Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?


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I like him as a person and want him to do well but that innings by Haris has surely ended his ODI career. We'll see if Malik continues to play T20's, but his body language this tournament looked pathetic so who knows if he even has the hunger anymore
 
Yeah yeah, Malik has always been a victim of PCB’s mismanagement and jobbing to senior players. A joke really. The fact is that Malik was bowling with an illegal action and his batting did not have the extra dimension needed for him to warrant playing until the age of 40. Had he been English, they would not pick him at the age of 33. Had he been in the bracket of Root and Pietersen, they would not pick him once he turns 36.

Inzimam was done and dusted at the age of 36 for crying out loud! So what makes this guy feel like he can openly declare that the 2019 World Cup is his actual goal when he retired from Test Cricket?

I am not portraying him as a victim. If I did, I wouldn’t be explicitly pointing out his mistakes. I consider him a tragic figure in Pakistan cricket because he has paid a price not only for his mistake but the mistakes of others around him as well.
 
Would pay for a [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] debate here :snack:

I don’t think there is room for a debate. He won’t change his mind and neither will I, but the point of my post is not to influence the opinions of others when it comes to Malik. My intention was to provide a point of view that considers the bigger picture and the events that have influenced his career. If people want to remember his as a selfish, villainous player who played longer than he should have, well it is up to them really.
 
I am not portraying him as a victim. If I did, I wouldn’t be explicitly pointing out his mistakes. I consider him a tragic figure in Pakistan cricket because he has paid a price not only for his mistake but the mistakes of others around him as well.

mistakes*
 
Let me sum up malik for you.
Between 2003 - 2011 malik on performance was good enough to play for pakistan. But like mamoon said there was alot of politics going on which malik himself was involved in.
If malik and M. yousaf played in the 2011 wc instead of younis and shafiq, i am sure we would have won that wc!
This is were both malik and younis should have retired as world champs, didn't happen!
Malik got married to sania and as a GIFT malik was recalled to the pakistan team! This was stated by the pcb at the time! And we have been stuck with an undeserving malik in the team since.
I advice any player who wants to play for pak to marry a high profile indian lady and you will be set for a place in the pak team!
Hopefully, after this wc malik will retire or the pcb drops this guy who only plays white ball cricket but is on an A category contract! If anyone does not believe malik's position in the pak team is a political decision, then these people are deluded!
 
I am not portraying him as a victim. If I did, I wouldn’t be explicitly pointing out his mistakes. I consider him a tragic figure in Pakistan cricket because he has paid a price not only for his mistake but the mistakes of others around him as well.

Malik himself threw a domestic match and conspired against Younis. So, he should be the last one getting any sympathies for dressing room politics. On top of that, he made a fool of himself when he falsely denied marrying an Indian girl.
 
Malik should never have been called up for the WC, unfortunately it's Pakistan and seniority + politics get priority. Thankfully Haris should take his place for the last 3-5 games of the WC. I hope Don Malik is remembered for his FTB exploits against the mighty Zimbabwe in his return around 2015. :bow:
 
Let me sum up malik for you.
Between 2003 - 2011 malik on performance was good enough to play for pakistan. But like mamoon said there was alot of politics going on which malik himself was involved in.
If malik and M. yousaf played in the 2011 wc instead of younis and shafiq, i am sure we would have won that wc!
This is were both malik and younis should have retired as world champs, didn't happen!
Malik got married to sania and as a GIFT malik was recalled to the pakistan team! This was stated by the pcb at the time! And we have been stuck with an undeserving malik in the team since.
I advice any player who wants to play for pak to marry a high profile indian lady and you will be set for a place in the pak team!
Hopefully, after this wc malik will retire or the pcb drops this guy who only plays white ball cricket but is on an A category contract! If anyone does not believe malik's position in the pak team is a political decision, then these people are deluded!

Tbf, after his recall in 2015, he was amazing, but the last 2 years he has started flopping again. Age catching up with him
 
I always supported (uber) captains by rating them five stars. :p
Poor lad should've retired 6-7 years ago.
 
Check who the opponents were and where the matches were held!
Zimbabwe, SL and WI?

The majority of those matches might have been against minnows but he was still super consistent and scoring crazy runs with very few failures in between, but he's been exposed
 
The amount of time he has been at the depth of obvious retirement and he has been in the last couple of years. The desperation of Pakistan cricket fans on hearing the news of his retirement will be well overdue. Haris and many other batsman at times but unfortunately couldn't cement there places due to one reason or another *cough* seniority *cough*. But we will have to wait and see above all hope that Haris performs well.
 
What makes me angry is these guys know their not good enough and will cost pakistan the chance of winning the wc, but they don't care!
They just want the big fat pay cheque!
They can earn good money from t20 leagues and commentating!
STOP BEING SO SELFISH!
 
Shoaib Malik will only be remembered for cricketing reasons and usage of outside connections instead of cricket performances to stay in the team.

His inclusion will only reflect the corrupted system of that time and a weak unstable pcb where nepotism and corruption dominated.

Really hope those people are exposed who backed him in the Pcb and outside. He is not going alone he has taken merit and lot of deserving players' careers with him like Fawad Alam.
 
EVERYONE needs to realize that they are playing for pakistan. not themselves.

even eoin morgan said if there is a better number 4 in england that can replace him, he will make way.

here we have sub-par useless politicking players hogging. i dont mind if you are hogging a spot, but whats frustrating youre not performing and you still want to take away an opportunity to perform from someone. shows their character.

the way he got out both against australia and india, it was because he was late on the deliveries. his reflexes arent sharp anymore.
 
Malik is close to winning everything there is to win. In two weeks time his medal tally will be complete.

He has a test championship despite being bounced in to retirement on the roads of the UAE.

He has a Champions trophy winners medal despite not making a single contribution.

He has a T20 winners medal after scoring 20s once the games were over.

And now in true Malik fashion he will continue to fail and the ICC will hand him another winners medal.
 
It is a shame for someone who has been with the team for so long end his career on a low note. As humans, we all have our flaws and Malik is no different. He should announce his retirement after the WC and focus on the T20 league circuit. He can still be competitive in that format.
 
If England beat NZ and Pakistan have no chance of qualifying for semis, then I would like to see Malik play the final game if (big if) his international career will be over after the WC

He should play in the last game but in the place of who you might ask yourself. Well I know the answer but the real question is do you? :haris
 
Haris plays or doesnt play? It wont matter anyway

Harris is million times the player shoaib Malik could have ever been. Can't believe this shameless person has actually got supporters. If I was the coach I would have sent him on a donkey back home.
 
Harris is million times the player shoaib Malik could have ever been. Can't believe this shameless person has actually got supporters. If I was the coach I would have sent him on a donkey back home.

And Haris can play all he wants in the future. Play him in all the games in the next pointless bilateral series. I dont care

But the game on Friday? I dont think so..
 
Cant believe we invested 13k post in support of Malik. He is a genius I must say.
 
The last 24 hours begin to tick over.

I think we should all consider the magnitude of the decision taken by the PCB to invest four more years in this legend since 2019.

Has there ever been a greater return on a 4 year investment than 8 runs?
 
I can’t believe he was recalled back in 2015. His career should have ended back in 2009. Hopefully he is kicked out after the World Cup but I fear that he will still play T20s.
 
This is the end of Malik in both ODIs and T20s.

He should not be selected next year for T20 World Cup.
 
But guaranteed he will be.
The man is worth 20 m$ , you can bet he'll juice enough hands.

Please! You’re making it sound like that’s why he always get selected and has conveniently timed hagiographical articles published.

And FYI it’s $30M.
 
I agree.

He’s already cost us a semi-final place. He might as well put the final nail in the coffin.

Malik will play to give us a chance to make up the NRR margin with NZ.

Double ton off 80 balls, end the career on a high in front of cheering MCC members at the Home of Cricket.

Followed by a life size portrait to be hung on the walls of the Long Room.
 
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Time to officially close this thread. A thread that lasted a good decade.

Thanks Malik for all that you have done for Pakistan cricket and thanks for making this world cup memorable by your graceful presence.

Rest in peace ... this thread.
 
Malik will play to give us a chance to make up the NRR margin with NZ.

Double ton off 80 balls, end the career on a high in front of cheering MCC members at the Home of Cricket.

Followed by a life size portrait to be hung on the walls of the Long Room.

I doubt he can top the manner he won us the Champions Trophy.

Do you remember? Bumrah pitched it up and The Maestro lifted it over his head with the most majestic left-handed check drive whilst simultaneously blowing a kiss with his right to Sania in the stands.

Needless to say the ball was never seen again and we had completed our ICC trophy cabinet.
 
What? His Clint Eastwoodesque cool deep stare after he edges to the third man boundary isn't enough to hold on to his spot anymore? C'mon, there's no better experienced player who can play that shot better. Need him in 2023 WC in India
 
Please! Give us break.

There was a time when this guy had some technique and drive. He has been out of touch for years and I dont know what possessed PCB to slect him for anything in the last few years.

Dont take my word for it - there is a Cricinfo article about him; read that.
 
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The biggest winner from the Pak SL series is Shoaib Malik.

This has just sealed his place for the next 2 years.
 
I actually think he was missed here especially in the middle order.
 
If T20 WC is moved to 2021, it could well end his career prematurely?
 
Quite emotional moments for dir hard Shobby fans.

There will never be another Shobby
 
With the likes of Khushdil, Haider being brought through, Malik has to fight for the same spot as Hafeez. Sadly for Shoaib fans, Hafeez is edging him at the moment.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shoaib Malik was involved in a car crash shortly after the PSL Draft. Thankfully he was not injured in the collision with the truck <a href="https://t.co/Z6NsH1byN2">pic.twitter.com/Z6NsH1byN2</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1348325966473531395?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">- "I am perfectly all right everybody. It was just a happenstance accident and Almighty has been extremely Benevolent. Thank you to each one of you who've reached out. I am deeply grateful for all the love and care..." ~ Shoaib Malik</p>— Shoaib Malik 🇵🇰 (@realshoaibmalik) <a href="https://twitter.com/realshoaibmalik/status/1348326482486161410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I get that he’s inconsistent and he struggles big time against pace, but for me we need to look at whose replacing him in our national team. If Malik is used as an all rounder, then we have to compare him with Shadab Khan who’s also in the team as a bowling all rounder.

If we compare the batting, Shoaib is way superior to Shadab Khan.

If we compare the bowling, Shoaib can be just as effective as Shadab Khan. Neither are expected to take 3-4 wickets.

If we compare the fielding, they’re both equally good. Shadab is used inside the 30 yards and Shoaib is kept at the boundaries.

For me, I would pick Shoaib over Shadab, it’ll strengthen our batting considerably.
 
I get that he’s inconsistent and he struggles big time against pace, but for me we need to look at whose replacing him in our national team. If Malik is used as an all rounder, then we have to compare him with Shadab Khan who’s also in the team as a bowling all rounder.

If we compare the batting, Shoaib is way superior to Shadab Khan.

If we compare the bowling, Shoaib can be just as effective as Shadab Khan. Neither are expected to take 3-4 wickets.

If we compare the fielding, they’re both equally good. Shadab is used inside the 30 yards and Shoaib is kept at the boundaries.

For me, I would pick Shoaib over Shadab, it’ll strengthen our batting considerably.

You can't compare shoaib with shadab for international shadab will be batting at 7 at best and shaoib will be batting in top 5.

i get that shadab come in at 4 in psl but highly unlikely he will bat at that position in international.shadab is twice the bowler shoaib is and malik I's twice the batter shoaib is.
 
People may say he’s a TTF, but the fact is that he’s the only Pakistani middle order batsman that’s capable of hitting a spinner out of the park at will, he needs to be brought back into the team ASAP.

Shoaib Malik can’t get into the team but players like Azam Khan can😳

My WT20 squad after watching the England series would now look like this:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Sohaib Maqsood
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
Hassan Ali (c)
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Usman Qadir

Drop Babar Azam
Drop Mohammad Rizwan

These 2 are the main culprits for our defeats, they score at a strike rate of 110-120 for 10 overs and get out, and then they expect the rest of the batsmen to come in and hit at a strike of 200+.

These two put too much pressure on the rest of the team, and it’s time we opened with proper T20 batsmen, not TukTuks.

People seem to think that being a consistent run scorer makes you a good T20 batsman, if that was the case then why is it that Root can’t get into the England team? He’s probably better than both Babar and Rizwan in T20’s, yet England don’t play him because he’s not suited for T20’s. The sooner we get a coach like Trevor Bayliss in the team the better.
 
People may say he’s a TTF, but the fact is that he’s the only Pakistani middle order batsman that’s capable of hitting a spinner out of the park at will, he needs to be brought back into the team ASAP.

Shoaib Malik can’t get into the team but players like Azam Khan can��

My WT20 squad after watching the England series would now look like this:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Sohaib Maqsood
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
Hassan Ali (c)
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Usman Qadir

Drop Babar Azam
Drop Mohammad Rizwan

These 2 are the main culprits for our defeats, they score at a strike rate of 110-120 for 10 overs and get out, and then they expect the rest of the batsmen to come in and hit at a strike of 200+.

These two put too much pressure on the rest of the team, and it’s time we opened with proper T20 batsmen, not TukTuks.

People seem to think that being a consistent run scorer makes you a good T20 batsman, if that was the case then why is it that Root can’t get into the England team? He’s probably better than both Babar and Rizwan in T20’s, yet England don’t play him because he’s not suited for T20’s. The sooner we get a coach like Trevor Bayliss in the team the better.

Drop babar and rizwan and keep sohaib and hafeez ����
Stop posting nonsense bro.
And who is zeeshan ashraf?

But yeah shoain should be in for wc coz he can play spin
 
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Drop babar and rizwan and keep sohaib and hafeez ����
Stop posting nonsense bro.
And who is zeeshan ashraf?

But yeah shoain should be in for wc coz he can play spin

Would Babar and Rizwan get into the England xi, absolutely not. They’re not good enough to play for England so why should they be good enough for Pakistan? Why are we settling for less when we can keep looking for better?

If we want to compete against the best then we have to bring in players that can match the England players.

P.s we’re talking about T20’s only
 
At after all the opportunities given to all the youngsters or new faces. Pakistan has landed back on the Shoaib Malik train. *sigh* great.
 
Would Babar and Rizwan get into the England xi, absolutely not. They’re not good enough to play for England so why should they be good enough for Pakistan? Why are we settling for less when we can keep looking for better?

If we want to compete against the best then we have to bring in players that can match the England players.

P.s we’re talking about T20’s only

Why wouldn't Babar get into the England team. Is Morgan better than Babar, is Malan better than Babar?
 
Why wouldn't Babar get into the England team. Is Morgan better than Babar, is Malan better than Babar?

Babar would not even be considered for this T20I batting lineup.

Roy
Buttler
Bairstow
Stokes
Morgan
Livingstone
Moeen


England are not dumb enough to play Malan in their final World Cup 11.
 
Malik has an ATG World Cup record rivalled only by Tendulkar and Ponting, so he should be considered
 
Babar would not even be considered for this T20I batting lineup.

Roy
Buttler
Bairstow
Stokes
Morgan
Livingstone
Moeen


England are not dumb enough to play Malan in their final World Cup 11.

Babar is better than Morgan and has a track record better than Livingstone, Bairstowe and Ali. Fans have short memories and these sort of posts show it.
 
Babar is better than Morgan and has a track record better than Livingstone, Bairstowe and Ali. Fans have short memories and these sort of posts show it.

Of course. On Pakistani Facebook and Twitter, Babar is the best batsman in the world so you’re right. In reality though he would struggle to make my top 15 limited overs batsmen in the world. But we aren’t concerned with reality here are we.
 
Would Babar and Rizwan get into the England xi, absolutely not. They’re not good enough to play for England so why should they be good enough for Pakistan? Why are we settling for less when we can keep looking for better?

If we want to compete against the best then we have to bring in players that can match the England players.

P.s we’re talking about T20’s only

And you think the other players in your team can get into England's team?

Pagalpan ki khad hai lol
 
Why wouldn't Babar get into the England team. Is Morgan better than Babar, is Malan better than Babar?

Morgan bats at 4 whilst Babar opens, 2 completely different roles. Malan doesn’t get into the best England xi regardless of where he ranks in the ICC rankings, Babar was once the No.1 ranked T20 batsman, that says it all really.

Since Babar plays as an opener we should only compare him with players England have used as openers.


Roy >>> Babar
Bairstow > Babar
Buttler >>> Babar
Hales >>> Babar
Banton > Babar

The only reason why Babar is hyped is because it’s been a while since we had a consistent batsman, but in T20 it’s not just about consistency it’s also about how quick you can score the runs.
 
Morgan bats at 4 whilst Babar opens, 2 completely different roles. Malan doesn’t get into the best England xi regardless of where he ranks in the ICC rankings, Babar was once the No.1 ranked T20 batsman, that says it all really.

Since Babar plays as an opener we should only compare him with players England have used as openers.


Roy >>> Babar
Bairstow > Babar
Buttler >>> Babar
Hales >>> Babar
Banton > Babar

The only reason why Babar is hyped is because it’s been a while since we had a consistent batsman, but in T20 it’s not just about consistency it’s also about how quick you can score the runs.

You right Babar is awful. His average of 40+ has no value and all those judges that rate him, well they don't know cricket but you do. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
You right Babar is awful. His average of 40+ has no value and all those judges that rate him, well they don't know cricket but you do. Thanks for enlightening me.

Well Pakistan can’t have 2 openers scoring 50 off 40 balls (100 off 80) when other teams have openers scoring 50 off 30 balls (100 off 60). Those 20 balls could be the difference between winning and losing games.
 
Well Pakistan can’t have 2 openers scoring 50 off 40 balls (100 off 80) when other teams have openers scoring 50 off 30 balls (100 off 60). Those 20 balls could be the difference between winning and losing games.

Our openers are not the problem. Your trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
 
The only thing that goes in Malik's favour is the fact that the WC is in the UAE where he bats very well.

After the many failures of the 'other options' Misbah will play it safe and select Malik.

Knowing Misbah he will play it safe in the end so that the media won't be able to blame him.
 
Our openers are not the problem. Your trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

When we lack lower order power hitters then we really can’t afford to have 2 accumulators at the top, wouldn’t you agree with that?

It’s like you have all the ingredients to make a pizza but your oven ain’t pre heated.

First you put the oven on, then you put all the ingredients in the pizza then you place the pizza in the pre heated oven. Similarly, Pakistan needs an explosive top order that can take the pressure off the middle order batsmen, who can then finish off the innings with the lower order.
 
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People may say he’s a TTF, but the fact is that he’s the only Pakistani middle order batsman that’s capable of hitting a spinner out of the park at will, he needs to be brought back into the team ASAP.

Shoaib Malik can’t get into the team but players like Azam Khan can😳

My WT20 squad after watching the England series would now look like this:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Sohaib Maqsood
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
Hassan Ali (c)
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Usman Qadir

Drop Babar Azam
Drop Mohammad Rizwan

These 2 are the main culprits for our defeats, they score at a strike rate of 110-120 for 10 overs and get out, and then they expect the rest of the batsmen to come in and hit at a strike of 200+.

These two put too much pressure on the rest of the team, and it’s time we opened with proper T20 batsmen, not TukTuks.

People seem to think that being a consistent run scorer makes you a good T20 batsman, if that was the case then why is it that Root can’t get into the England team? He’s probably better than both Babar and Rizwan in T20’s, yet England don’t play him because he’s not suited for T20’s. The sooner we get a coach like Trevor Bayliss in the team the better.

Sara tuller ly lo perform krny waly opener drop kr do wah
 
When we lack lower order power hitters then we really can’t afford to have 2 accumulators at the top, wouldn’t you agree with that?

It’s like you have all the ingredients to make a pizza but your oven ain’t pre heated.

First you put the oven on, then you put all the ingredients in the pizza then you place the pizza in the pre heated oven. Similarly, Pakistan needs an explosive top order that can take the pressure off the middle order batsmen, who can then finish off the innings with the lower order.

So you want to have total numpties at the top to create a crisis a little earlier. That sounds like a plan
 
Malik debuted when it had been 3 years of very young me had started to watch cricket properly.
We are still talking about him. Just retire, he is done.
 
So you want to have total numpties at the top to create a crisis a little earlier. That sounds like a plan

You can’t be a total numpty if you’re smashing Australia’s best bowling attack out of the ground in 3 consecutive games in their back garden. When was the last time we had a player do that in Australia?
 
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