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Shaheen Shah Afridi advised period of rest after injury in the ICC T20 World Cup final

TheSultan said:
He only gave away 8 runs cos his reputation preceded him. Rohit was very cautious about the ball coming in. They weren’t good balls, but it was a mental block of the Indian order from last year. So in a sense playing him did have an initial advantage. It allowed 2 harmless overs to go for very few runs.

But as the tournament progresses, the chances of him getting further injured increase as well as batsmen getting braver against him.

As I said in another thread, I never doubt his attitude, commitment and ability but I really don’t think it’s worth the risk. Someone needs to sit down with him and tell him to sit this one out.
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Pitch wasn’t swinging in 2nd innings like first…and reputation matters…it’s called the mental challenge…you want to count how many wicket warne got on long hops, full tosses?
 
Lumbered, not fully fit. Some loopy full tosses to start where his reputation and conditions saved us.

When opposition teams played Imran in ‘92, despite the injections, they took him seriously - sometimes too much - enough to play the reputation. Happens. Good signs but Shaheen hampering his own career by rushing into it.
 
msb314 said:
Another mentally weak and rubbish bowler just like Haris
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Are you actually for real?

I'm not entirely surprised by this insight. You worship Misbah and he also once said the same thing during the 2019 WC before he was made to eat his words when Shaheen turned out to be Pakistan's best bowler in the tournament.

Haris Rauf was exceptional today. He just couldn't get the better of an ATG at his very best. It was a special innings by Kohli. No other batsman could've manufactured the six that he hit straight over Haris' head.

Kohli, isn't just an ATG, but perhaps the greatest ever limited overs batsman to have played the game.

I'd be interested to know what Haris could've done better in that penultimate over as you seem to know so much about "mentally weak and rubbish bowlers".
 
He's fully fit. Just needs some rhythm which he will only get by playing. Those calling for him to be benched are stupid and have no basic understanding of the game. Although, it must be said that it was his rubbish over that was the turning point of the game.
 
Shaheen Afridi went wicketless against India, giving away 34 runs, raising concerns about his fitness. Former captain Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Misbah-ul-Haq were worried about his fitness in the remaining matches in the T20 world cup.

“We know what Shaheen Afridi delivers but he wasn’t really there. I was there in New Zealand [Pakistan played a series in New Zealand just before the world cup] also and spoke to the medical panel and Babar Azam and I asked that question: You are taking him to the world cup and why isn’t he here? He should have played in New Zealand,” Waqar said on A Sports. “He has just played 6 overs in the game-times in warm-ups. He didn’t play before that. You can fit in nets but in a crunch game, you need match practice. It looked like he wasn’t there yet.”

The co-panellist Shoaib Malik talked about the seriousness of knee injury and how it affected Shaheen’s pace.

“When he is fit, he bowls 145 kmph. Dealing with a 145kmph inswinger is difficult for the batsmen. But today’s speeds were like 133, 134 kmph. It’s either as Wasim Akram said it’s due to lack of match practice or he isn’t fully fit,” Shoaib Malik said. “He wasn’t running the way he used to run before the injury. There was a slight limp. If the ball wasn’t landing where he wanted, it can be considered lack of match practice but for the speed to fall down, I think its fitness issue. You are then holding yourself back a bit. Knee injury is of course a bad injury.”

Misbah-ul-Haq took the discussion forward to say how a bowler with knee injury is affected during match time.

“I have captained bowlers who have come back from a knee injury, like Sohail Tanvir, Umar Gul. The second spell becomes always a problem. You finish a spell, then stand field in the outfield. When you bowl first spell, you are fresher and come after warming up. But in second spell, it’s in the back of your mind. You don’t push yourself too much or stiffness sets in. His pace in the third and fourth over was less. Shaheen usually bowls 143-145 kmph even at the death. Shaheen is an asset for us, the knee injury is a serious issue.”

“I haven’t had a knee injury but as Misbah says a knee injury leaves a mental doubt for a while in the back of mind,” Wasim Akram added.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...kram-and-misbah-share-their-thoughts-8227108/
 
Shaheen has some genetic muscle issues and it takes time to get his pace back whenever he has a long layoff from cricket , nothing to do with his knee injury.
 
Shaheen practicing ahead of the Zimbabwe game - Should Pakistan rest him?

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MenInG said:
Shaheen practicing ahead of the Zimbabwe game - Should Pakistan rest him?

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You can tell from his follow through he isn’t fit

He will cost you the game with a bad over. Leave him out
 
On one hand I'm thinking rest him till Thursday vs SAF or rest 1 or 2 games and on the other hand I'm thinking if he plays games he'll improve..maybe he's lacking match fitness
 
ataullah said:
On one hand I'm thinking rest him till Thursday vs SAF or rest 1 or 2 games and on the other hand I'm thinking if he plays games he'll improve..maybe he's lacking match fitness
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He’s lacking fitness

Not match fitness
 
Need clarity on if the issue is match fitness or physical fitness. If its the latter, he needs to sit out. If its the former, continue to play him and hope that he gets better every game.

From what I saw in the India game, it looks like his knee isn't 100% - looked more of a physical issue than match readiness. Concerned that he might have been rushed back
 
Snowflake said:
Need clarity on if the issue is match fitness or physical fitness. If its the latter, he needs to sit out. If its the former, continue to play him and hope that he gets better every game.

From what I saw in the India game, it looks like his knee isn't 100% - looked more of a physical issue than match readiness. Concerned that he might have been rushed back
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Obviously rushed back... if Ramiz himself says he's 90% fit but raring to go then you can already tell that he's not fully physically fit and most likely not 90% but they're telling themselves that so that they can bridge that other 10% with game time. If he's eager to go again then it's on Saqlain for not holding back. This is PCB we're talking about, they're not like other sophisticated boards and let our players like Rizwan, Shadab carry niggles if they feel fine, rather than rest out of precautionary concern. Even Saqlain himself has said rest is up to the player

He looks awkward and almost like he's jogging in, off-beat landing and follow-through. Likely his knee is contributing to that and isn't fully there. Why risk him with more and more game time to get his rhythm is a knee that may very well not be 100% perfect yet and risk making him 80% of the bowler he was? His pace was down to 130s against India, in the warmup too. No swing on offer, landing looked like a jog. State of the PCB to use a World Cup in historically one of the hardest conditions

I'd personally sit him out and make him gain rhythm after the WC. Even if he misses out on a few England tests, it's okay. His long-term fitness is more important than this and he can at least be back for the NZ ones. The overenthusiasm emphasized under Saqlain's reign already cost him a needless knee injury when lanky pacers on the boundary line should seldom give their 110% in a Test match...
 
Mohammad Amir on Shaheen Shah Afridi:

"You have to assess the situation from all four corners when you are the captain. When you found out that Shaheen was not in the rhythm to bowl his first two overs. You should have understood that he isn't fit to bowl in the death overs. Could have bowled Shaheen's two overs in the middle as he could have picked wickets.

"The way they (Indian batters) smashed sixes against Nawaz, they wouldn't have hit them against Shaheen. Had Shaheen bowled there (11th over), all you wanted was one wicket. If either Pandya or Kohli got out at that point, then you had the chance to win the game"
 
Shaheen with 130 ks is useless. He bowls 145 ks for god's sake. He is nowhere near 100 percent fit.
 
Most expensive first over from Shaheen Afridi in T20Is

14 runs vs Zimbabwe
 
World cup is not the platform to get match practise or fitness.

Seems like Shaheen the name is playing not the player.
 
Concerned said:
World cup is not the platform to get match practise or fitness.

Seems like Shaheen the name is playing not the player.
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If he gets back to 100 percent by the final it would be a decent move if he is fit and only lacking match practice
 
Shahid Afridi:

"I won't say much as there are still three games left. It's up to the captain to decided if he wants to play Shaheen or not. But if feel, if you have five bowlers, don't expect all of them to peform. Same is the case with the batters. So we want Shaheen to get back into rhythm. I think he bowled better against Zimbabwe than India. Our bowlers have to warmed up before the match. You can't go into a match thinking that I will pick up the pace after bowling two-three balls. That's not the case as batters are ready to target you," Afridi said during a discussion on TV

https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...tans-next-match-shahid-afridi-answers-3470567
 
Mohammad Amir on Shaheen Shah Afridi:

"A bowler who does not bowl for even a week regularly, loses his rhythm. Shaheen was coming back from a career-threatening knee injury, and he should not have been played. The question should have been asked from people who made him play as we can see from here that he is not completely fit"
 
MenInG said:
Mohammad Amir on Shaheen Shah Afridi:

"A bowler who does not bowl for even a week regularly, loses his rhythm. Shaheen was coming back from a career-threatening knee injury, and he should not have been played. The question should have been asked from people who made him play as we can see from here that he is not completely fit"
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Amir making sense here. Shaheen is not even 50 percent fit.He bowls like Indian trundlers pace of 132-134 ks and odd one at 137 ks.

Question should be asked to team management and the chairman for selecting an unfit pacer.

Shaheen lost both the matches in the bowling first with that 18th over and then with that 14 runs over against Zimbabwe.
 
Watch this fan video and see how much he is struggling - WHY are PCB doing this to him?

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Yk313 said:
Lumbered, not fully fit. Some loopy full tosses to start where his reputation and conditions saved us.

When opposition teams played Imran in ‘92, despite the injections, they took him seriously - sometimes too much - enough to play the reputation. Happens. Good signs but Shaheen hampering his own career by rushing into it.
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good to see your posts again. Agreed with your assessment. Indian players were playing him with way too much caution earlier on.
 
MenInG said:
Watch this fan video and see how much he is struggling - WHY are PCB doing this to him?

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This is really painful to watch.

It was sheer stupidity by PCB to have his rehab done at NCA and sending him to Netherlands. Should have been given proper medical attention when he got injured. My guess is either he was initially managed by incompetent staff or he aggravated his injury in training during his initial rehab.

Like any desperate young guy, he has done his best to get fit for wt20 but it's his supervisor's job to make him understand the adverse effects of rushing it.

PCB's medical and training personnel should be fired.

Junaid Khan, Rumman Raees and now Shaheen.
 
MenInG said:
Watch this fan video and see how much he is struggling - WHY are PCB doing this to him?

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Painful to watch this.

Makes one realise just how unfit he actually is.

Why play with his career in this way.
 
MenInG said:
Watch this fan video and see how much he is struggling - WHY are PCB doing this to him?

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Everyone’s jobs depends on:

-RizBar scoring 100-0 in 15 overs

-Shaheen picking up 2-3 wickets in his opening burst

-Asif Ali hitting 1-2 crucial sixes to seal the game

It’s either this, or you get the boot!
 
133 KPH short ball by Shaheen. He's still dangerous at this pace if he gets his lengths right but why risk him when we have options

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Mainly bowling in the mid 130s.

Around 10kph down on his normal speeds.
 
Last ball of his 4 over spell was 140kph.

But hitting 140kph at the moment is a rarity for Shaheen so far at this tournament.
 
Ravi Shastri on Shaheen Shah Afridi

“One thing is clear to me, that he is hurting. In the sense of hurting, I mean physically. I don't think he is fully fit. He has been brought back a little too early. So the expectations are a little bit too much on him. This is a World Cup. So the pressure is on him, he wants to play. The country wants him to play, and selectors want him to play. But he is gonna take it slowly. He is gonna get into the rhythm as the tournament progresses. I see him taking a big break after the tournament is over"
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Don't understand why are we playing Afridi.

We are risking him for the future
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Not like it matters that much if we keep him warm for a JAMLOI against Zimbabwe in a couple of months.

It's 4 overs, he is our premier bowler. I'm hoping the team management and doctors know more than we do about his fitness.

He could be completely match fit by the next game and these few outings would have been what he needed to get there. Who knows? But probably not anybody here.
 
I guess it's weighing up the option of did he need to play versus Netherlands against he needs overs under his belt.

But there is no question that he is not 100% match fit and for that the PCB has to be held responsible for wasting 6 weeks when he could have had some treatment.
 
His lack of performance has been one of the biggest factors in our failed campaign.
Picking a half fit player and hoping for a miracle. Parnell and ngakarva are bowling better than shaheen on helpful pitches and in a game of fine margins that has proved fatal for Pakistan.
 
PCB team Doctor Soomro about Shaheen Shah Afridi’s injuries and rehabilitation, Soomro reassured that Afridi was on the right track.

"There's medical fitness, then in matches you need to have a different form of performance attributes. From a medical point of view we were confident he was completely fit. You can see how he's improving every single game…from our point of view we are very confident with how he's going,” he explained, “In my view, the medical team, the specialists involved, have all worked really hard with him, day and night, and from a medical point of view we are confident he's back in full flow."
 
MenInG said:
PCB team Doctor Soomro about Shaheen Shah Afridi’s injuries and rehabilitation, Soomro reassured that Afridi was on the right track.

"There's medical fitness, then in matches you need to have a different form of performance attributes. From a medical point of view we were confident he was completely fit. You can see how he's improving every single game…from our point of view we are very confident with how he's going,” he explained, “In my view, the medical team, the specialists involved, have all worked really hard with him, day and night, and from a medical point of view we are confident he's back in full flow."
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Fair enough then. We should trust the professionals instead of making assumptions about things we don't know the context of.
 
Even half-fit he is our best bowler.

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Hasn’t quite gotten death bowling figured out yet but his first 2 overs were brilliant. De Kock and Rossouw were the most important wickets to get
 
Firebat said:
Even half-fit he is our best bowler.

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Both dismissals in the 134-135kph range - speed not there but still taking wickets.
 
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Gets the breakthrough with the wicket of the inform Liton Das. Not as fast as before, but still effective

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daytrader said:
Gets the breakthrough with the wicket of the inform Liton Das. Not as fast as before, but still effective

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Do you guys have any comparison of average pace this WC and last WC?
 
Ends with 4 wickets for 22 runs today. Pace was on the slower side earlier in the game but gradually bowled faster. Was hitting 140KPH regularly in the last over.
 
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Though he picked up wickets he was still bowling on the conservative side in his opening burst.

Afridi opening and bowling +140 is unplayable
 
Concerned said:
Though he picked up wickets he was still bowling on the conservative side in his opening burst.

Afridi opening and bowling +140 is unplayable
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This is what we needed. Afridi getting into fitness and becoming lethal when it mattered.

It looks like the medical staff got this one right and got Fakhar wrong. I'll take it.
 
Still not at his best , but getting his rhythm back and improving with every game .
 
Against the bigger teams, he will still struggle. Not anywhere near his best.
 
Needs his regular 140kph pace back. Hopefully he is hitting form at the right time
 
Ricky Ponting "I never had any doubt as you just know what Shaheen's capable of when he's out on the field. Even if he's not at 100 percent. If he's operating at 90 percent, he's still going to have more of an impact on games than most because of how good he is"
 
Too good for most batsmen even when half fit. Just look at the impact he had in last 3 games.

Champion bowler!
 
We shouldn't forget how well Shaheen bowled. 2-24 from 4 overs in a Semi is outstanding. He set up Pakistan's win with his bowling display.

Babar did the right thing not to bowl him at the death because that's not his speciality so good captaincy from him today.

Rizwan and Shaheen were the two stand out performers (who were well supported by Babar). Either them could've been MOTM.
 
topspin said:
We shouldn't forget how well Shaheen bowled. 2-24 from 4 overs in a Semi is outstanding. He set up Pakistan's win with his bowling display.

Babar did the right thing not to bowl him at the death because that's not his speciality so good captaincy from him today.

Rizwan and Shaheen were the two stand out performers (who were well supported by Babar). Either them could've been MOTM.
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I also think Shadab's fielding, particularly his runout was a match changing moment. It ended the power play on a high, allowed us to get 4 cheap overs of spin in and meant we got into and the wicket of Phillips.
 
Forum363 said:
I also think Shadab's fielding, particularly his runout was a match changing moment. It ended the power play on a high, allowed us to get 4 cheap overs of spin in and meant we got into and the wicket of Phillips.
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100%, he was terrific. His run out was pivotal because we've seen what the NZ openers can do. They destroyed Australia in the opening game.
 
Marooned said:
Too good for most batsmen even when half fit. Just look at the impact he had in last 3 games.

Champion bowler!
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Agreed. I'd take a half fit Shaheen over a fully fit mental midget Hasnain and fully fit Dhani (more suited to red ball).

If PCB didn't initially bungle his rehab, he would've caused more damage in this WC.
 
Although he’s improving, he is still far from fit. Don’t think much will change in the next few days.

80% back to full flow.
 
Markhor said:
Agreed. I'd take a half fit Shaheen over a fully fit mental midget Hasnain and fully fit Dhani (more suited to red ball).

If PCB didn't initially bungle his rehab, he would've caused more damage in this WC.
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Do you think he will be back to his best any time soon?

He is clearly still nowhere near his best. Last World Cup, he was swinging the ball both ways at 150 KPH in the first few overs. I recall him hitting 151 KPH as well. In the Australia game, the openers struggled to even get bat on ball. However, admittedly, he was never exceptional in the death overs.

Do you think he will ever be back to that level of bowling?
 
ExpressPacer said:
Do you think he will be back to his best any time soon?

He is clearly still nowhere near his best. Last World Cup, he was swinging the ball both ways at 150 KPH in the first few overs. I recall him hitting 151 KPH as well. In the Australia game, the openers struggled to even get bat on ball. However, admittedly, he was never exceptional in the death overs.

Do you think he will ever be back to that level of bowling?
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Shaheen typically takes time getting back in rhythm after injuries or rests.

He still looks like he's bowling within himself, but with more overs under his belt he should get back to his usual pace.
 
Tried his hardest but has to limp off in the final. Right decision for his career, but a big blow.
 
Firebat said:
Tried his hardest but has to limp off in the final. Right decision for his career, but a big blow.
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From PCB:

Shaheen Shah Afridi landed awkwardly on his right knee. Medical panel is treating him and will provide any further update in due course.
 
Any Update of his injury?
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] anyone
How serious is it? Is it this same as previous?
 
Hope it isn’t too serious. Recurring injuries are damaging for fast bowlers!
 
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