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Shaheen Shah Afridi replaces Mohammad Rizwan as Pakistan's new ODI captain

Is Shaheen Shah Afridi the right choice to lead Pakistan in ODIs?

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Rana said:
Can you stop crying about what’s happened?

Rizwan knew he was being replaced well before the Test series. It’s not like he has suddenly been told he is being replaced.
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I don't buy this. Samaa TV is propogating that he approached Mike Hesson and requested him to appoint a new captain after the CT Fiasco, if that is the case why would he not resign publically?
 
Savak said:
I don't buy this. Samaa TV is propogating that he approached Mike Hesson and requested him to appoint a new captain after the CT Fiasco, if that is the case why would he not resign publically?
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We will know the details soon enough. Here are some facts however…

10 people sat in the consultation meeting, all 10 voted against Rizwan and in favour of Shaheen as captain.

What does that suggest?
 
Rana said:
We will know the details soon enough. Here are some facts however…

10 people sat in the consultation meeting, all 10 voted against Rizwan and in favour of Shaheen as captain.

What does that suggest?
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To me, given what I have observed about a chaotic PCB over the years, all it suggests is that the same 10 people may well turn around and vote against Shaheen and again in favour of Rizwan tomorrow.
 
Rana said:
We will know the details soon enough. Here are some facts however…

10 people sat in the consultation meeting, all 10 voted against Rizwan and in favour of Shaheen as captain.

What does that suggest?
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Or maybe the meeting was a smoke screen and the decision had already been made.

Misbah is the biggest beghairat insaan you will find, on tv he talks about systems, processes, preperation and that a captain needs to be given a long run, should have a say in team selection but he has already backstabbed Mickey Arthur, Sarfaraz Ahmed and now Mohd Rizwan. On top of that he is getting Rs 5 million as a mentor from the PCB for doing nothing and isn't even willing to resign now that the system has been scrapped. This guy will do anything and everything to get a paycheque from the PCB.

Sarfaraz Ahmed on the other hand is probably bitter and upset that Rizwan took over his spot and ended his career therefore not surprised to see him settling scores by getting Rizwan axed and eventually booted out from the team.
 
shaz619 said:
Forget everything, after our diabolical home tournament with the CT which was a once in a generation opportunity, how can anybody who genuinely wishes well for Pakistan Cricket be upset with Rizwan’s sacking?

If you’re advocating for someone, then be objective with what they’ve actually achieved as a leader and what sort of long term vision / talent growth initiatives have they employed?

There are players such as Jimmy Anderson who have been asked to step aside for the long term benefit of English cricket, that’s Jimmy Anderson who earned the right to do as he pleased really, what have these blokes you worship actually done for Pakistan, it’s nothing except serious damage.
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No captain could had anything with that pathetic squad forced on to them.
 
GudduBadmash said:
Rashid gets it anyway, some very strong hints there about the removal of Rizwan, clearly religious and ethnic reasoning. Shaheen is lucky he is a Lahore Qalandar player, lives in Lahore and has connections to Shahid Afridi otherwise he would have been long scapegoated and booted out
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Can’t see much difference between Shaheen afridi and Imran khan in terms of their Lahore background although I think Imran was actually born in lahore

Hopefully Shaheen can emulate the great man
 
Personally not a fan of having a fast bowler as a captain for many reasons

I feel with shaheen or fast bowler they will take bad reviews in particular off there own bowling
Shaheen considers himself as a all arounder, granted he can hit some big shots but he is not a full on proper all arounder, feel he might just promote himself up the order when not always necessary

Him playing most of the matches and lead to injury and we would need him to avoid injuries as much as possible, speaking on injuries, i do not know if it is announced but who is the vice captain of the ODI side, in the event Shaheen gets injured or rested who is the vice captain.

ODI is long game, i do not think Shaheen is a good thinking captain, I can be wrong, but I do not think he is fit for ODI captain

Regardless, we will have to back him and hopefully he gets a proper chance, to captain the side.
 
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Rana said:
Yes, because you are dishonest

So we need proof to take you seriously. We have established you are not trustworthy with your claims but you assert them with real conviction

Where has Kirsten openly blamed Aqib for his exit??
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You sure love using the word “lying,” don’t you? You throw it around every time you reply to my posts, probably hoping it’ll somehow make your own trolling less obvious. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not working and you must be talking about yourself, probably thinking about how I exposed you recently for your nonstop trolling and made-up stories. Should I send you the links to those threads where you completely lost it and started imagining things I never even said?

And what’s this “we” nonsense? You mean you and your imaginary friends? Or that same little group of trolls who show up to echo your nonsense and think they’re being clever? Lmao.

By the way, in June, Gary was on the Wisden podcast, yes, the same one you’re pretending doesn’t exist and he said plenty. Try googling it (if that’s not too much effort for you) along with all the other clowns claiming Gary never spoke about his resignation. He made things quite clear in that interview.

The fact is, Gary resigned because Naqvi and Aaqib were busy playing politics and came across as corrupt individuals who’d go to any length to push Gary and Gillespie out of Pakistan cricket.

Anyway, no more replies from me, you keep replying to my posts and quoting me every time just to get my attention. I get it, you’re obsessed. But sorry, not feeding that anymore. Carry on with your usual nonsense.
 
PAKISTAN’S T20I SQUAD FOR THE SA AND TRI-SERIES

- Agha (c), Samad, Abrar , Babar, Faheem, Hasan Nawaz, Nawaz, Wasim Jnr, Salman Mirza, Naseem, Farhan, Saim, Shaheen, Usmam Khan & Usman Tariq.

PAKISTAN'S ODI SQUAD FOR THE SOUTH AFRICA SERIES.
Shaheen (C), Abrar, Babar, Faheem, Faisal, Fakhar, Rauf, Haseebullah, Hasan Nawaz, Talat, Nawaz, Rizwan, Wasim Jnr, Naseem Shah, Saim Ayub, Salman Ali Agha.


:kp
 
Caved12 said:
You sure love using the word “lying,” don’t you? You throw it around every time you reply to my posts, probably hoping it’ll somehow make your own trolling less obvious. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not working and you must be talking about yourself, probably thinking about how I exposed you recently for your nonstop trolling and made-up stories. Should I send you the links to those threads where you completely lost it and started imagining things I never even said?

And what’s this “we” nonsense? You mean you and your imaginary friends? Or that same little group of trolls who show up to echo your nonsense and think they’re being clever? Lmao.

By the way, in June, Gary was on the Wisden podcast, yes, the same one you’re pretending doesn’t exist and he said plenty. Try googling it (if that’s not too much effort for you) along with all the other clowns claiming Gary never spoke about his resignation. He made things quite clear in that interview.

The fact is, Gary resigned because Naqvi and Aaqib were busy playing politics and came across as corrupt individuals who’d go to any length to push Gary and Gillespie out of Pakistan cricket.

Anyway, no more replies from me, you keep replying to my posts and quoting me every time just to get my attention. I get it, you’re obsessed. But sorry, not feeding that anymore. Carry on with your usual nonsense.
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www.wisden.com

Gary Kirsten: I Realised Quickly I Wasn't Going To Have Much Influence As Pakistan Coach | Cricket News Today

Gary Kirsten, the former South Africa cricketer and renowned coach, revealed how his lack of authority as Pakistan’s white-ball coach forced him to step down. Read more.
www.wisden.com www.wisden.com

This article? Where is Aqib Javed mentioned?
 
Rizwan not back in T20 and Babar is makes no sense,Rizwan has played T20 cricket recently too while Babar has not, also Rizwan is the far superior T20 batsman

Looks like Sarfaraz Ahmed doing what he did best when he was captain
 
I don't mind Shaheen taking over captaincy. My issue is this will make him play all games. Let's not forget he only lost his old touch because of the fact that he was run into the ground by Babar, and made to play every match whether it was with Zimbabwe, Nepal, NZ C, etc. Now that they see a little fire return in him, they want to get rid of it again. This the old and classic Pakistani habit of abusing a light till it's fused. Shaheen as captain will not voluntarily sit out of any games which could be detrimental to his career.
 
Rumours are that during the recent conference regarding Gaza, Netanyahu said to Trump that no peace is possible unless Rizwan is removed, Trump communicated this to Asim Munir. Palestinian Authority keen to secure peace deal also request Asim Munir to accept this demand.
Snowflake said:
Oh god! Rashid Latif continues his quest to be the king of all conspiracy theorists.

The guy just has to be different. He can’t help it
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Rana said:
www.wisden.com

Gary Kirsten: I Realised Quickly I Wasn't Going To Have Much Influence As Pakistan Coach | Cricket News Today

Gary Kirsten, the former South Africa cricketer and renowned coach, revealed how his lack of authority as Pakistan’s white-ball coach forced him to step down. Read more.
www.wisden.com www.wisden.com

This article? Where is Aqib Javed mentioned?
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Lmao, once again, I set a trap and you walked right into it. Thanks for finding the article, good job.

This is exactly what I said, “Both Gillespie and Gary have openly talked about this and exposed Naqvi and Aaqib for interfering.”

You jumped in, highlighted “Gary” from my post and replied with “Provide quotes, you’re making things up again, you have a habit of lying.” Then, when that didn’t work, you started your usual mental gymnastics, twisting and turning the things around. It was honestly hilarious to watch.

After that, you suddenly shifted your focus to Aaqib, saying where has Gary openly named him, as if that somehow changes the entire point. Gary didn’t need to take names when his resignation itself was a direct protest against PCB’s interference and corruption. He literally said he was removed from selection and that once that happened, it became very difficult for him to have any sort of positive influence on the group. That’s him clearly saying he wasn’t being allowed to do his job. Anyone with common sense can connect the dots and know who was behind those decisions, and it was Naqvi and Aaqib.

So no, he didn’t have to spell it out for you. The message was loud and clear. The system was broken, the agenda was real, and the people behind it are known to everyone who follows Pakistan cricket closely. If you still can’t figure that out, then you really might be the most clueless person on this forum.

Everyone has their own way of calling things out. Gillespie went direct and took Aaqib’s name, while Gary stayed professional but said enough to expose the same nonsense. The difference is only in approach, not in what they were pointing out.

And about Aaqib, this guy’s corruption record speaks for itself. He’s everywhere, moving from one role to another like PCB is his family business. Chief selector one day, coach the next, then pitch curator, and now back as selector again. PCB has always had corruption, but Naqvi and Aaqib have taken it to another level and are doing it shamelessly.

The funniest part is, if Gary was your favourite, you’d probably have made ten threads by now crying justice for Gary.
 
Caved12 said:
Lmao, once again, I set a trap and you walked right into it. Thanks for finding the article, good job
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You laid out a trap but it doesn’t back your claim of Gary openly criticising Aqib??
 
Rana said:
You laid out a trap but it doesn’t back your claim of Gary openly criticising Aqib??
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Lmao, I never said Gary openly criticized Aaqib. Try reading properly for once, I literally copied and pasted that part in my last post. I always knew you were a cricket illiterate, but now it’s clear you can’t even read English. This is beyond hilarious.
 
Caved12 said:
“Both Gillespie and Gary have openly talked about this and exposed Naqvi and Aaqib for interfering
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Gillespie did openly talk about Aqib

Where has Kirsten???? What has Kirsten said in the Wisden article that openly exposes Aqib?? Do you even know the timeline of events and how things unfolded?
 
Caved12 said:
Lmao, once again, I set a trap and you walked right into it. Thanks for finding the article, good job.

This is exactly what I said, “Both Gillespie and Gary have openly talked about this and exposed Naqvi and Aaqib for interfering.”

You jumped in, highlighted “Gary” from my post and replied with “Provide quotes, you’re making things up again, you have a habit of lying.” Then, when that didn’t work, you started your usual mental gymnastics, twisting and turning the things around. It was honestly hilarious to watch.

After that, you suddenly shifted your focus to Aaqib, saying where has Gary openly named him, as if that somehow changes the entire point. Gary didn’t need to take names when his resignation itself was a direct protest against PCB’s interference and corruption. He literally said he was removed from selection and that once that happened, it became very difficult for him to have any sort of positive influence on the group. That’s him clearly saying he wasn’t being allowed to do his job. Anyone with common sense can connect the dots and know who was behind those decisions, and it was Naqvi and Aaqib.

So no, he didn’t have to spell it out for you. The message was loud and clear. The system was broken, the agenda was real, and the people behind it are known to everyone who follows Pakistan cricket closely. If you still can’t figure that out, then you really might be the most clueless person on this forum.

Everyone has their own way of calling things out. Gillespie went direct and took Aaqib’s name, while Gary stayed professional but said enough to expose the same nonsense. The difference is only in approach, not in what they were pointing out.

And about Aaqib, this guy’s corruption record speaks for itself. He’s everywhere, moving from one role to another like PCB is his family business. Chief selector one day, coach the next, then pitch curator, and now back as selector again. PCB has always had corruption, but Naqvi and Aaqib have taken it to another level and are doing it shamelessly.

The funniest part is, if Gary was your favourite, you’d probably have made ten threads by now crying justice for Gary.
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I agree with you.

Clearly Aqib is the head of the snake here.
 
GudduBadmash said:
Rizwan not back in T20 and Babar is makes no sense,Rizwan has played T20 cricket recently too while Babar has not, also Rizwan is the far superior T20 batsman

Looks like Sarfaraz Ahmed doing what he did best when he was captain
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Safi is absolutely doing the right thing.

This is called retribution for ruining not just the twilight of our greatest captain and wicketkeeper but also destroying the careers of many young and promising players.

Rizwan’s career is done and hopefully Sadi the manager can bring Pakistan cricket to the level it was at when he was captain
 
Rana said:
Gillespie did openly talk about Aqib

Where has Kirsten???? What has Kirsten said in the Wisden article that openly exposes Aqib?? Do you even know the timeline of events and how things unfolded?
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I do, but clearly you don’t, and it’s pointless to keep going in circles over this. You can carry on with your usual nonsense and whatever mental gymnastics you want to add. I’ve already covered everything from all angles and explained it in detail.
 
Caved12 said:
I’ve already covered everything from all angles and explained it in detail.
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No sorry you have not. This stems from your usual bias and baseless assumptions because of your undying support for Rizwan and anything he is associated with. You have basically used a vague article and vague statements by Gary Kirsten to assert that he has “openly talked about Aqib Javed”. That’s a load of horse…. It’s a false statement!
 
Rana said:
No sorry you have not. This stems from your usual bias and baseless assumptions because of your undying support for Rizwan and anything he is associated with. You have basically used a vague article and vague statements by Gary Kirsten to assert that he has “openly talked about Aqib Javed”. That’s a load of horse…. It’s a false statement!
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Lmao, let me break this down for you. Here’s what I said: “Both Gillespie and Gary have openly talked about this and exposed Naqvi and Aaqib for interfering.”

They talked about why they resigned — which, in turn, exposed Aaqib and Naqvi, since both were in power and made all those decisions that stripped them of authority and left them with no say in selection matters or the playing XI on match day. How you want to twist this is up to you. You’re just making a fool of yourself at this point, desperate to have the last word. Go ahead, take it.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Your problem is that you focus too much on individuals, while turning a blind eye to the toxic organization that empowers and enables them.
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I don’t think the organisation is to be blamed here. It’s the toxic, selfish individuals who have blackmailed and held them to ransom. You conveniently forgot that a few of these players refused to represent Pakistan in 2023 World Cup unless ridiculous contracts are not drawn up for them.

Why do you think that the PCB is the only guilty party here and the players are all saints?
 
Rana said:
I don’t think the organisation is to be blamed here. It’s the toxic, selfish individuals who have blackmailed and held them to ransom. You conveniently forgot that a few of these players refused to represent Pakistan in 2023 World Cup unless ridiculous contracts are not drawn up for them.

Why do you think that the PCB is the only guilty party here and the players are all saints?
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No, but ultimately PCB is the problem.

They are the ones who build these players up as these so-called superstars and then when it's convenient for them, throw them aside for the shiny new toy. All while sowing divisions and distrust among players by pitting them against each other, mismanaging their injuries, behaving as unprofessionally as possible at every turn, constantly changing their “long-term plans” every few months, letting politics and personal agendas dictate selection, dropping players overnight with zero communication, making players foot the bill for injury rehab, cycling through coaches and captains like cheap underwear, failing to develop talent properly, planting stories in the media to cover up their own incompetence. The list goes on..

No matter how mediocre or unremarkable a player may be, ultimately, they retire or get dropped.

But the perpetually inept and eternally broken PCB lives on forever, even as it drives every aspect of this country’s cricket further into the ground.
 
Rana said:
I don’t think the organisation is to be blamed here. It’s the toxic, selfish individuals who have blackmailed and held them to ransom. You conveniently forgot that a few of these players refused to represent Pakistan in 2023 World Cup unless ridiculous contracts are not drawn up for them.

Why do you think that the PCB is the only guilty party here and the players are all saints?
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Agreed but the organisation is to blame as well.

PCB is a clown circus board. Remember its their fault for giving players so much power over them which led to them being helpless when their star players wanted to back out
 
My concern is shaeen is at the moment all format premier pacer his work load needs to be managed if you are a captain you will play all one day matches cant see him being rested for Test matches and its waste of time in t20 four overs
 
ghalib kichlu said:
So we have the son in laws/relatives of saqlain mushtaq,abdul qadir and shahid afridi
No one of them are from Karachi so that rules that out
Two of them are from KP so that’s a non issue too
All born into working class families apart from Shaheen whose brother riaz afridi played for pakistan

Not sure what classism,ethnic or other differences there are between these players
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Who is related to Abdul Qadir???
 
Shaheen shouldn't have been removed from captaincy in the first place. It is good that he is getting it back. He should get a lengthy run now.
 
sweep_shot said:
Shaheen shouldn't have been removed from captaincy in the first place. It is good that he is getting it back. He should get a lengthy run now.
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His workload is a concern. He needs a strong trust worthy wise captain because Shaheen can't play all matches. His speed and effectiveness with the ball declines when he plays too many back to back games. He was already bowling on fumes in the second SA test because the Pakistani team management overconfidently played three spinners and did not have a back up plan in the event the South African batsmen played our spinners well. We can't keep over bowling him to the ground
 
Savak said:
His workload is a concern. He needs a strong trust worthy wise captain because Shaheen can't play all matches. His speed and effectiveness with the ball declines when he plays too many back to back games. He was already bowling on fumes in the second SA test because the Pakistani team management overconfidently played three spinners and did not have a back up plan in the event the South African batsmen played our spinners well. We can't keep over bowling him to the ground
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It's clear whatever plan happens to exist, it's all short term & temporary. Shaheen had zero reason to pay these T20's vs SA but for some reason he played two out of three. And it's because despite coaching/management wanting to rest him, they know if a series or two goes woefully wrong, they're all sacked so it's a tricky position for the coaches & management.

Shaheen spot in the T20's is secure as well. He is the first bowler you put down on the sheet whenever a big match comes so it's strange that he still pushes himself to play. He'll likely play all 6 ODI's on the trot but I hope there is enough wisdom to have him completely rested for the upcoming Tri-series.
 
Savak said:
His workload is a concern. He needs a strong trust worthy wise captain because Shaheen can't play all matches. His speed and effectiveness with the ball declines when he plays too many back to back games. He was already bowling on fumes in the second SA test because the Pakistani team management overconfidently played three spinners and did not have a back up plan in the event the South African batsmen played our spinners well. We can't keep over bowling him to the ground
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Tests need to be prioritized by SSA, Naseem, Abbas and Abrar. Particularly given the nature of the WTC cycle.

SSA need to sit out the majority of ODI’s until the end of of 2026 given that an ODI WC will not be played until 2027. He should also probably sit out T20 dead rubbers
 
msb314 said:
Tests need to be prioritized by SSA, Naseem, Abbas and Abrar. Particularly given the nature of the WTC cycle.

SSA need to sit out the majority of ODI’s until the end of of 2026 given that an ODI WC will not be played until 2027. He should also probably sit out T20 dead rubbers
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Look at how Australia handles Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins workload. These bowlers preserve themselves for test cricket, important ODIs but are rested for useless bilateral T20s.
 
Pcb haven't learnt there lesson shaheen after playing back to back 2 test was bowling mid 130s in first t20i and now they have made him odi captain which means he won.t have any rest and play all three of them .Considering his fitness won.t be surprise if gets injured again
 
I don't have confidence in this decision at all. We have seen that as a player he is volatile and prone to brain fades. He would make a better T20I captain as that throws out Agha which is a 100% success over any stick that replaces him as a batsman.
 
Savak said:
Look at how Australia handles Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins workload. These bowlers preserve themselves for test cricket, important ODIs but are rested for useless bilateral T20s.
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Bilateral T20’s are not “useless” in this context given a WorldT20 is to be played next year…

But I agree that bilateral ODI’s need to be skipped for now
 
Who is the vice captain of the ODI side, Shaheen needs to manage his workload, cant be playing every single game or series for that matter. Would be interesting to see who takes over the side when or if Afridi is rested.
 
Has been made captain in the wrong format.... It is not gonna be easy to play 6 ODIs in the span of 10 odd days...
 
Oh god . That was some horrible communication skills even left behind Babar Azam . He gets asked a genuine question and he moves away by saying “ we will do better next time” 😂. This is gonna get embarrassing in future . Seems Afridi can only talk when team wins .
 
Asif321 said:
Oh god . That was some horrible communication skills even left behind Babar Azam . He gets asked a genuine question and he moves away by saying “ we will do better next time” 😂. This is gonna get embarrassing in future . Seems Afridi can only talk when team wins .
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He certainly needs to work on his interviews and stay calm and think a bit before he speaks. It doesn't look nice when a captain is keep on repeating the same sentences in most of his interviews.
 
Still not sold on sSA as captain , he needs time and specially support from batsmen to make runa
 
Shaheen Shah Afridi, in his first series as ODI skipper, lifts the trophy with his team defeating SA 2-1 in a three-match series
 
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