Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[taaveez]

Maybe you have not noticed, I tried to address iafzal's objection regarding SM so absolutely no reason to be jumpy.

Not sure why you are being jumpy. You've referred to your previous data manipulations a number of times, incl. one in the post I'm replying to.

 

[PapaBear]

Another of those Malik support threads by the mafia. I also fully support Malik the Menace's retirement from all forms of cricket.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Most of this thread consists of manipulated statistical garbage from Anwaar trying to defend malik and make him out to be a world class player which he will never be!

 

[Black Zero]

Most of this thread consists of manipulated statistical garbage from Anwaar trying to defend malik and make him out to be a world class player which he will never be!

where is the manipulation?

 

[Black Zero]

Another of those Malik support threads by the mafia. I also fully support Malik the Menace's retirement from all forms of cricket.

Its the same support thread.

 

[Monsee]

after repeated badgering by Yousuf over a couple of years.

And what stopped him from taking MoYo to task...are those 24 hours over yet?

Let's see which new excuse gets crafted this time...either you stay shut after not replying for two years or you reply after the first few instances...what the hell kind of deal is waiting two years to respond to someone making you look bad from day one?

 

[Black Zero]

And what stopped him from taking MoYo to task...are those 24 hours over yet?

Let's see which new excuse gets crafted this time...either you stay shut after not replying for two years or you reply after the first few instances...what the hell kind of deal is waiting two years to respond to someone making you look bad from day one?

Yes over and issue resolved.
Ijaz Butt took care of MoYo on Malik's behalf!

 

[Oxy]

Oh sorry, I entered this thread by mistake...will find the 'hate Malik' thread and post there

 

[Monsee]

Yes over and issue resolved.
Ijaz Butt took care of MoYo on Malik's behalf!

BTW, those bans also included ban on Malik too...yes Jahaaz did took care of him or for him

That atill does not answer my question though...Jahaaz is his own man and Mr. Mr. Mirza likes to do his own thing too.

So why he stayed shut for two years and then threatened 'I will expose you within 24 hours' and those 24 hours are still not over yet...they almost feel like as long as the innings Moonshine Man will play in the first test against England?

 

[Black Zero]

BTW, those bans also included ban on Malik too...yes Jahaaz did took care of him or for him

That atill does not answer my question though...Jahaaz is his own man and Mr. Mr. Mirza likes to do his own thing too.

So why he stayed shut for two years and then threatened 'I will expose you within 24 hours' and those 24 hours are still not over yet...they almost feel like as long as the innings Moonshine Man will play in the first test against England?

That was Malik's order to Ijaz Butt, so that no one can raise finger toward Malik and all blame goes to Butt. Everyone is back except YK/MoYo and Rana (cause he turned his back toward the gang).

Waited 2 years, reason is very simple, MoYo, then, was in ban by proxy.
Why would you want to hit an already fallen person.

Seriously, if you have followed the oath episode then it was Malik who told to Aaqib about it in Australia and that what he told to Ijaz (during 1-1 meeting with Ijab butt where Ijaz tried to show 35 players for T20 WC to Malik, MoYo met Ijaz Butt couple of days earlier)

24 hour threat was to mum MoYo (as he started making SM scapegoat for his phenomenal performance) and it worked.

 

[Mardaanyat]

Why people are after a good player like Malik.

 

[Oxy]

Why people are after a good player like Malik.He once hammered south africa 82 of 41.

Let me dig out my dusty back issues of The Cricketer to check that....

 

[Mardaanyat]

Akmal is a big talent Shoaib malik is mature now and should bat at 4.

 

[Amjid Javed]

where is the manipulation?

Like that Fact you try to make out Malik was Pakistan best ever odi skipper etc...

Anyways ive given up on pointless discussion with some one whose trying to defend an average player!

 

[cornelius]

Like that Fact you try to make out Malik was Pakistan best ever odi skipper etc...

Anyways ive given up on pointless discussion with some one whose trying to defend an average player!

Add to that when Anwaar said malik was unlucky to get out for 10 after he middled that ball. Despite the fact that he hit it straight to a fielder, despite the fact that he edged to the keeper and also edged to slips with no movement of feet, Anwaar said malik look solid. Anwaar please enlighten us, read the bold and tell me how thats solid batting. dont talk about YK or Moyos neighbours, just answer this question.

 

[Sultan Yusuf]

Cornelius Sahb, don't u know the ethics of cricketers, if someone middles a ball straight to them, the fielder out of pure appreciation should move out of the way! I mean we should applaud Malik for having the awesome technique to hit the ball in the direction of the cover fielder, he's done it fairly regularly. Ponting's a coward for putting a fielder there knowing full well Malik will miss out on valuable runs in that direction

 

[Prince_Pathan]

Oh sorry, I entered this thread by mistake...will find the 'hate Malik' thread and post there

is there actually that kinda thread...id prob live on it all day

 

[kamranO]

Why not Retired gracefully Like Did, is A big Deemak For This Young Team

 

[Monsee]

Guys, I have come to the conclusion that either 'Anwaar' is Malik himself, is suffering from some 'Malikaaria Condition' where the sufferer cannot see nothing wrong with his beloved...or he is just messing with all of us!

I am going with all three options just like Malik tries to be in all three formats of cricket but lately is barely good at any.

Note: Seriously speaking, I am 100% sure that Anwaar is just messing with everyone and wasting our time...no one can be so deluded (except Malik, maybe)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Add to that when Anwaar said malik was unlucky to get out for 10 after he middled that ball. Despite the fact that he hit it straight to a fielder, despite the fact that he edged to the keeper and also edged to slips with no movement of feet, Anwaar said malik look solid. Anwaar please enlighten us, read the bold and tell me how thats solid batting. dont talk about YK or Moyos neighbours, just answer this question.

Anyone whose seens Maliks pathetic test career will have seen him get out numerous times in this way during Home series against england going back a few years..

 

[Sultan Yusuf]

Guys, I have come to the conclusion that either 'Anwaar' is Malik himself, is suffering from some 'Malikaaria Condition' where the sufferer cannot see nothing wrong with his beloved...or he is just messing with all of us!

I am going with all three options just like Malik tries to be in all three formats of cricket but lately is barely good at any.

Note: Seriously speaking, I am 100% sure that Anwaar is just messing with everyone and wasting our time...no one can be so deluded (except Malik, maybe)

Yup, more and more I get the feeling he's a troll. Noone with any self respect can be such ardent fan of someone so useless.

 

[Black Zero]

Like that Fact you try to make out Malik was Pakistan best ever odi skipper etc...

Anyways ive given up on pointless discussion with some one whose trying to defend an average player!

I have stats to back my claim, you have nothing but emotions.
Nice that you have given up.

 

[Black Zero]

Why people are after a good player like Malik.He once hammered south africa 82 of 41.

IN ODIs he is Pakistani highest ranked player atm.
but SM haters just show the incomplete picture about his Test Credetials.

 

[cornelius]

I have stats to back my claim, you have nothing but emotions.
Nice that you have given up.

BORRRRRING! Yeah yeah we all know that wins against zim and bangladesh make him better than Imran Khan. Your stats say so. yes yes BORRRRINGGGGGGG!

You still havent answered my question in the previous posts. cmon Anwaar, show some malik type guts and respond to that please.

 

[Mardaanyat]

IN ODIs he is Pakistani highest ranked player atm.
but SM haters just show the incomplete picture about his Test Credetials.

In SL series I was the best batsman and after one or two poor games I was dropped in Aus.Inshallah I will perform this series.

 

[Black Zero]

Add to that when Anwaar said malik was unlucky to get out for 10 after he middled that ball. Despite the fact that he hit it straight to a fielder, despite the fact that he edged to the keeper and also edged to slips with no movement of feet, Anwaar said malik look solid. Anwaar please enlighten us, read the bold and tell me how thats solid batting. dont talk about YK or Moyos neighbours, just answer this question.

- He didn't hit DIRECT to fielder.
- When he edged to keeper?
- Edged towards the Right of slips. (Don't blame Malik for Ponting's fault)
- He was moving his feet (lot more than technical prodigy UA)

Plus, just to clear misconceptions, this thread is not to discuss inning by inning basis. There is another thread for monitoring performance for UK trip.

 

[Monsee]

In SL series I was the best batsman and after one or two poor games I was dropped in Aus.Inshallah I will perform this series.

Welcome Moonshine Mirza to PP, Begum kaisi hai?

BTW, the name does not suit your personality...how about chnaging to ChurraGhonp

 

[Prince_Pathan]

Guys, I have come to the conclusion that either 'Anwaar' is Malik himself, is suffering from some 'Malikaaria Condition' where the sufferer cannot see nothing wrong with his beloved...or he is just messing with all of us!

I am going with all three options just like Malik tries to be in all three formats of cricket but lately is barely good at any.

Note: Seriously speaking, I am 100% sure that Anwaar is just messing with everyone and wasting our time...no one can be so deluded (except Malik, maybe)

bang on the money there hilarious

i myself feel like a troll for commenting on anyting anti malik said and not responding to anything else on the thread lol

 

[*sallu*]

Its getting close to do or die for Malik now.
Perform or perish

 

[Black Zero]

BORRRRRING! Yeah yeah we all know that wins against zim and bangladesh make him better than Imran Khan. Your stats say so. yes yes BORRRRINGGGGGGG!

You still havent answered my question in the previous posts. cmon Anwaar, show some malik type guts and respond to that please.

Well Taveez had already contacted ICC to nullify those matches.
As soon we got confirmation from ICC, I'll update the chart. and Meanwhile few would send a similar request to ICC to nullify matches that Imran won against SL as SL was BD once.

Can't help much as we can't change official stats as per wishes and desires.
And officially SM is the BEST ODI captain Pakistan had.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Its getting close to do or die for Malik now.
Perform or perish

You mean 267?

 

[cornelius]

- He didn't hit DIRECT to fielder. - UNBELIEVABLE.
- When he edged to keeper? WATCH THE GAME DARNIT
- Edged towards the Right of slips. (Don't blame Malik for Ponting's fault) - HE EDGED TO THE RIGHT OF 2ND SLIP!! BOTH TIMES HIS FEET WERENT MOVING, WHO CARES IF AKMAL WASNT? DROP AKMAL IF TEN YEARS DOWN THE LINE HES STILL PLAYING LIKE THIS!DONT BLAME HIM FOR EDGING WITH NO FEET MOVING COZ THATS PONTINGS FAULT?! GOOD GOD MAN,AJ was right, its pointless discussing with you. your in la la land with moon.
- He was moving his feet (lot more than technical prodigy UA)

Plus, just to clear misconceptions, this thread is not to discuss inning by inning basis. There is another thread for monitoring performance for UK trip. - Just to clear your misconception, this thread is discussing shoaib malik and so his innings' WILL be discussed.[/QUOTE]

 

[Stewie]

Mister Mirza cant move his feet these days. I suspect usskey per bhari ho gaye hein.. which is an urdu idiom for being pregnant and by this I am implying that Missus Mirza could be pregnant.. yes...

 

[immubhai]

Mr Mirza = Walikng wicket and at the moment we have three walking wickets, namely, Mirza, and AKmal brothers. I hope, Waqar tries something new tomorrow!

 

[Black Zero]

Note: Seriously speaking, I am 100% sure that Anwaar is just messing with everyone and wasting our time...no one can be so deluded (except Malik, maybe)

Maybe I am deluded but still waiting for someone who can counter these official stats:

Batting as an opener
Malik averages higher than:

Hanif Muhammad
Shoaib Muhammad
Toufeeq Umer
Mohsin Khan
Majid Khan
Nazar Muhammad
Salman Butt
Farhat
Muddasar Nazir
Aamer Sohail
Sadiq Muhammad
Rameez
&
Ijaz butt


Infact, Malik averages higher than everybody else except Saeed Anwar and Tasleem Arif.

Malik's tests include against WI, Eng, SL, Ind.

Batting at #4 and at #5

4th innings Average

THE Highest among all Pakistani ever player for Pakistan

Average against SL

Average 60 against SL

average against SA

 

[Monsee]

Your wish has been granted, as I had already mentioned/predicted in a few threads, Mr. Mirza is already injured...now he can cling to the team for a few more years!

Anwaar is dancing nanga on the streets

 

[Prince_Pathan]

Maybe I am deluded but still waiting for someone who can counter these official stats:

Batting as an opener
Malik averages higher than:

Hanif Muhammad
Shoaib Muhammad
Toufeeq Umer
Mohsin Khan
Majid Khan
Nazar Muhammad
Salman Butt
Farhat
Muddasar Nazir
Aamer Sohail
Sadiq Muhammad
Rameez
&
Ijaz butt


Infact, Malik averages higher than everybody else except Saeed Anwar and Tasleem Arif.

Malik's tests include against WI, Eng, SL, Ind.

Batting at #4 and at #5

4th innings Average

THE Highest among all Pakistani ever player for Pakistan

Average against SL

Average 60 against SL

average against SA

an average is just a number...it cud be said newbie azhar ali averages higher than shoaib malik currently...

there is no way he is in the same class level as inzamam ul haq,imran khan,mohammad yousuf or younis khan...

i mean i no u love the guy and its sweet and moving and you must go through alot of effort posting these stats up but again...an average doesnt neccesarily prove anything

 

[saeed-sohail]

Great stuff Anwaar.

 

[sohaibsyed]

haha lol....man I log onto pakpassion i think 2 or 3 times a week but I have to c a thread for malik always.

 

[sohaibsyed]

very interesting analysis btw....Does that include a certain number of minimum innings?

 

[aqeelPK]

Shoaib Malik is one of the best batsman Pakistan have ever produced in limited overs cricket. moyo yk n misbah tried to ruin his career through dirty politics in team.and PCB knows that better than us, thats why moyo yk n misbah are all out of the team while malik is still playing.

 

[Black Zero]

very interesting analysis btw....Does that include a certain number of minimum innings?

No its a raw data, without any spin/manipulation and/or qualification.

I am against "designing" stats.

If one argues that sample set is too small and SM shouldn't be praised for some of his achievements then they immediately lose all rights to criticize him (for very same reason).

I hope you'd agree with me on this.

 

[Black Zero]

an average is just a number...it cud be said newbie azhar ali averages higher than shoaib malik currently...

there is no way he is in the same class level as inzamam ul haq,imran khan,mohammad yousuf or younis khan...

i mean i no u love the guy and its sweet and moving and you must go through alot of effort posting these stats up but again...an average doesnt neccesarily prove anything

I'll be the first person who would agree that average is just a number...
But you better tell this "Truth" to MoYo/YK fans.

Would you?

 

[Black Zero]

haha lol....man I log onto pakpassion i think 2 or 3 times a week but I have to c a thread for malik always.

Maybe its the same thread...

 

[aqeelPK]

.

if one argues that sample set is too small and sm shouldn't be praised for some of his achievements then they immediately lose all rights to criticize him (for very same reason).

i hope you'd agree with me on this.

 

[sohaibsyed]

No its a raw data, without any spin/manipulation and/or qualification.

I am against "designing" stats.

If one argues that sample set is too small and SM shouldn't be praised for some of his achievements then they immediately lose all rights to criticize him (for very same reason).

I hope you'd agree with me on this.

Well I never am against him to start with. I just watch what people here have to say. Everyone wants him out of the team all the time. And When he scores all everyone has to say is that oo all the malik supporters will come out now and support him. I don't understand y people on this forum just bash him over and over.....A few months ago everyone used to hate butt and farhat too...now they dont lol.

Give it a break guys!

 

[taaveez]

The reason someone might call you deluded is not for the stats but for the simple reason that these stats have already been debunked in this very thread.

Maybe I am deluded but still waiting for someone who can counter these official stats:

Batting as an opener
Malik averages higher than:

Hanif Muhammad
Shoaib Muhammad
Toufeeq Umer
Mohsin Khan
Majid Khan
Nazar Muhammad
Salman Butt
Farhat
Muddasar Nazir
Aamer Sohail
Sadiq Muhammad
Rameez
&
Ijaz butt

Infact, Malik averages higher than everybody else except Saeed Anwar and Tasleem Arif.

Malik's tests include against WI, Eng, SL, Ind.

Here's the rebuttal from post # 487.

I wouldn't compare Malik's opening with anyone before the 2000s.

Players like Majid, Hanif, Sadiq, Mohsin, and Mudassar had to face the likes of Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts, Croft, and others with the new ball - and without any current-era batting protection.

Even Ramiz, Sohail, and Anwer were facing Ambrose, Walsh, and Bishop in their prime opening years.

On the other hand, Malik got to face Powell, Best, et al with full protection and at home. So, it's not a fair comparison.

Apples to apples, you should compare Malik with S Butt, Y Hameed, T Umar, and Farhat. Again, the sample size is way too small for Malik but at least it's in a near-continuous space.

To avoid "data manipulation" by pitches, opponents, home/way, I'm going to compare Butt's stats with Malik's stats in only the matches they opened together.

These are tests # 1770, 1772, 1774, 1781, and 1782. This sample set is only missing two matches in Malik's entire test opening universe.

The stats are:

Malik: 7 innings, 188 runs, 26.86 average
Butt: 7 innings, 367 runs, 52.43 average

So, in these 7 innings, Butt had a better average.

Malik opened with Hameed in one test and had a better average.

Malik opened with Farhat in one test and had a better average.

So, based on this, I'd conclude Butt is a better opener than Malik, who is better than Hameed and Farhat. HOWEVER, I've already qualified it by saying that the sample sizes are inadequate. I'm not a fan of linear extrapolations, so until I see Malik facing a new ball in a similar number of appearances as other openers, I won't be able to conclude one way or the other.

All said and done, if he thinks he can open better than the current openers, he should volunteer. This will help solve one of our major long-running problems. (Assuming he bowls only part-time, as - let's face it - he hasn't got twatson's six-pack fitness yet.)

Batting at #4 and at #5

4th innings Average

THE Highest among all Pakistani ever player for Pakistan

Here's the rebuttal from post # 748:

No, S Rajesh wasn't dumb enough to waste his time on players who played 2 joke innings on these respective positions, including a not out each.

In case you missed, he qualified his list by requiring the accumulation of 1,500 runs in these positions. Malik the 36-averager has 1,500 runs in his entire 10-year career!

 

[Black Zero]

Shoaib Malik is one of the best batsman Pakistan have ever produced in limited overs cricket. moyo yk n misbah tried to ruin his career through dirty politics in team.and PCB knows that better than us, thats why moyo yk n misbah are all out of the team while malik is still playing.

Yes, SM is currently the highest ranking ODI player for Pakistan.
And he was the second highest run scorer in recent CT.

Let me bring back his captaincy comparison relative to other Pakistani captains:

Another jewel that he himself led the team from the front and here is the proof:

 

[saeed-sohail]

Great reply taaveez but Anwaar can say malik despite being good at the top was harshly treated when they demoted him down the order.

 

[Black Zero]

Great reply taaveez but Anwaar can say malik despite being good at the top was harshly treated when they demoted him down the order.

We have customized our responses as per haters!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2764577&postcount=67

Here Mr. Taveez is caught Red Handed by AZ presenting 2-3 test data in his argument.

Later like every "criminal" he then started making excuses.

Taveez had lost all moral ground on that argument, but if anyone else raise same point, i'd love to reply.

 

[sohaibsyed]

LOL go Anwar! It seems like you have the answers for all the bashers!

 

[the Great Khan]

how many meaning full series did we win with malik as cuptaan?? None!..he was a rubbish cuptaan..your stats are again without context...

 

[Black Zero]

LOL go Anwar! It seems like you have the answers for all the bashers!

Its unfortunate that people use different yard sticks to suit their purpose. They want fairness but not ready to give it in return.

 

[Black Zero]

how many meaning full series did we win with malik as cuptaan?? None!..he was a rubbish cuptaan..your stats are again without context...

Malik is really the clear winner if we go by match wise.

As you want series-wise, take it as your assignment and:

- Compile series win/loss of all the Pakistani captains

OK?

 

[Fallen King]

^ Anwar

Why are you wasting your times with them.?

Look at their posts. It's getting embarrassing now. They are trying to lower their characters by dragging 'Malik' out of nothing. There is something that can not be cured no matter what.

I and my brother are fan of Mohammad Yousuf, but i don't hate Malik because of Yousuf.

 

[insaaniyat]

^ Anwar

Why are you wasting your times with them.?

Look at their posts. It's getting embarrassing now. They are trying to lower their characters by dragging 'Malik' out of nothing. There is something that can not be cured no matter what.

I and my brother are fan of Mohammad Yousuf, but i don't hate Malik because of Yousuf.

well said

 

[insaaniyat]

Malik is really the clear winner if we go by match wise.

As you want series-wise, take it as your assignment and:

- Compile series win/loss of all the Pakistani captains

OK?

Anwar where does Younis Khan stand in win/loss ratio when you compare him to top five?

 

[Black Zero]

^ Anwar

Why are you wasting your times with them.?

Look at their posts. It's getting embarrassing now. They are trying to lower their characters by dragging 'Malik' out of nothing. There is something that can not be cured no matter what.

I and my brother are fan of Mohammad Yousuf, but i don't hate Malik because of Yousuf.

I am not concerned a bit as thread are being monitored by Mods so its in the scope of their duties to allow or close that thread..

Regarding, I mostly reply when someone tries to argue with some stats.

 

[Black Zero]

Anwar where does Younis Khan stand in win/loss ratio when you compare him to top five?

T20
YK main achievement is to win t20WC
ODI
CT Semi Final
Test
Won a match as stand by.

Though Win/Loss is not good enough.

Here is for T20

P.S. My name is Anwaar (and not Anwar), it hurts.

 

[Shaheerthe2nd]

The only thing I have against Malik is that he is not a test player

He doesn't have the technique to survive against good pace bowlers.

A fine player of spin though. Probally the best in Pakistan currently.

He's a fine batsmen for ODI's and T20's too.

 

[Black Zero]

The only thing I have against Malik is that he is not a test player

He doesn't have the technique to survive against good pace bowlers.

A fine player of spin though. Probally the best in Pakistan currently.

He's a fine batsmen for ODI's and T20's too.

Could be that you are new to this thread...but we have compared Pakistani openers we have following result:

Batting as an opener
Malik averages higher than:

Hanif Muhammad
Shoaib Muhammad
Toufeeq Umer
Mohsin Khan
Majid Khan
Nazar Muhammad
Salman Butt
Farhat
Muddasar Nazir
Aamer Sohail
Sadiq Muhammad
Rameez
&
Ijaz butt


Infact, Malik averages higher than everybody else except Saeed Anwar and Tasleem Arif.

If you have some data that proves that he is technically weak as compared to other Pakistani players, i'd like to see.

 

[Shaheerthe2nd]

Just interested in knowing this......( not a stats man)

How many times has Malik opened in the subcontinent and how many times has he opened away from it?

Find the averages of that and come back to me.

Also, his career average isn't that good either. Malik has a career average of just 35 in a batting era. For comparison reasons Hanif Mohammad had a career average of 43.98.

 

[uzy99]

My contribution to this thread is to get it closer to 1K posts.

 

[Monsee]

I am not a stats man and don't really like when Apples are being compared to oranges i.e. Malik the opener or Butt/Farhat are better openers because of them having a better average than Shoaib Mohammed or Aamir Sohail etc.

If these current players have had to face the past bowling giants, without protection, with no limit on bouncers per over etc., they would literally quit cricket rather than face the chin music. In fact, even with all the current protections/limits on bouncers, playing on batting paradise like pitches etc. most of these current openers/batsman still get scared when a bowler picthes it short and it comes close to their body/face.

We all know what capabilities Moonshine Man has as a test player...no set of stats are good enough to hide the fact that he is a walking wicket in most conditions outside Asia; we saw his talent at display in the recent match and no one can convince me that Malik can be a successful test batsman unless he completely overhauls his technique especially when playing the moving ball.

I had predicted that Malik will crap out of the test via injury (since this ground is known to be seamer friendly) and it came true...although I was hoping he would play and prove me wrong by helping Pak win (if still in the team). Although the technique on display does not impress me at all but when he plays for Pak...I support him as long he is being picked fairly i.e. not due to his contacts etc.

 

[Black Zero]

Just interested in knowing this......( not a stats man)

How many times has Malik opened in the subcontinent and how many times has he opened away from it?

Find the averages of that and come back to me.

Also, his career average isn't that good either. Malik has a career average of just 35 in a batting era. For comparison reasons Hanif Mohammad had a career average of 43.98.

Brother, this is not one-way traffic. You need to base your claim.
If you can't present conclusive stats to back your claim that his technique is questionable, then I'd suggest just be a spectator.

 

[godzilla]

theres two things i dont understand about this thread.

1) why is malik being compared to batting superstars? or even very good batsmen. anwars stats if nothing else demonstrate that he has a utility, and even scrubbed in whichever ways you want, its undeniable that he has a utility. its irrelevant whether he'll ever be as good as inzi, or yousuf or younis. what is relevant is if there are dependable batsmen who he's keeping out of the team. and the criteria for selection isnt only talent, it ends up being a mixture of talent, discipline, fitness, experience and how much he fits in the team.

i dont think malik is the most talented batsman that pakistan has produced, but given current politics and options, i dont know of many who are clear forerunners to him. there just isnt a bradman he's keeping out of the squad.

2) why are so many people making it so personal? if you dont think hes good enough to be in the team, isnt it enough to say that? why vilify him, insult him and make him out to be malevolent?

im agnostic to whether he's in the team or not, but i think its really terribly poor form that he is ridiculed and hated with such vigour, and suspect some of this is a self fulfilling prophecy of vulturous gossip mongers, rather than based on truth.

what i know as fact is that every interview ive personally seen of him, he has come across as very humble, well mannered and respectful. i recall that at the time the the captaincy was thrust upon him, he absolutely did not pine for it, like younis, and unlike afridi and yousuf.

what i was told by an ex player who had iftar at my apartment last ramadan was that he used to be very close to yousuf, but that they grew apart once he was made captain, and yousuf took exception to not being informed of decisions, and the such like.

now perhaps malik changed completely, and became manipulative and power crazed, although this flies in the face of two observations: 1) the fact that he only came out in the public to play politics once yousuf forced his hand this year and 2) he has never stated that he has wanted captaincy, in fact, he has stated the opposite.

what i suspect, from the person who knew him personally and from interviews ive seen of him, and from what we are told about the pcb, is that when he was given the captaincy, he was put into an extraordinarily difficult position, like most of our captains have been. he would i suspect, have had to pander to the last minute unprofessional whims of the board, and at the same time attempt to extract some semblance of authority amongst his team mates, culturally famous for their ego and inflated self importance, whilst taking on the role of the fall guy for board decisions which he would have to suffer for on the pitch.

its no wonder that people like him, and younis end up with reputations for being aloof. how else do you end up telling a close friend on the morning of a match that theyre not playing, when you know they should be playing, but have had your hand forced by management? im not saying that this happened, but i know, again from conversations with an ex player, that this type of thing would be typical, certainly of past boards, and i suspect the present one.

if team mates then become disgruntled, and begin to complain to each other, and this leads to leaks to the press, its very understandable how it all snow balls out of control, and a player who may have been perfectly genuine and even potentially very talented, ends up with his confidence, reputation and dignity dragged through the mud.

again, i dont know whats happened in the team dressing rooms over the years for sure, but just on the off chance that malik has been victim of disgusting character assasination, based on gossip rather than fact, by whorish mercenary media men, or immature stupid fans, i think this constant and extreme personal attacks on him are deplorable. in fact, even if he is guilty of all that the media have alleged, its still deplorable - this is a player that represents us and the dignity of our country, and who has performed for us, no matter how rarely.

either way, he's a human being and wears the green cap, and for that he deserves at least a modicum of civility.

 

[Shaheerthe2nd]

Brother, this is not one-way traffic. You need to base your claim.
If you can't present conclusive stats to back your claim that his technique is questionable, then I'd suggest just be a spectator.

Why stats?

Just look at him play against the pacers to see if his technique questionable or not.

 

[Black Zero]

theres two things i dont understand about this thread.

1) why is malik being compared to batting superstars? or even very good batsmen. anwars stats if nothing else demonstrate that he has a utility, and even scrubbed in whichever ways you want, its undeniable that he has a utility. its irrelevant whether he'll ever be as good as inzi, or yousuf or younis. what is relevant is if there are dependable batsmen who he's keeping out of the team. and the criteria for selection isnt only talent, it ends up being a mixture of talent, discipline, fitness, experience and how much he fits in the team.

i dont think malik is the most talented batsman that pakistan has produced, but given current politics and options, i dont know of many who are clear forerunners to him. there just isnt a bradman he's keeping out of the squad.

2) why are so many people making it so personal? if you dont think hes good enough to be in the team, isnt it enough to say that? why vilify him, insult him and make him out to be malevolent?

im agnostic to whether he's in the team or not, but i think its really terribly poor form that he is ridiculed and hated with such vigour, and suspect some of this is a self fulfilling prophecy of vulturous gossip mongers, rather than based on truth.

what i know as fact is that every interview ive personally seen of him, he has come across as very humble, well mannered and respectful. i recall that at the time the the captaincy was thrust upon him, he absolutely did not pine for it, like younis, and unlike afridi and yousuf.

what i was told by an ex player who had iftar at my apartment last ramadan was that he used to be very close to yousuf, but that they grew apart once he was made captain, and yousuf took exception to not being informed of decisions, and the such like.

now perhaps malik changed completely, and became manipulative and power crazed, although this flies in the face of two observations: 1) the fact that he only came out in the public to play politics once yousuf forced his hand this year and 2) he has never stated that he has wanted captaincy, in fact, he has stated the opposite.

what i suspect, from the person who knew him personally and from interviews ive seen of him, and from what we are told about the pcb, is that when he was given the captaincy, he was put into an extraordinarily difficult position, like most of our captains have been. he would i suspect, have had to pander to the last minute unprofessional whims of the board, and at the same time attempt to extract some semblance of authority amongst his team mates, culturally famous for their ego and inflated self importance, whilst taking on the role of the fall guy for board decisions which he would have to suffer for on the pitch.

its no wonder that people like him, and younis end up with reputations for being aloof. how else do you end up telling a close friend on the morning of a match that theyre not playing, when you know they should be playing, but have had your hand forced by management? im not saying that this happened, but i know, again from conversations with an ex player, that this type of thing would be typical, certainly of past boards, and i suspect the present one.

if team mates then become disgruntled, and begin to complain to each other, and this leads to leaks to the press, its very understandable how it all snow balls out of control, and a player who may have been perfectly genuine and even potentially very talented, ends up with his confidence, reputation and dignity dragged through the mud.

again, i dont know whats happened in the team dressing rooms over the years for sure, but just on the off chance that malik has been victim of disgusting character assasination, based on gossip rather than fact, by whorish mercenary media men, or immature stupid fans, i think this constant and extreme personal attacks on him are deplorable. in fact, even if he is guilty of all that the media have alleged, its still deplorable - this is a player that represents us and the dignity of our country, and who has performed for us, no matter how rarely.

either way, he's a human being and wears the green cap, and for that he deserves at least a modicum of civility.

Nice post.

 

[Black Zero]

Why stats?

Just look at him play against the pacers to see if his technique questionable or not.

Just look at us!

 

[Black Zero]

I am not a stats man

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Sultan Yusuf]

I'm pretty sure anwaar is trolling here. The reason it's not so clear is because he has put so
Much time and effort into stats, drawing graphs etc.

So even as trolls go, he's right up there with the saddest of the lot. Anyone who expects to be taken seriously after those opener stats is just playing you all. Furthermore what's just as sad is that some posters are seriously applauding him while he's probably giggling at your naivety

 

[taaveez]

I think Malik lovers who are crying foul should understand something. This is an instigative thread - that is, certain Malik supporters post distorted stats to make Malik look better than others. Those appearing to "attack" Malik in return are doing so ultimately in defense.

For example, the data manipulations in the ODI captaincy stats have already been debunked previously, but the Malik lovers continue to scam new visitors into believing by spamming them (the stats).

Previously posted in # 695:

ODI W/L Ratios Against Aus, WI, Ind, SA, Eng, NZ, and SL - that is, excluding minnows like ZIM and BD:

Wasim Akram: 1.27
Imran Khan: 1.23
Inzamam: 1.15
Waqar: 1.04
Malik: 0.92
Miandad: 0.78

The universe of captains is what Anwaar used. I'm sure there are others compared to who Malik has done better on this metric. But, let's keep the argument within the original premise.

 

[Black Zero]

^^ If you already submitted your plea to ICC for nullify those results/status then ball is in ICC's court, can't help much, its official data.

Its Raw and pure data without any manipulation.

 

[taaveez]

^^ And if you already submitted your plea to I Butt to consider Malik for ODI captaincy, then the ball is in PCB's court - otherwise, can't help much, it's a type of world called reality.

 

[Black Zero]

The reason it's not so clear is because he has put so
Much time and effort into stats, drawing graphs etc.

There are couple more in previous pages and expect more to come in coming days.

 

[Black Zero]

^^ And if you already submitted your plea to I Butt to consider Malik for ODI captaincy, then the ball is in PCB's court - otherwise, can't help much, it's a type of world called reality.

SM is not interested in captaincy!

 

[insaaniyat]

theres two things i dont understand about this thread.

1) why is malik being compared to batting superstars? or even very good batsmen. anwars stats if nothing else demonstrate that he has a utility, and even scrubbed in whichever ways you want, its undeniable that he has a utility. its irrelevant whether he'll ever be as good as inzi, or yousuf or younis. what is relevant is if there are dependable batsmen who he's keeping out of the team. and the criteria for selection isnt only talent, it ends up being a mixture of talent, discipline, fitness, experience and how much he fits in the team.

i dont think malik is the most talented batsman that pakistan has produced, but given current politics and options, i dont know of many who are clear forerunners to him. there just isnt a bradman he's keeping out of the squad.

2) why are so many people making it so personal? if you dont think hes good enough to be in the team, isnt it enough to say that? why vilify him, insult him and make him out to be malevolent?

im agnostic to whether he's in the team or not, but i think its really terribly poor form that he is ridiculed and hated with such vigour, and suspect some of this is a self fulfilling prophecy of vulturous gossip mongers, rather than based on truth.

what i know as fact is that every interview ive personally seen of him, he has come across as very humble, well mannered and respectful. i recall that at the time the the captaincy was thrust upon him, he absolutely did not pine for it, like younis, and unlike afridi and yousuf.

what i was told by an ex player who had iftar at my apartment last ramadan was that he used to be very close to yousuf, but that they grew apart once he was made captain, and yousuf took exception to not being informed of decisions, and the such like.

now perhaps malik changed completely, and became manipulative and power crazed, although this flies in the face of two observations: 1) the fact that he only came out in the public to play politics once yousuf forced his hand this year and 2) he has never stated that he has wanted captaincy, in fact, he has stated the opposite.

what i suspect, from the person who knew him personally and from interviews ive seen of him, and from what we are told about the pcb, is that when he was given the captaincy, he was put into an extraordinarily difficult position, like most of our captains have been. he would i suspect, have had to pander to the last minute unprofessional whims of the board, and at the same time attempt to extract some semblance of authority amongst his team mates, culturally famous for their ego and inflated self importance, whilst taking on the role of the fall guy for board decisions which he would have to suffer for on the pitch.

its no wonder that people like him, and younis end up with reputations for being aloof. how else do you end up telling a close friend on the morning of a match that theyre not playing, when you know they should be playing, but have had your hand forced by management? im not saying that this happened, but i know, again from conversations with an ex player, that this type of thing would be typical, certainly of past boards, and i suspect the present one.

if team mates then become disgruntled, and begin to complain to each other, and this leads to leaks to the press, its very understandable how it all snow balls out of control, and a player who may have been perfectly genuine and even potentially very talented, ends up with his confidence, reputation and dignity dragged through the mud.

again, i dont know whats happened in the team dressing rooms over the years for sure, but just on the off chance that malik has been victim of disgusting character assasination, based on gossip rather than fact, by whorish mercenary media men, or immature stupid fans, i think this constant and extreme personal attacks on him are deplorable. in fact, even if he is guilty of all that the media have alleged, its still deplorable - this is a player that represents us and the dignity of our country, and who has performed for us, no matter how rarely.

either way, he's a human being and wears the green cap, and for that he deserves at least a modicum of civility.

yes Mostly I see YK fans insulting him

 

[hashbb]

What happened to Injured malik thread?

 

[iafzal]

seems like a hoax

cheetah is going to play after all

 

[Monsee]

Thanks for the clarification.

At least I have clarified my point of view and shared the logic I use to come to a conclusion i.e. Malik is a rubbish Test Player and barring some super miracle, will remain so at test level (even T20 is not his cup of tea no more)...and I have used the most accurate tool for that purpose i.e. my brain!

You on the other hand, just like your beloved Malik, are unsure of what good can come out of these statistical tabulations and graphs (as in bits-n-pieces effort and results)...nothing can change the fact that Malik was rubbish before you went in to over drive with your futile statistical gup saazi in a bid to prove otherwise...and will remain so.

Problem is: Once he plays another test on this tour...his rubbish talent will be exposed once and for all (barring some super miracle)!

Go on with your castles in the air...