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Shocking stat: Pakistan have 0 powerplay (0-10 overs) sixes in ODI'S in 2023!

But the ODI player who used to hit plenty of sixes in the power play as an opener, was bashed by 98% of the fans on Pak Passion for his Tullay Bazi and ducks. Not only he was bashed, anybody appreciating his batting was bashed relentlessly. Most of the same people are complaining about the lack of sixes now. I knew, I will live to see this day... only thing is, it came sooner than I thought! :)

This is what he used to do as an opener.


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An opener who used to hit sixes in power play but .......


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Rana said:
Shafique can’t nail the hook/pull shot

How do you expect him to hit sixes against proper pace bowlers in the powerplay?
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He has pulled Mark Wood for six in a test match in Multan. He can do it if he is given the same rope as Fakhar has been.
 
Rana said:
Shafique can’t nail the hook/pull shot

How do you expect him to hit sixes against proper pace bowlers in the powerplay?
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Abdullah's been pretty good on test, world class infact, 2nd best besides saud, and he's clearly played the pull shot very well before.

But he seems to be of a younis khan mould. Useless in odi.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Take a look at the table below (including today's WC matches), ODI W/L ratio in 2023.

India is top, but Pakistan, with 0 sixes in PP, is 3rd.

Look where England and Australia are!

Simply, hitting sixes in the PP are not proportional to ODI wins.

6s in the PP is yet an another exaggerated requirement/stat.

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Bro nice stats but if you click on the blue button at the end its shows teams the games have been won against

1 against Nepal
1 against Netherlands
1 against bangladesh
3 against Afghanistan
4 against new zealand with no Boult, Southee or ferguson

But lost against india Sri Lanka and newzealand with southee and ferguson
 
mominsaigol said:
Abdullah's been pretty good on test, world class infact, 2nd best besides saud, and he's clearly played the pull shot very well before.

But he seems to be of a younis khan mould. Useless in odi.
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He will prove his worth in ODIs when he gets the same unlimited chances as Fakhar
 
Technics 1210 said:
SR/AVG retort!

Strike rotation is more risk averse. Smacking boundaries on the other hand has a higher risk.

This is precisely why Australia may have hit the second most number of 6s at the highest SR in the PP phase, yet end up with an abysmal team average in 2023. (See table below)

Strike Rate is a misleading stat. A batsman can score a 6 off the first ball, then get out the next ball, and end up with a 300% SR.


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Warner 390 runs 43.33 avge 119.26 SR
Marsh 417 runs 46.33 avge 121.57 SR
TM Head 241 runs 48.20 avge 141.76 SR


Smith has hardly played recently. Him coming back to form shouldn't mislead you to think Pakistan top order > Australian top order. Sure for argument sake this misleading stat can help you sleep. Also Travis head injured and out of world cup. So they had to juggle around things.

Compare with Pakistan line up

Imam ul haq 463 runs 38.58 avge 78.74 strike rate
Fakhar Zaman 656 runs 43.73 avge 85.63 strike rate
Babar Azam 750 runs 46.87 avge 84.26 strike rate


Australia played against SA in SA and INdia in India. Both tough assignments compared to Pakistan who played 3 ODIs vs Afghans, 1 vs Nepal, 1vs BD, 1vs SL, 1 vs Netherlands. Yet Australia has better stats.

Almost all teams did experiment with their line up.
 
Not that surprising tbh. We don't hit sixes till Rizwan comes to bat.

Not concerned though as the stat is irrelevant to actual winning. Plus we don't play as many ODIs
 
The future of Cricket is more power and more sixes.. as players become more powerful..
The future batsmen will look more like Liam Livingstone..Brute forces of nature... as compared to Root/Kohli/Smith/Williamson.

See this score card today of match happening in Australia Domestic One-Day Cup 2023-24

South Australia vs Tasmania, 7th Match, Oct 07, Australia Domestic One-Day Cup 2023-24

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TAS 435/9 (50)​

SAUS 173/1 (12)​

CRR: 14.42 REQ: 6.92

Freaking hell... 160 runs scored in first 10 overs in Australia.. The bowlers are being reduced to ball throwing machines..may as well have Robots against Batters to see who hit the farthest.
 
Hitman & Gilldozer both love to smash sixes so it’s natural to see Bharat at the top.

Pakistan should be there but Fakhar bhai likes to hit sixes once he’s settled only. Otherwise Fakhar bhai can himself smash like 15 sixes in a match, no problem. His bazuon me hae dum.
 
It is astonishing and amazing at the same time that Pakistan has no batsman in the top 3 who can hit sixes in the first 10 overs and they are still surviving with this fact.
 
Was funny on the Pavilion where little Misbi was getting very defensive over this. Tried to counter with:

“Well who’s no1 ranked”

After it was pointed out it was India then he said well Pakistan are no2!

I’m sorry Misbah, make yer mind up, you were critical of the no1 ranking against C, D teams the other day and now you’re trying to use it to your advantage - what a politician.

Was so glad Wasim interrupted him and said “No, it needs to improve”
 
It's a poor stat because Fakhar has been out of form and Imam has hid his way to scoring soft runs at a decent average.

Imam used to hit sixes with his down the ground shots in the past but he's gone into his shell completely recently.
 
Look you don't win matches by hitting the most sixes, we all know that.

But this stat clearly shows the mindset, the attitude and frankly the selfishness of Pakistani batters in the first 10 overs.

A lack of intent, a lack of plan B, a lack of aggression!
 
daytrader said:
Not that surprising tbh. We don't hit sixes till Rizwan comes to bat.

Not concerned though as the stat is irrelevant to actual winning. Plus we don't play as many ODIs
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Doesn't matter if it's 1 ODI or 100 in the year - the lack of intent and selfishness is worrying and says a lot about our top order.
 
Saj said:
Look you don't win matches by hitting the most sixes, we all know that.

But this stat clearly shows the mindset, the attitude and frankly the selfishness of Pakistani batters in the first 10 overs.

A lack of intent, a lack of plan B, a lack of aggression!
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I agree. These stats are an eye-opener for team Pakistan as it is all about their approach and aggression lacking in those overs.
 
Well well well.

Australia hit ZERO 6s in the PP in their WC opener vs India.

As a bonus, there was a maiden over in the PP phase too.

No intent, no aggression - right? (Rhetorical)
 
Technics 1210 said:
Well well well.

Australia hit ZERO 6s in the PP in their WC opener vs India.

As a bonus, there was a maiden over in the PP phase too.

No intent, no aggression - right? (Rhetorical)
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Well there was one *almost* six.

Also, Australia are playing a strong Indian side in home conditions and even then it is an anomaly for them.

Pakistan, on the other hand, never score sixes in the PP. Big difference.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Well well well.

Australia hit ZERO 6s in the PP in their WC opener vs India.

As a bonus, there was a maiden over in the PP phase too.

No intent, no aggression - right? (Rhetorical)
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Australia all playing for their averages 😂

When we have a top order of Buttler’s and Bairstow’s I’ll understand.

But when we have Imam and Fakhar then the six hitting metric isn’t the be all and end all, though of course it needs to improve.
 
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ExpressPacer said:
Well there was one *almost* six.

Also, Australia are playing a strong Indian side in home conditions and even then it is an anomaly for them.

Pakistan, on the other hand, never score sixes in the PP. Big difference.
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Australia have played India 6 times, in India, this year (not including the WC match).

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As for your last statement, I think it only holds true for 2023. Pakistan have not hit a 6 in PP in 2023. Not fair to say Pakistan never score 6s in PP.
 
It's hardly surprising as the problem is deeply rooted in our reluctance to embrace experimentation, even when facing inconsequential matches or weaker teams.

As a result, the majority of our core XI players never strive to elevate their skills, preferring instead to settle for accumulating effortless runs against weaker opponents and the due to the selectors animosity with giving other guys a chance, we have zero idea on whether or not our best XI is being played
 
ExpressPacer said:
Well there was one *almost* six.

Also, Australia are playing a strong Indian side in home conditions and even then it is an anomaly for them.

Pakistan, on the other hand, never score sixes in the PP. Big difference.
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How is it justifiable to not hit a six in the powerplay on the small grounds and flat roads in Rawalpindi and Karachi?

Pakistan and these fans who are defending this approach have clearly got their priorities wrong
 
This team is full of parchis and accumulators !!! Nothing surprise. That's why I told every top team has at least 3-4 better batsmen than Babar (who supposed to be our best batsman)
 
Shafi said:
This team is full of parchis and accumulators !!! Nothing surprise. That's why I told every top team has at least 3-4 better batsmen than Babar (who supposed to be our best batsman)
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Babar is not the best bat of Pakistan, Saud is. That's very evident in test, and play saud for 100 games at 3 and see what happens.

Haris sohail in his prime was also better then babar.

Babar is good but beyond overrated due to milestone statpadding.

People don't understand that in this day and age, any top order idiot can stat pad especially with the PP rules and the 2 new ball rules + sides now playing 2nd string unless it's a world cup.

Thats why imam is ranked no 6 😂😂.
 
No shock here fakhar takes to long getting going in PP.

Imam snails along at a strike rate of 72 in PP, playing selfish cricket

No shock neither has hit a 6 in PP this year
 
The likely six hitter in the Pakistani top order is Fakhar Zaman and he is seriously out of touch at the moment.
 
Rana said:
How is it justifiable to not hit a six in the powerplay on the small grounds and flat roads in Rawalpindi and Karachi?

Pakistan and these fans who are defending this approach have clearly got their priorities wrong
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SA, India and England would breach 500 in Pindi.
 
Saj said:
Doesn't matter if it's 1 ODI or 100 in the year - the lack of intent and selfishness is worrying and says a lot about our top order.
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I'd rather see Pakistan bat out its quota of overs rather than a couple of sixes in the power play
 
We have now faced 1,000 power play deliveries without hitting a 6. Let's see if our batsmen can hit Shanaka out of the park in the next couple of overs
 
Our openers are very predictable to bowl too. They don't attempt too many cross bat shots, they don't try to come down the track to disturb the bowlers. They play orthodox cricketing shots and opposition captains, bowlers are easily able to contain our batters by bowling to their fields.

Gill, Sharma come down the wicket to disturb the bowlers or play cross bat shots.

The entire batting approach, mindset is the problem. In international cricket the opposition captain, bowlers and fielders are not going to give you things on a platter, you have to try and put pressure on the opposition.
 
daytrader said:
I'd rather see Pakistan bat out its quota of overs rather than a couple of sixes in the power play
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I'd rather Pakistan showed some intent and won a match.

What's the point in batting your quota of overs and still losing.
 
At least you guys are so good at beating Afghanistan and celebrating like winning the world cup! Lol
 
Saj said:
I'd rather Pakistan showed some intent and won a match.

What's the point in batting your quota of overs and still losing.
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Unfortunately we have openers who can't execute an aggressive approach. Take Imam as an example today. Wanted to pull a short one for six but ended up top edging it
 
daytrader said:
Unfortunately we have openers who can't execute an aggressive approach. Take Imam as an example today. Wanted to pull a short one for six but ended up top edging it
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But you are saying you would rather the team batted 50 overs than showed intent.

What's the point in batting 50 overs if you lose.
 
Pakistan after 10 overs at this World Cup:

versus Netherlands - 43/3
versus Sri Lanka - 48/2

This means you are constantly playing catchup and are behind the required run-rate. Sometimes it will work, most of the time it won't.
 
Have a feeling that first PP six will come in match against India. Intentionally or by luck.
 
Saud Shakeel finally has the bat sponsor and as expected it’s an Indian bat company..
 
Who needs PP 6s in the first 10 overs when Pakistan has Abdullah and Rizwan to chase down the highest ever total in ODI WC history ending up with a century a piece.

🤍 💚 🇵🇰 🤍 💚
 
Technics 1210 said:
Who needs PP 6s in the first 10 overs when Pakistan has Abdullah and Rizwan to chase down the highest ever total in ODI WC history ending up with a century a piece.

🤍 💚 🇵🇰 🤍 💚
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This will not happen everytime. The Sri Lankan bowling attack cannot be compared with India's, New Zealands.
 
I think theres too much made about the strike rate in the first 10 overs. With the two new balls, the first 10 overs are always going to be the most difficult phase of an ODI innings. It's fine if you take your time there and get set up to take advantage later. Most teams have been doing that in this world cup so far.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Who needs PP 6s in the first 10 overs when Pakistan has Abdullah and Rizwan to chase down the highest ever total in ODI WC history ending up with a century a piece.

🤍 💚 🇵🇰 🤍 💚
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It was a very good win, but we need to be more agressive in the 10 overs when we start. I still feel they can do better. Today SL bowling was very poor, almost like 30 extras.
 
Pakistani players in the top order need to realize that you have to disturb the bowlers line, length by walking down the pitch or playing cross bat shots to clear the field, you cannot let the bowler bowl 6 deliveries on the spot and play cricketing shots straight to the fielder.

They need to study what the likes of Rohit, Gill, Kohli do disturb a bowlers line, length and put them under pressure. Shaheen wilted under pressure when he was attacked
 
Shafique can hit 6s.

Like Watson said he's got a lot of power in his core.

Hopefully can unleash a few vs Siraj.
 
Savak said:
This will not happen everytime. The Sri Lankan bowling attack cannot be compared with India's, New Zealands.
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Of course not, but what today's victory proves is you do not need belter 6s in the 1st 10 overs to chase down a 350 target, when strike rotation is actually the more fundamental strategy to adopt in an ODI game.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Of course not, but what today's victory proves is you do not need belter 6s in the 1st 10 overs to chase down a 350 target, when strike rotation is actually the more fundamental strategy to adopt in an ODI game.
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You will need it. Against better teams you will not be gifted 30 runs through extras.
 
Pakistan's world record WC chase:

5 Sixes today, outside the PP phase.
1 Six in the 3rd PP
26 Fours

140 runs in boundaries.
205 runs through Strike Rotation.

Strike Rotation is key to accumulating a big score in ODI.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Pakistan's world record WC chase:

5 Sixes today, outside the PP phase.
1 Six in the 3rd PP
26 Fours

140 runs in boundaries.
205 runs through Strike Rotation.

Strike Rotation is key to accumulating a big score in ODI.
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You need both strike rotation combined with the big hits. Just look at NZ and India for example.
 
pakistani pride said:
You will need it. Against better teams you will not be gifted 30 runs through extras.
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On the contrary, better teams will not be gifted with a shoddy bowling attack such as Pakistan's in this WC right?

Even if you take the extras out, moat of which past the first 10 overs, then whats make you think Pakistan would not have off-set the runs with a few more boundaries or singles/doubles?

Lets not undermine today World Record WC chase.
 
Savak said:
Pakistani players in the top order need to realize that you have to disturb the bowlers line, length by walking down the pitch or playing cross bat shots to clear the field, you cannot let the bowler bowl 6 deliveries on the spot and play cricketing shots straight to the fielder.

They need to study what the likes of Rohit, Gill, Kohli do disturb a bowlers line, length and put them under pressure. Shaheen wilted under pressure when he was attacked
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I agree with it 100%
 
pakistani pride said:
You need both strike rotation combined with the big hits. Just look at NZ and India for example.
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The thread is about sixes in the 0-10 over power play, not the entire match, and how shocking Pakistan is, rock bottom.

How many sixes did Pakistan hit in the 0-10 PP today? ZERO, yet still set a new world record for WC chases.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
What makes you say that?
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I follow PSL and ISLU. Other than that, it can be seen in his body language too. I think he mentioned Babar and Rizwan as other natural leaders, they're natural leaders too as well as Shaheen. That I like very much about the team. Even when rumors were coming of dressing room arguments, it was a sign that there are several leaders having difference of opinion.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The thread is about sixes in the 0-10 over power play, not the entire match, and how shocking Pakistan is, rock bottom.

How many sixes did Pakistan hit in the 0-10 PP today? ZERO, yet still set a new world record for WC chases.
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True but other teams won't let you off from a slow start.

Bumrah, Starc etc are WC in the end overs.
 
this thread losses its purpose.

Pakistan with no sixes in PP of first 10 overs, still ended up chasing 345 in a world cup which no team has ever done.

The whole point of PP is that the field is up, thus, even a boundary counts. It is not necessary that you have to hit a 6 in the PP as a 4 does the job also as there isnt any fielder on the boudary.

Besides, Babar play his shots on the ground, and if he is doing that there is no issue.
 
I wonder how we reached to 1st position in ODI cricket after having this terrible record of not hitting any six in first powerplay.
 
These are just trivial stats which mean very little, especially in the 50 over format.

This year Pakistan have chased 340 plus on two occasions, which is unheard of.

There is plenty of ways to skin a cat .
 
Technics 1210 said:
Pakistan's world record WC chase:

5 Sixes today, outside the PP phase.
1 Six in the 3rd PP
26 Fours

140 runs in boundaries.
205 runs through Strike Rotation.

Strike Rotation is key to accumulating a big score in ODI.
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Cricket isn’t a one size fits all approach. As you rightly point out, strike rotation and dispatching bad balls for 4s is the way to big scores consistently. Pak chased down 344 convincingly with no 6 in PP.
 
Major said:
this thread losses its purpose.

Pakistan with no sixes in PP of first 10 overs, still ended up chasing 345 in a world cup which no team has ever done.

The whole point of PP is that the field is up, thus, even a boundary counts. It is not necessary that you have to hit a 6 in the PP as a 4 does the job also as there isnt any fielder on the boudary.

Besides, Babar play his shots on the ground, and if he is doing that there is no issue.
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100%. What matters is Average and SR. The output metrics. If Babar, Imam and Fakhar wanna focus on boundaries, then that’s a valid approach as well.
 
Major said:
this thread losses its purpose.

Pakistan with no sixes in PP of first 10 overs, still ended up chasing 345 in a world cup which no team has ever done.

The whole point of PP is that the field is up, thus, even a boundary counts. It is not necessary that you have to hit a 6 in the PP as a 4 does the job also as there isnt any fielder on the boudary.

Besides, Babar play his shots on the ground, and if he is doing that there is no issue.
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You guys are forgetting that this SL bowling is below average even for this WC. Basically they had no wicket taking bowler besides Theekshana. So Rizwan and Shafique could hit out freely solely in the middle overs and still win the match. That might not work out against India.
 
Farabi said:
Cricket isn’t a one size fits all approach. As you rightly point out, strike rotation and dispatching bad balls for 4s is the way to big scores consistently. Pak chased down 344 convincingly with no 6 in PP.
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I agree with this but the team is unbalanced.

Abdullah needs someone like saim because one can play freely while the other can take time but eventually catch up and play a massive innings. This use to work when fakhar was inform and azhar was opening in CT 2017 cause azhar took time but eventually kept caught up with fakhar. Abdullah has the added advantage that he's can actually play very long innings and stay for a long time. I'm sure he'll make plenty 150+ scores as time moves on.

You can't have both imam and Abdullah open and be 40 for 0 in the first 10 every time. What if they get out? They won't perform in every match.

Same way, why I dislike babar and rizzu at 3 and 4. Their great batsmen, no doubt but only if they perform they win games, when they don't, because they take time, they leave Pakistan in a state where RR is even more crippled, Hence babar/ Rizzu + Saud would he better cause saud can start at 90 and go up to 140 if he gets set while rizzu or babar can anchor.

That's the formula for most teams. Only Pakistan wants accumulators only.

Yes cricket isn't a one size fits all approach but ironically imam and Babar departing early is what led us to victory, Because Abdullah quickly took on the striking role while rizzu anchored and the moment Abduallah departed, Saud went and struck at 100SR. And once saud departed, Rizzu took on the reigns and Accelerated.

It's always one player plays freely while the other keeps things steady.

You can't have everyone keep things steady because otherwise the ship won't move.
 
So, once again there are no six being hit in the Powerplay. In fact in the game after 32 overs until now by Pakistan. Are Indian Bowlers bowling too well or is this the Pakistani Batter's poor approach?
 
mominsaigol said:
Abdullah needs someone like saim because one can play freely while the other can take time but eventually catch up and play a massive innings. This use to work when fakhar was inform and azhar was opening in CT 2017 cause azhar took time but eventually kept caught up with fakhar.
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So you are advocating an approach from last decade?

It's 2023.

If you want to succeed against Top teams (Aus, ind, Eng, NZ, SA), both your openers should have 100+ SR.
All your batters in MO should also have 100+ SR except 1 batter if he is Root or Kohli or Kane.

mominsaigol said:
babar/ Rizzu + Saud would he better cause Saud can start at 90 and go up to 140 ??? if he gets set while rizzu or babar can anchor.
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A.Shafique, Saud & Rizwan were able to score @100+ SR bcz they were facing weaker bowling attacks.

Against top teams, they would be back to their comfort levels / اوقات
(just like today vs india. Riz played with SR 70, Saud who was bashing Netherlands easily, departed early against quality spinners).

There's a reason Saud's SR hangs around 85 in domestic cricket.
 
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