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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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YousafTheBeast said:
You can’t be a total numpty if you’re smashing Australia’s best bowling attack out of the ground in 3 consecutive games in their back garden. When was the last time we had a player do that in Australia?
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The guy is useless and You are living in the past. We have 2 good openers that give us good stats and starts, and the problem lies with a poor middle order. Don't fix things that aren't broke.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Would Babar and Rizwan get into the England xi, absolutely not. They’re not good enough to play for England so why should they be good enough for Pakistan? Why are we settling for less when we can keep looking for better?

If we want to compete against the best then we have to bring in players that can match the England players.

P.s we’re talking about T20’s only
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Babar would get in the team ahead of malan and Morgan
Shaheen would also get the in the team.

Will maqsood get in the team NO!
Will hafeez get in the team NO!
 
I think if these players who have been tried fail then surely malik should make a come back.
 
shamaan said:
Babar would get in the team ahead of malan and Morgan
Shaheen would also get the in the team.

Will maqsood get in the team NO!
Will hafeez get in the team NO!
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Malan isn’t the first choice opener, they have 3 players ahead of Malan. Is Babar better than Roy, Bairstow and Buttler, a big fat no.

Morgan bats at 4/5 why are you comparing him to Babar who opens? Two completely different roles. Would Babar get into the England team as a number 4 batsman, absolutely not.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Malan isn’t the first choice opener, they have 3 players ahead of Malan. Is Babar better than Roy, Bairstow and Buttler, a big fat no.

Morgan bats at 4/5 why are you comparing him to Babar who opens? Two completely different roles. Would Babar get into the England team as a number 4 batsman, absolutely not.
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Who said he is the first choice opener.he has batted 24 times at 3 but yet you talk about opening as you and me know what Babar Is a much better player than malan at 3
 
In this T20 WC, I will take Malik any day over Shadab or Usman Qadir or Faheem Ashraf or Saud Shakeel etc.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
The only thing that goes in Malik's favour is the fact that the WC is in the UAE where he bats very well.

After the many failures of the 'other options' Misbah will play it safe and select Malik.

Knowing Misbah he will play it safe in the end so that the media won't be able to blame him.
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To be fair to Misbah they have tried everything possible to move on from Malik. He returns by default, not because he was ever the preferred option.
 
Any person who has watched Pakistan's middle order over the last few series would understand the importance of Malik.

There is a simple fix in my opinion: drop Sohaib Maqsood down to 6, Malik comes in at 3 with Hafeez at 4.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Any person who has watched Pakistan's middle order over the last few series would understand the importance of Malik.

There is a simple fix in my opinion: drop Sohaib Maqsood down to 6, Malik comes in at 3 with Hafeez at 4.
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Lol, no. 3 will be the worst position for Shoaib Malik to bat. At this age he's average against pace bowling. In case first wicket fells down in the first or second over, he will have to play opening fast bowlers.

If he has to play, number 5 is his best position or may be at no 4 if openers don't get out early. He should be the one facing most of the spin bowling in the middle overs.
 
Despite the unlimited opportunities he has received. There is a spot for him in this Pakistan T20 squad for the upcoming WC specially with the touney in UAE on spinner pitches.
 
Including shoeb malik in the team..middle order will be strong...shoeb Malik is good accumulater of runs and he can hit sixes at will..and he can bowl too...
 
Kaddy said:
Lol, no. 3 will be the worst position for Shoaib Malik to bat. At this age he's average against pace bowling. In case first wicket fells down in the first or second over, he will have to play opening fast bowlers.

If he has to play, number 5 is his best position or may be at no 4 if openers don't get out early. He should be the one facing most of the spin bowling in the middle overs.
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The bowl won't do much in UAE I would bat him at 3 a series before the world cup.
 
Been on-board the Shoaib Malik support train since last year when he was dropped from the T20 team for no good reason. And a year of Pakistan giving chances to basically every batsman under the sun has only strengthened his case for a return to the T20 side.

And to his credit, he also did very well in the PSL, so its not like people can say he hasn't earned a comeback.
 
1 Mohammad Rizwan
2 Babar Azam
3 Shoaib Malik
4 Mohammad Hafeez
5 Sohaib Maqsood
6 Shadab Khan
7 Imad Wasim
8 Fahim Ashraf
9 Hassan Ali
10 Shaheen Afridi
11 Haris Rauf


Best Playing 11 for World Cup
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Been on-board the Shoaib Malik support train since last year when he was dropped from the T20 team for no good reason. And a year of Pakistan giving chances to basically every batsman under the sun has only strengthened his case for a return to the T20 side.

And to his credit, he also did very well in the PSL, so its not like people can say he hasn't earned a comeback.
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The only argument our fans will make against his inclusion is that he is 40.

Statistically, and logically, there is no reason to exclude Shoaib Malik from the team given the standard of players we are giving chances to.

His inclusion makes sense in more ways than people can actually comprehend.

Firstly. he came in at #3 in the PSL, the exact position where Sohaib Maqsood is playing, and the position where he hasn't produced any results yet. I will rest my final judgement on Maqsood when the tour of the West Indies concludes because those conditions are more likely to replicate UAE pitches.

Malik is among one of the only players in the world to have 10,000 T20 runs and many of them in different places around the globe. He has played against some of the world's best in the format, and that experience is invaluable when compared with someone like Hafeez, who has played literally half of what Malik has done in the T20s throughout his career. He is experienced and reliable, two luxuries we don't have in our middle-order at the moment.

Now, when it comes to playing and reading spin, I don't think there's anyone in Pakistan who can do the job better than Malik. He plays spin beautifully, it's what he has built his game around, coming on during the middle overs and keeping the runs flowing. Had Malik been on that pitch against Moeen, Rashid, and Parkinson, he would have really pushed our score along to something we could have defended.

Now, Malik is a very reliable fielder, he is very fit and athletic. He's not like one of our usual fielders who run around like salmon out of the water.

And lastly, in a situation where your main bowlers are being hit, Malik gives you an option to bowl one or two overs without getting belted around. That is invaluable in T20s, because it gives the captain the much needed flexibility with players who are renowned scatter-guns.

I don't see any logical argument to exclude Malik apart from what fans might personally feel.
 
UzmanBeast said:
The only argument our fans will make against his inclusion is that he is 40.

Statistically, and logically, there is no reason to exclude Shoaib Malik from the team given the standard of players we are giving chances to.

His inclusion makes sense in more ways than people can actually comprehend.

Firstly. he came in at #3 in the PSL, the exact position where Sohaib Maqsood is playing, and the position where he hasn't produced any results yet. I will rest my final judgement on Maqsood when the tour of the West Indies concludes because those conditions are more likely to replicate UAE pitches.

Malik is among one of the only players in the world to have 10,000 T20 runs and many of them in different places around the globe. He has played against some of the world's best in the format, and that experience is invaluable when compared with someone like Hafeez, who has played literally half of what Malik has done in the T20s throughout his career. He is experienced and reliable, two luxuries we don't have in our middle-order at the moment.

Now, when it comes to playing and reading spin, I don't think there's anyone in Pakistan who can do the job better than Malik. He plays spin beautifully, it's what he has built his game around, coming on during the middle overs and keeping the runs flowing. Had Malik been on that pitch against Moeen, Rashid, and Parkinson, he would have really pushed our score along to something we could have defended.

Now, Malik is a very reliable fielder, he is very fit and athletic. He's not like one of our usual fielders who run around like salmon out of the water.

And lastly, in a situation where your main bowlers are being hit, Malik gives you an option to bowl one or two overs without getting belted around. That is invaluable in T20s, because it gives the captain the much needed flexibility with players who are renowned scatter-guns.

I don't see any logical argument to exclude Malik apart from what fans might personally feel.
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In just Pakistan? I'd say Malik is one of the best players of spin in the world. Chahal even said that he had more trouble bowling to Malik than he did to Steve Smith.

And I couldn't agree more with everything you said. For his age Malik is a terrific athlete who can contribute in just about every area. Additionally I would say that Malik is a versatile batsman who can bat just as well at 5 or 6 as he can at 3 or 4. People conveniently seem to forget that he was an integral element of the side during our ascent to the #1 T20 Ranking, who regularly played crucial knocks at 5/6. Then Misbah came on and for some reason decided that he and Hafeez needed to be replaced by Shehzad and Umar Akmal. We all know that turned out.

And even if one was to make the case that he struggles in conditions that favor swing or bounce, you simply cannot deny that he is indispensable for a T20 tournament in the UAE. Even if he is not selected for the T20 series in the run-up to the World Cup, it would be sheer lunacy to leave him out of the World Cup squad.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
In just Pakistan? I'd say Malik is one of the best players of spin in the world. Chahal even said that he had more trouble bowling to Malik than he did to Steve Smith.

And I couldn't agree more with everything you said. For his age Malik is a terrific athlete who can contribute in just about every area. Additionally I would say that Malik is a versatile batsman who can bat just as well at 5 or 6 as he can at 3 or 4. People conveniently seem to forget that he was an integral element of the side during our ascent to the #1 T20 Ranking, who regularly played crucial knocks at 5/6. Then Misbah came on and for some reason decided that he and Hafeez needed to be replaced by Shehzad and Umar Akmal. We all know that turned out.

And even if one was to make the case that he struggles in conditions that favor swing or bounce, you simply cannot deny that he is indispensable for a T20 tournament in the UAE. Even if he is not selected for the T20 series in the run-up to the World Cup, it would be sheer lunacy to leave him out of the World Cup squad.
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Agreed.

People fail to understand the limited talent pool in Pakistan where players like Azam Khan are being selected without any respectable level of experience that demonstrates their consistency at the role.

I would not care if Malik was dropped for subsequent series, he said it himself that after the T20 World Cup, he will retire.

His versatility, his experience, his fitness, his batting, and his bowling all outweigh the potential concerns of his selection.
 
Shoaib Malik just toying with Imad Wasim in the KPL.

If he doesn’t get picked for the WT20 in conditions that are suited to him then Mohammad Wasim will go down as the dumbest chief selector in Pakistan history.
 
Considering Malik’s form and the UAE conditions, it would be unbelievably dumb to leave him out especially when you factor in our pathetic our middle-order is.

However, you cannot put it past Wasim who is a spectacularly incompetent selector.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Shoaib Malik just toying with Imad Wasim in the KPL.

If he doesn’t get picked for the WT20 in conditions that are suited to him then Mohammad Wasim will go down as the dumbest chief selector in Pakistan history.
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I think SM has already been informed that he is not part of the WC plans.

He was somewhat bitter and disappointed in one of his recent statements where he sorta went after Misbah.

Personally, for this WC, I would take SM over quite a few of the current players in the team.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Shoaib Malik just toying with Imad Wasim in the KPL.

If he doesn’t get picked for the WT20 in conditions that are suited to him then Mohammad Wasim will go down as the dumbest chief selector in Pakistan history.
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3 sixes.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
I think SM has already been informed that he is not part of the WC plans.

He was somewhat bitter and disappointed in one of his recent statements where he sorta went after Misbah.

Personally, for this WC, I would take SM over quite a few of the current players in the team.
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I think he still has a chance because Misbah has zero influence on the selections. We know this because he’d never pick an overweight player like Azam Khan who hasn’t done anything special to get selected.

Also, Babar Azam and Shoaib Malik are good mates. I’m sure Babar will do everything in his capacity to get Shoaib Malik into the WT20 squad.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
I think he still has a chance because Misbah has zero influence on the selections. We know this because he’d never pick an overweight player like Azam Khan who hasn’t done anything special to get selected.

Also, Babar Azam and Shoaib Malik are good mates. I’m sure Babar will do everything in his capacity to get Shoaib Malik into the WT20 squad.
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Malik is also very close friends with Wasim Akram who on the surface doesn’t have any selection role but I guess he may have some influence.

I think M Wasim has crossed out Malik’s name for the WC probables too but he diesnf say it openly due Malik’s connections with Baber and Akram. He had no reservations to throw Imad Wasim under the bus in a public statement by saying that “Imad has some limitations.”

May be someone could ask M Wasim “if YOU have any limitations?”

However, I still wonder what sound experience and a proven tract record of making a difference does M Wasim have as a selector, to be placed on this position?

Did someone at PCB watch a few episodes of “game on hai” and got impressed by M Wasim?
 
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He should be in the squad for the world Cup due to his experience and playing of spin bowling
 
Can the mods make a list of those who didn’t want Malik in the team. I have a feeling it’s a long one too😂

Imagine backing players like Khushdil and Azam Khan over Malik, SMH
 
He was Pakistan’s greatest captain. Playing a true captain’s knock at the end there.
 
Mamoon said:
Considering Malik’s form and the UAE conditions, it would be unbelievably dumb to leave him out especially when you factor in our pathetic our middle-order is.

However, you cannot put it past Wasim who is a spectacularly incompetent selector.
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Spot on Mamoon shb. Well done selectors to get it right.
 
He's not a classic batsman by any means, but he finds a way to get it done. Pakistan don't have genuine world class batsmen apart from Rizwan and Babar, that is why the likes of Malik and Hafeez are still in the side approaching the age of 40. Still showing the pretenders how it should be done.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shoaib Malik today:<br><br>1 2 1 1 6 1 1 2 2 . 2 6 1 6 6 4 6 6<br><br>Runs 54<br>Balls faced 18<br>Strike rate 300<br>Sixes 6<br>Fours 1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSCO?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSCO</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1457373539187703820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="de" dir="ltr">Fastest 50s in T20Is for Pakistan:<br><br>Shoaib Malik 18 balls today versus Scotland<br>Umar Akmal 21 balls versus Australia in 2010<br>Umar Akmal 22 balls versus New Zealand in 2016<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1457380962602561543?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Highlights of his knock today:

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UzmanBeast said:
[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

We ask and he delivers.
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Hate to be that guy. But its funny how he is doing exactly the things we said he would do. While others couldn't stop talking about how he was finished.

And today was just a master class in power-hitting against spin.
 
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I remember that not too long ago, certain posters here were using Malik's CPL form as a reason for not selecting him for the T20 World Cup. Not his form in the last PSL (half of which was held in the UAE) where he performed brilliantly...not his form for Pakistan in T20Is in the last four years, but rather his form in the Caribbean Premier League.

I'm just glad those posters don't have any role in Pakistan's national team selection
 
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Ironically it was an Indian poster who raised a thread insisting Malik was the real deal. freelance cricketer I think he was called, don't see him posting much these days unless he's got a new ID.

Malik isn't the flashiest batsman, but he's smart and knows how to win games. And he can hit BIG when he wants to. This isn't some ability he just developed overnight, he's been doing this for a long time.
 
People gotta realize why Malik has been around for 22 years. He is good at what he does. He is still extremely fit for his age, and can still time the ball well. The selectors know what his role is and they pick him just for that.
 
Malik the man the myth the legend vs Scotland part time dibbly dobblers.

Malik vs Australia?

:hafeez
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Hate to be that guy. But its funny how he is doing exactly the things we said he would do. While others couldn't stop talking about how he was finished.

And today was just a master class in power-hitting against spin.
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Since his debut till now, Pakistan is yet to produce someone as good against spin than Shoaib Malik.

The only thing preventing this team from being the best possible is Fakhar Zaman.

My personal views are that there are enough other match-winners in the team, I'd rather get Haider there to assure that there's runs coming from that position.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Since his debut till now, Pakistan is yet to produce someone as good against spin than Shoaib Malik.

The only thing preventing this team from being the best possible is Fakhar Zaman.

My personal views are that there are enough other match-winners in the team, I'd rather get Haider there to assure that there's runs coming from that position.
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I don't agree. Fakhar Zaman is a match-winner and needs to be backed as such. He might not have been able to find form in the tournament thus far but we all know what he is capable of. All he needs is one good innings to get is confidence back. I am confident that he will deliver for Pakistan when the chips are down.

Also feel it would be incredibly unfair to Haider Ali (who hasn't even played a warm-up) to thrust him with the responsibility of delivering in a semi-final match at No.3. The chances of that experiment ending badly and haunting Haider for years to come are far more significant.

Unless there is (God forbid) an injury, I don't see any reason to make changes because this is the best eleven we have out of all 18 players.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't agree. Fakhar Zaman is a match-winner and needs to be backed as such. He might not have been able to find form in the tournament thus far but we all know what he is capable of. All he needs is one good innings to get is confidence back. I am confident that he will deliver for Pakistan when the chips are down.

Also feel it would be incredibly unfair to Haider Ali (who hasn't even played a warm-up) to thrust him with the responsibility of delivering in a semi-final match at No.3. The chances of that experiment ending badly and haunting Haider for years to come are far more significant.

Unless there is (God forbid) an injury, I don't see any reason to make changes because this is the best eleven we have out of all 18 players.
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Could you care to explain exactly what makes Fakhar a "match winner" if we take out his ONE innings that he played against India in 2017 Final?

IMO, the very basic criteria on how to measure the quality of a player being a "match winner" or an "impact player", is to see how many times he has won the man of the match award.

How many innings has Fakhar played and how many times he has received MoM?

I think the answer should shed more light on the mystery, and we can get into a better position to move forward. Agree?

I mean, I am not against his inclusion in the team and I also acknowledge that his past record in UAE is not as bad as it is on other countries but I am opened to be convinced as to why he is given that much of a leverage?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't agree. Fakhar Zaman is a match-winner and needs to be backed as such. He might not have been able to find form in the tournament thus far but we all know what he is capable of. All he needs is one good innings to get is confidence back. I am confident that he will deliver for Pakistan when the chips are down.

Also feel it would be incredibly unfair to Haider Ali (who hasn't even played a warm-up) to thrust him with the responsibility of delivering in a semi-final match at No.3. The chances of that experiment ending badly and haunting Haider for years to come are far more significant.

Unless there is (God forbid) an injury, I don't see any reason to make changes because this is the best eleven we have out of all 18 players.
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Would you agree with pushing Fakhar down the order, and allowing Hafeez/Malik to face the spinners up front?

I think that if Fakhar wants to go out with all guns blazing, he should come in at #4.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Would you agree with pushing Fakhar down the order, and allowing Hafeez/Malik to face the spinners up front?

I think that if Fakhar wants to go out with all guns blazing, he should come in at #4.
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Such a thing can be done given the situation of the match. But then again, what would be the point of having Fakhar in the batting order if he is not being used as the hard-hitting top order batsman that he is?

I get that he has struggled against spin in this tournament and I also get that he has a tendency to hole out to deep mid-wicket playing that favorite shot of his against the spinners. But I just don't think you will get his confidence back (or the best out of him) by demoting him. Hafeez is perfectly suited for No.4 imo and Australia only really have one spinner in Zampa. It's going to be Australia's pacers that will be the biggest challenge to contend with because Zampa, no matter how good he does will only have 4 overs.

There's a time and a place for everything and I think sometimes you just have to place your faith in certain players and hope they will step-up for the team. Fakhar has stepped-up for Pakistan a number of times in the past in tough, pressure situations and we should hope he does the same against Australia.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
And [MENTION=144720]Shoaibbtt[/MENTION] wanted Azam Khan over Malik - lol
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When did i say i wanted Azam Khan over Malik?????

Many of the people i have spoken to were against Malik being in the team, you have to give someone like Haider Ali a chance otherwise when will you???

We can't keep relying on Hafeez and Malik for our entire life, it's time we give youngsters a chance. Malik has performed fantastic, good on him but after this WC he has to be an after thought and youngsters (regardless of them failing or not) must be given chances and whether that be Azam Khan/Khushdil Shah/Sohaib Moqsood/Kamran Ghulam etc.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
When did i say i wanted Azam Khan over Malik?????

Many of the people i have spoken to were against Malik being in the team, you have to give someone like Haider Ali a chance otherwise when will you???

We can't keep relying on Hafeez and Malik for our entire life, it's time we give youngsters a chance. Malik has performed fantastic, good on him but after this WC he has to be an after thought and youngsters (regardless of them failing or not) must be given chances and whether that be Azam Khan/Khushdil Shah/Sohaib Moqsood/Kamran Ghulam etc.
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I may have been paraphrasing but you were justifying Azam Khan’s selection because he performed in the CPL and Malik didn’t. You can find it in the chief selectors thread.

Age shouldn’t be a factor in selection for T20’s. Shahid Afridi was touching 40 when he won us the WT20 in 2009. It’s a T20, not some kind of marathon.

Let the youngsters play Tests and ODI’s. Simple.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
I may have been paraphrasing but you were justifying Azam Khan’s selection because he performed in the CPL and Malik didn’t. You can find it in the chief selectors thread.

Age shouldn’t be a factor in selection for T20’s. Shahid Afridi was touching 40 when he won us the WT20 in 2009. It’s a T20, not some kind of marathon.

Let the youngsters play Tests and ODI’s. Simple.
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Oh my God seriously smh. Azam didn't do well in the CPL, i did advocate for Hafeez over Malik as they are both the same type of player and i said i'd pick Hafeez because of the edge he gives with his bowling. Well done to Malik but a youngster must be given a shot at some point and i'm far from impressed that he hasn't opted out of the Bangladesh tour but provided Pak win the cup inshAllah who knows he might call it quits and end his career on a high.

What on earth are you talking about???? Afridi was not 40 in 2009. T20 is a young guy format and as such youngsters should be given a go.

If you watch Pakistan tests you'd know that this playing XI is pretty much settled and unless you are an opener you can't get in, the demand for any drastic changes to our test side is currently not desired. Our ODI side on the other hand does require some players in the middle order and perhaps we can look towards another opener.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Oh my God seriously smh. Azam didn't do well in the CPL, i did advocate for Hafeez over Malik as they are both the same type of player and i said i'd pick Hafeez because of the edge he gives with his bowling. Well done to Malik but a youngster must be given a shot at some point and i'm far from impressed that he hasn't opted out of the Bangladesh tour but provided Pak win the cup inshAllah who knows he might call it quits and end his career on a high.

What on earth are you talking about???? Afridi was not 40 in 2009. T20 is a young guy format and as such youngsters should be given a go.

If you watch Pakistan tests you'd know that this playing XI is pretty much settled and unless you are an opener you can't get in, the demand for any drastic changes to our test side is currently not desired. Our ODI side on the other hand does require some players in the middle order and perhaps we can look towards another opener.
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You literally said, “Azam Khan is in good 6 hitting form”.

Why should a youngster be given a shot over someone that’s still performing? That’s not how it works. If Malik is performing (which he was) for Pakistan then why should he quit? There’s not one youngster that can replace Shoaib Malik right now.

I said touching 40, not literally 40. Is Rohit Sharma a young guy to you? What about Guptil, Finch and Warner? Are they youngsters?

Ifthikar Ahmed is probably the same age as Malik but you want him as your finisher? So would I but, you’re contradicting yourself here.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
You literally said, “Azam Khan is in good 6 hitting form”.

Why should a youngster be given a shot over someone that’s still performing? That’s not how it works. If Malik is performing (which he was) for Pakistan then why should he quit? There’s not one youngster that can replace Shoaib Malik right now.

I said touching 40, not literally 40. Is Rohit Sharma a young guy to you? What about Guptil, Finch and Warner? Are they youngsters?

Ifthikar Ahmed is probably the same age as Malik but you want him as your finisher? So would I but, you’re contradicting yourself here.
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Afridi was prob early 30s in 2009. Nowhere near 40

Why would you want the likes of malik to be dragged out to the point where in the end they will cost pakistan like for eg gayle and bravo have cost WI in this tourney because they are well past it

Great malik was picked on a horses for courses for this tourney but hes a limited player and doesnt have a future at 40 esp when the next tourney is somewhere like australia wheres hes a multiple failure

Its always best to move on players gracefully rather than pack them off disgracefully
 
Zaz said:
Afridi was prob early 30s in 2009. Nowhere near 40

Why would you want the likes of malik to be dragged out to the point where in the end they will cost pakistan like for eg gayle and bravo have cost WI in this tourney because they are well past it

Great malik was picked on a horses for courses for this tourney but hes a limited player and doesnt have a future at 40 esp when the next tourney is somewhere like australia wheres hes a multiple failure

Its always best to move on players gracefully rather than pack them off disgracefully
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Regardless, he was still winning games for Pakistan when he was 40+ and out performing the youngsta beauties. Also, Afridi retired in 2016, are you saying he was 38-40 when he retired?

Gayle isn’t fit, Malik is.

Bravo is a trundler plus he doesn’t contribute with bat.

If Malik is performing in the games leading up to the next WT20, you cannot drop him because the conditions don’t suit him. Everyone knows that Malik struggles against pace, but if he’s winning you games then what can you do. Similarly, everyone knows that Rizwan and Babar shouldn’t be opening together, but because they’re performing, we can’t do much about it.
 
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Context is important. Although he was excellent against both Afghanistan and Scotland. Lets not forget it was Afghanistan and Scotland.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
You literally said, “Azam Khan is in good 6 hitting form”.

Why should a youngster be given a shot over someone that’s still performing? That’s not how it works. If Malik is performing (which he was) for Pakistan then why should he quit? There’s not one youngster that can replace Shoaib Malik right now.

I said touching 40, not literally 40. Is Rohit Sharma a young guy to you? What about Guptil, Finch and Warner? Are they youngsters?

Ifthikar Ahmed is probably the same age as Malik but you want him as your finisher? So would I but, you’re contradicting yourself here.
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I think you are broken. Speak to someone else dude.

Malik isn't going to be around forever, you have to give youngsters chances regardless if they fail or pass.

Everyone has to start somewhere just like Chakarvaty in this year's T20 cup otherwise how are you expected to build experience?

I swear some of you guys on here are broken, bitter and just not willing to give chances to anyone. It's frankly moronic to criticise someone after every innings they play. You guys are worse than the Pak journalists.
 
Zaz said:
Afridi was prob early 30s in 2009. Nowhere near 40

Why would you want the likes of malik to be dragged out to the point where in the end they will cost pakistan like for eg gayle and bravo have cost WI in this tourney because they are well past it

Great malik was picked on a horses for courses for this tourney but hes a limited player and doesnt have a future at 40 esp when the next tourney is somewhere like australia wheres hes a multiple failure

Its always best to move on players gracefully rather than pack them off disgracefully
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Thank you, someone sane is left.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
I think you are broken. Speak to someone else dude.

Malik isn't going to be around forever, you have to give youngsters chances regardless if they fail or pass.

Everyone has to start somewhere just like Chakarvaty in this year's T20 cup otherwise how are you expected to build experience?

I swear some of you guys on here are broken, bitter and just not willing to give chances to anyone. It's frankly moronic to criticise someone after every innings they play. You guys are worse than the Pak journalists.
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Me? You spent months making 3 pages long essays on why Malik shouldn’t have been picked for the WT20 in UAE. And, justified Azam Khan’s selection because he was in “6 hitting form”.

Yes, let’s play youngsters (who haven’t proven themselves even in domestic cricket) in a major tournament over experienced players who were performing in domestic cricket. What an idiot.

Erm, Chakarvarty was picked based on his IPL season, wasn’t he? Also, don’t know why you’re using him as an example, how many wickets did he take?

What’s worse is criticising a player whose been performing well in T20’s for the past 4 years but one bad season in the CPL and he’s not good enough.

Honestly, I don’t think you’d even make it as a Pakistani sports journalist.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Such a thing can be done given the situation of the match. But then again, what would be the point of having Fakhar in the batting order if he is not being used as the hard-hitting top order batsman that he is?

I get that he has struggled against spin in this tournament and I also get that he has a tendency to hole out to deep mid-wicket playing that favorite shot of his against the spinners. But I just don't think you will get his confidence back (or the best out of him) by demoting him. Hafeez is perfectly suited for No.4 imo and Australia only really have one spinner in Zampa. It's going to be Australia's pacers that will be the biggest challenge to contend with because Zampa, no matter how good he does will only have 4 overs.

There's a time and a place for everything and I think sometimes you just have to place your faith in certain players and hope they will step-up for the team. Fakhar has stepped-up for Pakistan a number of times in the past in tough, pressure situations and we should hope he does the same against Australia.
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Yes, we can certainly hope.

Are Australia playing Ashton Agar in this WC? He was a decent spinner from what I saw.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Me? You spent months making 3 pages long essays on why Malik shouldn’t have been picked for the WT20 in UAE. And, justified Azam Khan’s selection because he was in “6 hitting form”.

Yes, let’s play youngsters (who haven’t proven themselves even in domestic cricket) in a major tournament over experienced players who were performing in domestic cricket. What an idiot.

Erm, Chakarvarty was picked based on his IPL season, wasn’t he? Also, don’t know why you’re using him as an example, how many wickets did he take?

What’s worse is criticising a player whose been performing well in T20’s for the past 4 years but one bad season in the CPL and he’s not good enough.

Honestly, I don’t think you’d even make it as a Pakistani sports journalist.
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Yep mate get yourself to a repair shop never wrote long passages like half the sad cases here.

This is exactly your problem along with a notable others here that a person has to learn one day or another. If he fails so be it, it's a learning experience. Prepare for tomorrow today is my motto. There is no question someone like Haider Ali couldn't have took Malik's role but i think you are missing my point entirely which is to back youngsters and allow them the time to fail and learn so be it if we lose a series or 2. The t20 format for Pakistan is vastly in demand as is the ODI team as we need middle order batsmen and no requirements are currently needed in tests as we have a very settled playing XI.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Yes, we can certainly hope.

Are Australia playing Ashton Agar in this WC? He was a decent spinner from what I saw.
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Played one game. Was axed for Marsh.

He's decent but not good enough to consistently trouble quality batting line-ups. I reckon Australia are probably better off having three all-rounders in Maxwell, Marsh and Stoinis who they can divide the overs among based on the conditions.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Me? You spent months making 3 pages long essays on why Malik shouldn’t have been picked for the WT20 in UAE. And, justified Azam Khan’s selection because he was in “6 hitting form”.

Yes, let’s play youngsters (who haven’t proven themselves even in domestic cricket) in a major tournament over experienced players who were performing in domestic cricket. What an idiot.

Erm, Chakarvarty was picked based on his IPL season, wasn’t he? Also, don’t know why you’re using him as an example, how many wickets did he take?

What’s worse is criticising a player whose been performing well in T20’s for the past 4 years but one bad season in the CPL and he’s not good enough.

Honestly, I don’t think you’d even make it as a Pakistani sports journalist.
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Your banging your head against a brick wall mate. Some people will never admit that they've been proven wrong even when they have unquestionably and unequivocally been proven wrong.

If we had the same squad that we had initially with the likes of Azam Khan and Khushdil, we would have been home by now. And anyone who can't recognize that is just being bitter.
 
unemployedgm said:
Context is important. Although he was excellent against both Afghanistan and Scotland. Lets not forget it was Afghanistan and Scotland.
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If anyone else could have played the innings that he played (or a better one), they would have played it.

And he was also excellent against New Zealand where held the chase together by being cool, calm and collected at the crease.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't agree. Fakhar Zaman is a match-winner and needs to be backed as such. He might not have been able to find form in the tournament thus far but we all know what he is capable of. All he needs is one good innings to get is confidence back. I am confident that he will deliver for Pakistan when the chips are down.

Also feel it would be incredibly unfair to Haider Ali (who hasn't even played a warm-up) to thrust him with the responsibility of delivering in a semi-final match at No.3. The chances of that experiment ending badly and haunting Haider for years to come are far more significant.

Unless there is (God forbid) an injury, I don't see any reason to make changes because this is the best eleven we have out of all 18 players.
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Fakhar Zaman is ok in t20s he hasn't really lived up to his hype in t20s but he plays clutch innings.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Me? You spent months making 3 pages long essays on why Malik shouldn’t have been picked for the WT20 in UAE. And, justified Azam Khan’s selection because he was in “6 hitting form”.

Yes, let’s play youngsters (who haven’t proven themselves even in domestic cricket) in a major tournament over experienced players who were performing in domestic cricket. What an idiot.

Erm, Chakarvarty was picked based on his IPL season, wasn’t he? Also, don’t know why you’re using him as an example, how many wickets did he take?

What’s worse is criticising a player whose been performing well in T20’s for the past 4 years but one bad season in the CPL and he’s not good enough.

Honestly, I don’t think you’d even make it as a Pakistani sports journalist.
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It was the right decision to play malik in this world cup taking in consideration the conditions and I picked him in my team before the world cup however a younger player should be picked and give a run.
 
I don't agree. Fakhar Zaman is a match-winner and needs to be backed as such. He might not have been able to find form in the tournament thus far but we all know what he is capable of. All he needs is one good innings to get is confidence back. I am confident that he will deliver for Pakistan when the chips are down.

Also feel it would be incredibly unfair to Haider Ali (who hasn't even played a warm-up) to thrust him with the responsibility of delivering in a semi-final match at No.3. The chances of that experiment ending badly and haunting Haider for years to come are far more significant.

Unless there is (God forbid) an injury, I don't see any reason to make changes because this is the best eleven we have out of all 18 players.
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I don't agree. Fakhar Zaman is a match-winner and needs to be backed as such. He might not have been able to find form in the tournament thus far but we all know what he is capable of. All he needs is one good innings to get is confidence back. I am confident that he will deliver for Pakistan when the chips are down.

Also feel it would be incredibly unfair to Haider Ali (who hasn't even played a warm-up) to thrust him with the responsibility of delivering in a semi-final match at No.3. The chances of that experiment ending badly and haunting Haider for years to come are far more significant.

Unless there is (God forbid) an injury, I don't see any reason to make changes because this is the best eleven we have out of all 18 players.
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Oh my ! I am so touched by your fake concern about a Match winner like fakhar who has been getting destroyed. For a change I agree with every word of these two post but I know why did you shy away from hitting the nail right in the head.

Pakistan has criminally wasted his superb form which he amply displayed in SA by first putting him at no.5 and though no.3 is not a bad number but on these type of surfaces he was always going to struggle
against spinner to start off his innings. You and me both know at which Position he should bat and given a
decent run he will outscore the worst batting Partnership in the PP.

At the end of the day Babar and Rizwan are the best batsmen at middle order and Fakhar is Pakistan Match winner opener let me see how many other batters will be destroyed just because these two gentlemen are "Oh so untouchable"
 
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