Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[Sirris]

First time where Malik not just plaid a clutch knock but also stayed till the end and hit the crucial winning runs.

I remember a game where he played a similarly good innings but in the end threw it away which resulted in our loss.

If he continues to provide us with these knocks he deserves his place on the team.

 

[Mamoon]

Those who want him dropped before the World Cup should eat their hat. Get it in your heads once and for all - he is not going anywhere till the World Cup and neither should he. He is arguably our best batsman right now and there is no one out of the team who can play his role to the same degree of success.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Those who want him dropped before the World Cup should eat their hat. Get it in your heads once and for all - he is not going anywhere till the World Cup and neither should he. He is arguably our best batsman right now and there is no one out of the team who can play his role to the same degree of success.

Agree 100% with you. Best batsman in the team. He can both accumulate and hit big when necessary. I can't imagine any other player playing an innings like he did for Pakistan.

 

[Rayyman]

First time where Malik not just plaid a clutch knock but also stayed till the end and hit the crucial winning runs.

I remember a game where he played a similarly good innings but in the end threw it away which resulted in our loss.

If he continues to provide us with these knocks he deserves his place on the team.

Agree 100% with you. Best batsman in the team. He can both accumulate and hit big when necessary. I can't imagine any other player playing an innings like he did for Pakistan.

This is why experience is important. Yes, most of the team should be young, but we should always have 1-2 players that are 30+ and good under pressure. Malik is that guy. He is a sage in a team full of young warriors.

 

[MMHS]

Value of today's Malik innings can't be seen in CricInfo actually - few months later, someone'll run the StatGuru and tell that it was against AFGs, that too after a 150+ partnership in UAE. And then, we'll go back to his 256* (319) at WACA against Mac & Lee...............

 

[Pete Rose]

his time is up. That he performed today should not be surprising

 

[DRsohail]

First time where Malik not just plaid a clutch knock but also stayed till the end and hit the crucial winning runs.

I remember a game where he played a similarly good innings but in the end threw it away which resulted in our loss.

If he continues to provide us with these knocks he deserves his place on the team.

No ha played once in 2012 against india i reckon..and once against Ausl in 2016,,he has done it multiple times.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Malik is the big dog and UAE is his yard.

This inning reminds me of the 60 odd not out by Inzi in the 4th ODI against India in 2005. Ice cool and unbelievably calm.

The way he has been maneuvering the chases in last few years has absolute mastery to it. One moment it looks like he is out of touch and struggling, the next you know he wins it for the team. Brilliant.

I hope others like Sarfraz, Asif, Shadab, Haris and Babar learn from him.

Sarfraz has been the biggest disappointment in Asia Cup so far.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shoaib Malik "you have to fight to the last ball. Credit to the whole team and to the whole nation who always pray for us. Keep praying for us" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AFGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AFGvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AsiaCup2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AsiaCup2018</a> <a href="https://t.co/v7yF4GluDb">pic.twitter.com/v7yF4GluDb</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1043244752131575808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Dr_Bassim]

Well he is amazing when we are playing minnows.

Can handle the pressure amazingly well.

Better than minnows.

 

[Ab Fan]

Above average batsmen who will win his team matches they should be winning.

 

[wrongun]

He played a few useful knocks in the CT win and was good enough to see off the challenge from an in form Sardine Team (not quite a minnow now, but not yet a big fish). He's been worth his spot the last year or so imo. Keep him around- he is performing, provides that bowling option you need with Hafeez gone, has some experience and more importantly has been able to apply that experience to perform when some pressure is on at CT and now here.

He's earned his spot.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Value of today's Malik innings can't be seen in CricInfo actually - few months later, someone'll run the StatGuru and tell that it was against AFGs, that too after a 150+ partnership in UAE. And then, we'll go back to his 256* (319) at WACA against Mac & Lee...............

Well Afghanistan is on track to be a good team unlike BD who're on decline, so why should runs against Afg be discounted? They have two world class spinners.

 

[Hasan123]

We know he can bash minnows but his problem has been scoring in overseas conditions. If we don't see any improvement in South Africa there is a case for him to be dropped . I like him as a player but why does he need to be a certainty in conditions he has always struggled in?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

We know he can bash minnows but his problem has been scoring in overseas conditions. If we don't see any improvement in South Africa there is a case for him to be dropped . I like him as a player but why does he need to be a certainty in conditions he has always struggled in?

Actually Malik's performances in South Africa have been pretty good. It's England, Australia and NZ where he has struggled. He averages 48 in SA, and if you remember he was the second best batter in T20 07 WC after Misbah and the best batter in CT09 both of them were in SA. For me he certainly is a sure starter for SA series. England is where he has struggled perennially apart from that 84 against England in 2016. However, he looked very comfortable and probably the best batter for Pak in CT17, yet would throw his wicket away. He is not an ATG, but he is certainly worth a place in the team. I don't see who is more deserving than him who deserves a go at no.5
The most imp thing is that he is able to see off high pressure chases and his calculations are spot on, we don't have a single guy who is able to do that. So for me he deserves a place in the team.

 

[InziRules]

I'm actually worried what we'll do when he retires. He's been in ATG form for the last three years or so now

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People love <a href="https://twitter.com/realshoaibmalik?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realshoaibmalik</a> bhai based on his performance. But trust me, if you meet him away from the field you will love him even more.</p>— Saif Badar (@imSbadar) <a href="https://twitter.com/imSbadar/status/1043459282178662400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Hasan123]

Actually Malik's performances in South Africa have been pretty good. It's England, Australia and NZ where he has struggled. He averages 48 in SA, and if you remember he was the second best batter in T20 07 WC after Misbah and the best batter in CT09 both of them were in SA. For me he certainly is a sure starter for SA series. England is where he has struggled perennially apart from that 84 against England in 2016. However, he looked very comfortable and probably the best batter for Pak in CT17, yet would throw his wicket away. He is not an ATG, but he is certainly worth a place in the team. I don't see who is more deserving than him who deserves a go at no.5
The most imp thing is that he is able to see off high pressure chases and his calculations are spot on, we don't have a single guy who is able to do that. So for me he deserves a place in the team.

The World Cup is England and his previous record in England is a concern for me. Since his return he has scored a lot of runs against the weaker teams and we all know about his issues versus pace. I hope he proves me wrong but I am worried about him playing in England.

 

[Hawkeye]

The World Cup is England and his previous record in England is a concern for me. Since his return he has scored a lot of runs against the weaker teams and we all know about his issues versus pace. I hope he proves me wrong but I am worried about him playing in England.

Nothing will be different than what he has done for 20 years.

Nobody in the history of sport has fooled a nation like Malik. Show up against the minnows or their spinners. Humiliates the batting lineup in tournaments and the good sides.

He has done that so darn consistently.

 

[Hasan123]

Nothing will be different than what he has done for 20 years.

Nobody in the history of sport has fooled a nation like Malik. Show up against the minnows or their spinners. Humiliates the batting lineup in tournaments and the good sides.

He has done that so darn consistently.

He will be selected for the WC. Looks like we will just have to support him and hope for the best.

 

[MMHS]

Well Afghanistan is on track to be a good team unlike BD who're on decline, so why should runs against Afg be discounted? They have two world class spinners.

Don’t come to talk into something you don’t have much clue. This thread is 160 pages and you have come today here to take a little dig at BD, more precisely MMHS.

Even at this time SRL & WIN are overall far better team than AFGs - couple of years back, not even a comparison - still, Malik’s stats were always filtered for soft runs.

And, then here you come here with his innings against Afghans. You should have the English skills to realize that I actually have praise Afghan attack here. I don’t carry baggage. You got what you deserved for running your lousy mouth too much for calling Bangladeshi players monkey. Left PP for couple of weeks, and here trying to settle some score. Grow up.

 

[last_knight]

I'm actually worried what we'll do when he retires. He's been in ATG form for the last three years or so now

The guy in post immediately after yours is the answer.
It's poetic that your post was followed by Saif Badar tweet.

 

[ManFan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People love <a href="https://twitter.com/realshoaibmalik?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realshoaibmalik</a> bhai based on his performance. But trust me, if you meet him away from the field you will love him even more.</p>— Saif Badar (@imSbadar) <a href="https://twitter.com/imSbadar/status/1043459282178662400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I thought he was going to the other way...

 

[Pete Rose]

He will be selected for the WC. Looks like we will just have to support him and hope for the best.

Not sure if thats a foregone conclusion. We play too many tough teams prior to that in odis: Australia, NZ, and Saffers in South Africa

 

[Hasan123]

Not sure if thats a foregone conclusion. We play too many tough teams prior to that in odis: Australia, NZ, and Saffers in South Africa

I think if he was going to be dropped , it would have been done by now. I think Arthur likes having him around and he was a regular under Inzi captaincy. Don't see him being dropped.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The World Cup is England and his previous record in England is a concern for me. Since his return he has scored a lot of runs against the weaker teams and we all know about his issues versus pace. I hope he proves me wrong but I am worried about him playing in England.

Pace and swing are definitely a concern for him, but I think it's more mental than technical for him. Guys with poorer techniques than him have scored runs in England.
And tbh apart from the SL match in CT17, he looked far more assured in the other matches yet failed to capitalize.
What concerns me is, how clueless he looked in the NZ series earlier this year. Yes he got injured in the 4th match, but he looked very ordinary.

I hope he does perform better in England. My respect for him as a human and a professional has grown tremendously in last 3 years. He has been a very fine mentor for our guys since 2015 and with MisYou long gone, he remains the senior most figure.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Nothing will be different than what he has done for 20 years.

Nobody in the history of sport has fooled a nation like Malik. Show up against the minnows or their spinners. Humiliates the batting lineup in tournaments and the good sides.

He has done that so darn consistently.

Did he humiliate us in T20 07,09 and CT09? As far as i know they were in South Africa and England, and he was our second best bat in Wt20 07 and our best in CT09, and wt20 09 was a whole team performance, everyone chipped in with big and small contriubtions except Afridi and Gul who were the standouts.

 

[austerlitz]

This malik needs to be given some chin music 140 plus,need a suitable pitch for that.Unfortunately difficult to do that in ODIs.That if done properly ,will end his career.He's just an annoying pest that won't go away and always plays well against india despite being an average mediocre player overall.

 

[Abdullah719]

Batting on 67

 

[aukhan]

Mian malik the superstar

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shoaib Malik's favourite opposition in ODIs is definitely India:<br>Runs 1782<br>Average 48.16<br>Hundreds 4<br>Fifties 11<br>His 3 highest ODI scores are also against India <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AsiaCup2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AsiaCup2018</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1043871931878060032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[nextover666666]

Shoaib Malik is the 7th position for most ODI runs by Pakistani batsman he just passed Saleem Malik who was at 7170 , and Shoaib malik is currently at 7196

 

[Madplayer]

He is the GOAT

 

[Madplayer]

Malik the GOAT

 

[Vorador]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shoaib Malik's favourite opposition in ODIs is definitely India:<br>Runs 1782<br>Average 48.16<br>Hundreds 4<br>Fifties 11<br>His 3 highest ODI scores are also against India <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AsiaCup2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AsiaCup2018</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1043871931878060032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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How many of these were in a winning cause, though? Malik is a beast against minnows. He will find a way to score against good teams too, but his impact against stronger teams seldom amounts to much regardless of his score.

 

[Abid Z]

How many of these were in a winning cause, though? Malik is a beast against minnows. He will find a way to score against good teams too, but his impact against stronger teams seldom amounts to much regardless of his score.

Winning cause?? You do realise that there are another 10 players who should also be thinking about the winning cause. Playing like he does against any type of opponent and scoring runs only highlights the ineptitude of the other batsmen who fail to apply themselves as he does. Granted India’s bowling today was awesome but still other batsmen need to knuckle down and score.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

How many of these were in a winning cause, though? Malik is a beast against minnows. He will find a way to score against good teams too, but his impact against stronger teams seldom amounts to much regardless of his score.

If you score runs at good SR it doesn't matter if team loses. 1 player doesn't win match for the team, you need contribution from 3 or 4 players at least.

 

[the Great Khan]

[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] can add this legendary effort to the list he maintains on his living room wall

amazing hundred from Malik against India yesterday..helped us win that quite easily..

 

[Donal Cozzie]

amazing hundred from Malik against India yesterday..helped us win that quite easily..

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#bringbackmalikposting

The 2015 days with you and [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] firing the posts out were the heyday, dunno why the sarcastic humour kills me every time

 

[BaankeJi]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People love <a href="https://twitter.com/realshoaibmalik?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realshoaibmalik</a> bhai based on his performance. But trust me, if you meet him away from the field you will love him even more.</p>— Saif Badar (@imSbadar) <a href="https://twitter.com/imSbadar/status/1043459282178662400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He is very humble. He has come on some Indian TV shows and he has played some mock cricket with Indian TV actors. Always wants to make others feel good about their cricket. Awesome individual.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Pretty sure he will be a failure in world cup next year against pacers. Calm head but just doesn't have it in him. 20 years are enough to show that.

Bowling has gone down too to make the team as an all rounder.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most catches in T20I history: <br>Shoaib Malik 45 <br>AB de Villiers 44 <br>Ross Taylor 44 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1056618112739622912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Uffff, the catching

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Hussey after Shoaib Malik takes another excellent catch "Shoaib Malik can't be nearly 37, he's got to be 21" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1056618771367018496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Haseeb 22]

Safest pair of hands in world cricket? I think so

Thank you for Malik. You have been a great servant for Pakistan cricket

 

[shaaik]

Only if he was a bit better against pace and short pitch bowling. Would have been a compete limited overs batsman.

 

[nextover666666]

Malik stands at 2190 runs in t20 international cricket. Mccllum who has the most is at 2271. Malik needs 82 runs to cross him

 

[Gabbar Singh]

After a very good 2017 in ODI cricket Malik is struggling a bit this year. With the world cup round the corner that's not great news for Pakistan and Malik fans.

 

[nextover666666]

After a very good 2017 in ODI cricket Malik is struggling a bit this year. With the world cup round the corner that's not great news for Pakistan and Malik fans.

I feel he will come good during World Cup might even end up winning Pakistan a game or 2 but he should be in the squad up until the World Cup

 

[the Great Khan]

Great news for Pakistan..rubbish news for his cult followers. The sooner we ditch him the better..

 

[Greenstorm]

Great news for Pakistan..rubbish news for his cult followers. The sooner we ditch him the better..

Yes, him and Hafeez.

 

[PakSarZameen]

A bit strange he's been demoted in the batting order after his great Asia Cup

Been batting in ODIs and T20s with only 5-10 overs left and that's not an ideal situation for someone like him to come in.

 

[The Viper]

Malik is not great against pace which makes him a liablity in the World Cup eventhough the pitches will most likely be flat.

 

[Rayyman]

Averages 39 at 88 SR at #5. Keep him there. Babar, Haris and Malik should be 3,4 and 5.

 

[Zaz]

Not sure why we are persisting with Malik He averages in his 20s against teams like nz Australia and England

In England he avges 14!!!!!!!

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Thank you for your services but its time to call it a day now, sir!

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Cometh the hour, cometh the man - time for Malik to play an innings of note today and get the side to a respectable total.

 

[waqar goraya]

His batting abilities aside, he looks exhausted physically. AT almost 40, he should not risk Pakistan's world Cup campaign if he can't be as agile as he used to be couple of years earlier.

 

[Syed1]

He is finished... had a good resurgence late in his career, but that seems to have passed now. The next match should be his last and Shan/Rizwan should come in.

 

[Hasan123]

He is finished. Only 1 of Hafeez or Malik should be in the WC squad.

 

[BakuGM]

Malik is the most useless cricketer there ever was, period.

 

[BakuGM]

Really you think Malik is better than Hafeez (who himself is mediocre at best)?

 

[Zaz]

Hes a waste of a spot away from the subcontinent

No idea why hed playing He cant buy runs in places like south africa and england

 

[YousafTheBeast]

After 20 years, he still hasn’t found a way of handling pace.

 

[BakuGM]

Malik has no place in the team, I just hope Inzamam is removed from his position as if he is not then expect to go out in the first round in 2019 World Cup.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Haven’t seen Malik in the field today...usually he’d be fielding at mid off or mid on...can’t understand why sarfraz has shaheen at mid on.

 

[Suleiman]

Something is not right with him... hope he’s okay.

 

[Pete Rose]

Something is not right with him... hope he’s okay.

its really no mystery.
he was always poor against pace, now seems to even worse....and he seems to have forgotten how to play spin.
I expect ppl to post his aggregate avg and sr after his comeback without taking into account the opposition

 

[Hamza_]

Anyone with his stats in last 10 games?

 

[nextover666666]

shoaib Malik currently has 7348 runs in ODI cricket above him is Javed Miandad who had 7381. Malik will need 34 more runs to pass him
And become Pakistans 5th highest ODI run scorer

Let's see if he can do it during the 4th ODI

 

[waqar goraya]

Selectors and he himself need to assess his utility. He has not looked himself on this tour or against NZ in UAE.

His last 7 scores, since Asia Cup fifty against India have been 30,30,10,18, 12,21,31. The fact that he got out every time after getting used to the conditions , is indicative of his form and fitness.

Now, if you were young or had caliber of a world class batsman , this could have been ignored. But when you have been mediocre through out your career , and almost 40 years old, you is not worth persisting with.

 

[super hitter]

Really looks out of touch, with this form, will be lucky to make it to the World Cup with a few good innings here and there.

Tbh, he's even more unhappy with himself, than the fans are.

But on the other side, he hardly gets to bat in good situations, either it's the last 10 overs or so when he's supposed to take the bowl over the fence,
Or
he has to bat under pressure after a usual batting collapse of the batting order.

All in all, doesn't deserve to be in the World Cup squad because of two reasons.

1) Captain doesn't want him to be utilized in the perfect way.

a) Sends him to the fence whilst fielding, despite the fact that he's the VC.
b) Prefers non spinning spinners like Fakhar, Hafeez etc.
c) Demotes him to bat at no.6 in T20's even, promoting himself at 5.
d) Hides behind him and the tailenders in ODI's to not get exposed, making him the sacrificial goat.

2) He doesn't deserve to play the World Cup based on his own performances.

a) With batting at no.5, will have to face pace all the time and come at the end of the innings, limiting his scoring tactics, i.e unable to build his inning through strike rotation and bashing the spinners.

b) Cannot play short pitched deliveries.

I do respect him for the fact that he wants to play and win this World Cup, and tbh, is a very selfless cricketers, but with keeping his limitations under consideration, and Sarfraz, it's better for him to retire before the World Cup.

Personally, I would've kicked Sarfraz out, an extremely pathetic batsman, and a coward captain, but with him as the captain, Malik should leave.

Calling Sarfraz a coward captain doesn't mean he's a bad captain,he's just the type of guy who'd hesitate to take risks and lead from the front. Otherwise, he's a pretty decent tactician, and a great catcher behind the stumps, but a very limited batsman, mostly going after the random slogs and is definitely the least fit player out their.

 

[Pete Rose]

Those who want him dropped before the World Cup should eat their hat. Get it in your heads once and for all - he is not going anywhere till the World Cup and neither should he. He is arguably our best batsman right now and there is no one out of the team who can play his role to the same degree of success.

This has aged well, you can refer back to it when he eventually goes against the grain

 

[Mamoon]

This has aged well, you can refer back to it when he eventually goes against the grain

Depends on what you mean by aged well. He will play every game till the end of the World Cup. Willing to take a bet on it. However, his importance to the lineup is a bit debatable after the rise of Imam.

 

[Chokli]

rather move fakhar to his position or stick with fakhar and insert shan masood at 4/5 with hafeez after

 

[Pete Rose]

Depends on what you mean by aged well. He will play every game till the end of the World Cup. Willing to take a bet on it. However, his importance to the lineup is a bit debatable after the rise of Imam.

Big difference betweeen opinining on deserved selection vs how it’s usually done in Pakistan.
I would argue there is little correlation to his role basis what the openers do. It’s more like hafeez doing well (certainly going against by belief), and the hope that Shan can replicate some of his test form means Pakistan has two batsmen to mitigate whatever Malik provides with his 100 SR 20 to 30 scores in the last ten overs

 

[Gabbar Singh]

A few years ago folks would joke on this thread that Shoaib will be captain at the 2019 WC. It’s still an outside chance because I think Sarfaraz will return as captain but the odds of Malik captaining the side this summer have just shortened a fair bit.

 

[Hasan123]

Will take Hafeez or Malik as a specalist captain over Sarfraz. They have the respect of the players and they know how to manage bowlers.

 

[Theo_14]

Fantastic piece of captaincy from Malik. Well balanced and tactically thought out with composure. He utilised his bowlers so well.

Must be our captain when heading into the World cup.

 

[aukhan]

Great job Mian malik

 

[shaaik]

Shoiab Malik seems to be all over the place here today. Captaincy ain't easy in cricket more so in T20s