Shikhar Dhawan: Performance Watch

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The difference is our these types of debutant have a very short product life cycle ala Nazir......hameed lets see how along can Dhawan carry on @ Test Level...last time he played the ODi's vs WI was a flop

Perhaps the difference is that In Indian cricket a bad debutant or new player is NOT labelled based on his bad debut and pushed aside forever and if he has potential he can be given a chance to come back again to prove his worth whereas in Pak that is NOT the case and we keep seeing players like Umar Amin not make a come back after one bad tour (Eng 2010) unless you have connections or captain/someone likes you (even if you are non performer).
 
Re: Would someone like Shikhar Dhawan ever Impress Misbah and get to Open for Pak?

The difference is our these types of debutant have a very short product life cycle ala Nazir......hameed lets see how along can Dhawan carry on @ Test Level...last time he played the ODi's vs WI was a flop

Nazir And Hameed both have fc averages below 40. Dhawan is 45+. FC averages may not be of paramount importance but they do matter in terms of showing a dude's technique atleast at home.
 
Doesn't make any sense. Even in India it took him 8 years to get his first test. If anything, Pakistan would have picked him in their test side 8 years ago and by now he would have played 50+ tests probably. lol
 
ans is no.
reason is he is a hack.

Was Inzamam a hack as well, test failure in Aus, RSA. England wasn't a big deal until recently. Agarkar and Kumble have test hundreds in England. Sharandeep Singh was hard to get out in West Indies. :inzi
 
Doesn't make any sense. Even in India it took him 8 years to get his first test. If anything, Pakistan would have picked him in their test side 8 years ago and by now he would have played 50+ tests probably. lol

8 years because India had Virander and that other Dehli guy opening for them for the most part of 8 years, then Rahul then Sachin and VVS. How can anyone break into that kind of top order?
 
33.1, 1 Ton and 1 Half Century, Just Like Tendulkar who scored 1 Ton and 1 Half Century on his first Tour of SA and averaged 33.6 Too.

lol thats cheeky. Tendulkar had done far too much before it. Was a domestic phenomena, proved himself in Pakistan, smacked Qadir out of the park for fun, hit hundred in Aus, Eng as a teenager. Shafiq's a poor China made phone compared to iPhonesque Tendulkar. :))
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I remember watching him demolish bowler after bowler during an under 19 world cup any years ago and thought the kid had some talent but between then and now his career just seem to stall. good to see him score so well on debut.

That was like 8 years ago, i remember all of that. Dhawan was a big deal back then, i guess Fab 5 had kept these wannabes down for too long.
 
Nope, we have the legend himself; :hafeez opening for us. The batsman refuses to move down the order even for his team mates. Therefore, how can you contemplate that he Hafeez will move for a debutant?
 
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8 years because India had Virander and that other Dehli guy opening for them for the most part of 8 years, then Rahul then Sachin and VVS. How can anyone break into that kind of top order?

That's true but thats what i am suggesting. You only need to have some very good batsmen to be to keep guys like Dhawan waiting. Pak have tried a dozen openers in a decade, Dhawan would have made it long ago over there. He's much superior to anyone you have had except may be Toffee Kumar or Butt who too weren't that great.
 
seems this maybe true! :)

Amjid Bhai, i agree Dhawan's an unproven guy for now but Ganguly wasn't that bad. His issue was poor conversion otherwise he looked just as much comfortable abroad as any of our other top players. In fact, his test record in RSA, England is quite good.
 
That's true but thats what i am suggesting. You only need to have some very good batsmen to be to keep guys like Dhawan waiting. Pak have tried a dozen openers in a decade, Dhawan would have made it long ago over there. He's much superior to anyone you have had except may be Toffee Kumar or Butt who too weren't that great.

Seriously, the guy was one of the worst players to ever play for Pakistan, even before the match-fixing saga.
 
Wow....just got up and I am shocked....

Got to catch the highlights...

but this guy has been talented...i remember seeing him in U19 WC ...

Dude is that Aly Khan in your avatar?

on topic - Great knock by Shikhar Dhawan. Oz in for more pain tomorrow. And to think Pujara, Kohli, Tendulkar and Dhoni are still to come :))
 
How come India keep producing batsmen like this?

I don't care even if his a ftb at least his that , compared to our nothings.
 
Originally Posted by kungfu90
Anyway whats special about . He is ordinary batsman who scored runs on flat pitches in draws.
Is Dhawan not heading into the same league?


Is Dhawan not heading into the same league?







The Kungfu90 troll never had any credibility, you are certainly losing it as well with your pathetic rants against a player of the stature of Tendulkar.

Also its bit rich coming from an Umar Akmal fanboy, they were probably right about the IQ of his fans afterall. :facepalm:
 
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Dhawan will be better served playing Steyno in the nets before going to South Africa, :D
 
Seriously, the guy was one of the worst players to ever play for Pakistan, even before the match-fixing saga.

Inconsistent but he showed glimpses of his talent every now and then. Two hundreds in Australia do tell something. In India, we would have polished him into a better scorer just like you would have turned Umesh Yadav into a beast in Pakistan. We cant train a bowler, you cant train a batsman.
 
Guy has scored fastest debut 100 - But if he was Pakistani, would he ever have been able to impress Misbah and gotten a chance to play for Pak?

A bigger question is, will our retarded standard of domestic cricket EVER produce batsmen like Dhawan or Pujara?
 
Having at least one attacking opener is a necessity these days. Can't have ultra defensive openers, good bowler will get you out eventually so you gotta make the most of the precious time spent(survived) at the crease. Also it puts the bowler in his place and may make him change his line, strategy that can turn into a lesser threat. I remember how Ian Chappell always advised India to sue VVS at #3 in stead of Dravid despite all the good things Dravid was doing. Was kinda true, things would slow down dramatically for India after Sehwag's dismissal and Dravid's stubborn nature seldom helped the cause.

Nasir Jamshed seems like a good prospect for Pak as he plays his shots. Must invest in him, but Hafeez is a BIG no. Not a top order test batsman.
 
Having at least one attacking opener is a necessity these days. Can't have ultra defensive openers, good bowler will get you out eventually so you gotta make the most of the precious time spent(survived) at the crease. Also it puts the bowler in his place and may make him change his line, strategy that can turn into a lesser threat. I remember how Ian Chappell always advised India to sue VVS at #3 in stead of Dravid despite all the good things Dravid was doing. Was kinda true, things would slow down dramatically for India after Sehwag's dismissal and Dravid's stubborn nature seldom helped the cause.

Nasir Jamshed seems like a good prospect for Pak as he plays his shots. Must invest in him, but Hafeez is a BIG no. Not a top order test batsman.
 
lol thats cheeky. Tendulkar had done far too much before it. Was a domestic phenomena, proved himself in Pakistan, smacked Qadir out of the park for fun, hit hundred in Aus, Eng as a teenager. Shafiq's a poor China made phone compared to iPhonesque Tendulkar. :))
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On the contrary people buy China phones more than iPhones.. :shafiq
 
Definitely not and that's why currently Shehzad is being wasted.

Nasir Jamshed also wouldn't be in the team if it was down to Misbah. I remember reading reports that it was Whatmore who insisted he is selected.
 
The Sunrisers are the same as Deccan Chargers aren't they?
 
Delhi has this habit of producing some fearless confident batsmen! Aggressive too... It started with Amarnath. Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan.. Unmukt is in the wings! Pretty strong order that!
 
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Definitely not and that's why currently Shehzad is being wasted.

Nasir Jamshed also wouldn't be in the team if it was down to Misbah. I remember reading reports that it was Whatmore who insisted he is selected.

This happens a lot on PP. Due to your dislike of Misbah or his captaincy (team selections etc) , everything bad that happens is because of him but everything good that happens is down to someone else.

The fact is, Misbah has played Jamshed in every match he's been in the squad apart from the recent third test.

As for Shehzad, he's not even been in any ODI squad under Misbah so I don't understand how you can blame Misbah for that. In your post you mention Nasir came in because of Whatmore, then why not Shehzad?

You can't have the cake and eat it too.
 
We are fixated on making the 3rd class bowlers as batsmen ( Malik, Afridi) and hoping these Bradman-esque batsmen will win the world cup for us.

Forget about the Malik or Afridi, there is not a single Pakistani batsman who can play shots/strokes like Dhawan at the moment.
 
Big debate on all channels basically about this huge delay in him getting this success. Was it down to his own lack of capabilities or did he get ignored for too long? I for one do believe he's been giving less opportunity. So far i have only seen him playing the dead rubber matches after we had won a series or randomly replacing an injured player in 1 or 2 games. Thats all, never had a longer run which is a pity.
 
This happens a lot on PP. Due to your dislike of Misbah or his captaincy (team selections etc) , everything bad that happens is because of him but everything good that happens is down to someone else.

The fact is, Misbah has played Jamshed in every match he's been in the squad apart from the recent third test.

As for Shehzad, he's not even been in any ODI squad under Misbah so I don't understand how you can blame Misbah for that. In your post you mention Nasir came in because of Whatmore, then why not Shehzad?

You can't have the cake and eat it too.

Jamshed HAD to play after his brilliant show in the Asia Cup. Otherwise we all know Misbah wouldn't have persisted with him. Jamshed was only brought in due to Whatmore. Misbah did not want Jamshed.

Also, Shehzad hasn't been part of any ODI squad as the captain is Misbah. Misbah is influential in selection of ODI squads and he obviously hasn't called for selection of Shehzad despite Shehzad doing well for PAK(last ODI series ton). Shehzad has scored 3 tons for PAK opening(1 in a world cup warm up) and Misbah has been in the team for each ton. He obviously knows how skilled Shehzad is yet he isn't selected. Even in the recent T20 where he scored 40 odd Misbah was obviously watching. Everyone was calling for Shehzad to be selected for the ODI's but the captain never called for it.

Its clear that since Misbah has become in charge all the aggression and flair associated with PAK cricket has left. The aggressive players e.g. Shehzad, U.Akmal & Wahab have been sidelined and treated badly.
 
We are fixated on making the 3rd class bowlers as batsmen ( Malik, Afridi) and hoping these Bradman-esque batsmen will win the world cup for us.

Forget about the Malik or Afridi, there is not a single Pakistani batsman who can play shots/strokes like Dhawan at the moment.

Agree with the first line but disagree with the second.

Dhawan is a good prospect but PAK have better batsmen then him but they aren't given a chance to blossom. U.Akmal, A.Shehzad, N.Jamshed & H.Sohail in my view are the ones who can play strokes like him.

U.Akmal needs to learn how to construct an innings and the best way he can do that is by giving him a chance up the order to shine. This doesn't happen therefore he'll continue to be the way he is(batting down the order at 6/7) in a sloggers role.
 
lol thats cheeky. Tendulkar had done far too much before it. Was a domestic phenomena, proved himself in Pakistan, smacked Qadir out of the park for fun, hit hundred in Aus, Eng as a teenager. Shafiq's a poor China made phone compared to iPhonesque Tendulkar. :))
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Yeah when has Shafiq ever played in Australia and England?
But you know what, Tendulkar at this Stage of his career hadn't played a Match Saving innings like the one played by Shafiq in Pallekele Last Year.
I never compared them both Sachin is a legend, Shafiq is a young and emerging Batsmen who hasn't even started his career but that bolded part written by you shows that you are no more than a Troll when it comes to Indian players.
 
Was Inzamam a hack as well, test failure in Aus, RSA. England wasn't a big deal until recently. Agarkar and Kumble have test hundreds in England. Sharandeep Singh was hard to get out in West Indies. :inzi

That Failure won us a Test in RSA.
One of the Two Tests that we have won in SA in the last Decade.
I wonder if you even watch Cricket or not.
 
Doesn't make any sense. Even in India it took him 8 years to get his first test. If anything, Pakistan would have picked him in their test side 8 years ago and by now he would have played 50+ tests probably. lol

Yes Of Course.
Fawad also hit a great Innings on Debut now has he played 50 Tests for Pakistan?
 
185 on debut albeit on a road wicket against mediocre bowling is a pretty decent start to a test career.
 
Jamshed HAD to play after his brilliant show in the Asia Cup. Otherwise we all know Misbah wouldn't have persisted with him. Jamshed was only brought in due to Whatmore. Misbah did not want Jamshed.

Also, Shehzad hasn't been part of any ODI squad as the captain is Misbah. Misbah is influential in selection of ODI squads and he obviously hasn't called for selection of Shehzad despite Shehzad doing well for PAK(last ODI series ton). Shehzad has scored 3 tons for PAK opening(1 in a world cup warm up) and Misbah has been in the team for each ton. He obviously knows how skilled Shehzad is yet he isn't selected. Even in the recent T20 where he scored 40 odd Misbah was obviously watching. Everyone was calling for Shehzad to be selected for the ODI's but the captain never called for it.

Its clear that since Misbah has become in charge all the aggression and flair associated with PAK cricket has left. The aggressive players e.g. Shehzad, U.Akmal & Wahab have been sidelined and treated badly.

There it is again. Jamshed can be brought in due to Whatmore but Shehzad can't? Also, all of these opinions on who Misbah wants in the squad and who he doesn't are just that...opinions. Do you have any proof?

I agree on U Akmal but not Wahab. Wahab is an erratic spraying machine who can produce great spells at times. His domestic performances have been good hence he's rightly in the squad. Atm definitely Irfan and Junaid deserve selection over him but Gul is getting close to being replaced.
 
Big debate on all channels basically about this huge delay in him getting this success. Was it down to his own lack of capabilities or did he get ignored for too long? I for one do believe he's been giving less opportunity. So far i have only seen him playing the dead rubber matches after we had won a series or randomly replacing an injured player in 1 or 2 games. Thats all, never had a longer run which is a pity.

Is this even a debate? It was obvious when India was being thrashed series after series that certain players were past it (in fact, the entire batting line-up!). Yet India kept selecting these failures (it still hasn't let them fully go).

Dhawan, Vijay and Pujara will have some testing times in the future and the big test will come against stronger bowling line-ups abroad. But is there any doubt that someone, anyone, should have replaced all of those failing Indian batsmen?

Now if you could just let go of Tendu...
 
Ok it was a road, played against probably the worst Aussie bowling line-up, but the way he played them was really impressing. That is how you treat poor bowlers, not like some of our batsmen who makes North look like a great spinner.

Let's watch his progress, seems like double ton coming tomorrow.
 
Big debate on all channels basically about this huge delay in him getting this success. Was it down to his own lack of capabilities or did he get ignored for too long? I for one do believe he's been giving less opportunity. So far i have only seen him playing the dead rubber matches after we had won a series or randomly replacing an injured player in 1 or 2 games. Thats all, never had a longer run which is a pity.

We were off by 18 months.

Dhawan messed up Windies A tour, probably why he did not break in earlier.
 
Shikhar Dhawan

Dude is that Aly Khan in your avatar?

on topic - Great knock by Shikhar Dhawan. Oz in for more pain tomorrow. And to think Pujara, Kohli, Tendulkar and Dhoni are still to come :))

Nope...Faizal Khan(nawazudhin siddique) from Gangs of Wasseypur..
 
Delhi has this habit of producing some fearless confident batsmen! Aggressive too... It started with Amarnath. Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan.. Unmukt is in the wings! Pretty strong order that!

They all have one common thing - Punjabi parents.

Wait for Mandeep and Jeevanjyot to debut.
 
Yeah when has Shafiq ever played in Australia and England?
But you know what, Tendulkar at this Stage of his career hadn't played a Match Saving innings like the one played by Shafiq in Pallekele Last Year.

This is how kids expose themselves. Tendulkar in Manchester, 1990. Check it out. Innings played there, in SCG and Perth in 1992 were FAR better than any inning played by Shafiq. Learn more about the players you're ranting against, will spare you from further embarrassment in future. :)



I never compared them both Sachin is a legend, Shafiq is a young and emerging Batsmen who hasn't even started his career but that bolded part written by you shows that you are no more than a Troll when it comes to Indian players.

You're not getting the point. Tendulkar was a SPECIAL talent even during his teenage and so far Asad bhai has shown no such sign and hence it is silly to bring Tendulkar in a debate about Dhawan-Asad. You're trying to put him over Dhawan with a 30sh average in RSA and then trying to back it up with some lies about Sachin. Get real, Tendulkar was better than Asad Shafiq when he was 14 years of age. :qadir

Don't get mad now, its a tough place. One does not simply bring the main man in the discussion for no reason.
 
Is this even a debate? It was obvious when India was being thrashed series after series that certain players were past it (in fact, the entire batting line-up!). Yet India kept selecting these failures (it still hasn't let them fully go).

Dhawan, Vijay and Pujara will have some testing times in the future and the big test will come against stronger bowling line-ups abroad. But is there any doubt that someone, anyone, should have replaced all of those failing Indian batsmen?

Now if you could just let go of Tendu...

I was expecting something from Tendu in the mid of the series, probably a retirement by the end of the series but doesn't seem like its coming. But then again, Tendu's made it clear he doesn't seek any grand farewell by silently opting out of ODIs. So you never know. If not now then RSA tour will most certainly be his last.





Know what? Rahane and Tiwari are still waiting in line. These guys are gonna be FTG (Flat Track Gods). I would be disappointed if all of them don't end up scoring 10 tons in India with a few big double or triple hundreds.
 
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Fed up with ' but but but they will struggle away' Oh pleeeeze sheesh, we recently lost our home series, so this is very welcoming for us. People don't score fastest debut centuries every other week. Forget weeks, they don't score runs this way every other year either.
 
Enough with FLAT TRACK......

If he can score any one can score..no one got a substantial score in this match..give credit where's it due....He played brilliantly
 
Agree with the first line but disagree with the second.

Dhawan is a good prospect but PAK have better batsmen then him but they aren't given a chance to blossom. U.Akmal, A.Shehzad, N.Jamshed & H.Sohail in my view are the ones who can play strokes like him.

U.Akmal needs to learn how to construct an innings and the best way he can do that is by giving him a chance up the order to shine. This doesn't happen therefore he'll continue to be the way he is(batting down the order at 6/7) in a sloggers role.


The only batsman come close to the talent is Nasir Jamshed, who can play shots on merit and technically correct batsman ( relatively speaking).

Umar Akmal has issue with playing premeditated shots and will never be a good batsman.

Ahmad Shezad and Haris Sohail, too early to make any statement, but do look promising talent.
 
I remember the days when Gambhir and Dhawan were scoring heavily in domestic at the same time when they were young, Gambhir got call early, but Dhawan wasn't far behind.
 
Our management (PCB) is making big mistake here, not letting our batsman to play their natural game.

We force our batsman to play as our captain and coach wanted (this happen only in Pakistan) and for a bowler, we pick good bowler and let him bowl as he wanted. That’s why we don’t have much problem in bowling department.

India is totally opposite.
 
This is how kids expose themselves. Tendulkar in Manchester, 1990. Check it out. Innings played there, in SCG and Perth in 1992 were FAR better than any inning played by Shafiq. Learn more about the players you're ranting against, will spare you from further embarrassment in future. :)

Oh, Am i the Kid?
I knew about those innings before too, Both of the Matches were Drawn.
The First one was saved when Azharuddin hit that 179 in the first innings replying to a score of more than 500 of England.
There wasn't anything to save when Tendulkar hit that Ton in the First innings India were in a comfortable position after Shastri had hit a Double Ton.
I think you need to learn what a Match Saving Effort is cause nor do you know anything about the matches it seems you don't know anything related to cricket as well, at least that is what i looks by seeing your posts.

You're not getting the point. Tendulkar was a SPECIAL talent even during his teenage and so far Asad bhai has shown no such sign and hence it is silly to bring Tendulkar in a debate about Dhawan-Asad. You're trying to put him over Dhawan with a 30sh average in RSA and then trying to back it up with some lies about Sachin. Get real, Tendulkar was better than Asad Shafiq when he was 14 years of age. :qadir

Don't get mad now, its a tough place. One does not simply bring the main man in the discussion for no reason.

Yeah well, scoring a Ton in RSA against Steyn and Philander is no big deal especially when they are in the form of their life.
You'd rather take those sixes that Sachin hit too Qadir now wouldn't you seeing as you are such a devoted Sachin Fan.
You just keep on showing it is pointless to argue about anything with you when an Indian Player is involved because you turn into a Troll when any Indian player is involved.
 
"Dhawan's century is the fastest ever by a batsman on Test debut. Dhawan, who took 85 balls for his century surpassed Dwayne Smith, who had scored a 93-ball century against South Africa in 2003. Dhawan's strike rate (at the end of the third day) is the highest ever for a century score by a batsman on debut (completed innings only). Dhawan also surpassed Gundappa Viswanath's record for the highest individual score by an Indian batsman on Test debut. Viswanath had scored 137 against Australia in Kanpur in 1969. Dhawan needs 103 runs to go past Tip Foster's record for the highest score (287) by a batsman on debut. During the course of his knock, Dhawan also went past Gautam Gambhir's 179, which was the highest individual score in Tests in Mohali."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/625364.html
 
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Awesome stuff Shikhi boy! Best debut ever!! So proud of you. Go for a huge one tomorrow!

Viru bhai!! He may be hitting the last nails in your coffin. Vijay with back to back hundreds (hundred to be) has already cemented his slot for an year and Dhawan may already have done so and with a double tomorrow, he may be in for a long haul.
 
Yeah well, scoring a Ton in RSA against Steyn and Philander is no big deal especially when they are in the form of their life.
You'd rather take those sixes that Sachin hit too Qadir now wouldn't you seeing as you are such a devoted Sachin Fan.
You just keep on showing it is pointless to argue about anything with you when an Indian Player is involved because you turn into a Troll when any Indian player is involved.

It was a good ton, but it was on a SC type wicket. It was the only pitch where Ajmal troubled SA batsmen and SA did not have a quality spinner to match Ajmal. A ton in the first or the third test would have been far more significant and could be said to be a classic test hundred against very good bowling under difficult batting conditions.

Anyways, Tendu comparison is really silly. Tendulkar was a complete test batsman at the age of 16, when most international players were still representing their schools or clubs.
 
Saw the highlights, :kohli looked happier than Dhawan. :)) This guy is nuts, I bet he keeps the dressing room enthusiastic all the time.

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It was a good ton, but it was on a SC type wicket. It was the only pitch where Ajmal troubled SA batsmen and SA did not have a quality spinner to match Ajmal. A ton in the first or the third test would have been far more significant and could be said to be a classic test hundred against very good bowling under difficult batting conditions.

Anyways, Tendu comparison is really silly. Tendulkar was a complete test batsman at the age of 16, when most international players were still representing their schools or clubs.

The Pitch was aiding the spinners a bit.
That is the only difference there was a lot of seam movement on offer and the new ball also swung.
If anything it was more difficult to bat in because Spinners and Fast Bowlers both were getting help.
 
I believe Ahmed Shahzad can score as freely as Dhawan did. But, the team management would want him to play slowly and the guy has got not much temperament. Will score a quickfire 40 and gets bogged down when slower bowlers come..
 
I saw his entire Innings so far. Let me tell you, when the opponents line up to shake your hand at the end of the day, you have done something ... Specially on you debut !!!! This guy looks like Tendulkar and Shewag rolled into ONE !!!!
 
although against a week bowling line up, but he is playing a classy innings!
 
NO IF NO BUT SIRF JATT... jehra dainda mucha nu vatt ..nalay kad-dah opposition day vatt ..nah haiga kisay toh ghatt ..oh hai shekar dhawan jatt.
 
I saw his entire Innings so far. Let me tell you, when the opponents line up to shake your hand at the end of the day, you have done something ... Specially on you debut !!!! This guy looks like Tendulkar and Shewag rolled into ONE !!!!

:)) or :facepalm: I'm confused...


Ok. I'll go with this.... :)))
 
Our management (PCB) is making big mistake here, not letting our batsman to play their natural game.

We force our batsman to play as our captain and coach wanted (this happen only in Pakistan) and for a bowler, we pick good bowler and let him bowl as he wanted. That’s why we don’t have much problem in bowling department.

Rubbish. Afridi has been playing his natural game since he was 16, and Umar Akmal has not corrected himself as well. If anything, its the players refusal to change their natural game that is the problem, not the opposite.
 
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