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Shoaib Malik in ODIs in England

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Astonishing statistics as follows:

9, 24, 2, 23, 2, 0, 5, 17, 5, 10, 1, 0, 0, 8, 17, 17 and 28

Innings 17

Runs 168

Average 9.88

Strike Rate of 52.33
 
We shouldn't be bashing him today.

Best day for him, he just scored his highest score of 28 in England.

Still a youngster, needs to be given a long rope.
 
In all honesty performance and ability has lost all meaning in Pakistan cricket over the last 20 years.
 
Smashed spinners and got out the moment pacer came on.

Shoaib Malik - 1st innings

v Bowler 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s 7+ Dismissal Runs Balls SR

MA Wood 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 caught 0 5 0.00
AU Rashid 3 8 0 1 0 0 0 0 11 12 91.66
LE Plunkett 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 8 50.00
MM Ali 5 3 0 0 1 0 1 0 13 10 130.00

Spinners:

Runs - 24 off 22 balls

Pacers:

Runs - 4 off 13 balls
 
He is seriously struggling against pacers has no clue how to play them. Surely we should get rizwan in his place
 
Saj said:
Astonishing statistics as follows:

9, 24, 2, 23, 2, 0, 5, 17, 5, 10, 1, 0, 0, 8, 17, 17 and 28

Innings 17

Runs 168

Average 9.88

Strike Rate of 52.33
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What is more astonishing about these stats is that many of these scores are from 2006 - when Malik was at the peak of his powers.
 
He did okay today, was unlucky to nick woods. I hope you people are happy with tuk tuk out imad instead.
 
Shouldn't be here. Sarfaraz doing his style of play better than him.
 
abc_to_xyz said:
He did okay today, was unlucky to nick woods. I hope you people are happy with tuk tuk out imad instead.
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Doing better than Imad is not the acceptable benchmark standard for an international level batsman...
 
Pete Rose said:
Shouldn't be here. Sarfaraz doing his style of play better than him.
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What kind of urge do you have of comparing a batsman like Sarfraz to a nobody like Malik?

Calm down there.

Malik never was even 40% of Sarfraz, even at his 'peak' in 2005-2006. Sarfraz has dominated both Tests and very good in ODIs.
 
Hawkeye said:
What kind of urge do you have of comparing a batsman like Sarfraz to a nobody like Malik?

Calm down there.

Malik never was even 40% of Sarfraz, even at his 'peak' in 2005-2006. Sarfraz has dominated both Tests and very good in ODIs.
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I only see you foaming at the mouth about it.
I mean he plays similar to Malik and plays pace marginally better (but has capacity to improve) and will end up with a career better than Malik's
Did not know I have to spell that out.
 
Pete Rose said:
I only see you foaming at the mouth about it.
I mean he plays similar to Malik and plays pace marginally better (but has capacity to improve) and will end up with a career better than Malik's
Did not know I have to spell that out.
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He plays spin and pace, both better by a very good margin. You'd be a dud if you're 'marginally' better than a dud-king in Malik.
 
Malik in team always costs

Whenever this person play for Pakistan , our team always struggles ..

I really don't understand his role in team , as senior player he never stepped up , always played for his spot ...

below par average in recent ODI's , simply a political character . . .

for what hack he is doing in playing XI ? people criticize hafeez why not malik ?
 
He should retire after this series if he has an ounce of self respect. Enough is Enough.
 
Hawkeye said:
What kind of urge do you have of comparing a batsman like Sarfraz to a nobody like Malik?

Calm down there.

Malik never was even 40% of Sarfraz, even at his 'peak' in 2005-2006. Sarfraz has dominated both Tests and very good in ODIs.
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Sarfraz still needs to improve his hitting power. He will be much more complete because he could've ended this innings with s strike rate of 95 and helped us get to 280. Still a brilliant innings and I'm not criticising it but there's room for improvement. Hope he sees it along with Mickey
 
zains_rulez said:
Whenever this person play for Pakistan , our team always struggles ..

I really don't understand his role in team , as senior player he never stepped up , always played for his spot ...

below par average in recent ODI's , simply a political character . . .

for what hack he is doing in playing XI ? people criticize hafeez why not malik ?
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Hafeez that can bowl and is willing to bat at 5/6 is an infinitely superior cricketer than Malik.
 
The only way we can improve our ODI side is if we permanently get rid of Azhar, Hafeez and Malik.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Sarfraz still needs to improve his hitting power. He will be much more complete because he could've ended this innings with s strike rate of 95 and helped us get to 280. Still a brilliant innings and I'm not criticising it but there's room for improvement. Hope he sees it along with Mickey
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Sarfaraz is a very busy player and he can play at a SR of 80-90 without resorting to slogging. Sadly our captain needs to go into hack mode to bring up his SR from 50-60 to 80.

I see nothing wrong with the way Sarfu plays, however the people following him at 6,7 and 8 should all have the ability to play at a SR of 110+.
 
Hawkeye said:
He plays spin and pace, both better by a very good margin. You'd be a dud if you're 'marginally' better than a dud-king in Malik.
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lol, Sarfraz plays spin better than Malik, and therefore he give 20 thick edges in the first half of his century to the spinners! bro bolnay se pehlay soch letay hen
 
But he'll play well elsewhere

so will remain in the side

Hafeez/Azhar/Malik/Sharjeel

will all struggle in England
 
Seeing this person play for Pakistan makes my blood boil. I never rated this guy. Only in Pakistan can a poor player like him have such a long career. It's a joke.
 
"Incase of Shoaib Malik, he has had some problems in the past year so we have moved him to number 6 position which is a very important position" : Azhar Ali
 
Needs to go im afraid, if after 200 intnl games and 15 years of intnl cricket you cant perform than you have no place in the team
 
Malik so far havent had a bad series... He has an okayish series so far...17,28 next match will be 39 and then 50 and 61 we hope so...
 
pretty mediocre series, and frankly not a finisher against top quality pace bowling. time to go.
 
He isn't going anywhere till the 2019 world cup. Only in Pakistan would a 34 and 35 year old get chance after chance
 
Another statistic that doesn't lie.
Malik s time should be up. Nice guy but doesn't cut it.
 
Im Suds said:
Another statistic that doesn't lie.
Malik s time should be up. Nice guy but doesn't cut it.
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Yes. As I mentioned elsewhere, sarfaraz is a similar batsman but a significant upgrade over Malik. I've always had a soft spot for him as I felt he was harshly treated when odi captain, but I think it's time to go. Pakistan needs to make a clear break from these players who have been playing for a decade and a half but have middling batting and bowling averages.
 
abc_to_xyz said:
He did okay today, was unlucky to nick woods. I hope you people are happy with tuk tuk out imad instead.
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what kind of idiotic comment is that, give credit to imad hes a limited batsman but still showed good temperament to support sarfaraz and then took responsibilty himself, and scored more in his 2nd innings in eng than malik has in 17 innings
 
He can only play spinners. As soon as Fast bowlers come he is a walking wicket specially in Seaming and bouncy conditions.
 
Our side will improve once Azhar, Hafeez and Malik are thrown out of the team.
 
I will be bashed by Pakistanis by saying this but who are your replacements? Its not as if there are Inzis and Salim Malik's waiting in the queue...
 
Tridibans_16 said:
I will be bashed by Pakistanis by saying this but who are your replacements? Its not as if there are Inzis and Salim Malik's waiting in the queue...
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Saud Shakeel, imam ul haq, Mohammad rizwan. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] will know of other names.
 
abc_to_xyz said:
its not about one innings wonder. Even malik scored 28-odd in same innings. He single handedly took away the tempo of innings with his 63 just like what Azhar did in the first innings. Malik atleast plays according to the conditions.
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Look at the stats in the opening post once again. Is that batting according to the conditions?
 
Time to retire Shoaib Malik

Over several tours Shoaib Malik has consistently failed in England

He averages like 6 or sth despite a huge sample set spread across several tours

It is clear he just cannot survive in England regardless of conditions

The CT2017 is in England
The next World Cup 2019 is also in England

You play bilateral series and build sides in anticipation of these events. So if ya guaranteed a player will fail here what's the point of him Hanging around

2019 World Cup was really as far as it can go for his career so I think the time has come to close the chapter on him

He hasn't been bowling either much and even if he does his pies in England are just asking to be smashed out of the ground
 
Slog said:
Over several tours Shoaib Malik has consistently failed in England

He averages like 6 or sth despite a huge sample set spread across several tours

It is clear he just cannot survive in England regardless of conditions

The CT2017 is in England
The next World Cup 2019 is also in England

You play bilateral series and build sides in anticipation of these events. So if ya guaranteed a player will fail here what's the point of him Hanging around

2019 World Cup was really as far as it can go for his career so I think the time has come to close the chapter on him

He hasn't been bowling either much and even if he does his pies in England are just asking to be smashed out of the ground
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Absolutely. Unfortunately, we keep going back to the seniors.
 
I guess he was reading all these threads about his avg in eng :13: After this innings his place in the team is secure till CT at least :yk
 
This match should change nothing. Holistically he has failed and failed miserably.
 
Malik scoring at a crucial time to screw over Pakistan even more.

Dawson...welcome to international cricket.
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
This match should change nothing. Holistically he has failed and failed miserably.
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sadly thats not how things work in pcb and pakistan. now he got a license for windiws series and a 50 there means his future is secured in the team
 
Wickets in the UK are flat these days so it shouldn't have been an issue. But Malik is not a power hitter which is why he struggled at 6/7 when he had to hit out.

Now at 4/5 he is back in the groove.
 
Good innings today but it doesn't change my opinion on him. He should retire gracefully and make way for someone younger.
 
Should've taken the game to the end being the experienced guy... you would have to question his decision making hitting that shot..
He's played a good knock. I would rate his knock 8/10 for this performance.
Should be a long term stay in our side.. has cemented his position in the side with this knock in a dead rubber.
I'm still not convinced by him, specially his performances in pressure situations , always performs in a dead rubber.
Did something similar in 3rd t20 vs England in the UAE, which we lost btw when he failed to finish that game off too.. This guy is only good when his place is under threat.. doesn't have the winning mentality and will always falter in touch siutations.. more of a selfish player who plays for himself than a team man
 
He played poorly throughout the series in the UAE and did the same back in England but managed to perform in a dead rubber to keep his place
 
Shoaib Malik's highest scores in ODIs outside Asia:
128 vs India in 2009
96* vs Zimbabwe in 2015
77 vs England today

Good innings but Pakistan needed him to see the team home.
 
Thanks to Dawson, Malik hit 90% of his boundaries on the spinner.. If it weren't for him Malik would again get out getting a selfish 30 odd
 
Black Zero said:
If it wasn't Dawson, Pakistan would have won by 7 wickets.
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Ohhh so a debutant is a threat to our legends who have been playing for 16 years of International cricket.. established middle order batsmen, you do know in 16 years someone like Sangakarra has made twice the runs our legend Malik has made :)))
 
waleed88 said:
How many runs did Malik score off pace bowlers? The match I saw Malik only had one boundary off them
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In that case WhenSultansBowled is right, you saw some different match as today Malik scored two fours against Mark Wood and 1 four against Ben stokes.
Malik scored 27 runs against Dawson and 50 runs against rest of bowlers.

I can understand it pains you that Malik has been performing since he returned in May 2015.
 
waleed88 said:
Ohhh so a debutant is a threat to our legends who have been playing for 16 years of International cricket.. established middle order batsmen, you do know in 16 years someone like Sangakarra has made twice the runs our legend Malik has made :)))
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Since when debutants are not allowed to bowl good bowls? check how he out-maneuvered Sarfraz.
 
Don't know how it was a selfish innings.

He played well and it would be harsh to drop him now.

Should look to accomodate him at #4.
 
Black Zero said:
Since when debutants are not allowed to bowl good bowls? check how he out-maneuvered Sarfraz.
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soo did he get wickets because he is a good bowler or because Malik is a better batsmen off spinners, as he can't hit boundaries off pace bowlers.. I think the latter is more likely :)
 
Black Zero said:
In that case WhenSultansBowled is right, you saw some different match as today Malik scored two fours against Mark Wood and 1 four against Ben stokes.
Malik scored 27 runs against Dawson and 50 runs against rest of bowlers.

I can understand it pains you that Malik has been performing since he returned in May 2015.
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I didn't see this 'performance' in last 3 games he played, or the world t20, or his tour to new zealand before that, or the England series in UAE (where he saved his face in the end with 70 in a dead rubber last game and went missing the entire series) :)))
 
Black Zero said:
In that case WhenSultansBowled is right, you saw some different match as today Malik scored two fours against Mark Wood and 1 four against Ben stokes.
Malik scored 27 runs against Dawson and 50 runs against rest of bowlers.

I can understand it pains you that Malik has been performing since he returned in May 2015.
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the Don who scores big runs against Zimbabwe, and only managed to score a 100 against them is now the hope on which our entire middle order should lie..

a player so experienced couldn't manage to finish the game off is a pity because he's finishing off these games in domestic tournaments every time he plays in them, its only when he is put under a little bit of pressure that he collapses completely :)
But you have to count the number of catches that Malik has to make use of in order to get to that score.
 
waleed88 said:
I didn't see this 'performance' in last 3 games he played, or the world t20, or his tour to new zealand before that, or the England series in UAE (where he saved his face in the end with 70 in a dead rubber last game and went missing the entire series) :)))
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Cause he was sent so down the order.
and when he was given chance at #4 and he delivered ..and with that we won the match ...
 
waleed88 said:
the Don who scores big runs against Zimbabwe, and only managed to score a 100 against them is now the hope on which our entire middle order should lie..

a player so experienced couldn't manage to finish the game off is a pity because he's finishing off these games in domestic tournaments every time he plays in them, its only when he is put under a little bit of pressure that he collapses completely :)
But you have to count the number of catches that Malik has to make use of in order to get to that score.
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Yes and this will do wonders for Pakistan ODI.
 
waleed88 said:
I didn't see this 'performance' in last 3 games he played, or the world t20, or his tour to new zealand before that, or the England series in UAE (where he saved his face in the end with 70 in a dead rubber last game and went missing the entire series) :)))
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btw, you did not comment about that other match where Malik hit only a single boundary against pace?1? :)
 
Black Zero said:
Cause he was sent so down the order.
and when he was given chance at #4 and he delivered ..and with that we won the match ...
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How many times are you gonna excuse his under-performance with this down the order bs??
 
Black Zero said:
btw, you did not comment about that other match where Malik hit only a single boundary against pace?1? :)
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I saw his only boundary come off a pacer, and it still doesn't make him a good batsmen off pacers because majority of his runs were against the Dawson and that is how he released pressure :)
 
Black Zero said:
whenever he would be sent #6 and low, i'll present same valid reason.
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He is a no.6 batsmen he has played there all his life, he has always failed up the order.. whether it be no.3 or as an opener.. excuses are a plenty for this man and he never has enough of them
 
waleed88 said:
He is a no.6 batsmen he has played there all his life, he has always failed up the order.. whether it be no.3 or as an opener.. excuses are a plenty for this man and he never has enough of them
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Worst thing about this victory is that it could keep Malik in the side longer. Sigh.
 
Saj said:
Shoaib Malik's highest scores in ODIs outside Asia:
128 vs India in 2009
96* vs Zimbabwe in 2015
77 vs England today

Good innings but Pakistan needed him to see the team home.
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Probably his best innings outside of Asia against Top bowling attack but malik is not a finisher and has had a mediocre career. He should play for next few series but Pakistan need to start looking for his replacement as he his not in our long term plans for champions trophy and World cup. He is not a match winner and never will be.
 
1 good inns in a blue moon should not save him from the chop with both CT and world cups in england its obvious malik will be a sitting duck in these conditions and its time to move on from his selection.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Malik scoring at a crucial time to screw over Pakistan even more.

Dawson...welcome to international cricket.
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o thought he was a good player. he's comes to the team with a strong domestic perfo, picking wickets and scoring runs. Well hope s he'd have a good career.
 
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