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Shocking stat: Pakistan have 0 powerplay (0-10 overs) sixes in ODI'S in 2023!

Falcon'sParwaz said:
So you are advocating an approach from last decade?

It's 2023.

If you want to succeed against Top teams (Aus, ind, Eng, NZ, SA), both your openers should have 100+ SR.
All your batters in MO should also have 100+ SR except 1 batter if he is Root or Kohli or Kane.


A.Shafique, Saud & Rizwan were able to score @100+ SR bcz they were facing weaker bowling attacks.

Against top teams, they would be back to their comfort levels / اوقات
(just like today vs india. Riz played with SR 70, Saud who was bashing Netherlands easily, departed early against quality spinners).

There's a reason Saud's SR hangs around 85 in domestic cricket.
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Fair point.
 
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What we needed is aggressive players like saim ayub, Hassan Nawaz or Mohammed Haris opening on these flat pitches not weak timid players such Imam ul haq and shafiqe. Hence why we will never be able to clear the inner circle ⭕️ never mind the boundary
 
Posted this in the other thread.....

'A big issue regarding Pakistan's six hitting abilities are the size of the boundaries set up by PCB. In an effort for more 6s and 4s the boundaries are really short in domestic cricket and PSL. The moment the batsmen see these big boundaries in international cricket, they're worried about getting caught on the line.

PCB needs to set large boundaries in domestic cricket.'
 
What did you expect when captain was adamant on playing his best friend Imam whose style of batting has been outdated since the 90s.
 
Ever since @Saj shared the tweet this is catching on. Simon Doull said Pakistan has hit a six in 1000 balls in the power play. It is being called out by many media. Will there be a change in approach?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Ever since @Saj shared the tweet this is catching on. Simon Doull said Pakistan has hit a six in 1000 balls in the power play. It is being called out by many media. Will there be a change in approach?
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Your abilities dictate your approach. If a player cannot hit a six then you can't demand or expect him too.
 
Savak said:
Your abilities dictate your approach. If a player cannot hit a six then you can't demand or expect him too.
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Is there a case for promoting Iftikar to no.3 or even open. Does he have technique to survive just in case ball is jagging around. After all that was the template for Srilanka in 1996. Kalu and Jaya. He is the only one guy who seems to have clean six hitting skill. Others do hit. But it is just not natural.
 
Regardless, this particular stat is irrelevant - as scoring runs at a good SR by any means is what matters.
Stat about SR will be much more relevant to team's performance.
 
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Clutching at straws no we are no impact players Fakhar is an impact player though inconsistent but wee need to get him in, with lack of hitting sixes how will we counter Aus NZ SA Eng
 
Fakhar was in the team when these stats kept on getting worse in recent times as well. Fakhar is in really bad form so is Imam and both of them are not real fit to make any real impact. So either we experiment with some new guy or else we will suffer and make these stats even worse.
 
No sixes hit by Sri Lanka against Australia in the first 25 overs yet still going at a RR of 6
 
BaankeJi said:
Regardless, this particular stat is irrelevant - as scoring runs at a good SR by any means is what matters.
Stat about SR will be much more relevant to team's performance.
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True, but it’s good to highlight the issue.

Let’s hope Saim Ayub and Haris can lead us into the next ODI WC as openers. Maybe Imam can be there too but he needs to work harder on his game.
 
what else we can expect players like imam and babar who mostly utilizes powerplay.

We need players like Saim ayub who can provide u initial boost with some sixes.
 
I think some are missing the point of this analysis. It is a reflection of your intent. Not just the ability. Sure there may be one or two matches where other teams won't hit a six. But that is not the norm for them. But for Pakistan, this is the norm. Also some use results to discount this stat. The result can be due to many reasons like their bowling is bad.
 
Pakistan needs a complete reboot since 2003 WC SA but the leeches in system continue their way the parasitess in PCB are to blame for this, if only had they boycotted the WC
 
This subject of the thread is trending. Today Simon doull brought up the point about how Pakistan has not hit a six for 1000 balls in the power play
 
its obvious pak are playing by numbers and not the balls on merit, there is no statistical way that they have not faced at least one six hit worthy ball in 1000 balls.

they simply choose not to play aerial shots because they don't have the confidence to.
 
There’s a curse on our team, as soon as the PP1 ended, we saw Shafique hit a 6. AS SOON AS THE PP ENDED, WE SAW OUR OPENERS PLAY AERIAL. If that’s not taking the mick then what is .
 
You don't need to hit sixes but having the ability to makes it easier to go at 7 and 8 rr per over lol.

singles and doubles can only get you so far. How many can you take consistently to up the ante?
 
Mitchel Marsh, first over six to Shaheen

That’s where the intent to score big was psychologically a massive dent on Pakistan.

Hitting sixes early on is extremely important
 
Asad T said:
If we can't break this record today, we never will

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There are something predictable. I expecetd a high six count from australia here. It happened. And also i expected atleast one six to hit the roof. Two hit the roof. My favorite six in this stadium is besides ABDV sixes, Gayle sixes one from MSD against Chahal is ridiculously monsterous. You expect this here. Pakistan was poor in that regard.

Just see where the ball is lol

POWER! When MS Dhoni was in the house

You needed one fielder on the roof for this power packed shot from MS Dhoni
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The only batsmen who could do it without hitting 6s day in and day out was Michael Bevan.

Babar, Rizwan and Imam are not fit to tie shoe laces of Michael Bevan.
 
Data and analysis plays a huge role now, have Pakistan identified the guys who can hit sixe Muhammad Nawaz is the one who can clear the boundary but he is newing wasted at No.7,
 
Rana said:
Mitchel Marsh, first over six to Shaheen

That’s where the intent to score big was psychologically a massive dent on Pakistan.

Hitting sixes early on is extremely important
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As the saying goes In Australia

Do it for your country, do it for your name.

And as the saying goes in Pakistan

Do it for goal gappei, do it for the cakes 🎂
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The only batsmen who could do it without hitting 6s day in and day out was Michael Bevan.

Babar, Rizwan and Imam are not fit to tie shoe laces of Michael Bevan.
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Babar and Rizwan both were looking for their customary fifty runs
 
David Warner knee down pick up Six against Rauf (first ball in the powerplay)

That’s when Pakistan knew they were doomed.
 
Even if the openers don't hit 6's, they still were at around 130ish after 20 overs today which to be honest, is not too bad.
If anything it was the rest of the batsmen that didn't finish the game off.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
If you watch Imam other than a few attempted lofted drive he has t hie low back lift to make sure he doesn't get out and play risk free cricket
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Only person who could score big and easily surpass the rr while playing risk free was kumar sangakara, and that's because he had so many single and double scoring shots and was an expert at finding gaps.

All imam does is hope the batsmen lodges it in his arc so he can nudge. Its painful to watch.
 
Ali T said:
Even if the openers don't hit 6's, they still were at around 130ish after 20 overs today which to be honest, is not too bad.
If anything it was the rest of the batsmen that didn't finish the game off.
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That is poor approach. Only scenario that is allowed when the set batsmen go deep and accelerate the innings towards the end. If you get out without providing acceleration leaving all the acceleration to incoming betters you will be in trouble. We saw that with Australia. Apart from set batsmen nobody had any sense of timing. There is no guarantee the incoming batter will start timing well from the get go.
 
I won't blame the toss though. Pakistan would have settled for 300 here and got canned while fielding under lights.
 
Ali T said:
Even if the openers don't hit 6's, they still were at around 130ish after 20 overs today which to be honest, is not too bad.
If anything it was the rest of the batsmen that didn't finish the game off.
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Wrong approach.

Chasing 370 if you hit 130 in 20 u are expecting the remaining 5 batsmen to bat @8 an over plus for next 30 overs.

The ONLY way to chase 350 plus is to hit 160-2 in 20 so the remaining batsmen have to hit 200 odd in 180 balls.

Playing @6 an over chasing 350 plus is NEVER going to work against good teams.
 
Just imagine Shafique hit 2 sixes on Hazlewood’s 2nd or 4th over in this chase

The mood would have been so different
 
Ali T said:
Even if the openers don't hit 6's, they still were at around 130ish after 20 overs today which to be honest, is not too bad.
If anything it was the rest of the batsmen that didn't finish the game off.
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Warner and Marsh took the game away and outbatted everyone.

Our intent was to take the game to the end which led to a collapse and these collapses happen consistently cause no 5 is pur last batting, no 6 and onwards their tailenders. Chacha will always be a tail ender to wrist spin and everyone Below him is hilarious.

The take the game to the end approach is the problem. Whether its chasing 250 or 360, we try to take it to the end and just put pressure on ourselves.
 
Now PPers who use to loathe Shahid Afridi realised the importance of such impact player, absolute shame that a nation which breeeded Afridi Imran Nazir Saeed Anwar Salim Malik Abdul Razzaq now cannot hit a six in 1000 PP overs, that too in modern era
 
Rana said:
Just imagine Shafique hit 2 sixes on Hazlewood’s 2nd or 4th over in this chase

The mood would have been so different
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The dude has no power game lol.

His arms are made of Maggie noodles
 
Rana said:
Just imagine Shafique hit 2 sixes on Hazlewood’s 2nd or 4th over in this chase

The mood would have been so different
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They missed atleast 4 sixes off Starc in the power play. Anyone like Isan Kishan or QDK would have deposited in the stands. Just a pick up shot. Ball will clear 58 meter easily. You don't need to anything else. But Imam gently flicked for a single.
 
Kianig89 said:
Now PPers who use to loathe Shahid Afridi realised the importance of such impact player, absolute shame that a nation which breeeded Afridi Imran Nazir Saeed Anwar Salim Malik Abdul Razzaq now cannot hit a six in 1000 PP overs, that too in modern era
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Who use to loathe afridi? Afridi was a goated bowler and bowlers even though afridi didn't perform much use to fear the crap out of the guy.

Afridi has scared every bowler he's ever met, whereas Babar has been frightened by every spinner bowler he's ever met minus minnows 😂😂
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They missed atleast 4 sixes off Starc in the power play. Anyone like Isan Kishan or QDK would have deposited in the stands. Just a pick up shot. Ball will clear 58 meter easily. You don't need to anything else. But Imam gently flicked for a single.
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Hook and pull are one of the shots for Six and add flick and upper cut to it , most of Pakistan batsman are weak or these shots are non existent in their armoury
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They missed atleast 4 sixes off Starc in the power play. Anyone like Isan Kishan or QDK would have deposited in the stands. Just a pick up shot. Ball will clear 58 meter easily. You don't need to anything else. But Imam gently flicked for a single.
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Starc 4 wides in first over

Intent would have meant that Pakistan have to clip one to sail over the boundary
 
Ali T said:
Even if the openers don't hit 6's, they still were at around 130ish after 20 overs today which to be honest, is not too bad.
If anything it was the rest of the batsmen that didn't finish the game off.
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That's pathetic approach when you are chasing 370. This is Aus, not Sri. There was no mediocre spinner, there was no hit me chucker like Pathirana, no spray gun trundler like Shanaka or Madhu. Just because they got away against a terrible attack doesn't mean they were always going to get away. Abdullah technique & Imam tuktuk either needed to hit out or get out sooner.
 
Rana said:
Just imagine Shafique hit 2 sixes on Hazlewood’s 2nd or 4th over in this chase

The mood would have been so different
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You are expecting too much from a guy who worships Babar. That means he will never show any intent even if he has the ability. Safety over intent is the mantra of Babar brand.
 
VForVendetta said:
You are expecting too much from a guy who worships Babar. That means he will never show any intent even if he has the ability. Safety over intent is the mantra of Babar brand.
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Tbh, he shpuld stick to test only. He's been good in that format.
 
Misba is ripping the Pak batting approach to shreds for not going for sixes in Pavilion. He feels 19 - 6 six count played a major role. I understand fans will love to bring up his approach in his days :) But he is on point. I don't have the snippet of that. If someone has can share it.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Wrong approach.

Chasing 370 if you hit 130 in 20 u are expecting the remaining 5 batsmen to bat @8 an over plus for next 30 overs.

The ONLY way to chase 350 plus is to hit 160-2 in 20 so the remaining batsmen have to hit 200 odd in 180 balls.

Playing @6 an over chasing 350 plus is NEVER going to work against good teams.
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This. Not to mention, opposing team needs just 1 wicket to to slower the pace. New batsman while he takes his time, RR will up aggressively. The set batsman will have to play aggressively which is why most often, both the openers will be back in the hut.... And the collapse will occur.

If you make 150-160 By this time, it gives room for new batsman to adjust and then continue the assault.

Openers needs to be blamed here.
 
Imam-ul-Haq: "Each team has it’s own methods. We prefer a solid foundation at the start but we’ve still chased down big totals. We’ve chased 350 or more on 4 or 5 occasions recently and we were 49/2 after 10 overs in one of those matches, but in the end we won"
 
daytrader said:
Imam-ul-Haq: "Each team has it’s own methods. We prefer a solid foundation at the start but we’ve still chased down big totals. We’ve chased 350 or more on 4 or 5 occasions recently and we were 49/2 after 10 overs in one of those matches, but in the end we won"
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Yeah we chase 350 all the time don’t we Imam with our ‘method’?
 
As @Rana says we have our own style, no need to copy anyone :D.

But in all seriousness, this is an unexpected and awful stat. With the field in, a few sixes are the norm. Do Pakistan not employ a power hitting coach?

Having watched Bairstow and Sharma, they tend to use the pace of the ball and timing to scoop the ball into the stands and seems a relatively safe shot, not sure why our batters are scared to do the same.

The likes of Sharma only start using more brute power after PP as its a more riskier shot with field spread.
 
Mods should add a video of this response. He answered this question very aggressively, clear anger as he was the one being targeted for his lack of intent.

Why can’t he show this aggression in his batting during the powerplay? Does he only show proper intent in interviews when questioned?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Is there a case for promoting Iftikar to no.3 or even open. Does he have technique to survive just in case ball is jagging around. After all that was the template for Srilanka in 1996. Kalu and Jaya. He is the only one guy who seems to have clean six hitting skill. Others do hit. But it is just not natural.
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Iftikhar relies on pace it would be a good shout for him to open or even come one down
 
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