Pandya : Battle of the All-rounders

Hardik is better batsman & fielder and overall more impactful player.

In what world is Hardik the better fielder?


I'd say Shadab is better in both bowling and fielding.

BUT

Hardik's batting alone makes him more impactful in a t20 game.

We'll have to see how their careers progress from here on though.
 
Shadab doesn't get cheap wickets though. And is a pretty good fielder just like Jadeja. Pandya goes missing in important games especially when it comes to big tournaments. This comparison is a lot closer than what people think here. :inti
 
Good thread. Shadab is a wonderful wonderful cricketer just like Pandya.
 
I think this is quite a good comparison thread. It's fair to say that at the moment Shadab is the better bowler and Hardik's definitely the better batsman. Shadab is improving with the bat and Hardik also seems to have increased his pace and found a way to take wickets. This will be a recurring thread in the next few years.
 
Shadab doesn't get cheap wickets though. And is a pretty good fielder just like Jadeja. Pandya goes missing in important games especially when it comes to big tournaments. This comparison is a lot closer than what people think here. :inti

Yes you are right as Shadab can't get cheap wicket like Pandya who get most of Pakistan wickets when we play against them.
 
Scored 52 from 22 and took wickets of Bavuma and Markram in one over to win a high pressure match against in form South Africa. This is called a true all round performance. :inti
 
Fast bowling all rounder should not be compared with a spinner who can just hold the bat a bit.

The game that mattered, Pandys scored 40 runs and stiched together that infamous partnership with Virat. Also got 3 wickets and broke the back of Pakistan with pace. Shadab on the other hand scored just 5 runs with 0 wickets.
 
Fast bowling all rounder should not be compared with a spinner who can just hold the bat a bit.

The game that mattered, Pandys scored 40 runs and stiched together that infamous partnership with Virat. Also got 3 wickets and broke the back of Pakistan with pace. Shadab on the other hand scored just 5 runs with 0 wickets.
Has been a pretty average world cup for Pandya so far. Kohli won that match for India. And good to see you rating performances in the greatest rivalry of all time. Even a 40(37) looks good to you now. :inti
 
Has been a pretty average world cup for Pandya so far. Kohli won that match for India. And good to see you rating performances in the greatest rivalry of all time. Even a 40(37) looks good to you now. :inti

India - Pakistan match was the most crucial in the tournament and he delivered in that game that mattered most. Pandya aling with Kohli stiched together that 100 runs partnership. With his support Kohli win't have won the game on his own.

Pakistan is out of the tournament and playing like nothing to lose. What is the point of performing in games like this? It is akin to KL Rahuls performance against Namibia and Scotland last WT20 when we were out. He failed when it matterd and Pandya shine in that game.
 
Has been a pretty average world cup for Pandya so far. Kohli won that match for India. And good to see you rating performances in the greatest rivalry of all time. Even a 40(37) looks good to you now. :inti

India's second best bowler in this tournament. That must be humiliating to hear for you, my dear friend :91: :inti
 
Pandya bowling is okay. His batting is poor. Shadab really stepped up big time today with bat and ball. Those 2 wickets came at a very very crucial time. If Markram had stayed after rain break SA would have hade some advantage.
 
Scored 52 from 22 and took wickets of Bavuma and Markram in one over to win a high pressure match against in form South Africa. This is called a true all round performance. :inti
Indeed. Pandya so far has been mostly show off and very less substance.

I know Shadab too has not been as consistent as he should have been but Pandya is worse off in this regard.
 
Would love to see Shadab in Indian XI in place imposters like Axar, Chahal & Ashwin.
 
Any of Shadab, Hasaranga or Rashid would do instead of Axar, Chahal, Ashwin or Jadeja. All these Indian onea are fake all rounders in 20-20 cricket.
 
India - Pakistan match was the most crucial in the tournament and he delivered in that game that mattered most. Pandya aling with Kohli stiched together that 100 runs partnership. With his support Kohli win't have won the game on his own.

Pakistan is out of the tournament and playing like nothing to lose. What is the point of performing in games like this? It is akin to KL Rahuls performance against Namibia and Scotland last WT20 when we were out. He failed when it matterd and Pandya shine in that game.

Lol what? Pakistan is still in the tournament. They have a 20% chance of going through. And you didn't apply this 'had nothing to lose' logic to Pandya's inning against Pakistan in CT final? :inti
 
India's second best bowler in this tournament. That must be humiliating to hear for you, my dear friend :91: :inti

Being India's second best bowler in this tournament means nothing lol. Where does he stand in the tournament as a whole? And this is desperation at its best when you have nothing to say about his batting in crucial games. Must be pretty humiliating to talk about his bowling when its his batting which was hyped by guys like you. :91:

Although I still think he is a good package to have in the team. :inti
 
<B>Being India's second best bowler in this tournament means nothing lol</B>. Where does he stand in the tournament as a whole? And this is desperation at its best when you have nothing to say about his batting in crucial games. Must be pretty humiliating to talk about his bowling when its his batting which was hyped by guys like you. :91:

Although I still think he is a good package to have in the team. :inti


LMAO..how do you come up with gems like this? :)))

How come it means nothing lol? So, according to you if Stokes becomes England's second best batsman in a tournament then it would mean nothing lol?
 
LMAO..how do you come up with gems like this? :)))

How come it means nothing lol? So, according to you if Stokes becomes England's second best batsman in a tournament then it would mean nothing lol?

We are talking about a tournament as a whole. You had to put a filter like India's second best bowler in the tournament to justify the hype here. You guys firstly didn't rate indian bowling yourself and now Pandya being second best bowler in the Indian line up means a lot to you? :)))

Why do you guys keep changing your opinions like a chameleon? :inti
 
Shadab is at number 2 in leading wicket takers in this tournament where as some fans are happy because Pandya is the second best bowler from India. :inti
 
India - Pakistan match was the most crucial in the tournament and he delivered in that game that mattered most. Pandya aling with Kohli stiched together that 100 runs partnership. With his support Kohli win't have won the game on his own.

Pakistan is out of the tournament and playing like nothing to lose. What is the point of performing in games like this? It is akin to KL Rahuls performance against Namibia and Scotland last WT20 when we were out. He failed when it matterd and Pandya shine in that game.

Lol what? Pakistan is still in the tournament. They have a 20% chance of going through. And you didn't apply this 'had nothing to lose' logic to Pandya's inning against Pakistan in CT final? :inti

What did I say? Pakistan had a 20% chance to qualify and they transformed into 100%, thanks to that inning from Shadab. Now will you rate that inning? :91: :inti
 
How good has Shadab been - in both WorldT20s? He has improved beyond all recognition. Delivered with the ball throughout the last tournament including in the knockout game.

It is his time to take the game by the scruff of the neck.
 
Why? That was an assessment of that time. It's not the fault of people that Shadab has heavily regressed and cannot land two balls in the same area
Why? That was an assessment of that time. It's not the fault of people that Shadab has heavily regressed and cannot land two balls in the same area

He never could, especially in the longer formats. This "decline" is only accurate in T20 cricket.

Was always mediocre/rubbish in ODIs.
 
Shadab used to be much better than Hardik but he lost his form.

Hardik wins now I guess.
 
At no point in their respective careers was Shadab better than Pandya. Pakistan haven’t had an equivalent to Pandya since Imran Khan’s retirement.

He is better than both Razzaq and Mahmood.
So now are you back on India's train? Or are you waiting for Ba/riz to come back? Since your prediction for Pakistan being favourites in CT fell flat
 
Pathetic judgement of ability.

absolute clown level judgement. Every single assertion is wrong. Shadab is full of useless wickets against b, c teams whereas Panday has performed in big tournament finals...

Well it's par for the course for @Bhaag Viru Bhaag isn't it? :inti

Wow, it took you over two years to respond? At this rate, should I start digging up three-year-old posts from any topic just to prove I was right? Desperation at its peak. :misbah :inti
 
Wow, it took you over two years to respond? At this rate, should I start digging up three-year-old posts from any topic just to prove I was right? Desperation at its peak. :misbah :inti

Please feel free to..

But you won't find such braindead lame posts devoid of any logic of reason made by any of us , no matter how much you dig.

Making biased emotional observations is not everyone's cup of tea. :inti
 
Please feel free to..

But you won't find such braindead lame posts devoid of any logic of reason made by any of us , no matter how much you dig.

Making biased emotional observations is not everyone's cup of tea. :inti
Everyone forms their opinions based on stats and performance at the time. No one is sitting here predicting what will happen in 2028, it's just common sense. The fact that you and other wannabes had to wait over two years to reply to my post says a lot about your desperation. :rabada2

There are plenty of posts from back then where people were hyping up Pant in LOIs, while I was pointing out that he didn't belong there, especially in T20s and that was based on his strike rate, stats and irresponsible batting at that time. I also said KL Rahul should take up keeping to improve his batting, just like Dravid did but you don't see me running around claiming victory three years later. Oh, and let's not forget my posts about Pandya in Tests… a format he quite literally ran away from. :inti
 
Everyone forms their opinions based on stats and performance at the time. No one is sitting here predicting what will happen in 2028, it's just common sense. The fact that you and other wannabes had to wait over two years to reply to my post says a lot about your desperation. :rabada2

There are plenty of posts from back then where people were hyping up Pant in LOIs, while I was pointing out that he didn't belong there, especially in T20s and that was based on his strike rate, stats and irresponsible batting at that time. I also said KL Rahul should take up keeping to improve his batting, just like Dravid did but you don't see me running around claiming victory three years later. Oh, and let's not forget my posts about Pandya in Tests… a format he quite literally ran away from. :inti

Ooga booga boo...

Everyone here knows why you hate Pandya and that is because of the way he smashes a certain team whenever he comes across them.
 
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Ooga booga boo...

Everyone here knows why you hate Pandya and that is because of the way he smashes a certain team whenever he comes across them.

I don't hate Pandya. I criticized him based on his performances, and the fact that I have stopped doing so is proof that he has improved significantly. Criticism isn't hate, hate is when you start abusing a player, like some Indian fans did with Pandya not too long ago. And guess what? I even called out those fans for their abuse. :rabada2
 
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For what it's worth Shadab was a quite decent utility cricketer till 2022 and was instrumental in the two runs in 2021 and 2022. Decent lower order hitter, decent spinner, gun fielder. His bowling has completely gone off now though which seems to be a recurring issue with Pak players.
 
Pandya has some special qualities which make him a highly valuable team member.

1) His six hitting ability - Everyone knows that. He’s a gifted six hitter. A elite. Pacer, spinner, anyone any surface Pandya can hit a six at any point almost at will. No ground is big enough. No bowler is tricky enough for him.

2) Doesn’t need to feel himself in. He comes ready to hit a six from ball 1. That’s another unique ability of his. There are many talented six hitters in the game but not everyone is as ready from ball 1 as Pandya. Maxwell, Miller who can hit sixes whole day generally need an over or so to feel themselves in before they can unleash. Pandya comes locked in from ball 1.

3) The attitude and aura. Dare i say he walks with Viv Richards level self belief even if he’s not 1/10th the player. Many people call it arrogance and hate him for that. But you need that as an international athlete playing these high voltage games on a regular basis. His self belief is incredible.
 
Pandya has some special qualities which make him a highly valuable team member.

1) His six hitting ability - Everyone knows that. He’s a gifted six hitter. A elite. Pacer, spinner, anyone any surface Pandya can hit a six at any point almost at will. No ground is big enough. No bowler is tricky enough for him.

2) Doesn’t need to feel himself in. He comes ready to hit a six from ball 1. That’s another unique ability of his. There are many talented six hitters in the game but not everyone is as ready from ball 1 as Pandya. Maxwell, Miller who can hit sixes whole day generally need an over or so to feel themselves in before they can unleash. Pandya comes locked in from ball 1.

3) The attitude and aura. Dare i say he walks with Viv Richards level self belief even if he’s not 1/10th the player. Many people call it arrogance and hate him for that. But you need that as an international athlete playing these high voltage games on a regular basis. His self belief is incredible.
Also solid middle overs pacer.
 
Pandya has so far been a valuable LOI cricketer for us. Not as much as his talent warrants, but still valuable. One big reason why his batting average suffers is because he comes lower down the order, and his job is to fire all cylinders from the first ball. Unfortunately, he has never been able to convince me in Tests.​
 
Also solid middle overs pacer.

Nothing special about it however, very hittable medium pace bowler most of the times but due to his attitude he’s able to hold his nerves during crucial overs like in World T20 final, against Bangladesh in Quarterfinal 2016. He’s a natural out swing bowler who bowled a match winning spell in England in a test match to win us the game. But we don’t play there often
 
Pandya has so far been a valuable LOI cricketer for us. Not as much as his talent warrants, but still valuable. One big reason why his batting average suffers is because he comes lower down the order, and his job is to fire all cylinders from the first ball. Unfortunately, he has never been able to convince me in Tests.​
He isn't a test cricketer that's why.

Medium pacers who bowl accurate line and lengths can work in odi and t20 cause batters have to attack them, hence chances of wickets are high.

His pace wouldn't bother anyone in tests. The likes of Steve smith would have a field day with him. I haven't heard of any full time medium pacer succeeding in test cricket. Mcgrath is an exception but no one can bowl that deadly accurate 3rd offstump line 24/7 exception mcgrath.

And in terms of batting, he isn't the type to bat long which is a requirement in test cricket.

He however is one of the best allrounders in whiteball I've seen. Solid gem for India and arguably their most important cricketer 2nd only to Bumrah.
 
So now are you back on India's train? Or are you waiting for Ba/riz to come back? Since your prediction for Pakistan being favourites in CT fell flat
I don’t have a problem with Indian players. There are a lot of Indian players that I have great admiration for, and Pandya is one of them. At times, I feel he is under appreciated even by Indian fans.

My problem was/is with Indian fans who get little too arrogant and start exaggerating the success of their team in addition to openly disrespecting Pakistan as a nation on a Pakistani forum which should not be facilitated.

As far as the CT is concerned, I felt Pakistan were terribly unlucky mainly with the Fakhar Zaman injury. It completely jolted Pakistan’s plans and they didn’t have enough time to mentally and tactically recover from that.

The CT is a brutal format where one defeat means you are hanging on for dear life and two defeats means you are gone. Pakistan simply didn’t have enough time to regroup.

I do feel sorry for PCB for the way the CT panned out. A lot of thought process was put into assembling a competitive ODI team and but unforeseen circumstances ruined it all. It just wasn’t mean to be.

Holistically, if you look at all three formats, Pakistan is currently best equipped to be competitive in ODIs provided that all players are available for selection. They just don’t have the resources for Test and T20I cricket at the moment.
 
I don’t have a problem with Indian players. There are a lot of Indian players that I have great admiration for, and Pandya is one of them. At times, I feel he is under appreciated even by Indian fans.

My problem was/is with Indian fans who get little too arrogant and start exaggerating the success of their team in addition to openly disrespecting Pakistan as a nation on a Pakistani forum which should not be facilitated.

As far as the CT is concerned, I felt Pakistan were terribly unlucky mainly with the Fakhar Zaman injury. It completely jolted Pakistan’s plans and they didn’t have enough time to mentally and tactically recover from that.

The CT is a brutal format where one defeat means you are hanging on for dear life and two defeats means you are gone. Pakistan simply didn’t have enough time to regroup.

I do feel sorry for PCB for the way the CT panned out. A lot of thought process was put into assembling a competitive ODI team and but unforeseen circumstances ruined it all. It just wasn’t mean to be.

Holistically, if you look at all three formats, Pakistan is currently best equipped to be competitive in ODIs provided that all players are available for selection. They just don’t have the resources for Test and T20I cricket at the moment.
And what is peak Pakistan ? What's the playing 11?

This is India's playing 11 atm

1) Rohit Sharma
2) Shubman Gill
3) Virat kohli
4) Sheryas Iyer
5) Axar Patel
6) KL Rahul
7) Pandya
8) Jadeja
9) Kuldeep
10) Varun
11) Shami

Add in Bumrah and Jaiswal and you have a team that can compete with 1996 Australia and would only lose to classic wi from 70 and 80s and classic aus from 2000

You would literally need a hypothetical atg Pakistan with saeed Anwar, Yousaf, Inzimam, imran Khan, Wasim akram and waqar to logically compete with this version of India?

So i don't see how Pakistan got unlucky.

Even Australia at absolute full strength would destroy this version of Pakistan.

Peak current Pakistan would be

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saim Ayub
3) Babar Azam
4) Rizwan
5) Agha
6) Saud/Kamran
7) Tayyab/Niazi
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Rauf
11) Abrar
12) Sufiyan
13) Waseem jnr
14) Akif Javed

^^ This is the best possible playing 15 available from our odi stocks atm.

Not only did aqib choose horrible players in husnain, Faheem and Khushdil, but you didn't even comment on it, instead you still argued Pakistan were favourites?

Anyway even peak Pakistan is entirely dependent on Fakhar and saim and is woefully outmatched by India and NZ that played CT let alone NZ, India, Australia at absolute peak.

At best the strongest team they'd beat is Sa since they already white washed them and probably Australia that played CT.

Aus at peak, and the NZ + India that played in ct would smoke Pakistan black and blue.
 
He isn't a test cricketer that's why.

Medium pacers who bowl accurate line and lengths can work in odi and t20 cause batters have to attack them, hence chances of wickets are high.

His pace wouldn't bother anyone in tests. The likes of Steve smith would have a field day with him. I haven't heard of any full time medium pacer succeeding in test cricket. Mcgrath is an exception but no one can bowl that deadly accurate 3rd offstump line 24/7 exception mcgrath.

And in terms of batting, he isn't the type to bat long which is a requirement in test cricket.

He however is one of the best allrounders in whiteball I've seen. Solid gem for India and arguably their most important cricketer 2nd only to Bumrah.
Tbh he was good in red ball in his short career.

Had a match winning 5fer in England in 2018. Also had a great rear guard partnership in SA 2018 vs Steyn, Morkel, Philander, Rabada (only time all 4 played together).

Decent 4th pacer. Obviously not a lead pacer but that's not what all rounders do. Even Shardul Thakur who is inferior to him helped India win in Aus and draw in England in 21 with decent performances with bat/ball.
 
Tbh he was good in red ball in his short career.

Had a match winning 5fer in England in 2018. Also had a great rear guard partnership in SA 2018 vs Steyn, Morkel, Philander, Rabada (only time all 4 played together).

Decent 4th pacer. Obviously not a lead pacer but that's not what all rounders do. Even Shardul Thakur who is inferior to him helped India win in Aus and draw in England in 21 with decent performances with bat/ball.
Yes but then the issue is, if he's your 4th option then he needs to be a proper test batter which he isn't.

In odi cricket he's the perfect no 6/7. A solid finisher and lower order player.

In test cricket and no 6/no 7 is a varied and difficult position.

Sometimes you have to bat a good 50 to 100 overs if a collapse occurs, and most of the time you have to maybe bat with the tail?

Sure sometimes the top 5 can easily fire and your no 7/6 can provide you amazing support like R ashwin, Jadeja and many others have done in the past but it doesn't always happen.

Pandya isn't the type of batsmen to last for more then 40-60 deliveries in any format. It's why he's the perfect no 6-7 in odi and t20 but just not suited for test cricket.
 
Yes but then the issue is, if he's your 4th option then he needs to be a proper test batter which he isn't.

In odi cricket he's the perfect no 6/7. A solid finisher and lower order player.

In test cricket and no 6/no 7 is a varied and difficult position.

Sometimes you have to bat a good 50 to 100 overs if a collapse occurs, and most of the time you have to maybe bat with the tail?

Sure sometimes the top 5 can easily fire and your no 7/6 can provide you amazing support like R ashwin, Jadeja and many others have done in the past but it doesn't always happen.

Pandya isn't the type of batsmen to last for more then 40-60 deliveries in any format. It's why he's the perfect no 6-7 in odi and t20 but just not suited for test cricket.
I'd say he is a good no 7/8 in tests provided there is another all rounder at 7/8.

He does average 30+ in tests in batting which isn't bad.
 
Its an incorrect comparison in so many ways.

One is a genuine all rounder who happens to be the 3rd best batsman in his team and a very handy 1st change seamer. Shadab on the other hand is playing as what? Most of us are confused including Pak team management themselves. The batsman Shadab I saw in last Asia cup looked attrocious with bat and a genuine tailender. And the bowler Shadab was treated as a part-timer by his captain by giving just 11 overs in the test match against Eng just as a breather to Yasir Shah.

Hardik Pandya would cake walk into Pakistan team as 2nd best batsman after Babar Azam and would play in all formats. Shadab would never make into Indian team considering Chahal & Kuldeep are already superior bowlers.

Pandya's biggest enemy is he himself and his maverick personality. If he keeps his head grounded and works hard, he has the potential to become top 3 all rounders in world cricket after Stokes and Shakib. Considering he is married now and hopefully no more distractions, I expect him to fullfill his potential now.

Its no Shadab's fault but blame goes to OP for opening such weird comparison thread. Hardik Pandya and Shadab Khan has no comparison as far as cricket is concerned as we are talking about 2 cricketers with massive gulf in class and pedigree.

Pandya is 2-3 times the cricketer in all facets of the game comapred to Shadab. So in any format and in any ground, Pandya is a better player. However, I tend to agree with the utility factor considering Shadab plays for an weaker team. His 30 - 35 runs batting at no.7 is crucial for Pakistan in test cricket....same thing that we expect from Bhuvi Kumar or R.Ashwin.

However, the thread is who is better cricketer among the two and there is no doubt Pandya is way better than Shadab.

Yours truly was right then and he is right now. What world realize later, Rajdeep sense it years ago.

Another living proof - When Rajdeep speaks, you just listen and move on.
 
Yours truly was right then and he is right now. What world realize later, Rajdeep sense it years ago.

Another living proof - When Rajdeep speaks, you just listen and move on.
Nope, you are just a glory hunter who only shows up when things are going well. You completely abandoned Pandya when Indian fans were turning on him and even abusing his family not too long ago. And now, digging up five-year-old posts to prove yourself right? That is some next-level desperation. :yk :inti
 
Nope, you are just a glory hunter who only shows up when things are going well. You completely abandoned Pandya when Indian fans were turning on him and even abusing his family not too long ago. And now, digging up five-year-old posts to prove yourself right? That is some next-level desperation. :yk :inti
Digging up old post? I didnt even remember this thread exist. Since @RyanRyan10 bumped this thread and its on first page, I was remembering what I wrote 4 years ago. And like in most cases, I was right.

I have Abandoned Pandya? When? I am always his biggest advocate even when he was unable to bowl due to back injuries. Think you are confusing Pandya with Pant as I have no love for the later's brain dead batting.
 
Why? That was an assessment of that time. It's not the fault of people that Shadab has heavily regressed and cannot land two balls in the same area
That is not true though. Most of these big statements were made after Dubai T20 game in 2021 when Pandya was nursing his back injury and unable to bowl. However, Shadab was poor even before that. Remember 2019 WC and he was serving full tosses to Rohit Sharma and how Sharma was depositing in the stand every time? In the same game Pandya gave man of the match performance with his bowling.
 
Hardik Pandya wins trophies for his country..

Shadab Khan is still "learning" how to spin the ball.. Pathetic cricketer...

I know this is an old thread from a different era (a time of hope), but anyone now thinking these two cricketers are comparable is delusional...
 
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