Should cremations be outlawed for the environment?

[Giannis]

Was watching coverage of India's covid pandemic and noticed how common cremations are over there, the skies are filled with smoke and can only imagine how bad the air quality must be. Isn't it just better to bury the dead as the body would just naturally decompose in the soil? Is it like a strict religious obligation for Hindus to cremate the dead or do they have a choice?

 

[ahmedzee]

More emissions are there under Bitcoin mining than these cremations.
But a good solution to both the problems is CO2 capture and storage. Thing will be burned until humans are alive. Better to reduce emissions through capture technologies.

 

[jeetu]

I would prefer electric cremation.

 

[gani999]

Most crematoriums in India are either gas based or electric now. However, some wood burning ones still exist as some religious types still demand it.

I've lived close to a wood burning crematorium and the pollution isn't as bad. The vehicular emissions in India's streets are a lot worse.

 

[street cricketer]

No.

And yes, it carries religious significance.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Most crematoriums in India are either gas based or electric now. However, some wood burning ones still exist as some religious types still demand it.

I've lived close to a wood burning crematorium and the pollution isn't as bad. The vehicular emissions in India's streets are a lot worse.

Just out of curiosity and without disrespect to the dead (may they RIP), during wood cremation, how does it smell? if I am not wrong do they use oil on wood? does it smell like bbq? (sorry for cursed question)

 

[gani999]

Just out of curiosity and without disrespect to the dead (may they RIP), during wood cremation, how does it smell? if I am not wrong do they use oil on wood? does it smell like bbq? (sorry for cursed question)

It has a very distinct smell.

Pluck a strand of your hair, set fire to it and inhale. You'll get an idea.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just out of curiosity and without disrespect to the dead (may they RIP), during wood cremation, how does it smell? if I am not wrong do they use oil on wood? does it smell like bbq? (sorry for cursed question)

I asked this before, and was advised by [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] - one of the foremost hindu contributor to this site - that they use sandalwood to cover the smell (if I recall correctly).

On the subject itself, burial makes more sense to me from an organic viewpoint, but I suppose this can be contested. Anyway, there will also be religious ritual sensitivity as well so that might trump environmental concerns for hindus.

 

[Justcrazy]

Most crematoriums in India are either gas based or electric now. However, some wood burning ones still exist as some religious types still demand it.

I've lived close to a wood burning crematorium and the pollution isn't as bad. The vehicular emissions in India's streets are a lot worse.

I think it depends upon how many people are cremated there every day.

 

[Justcrazy]

I asked this before, and was advised by [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] - one of the foremost hindu contributor to this site - that they use sandalwood to cover the smell (if I recall correctly).

On the subject itself, burial makes more sense to me from an organic viewpoint, but I suppose this can be contested. Anyway, there will also be religious ritual sensitivity as well so that might trump environmental concerns for hindus.

S$andalwood is very expensive, I think richer people use that.

 

[gani999]

I asked this before, and was advised by [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] - one of the foremost hindu contributor to this site - that they use sandalwood to cover the smell (if I recall correctly).

On the subject itself, burial makes more sense to me from an organic viewpoint, but I suppose this can be contested. Anyway, there will also be religious ritual sensitivity as well so that might trump environmental concerns for hindus.

Burial makes no sense in the times of pricey real estate. In many countries, burial grounds are so short of space that they are having to exhume old graves to make room for new ones.

Cremation using electricity or gas is the best option, both economically and environmentally.

And only the very very rich can afford to use sandalwood to cremate. It costs a fortune, in case you didn't know.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Burial makes no sense in the times of pricey real estate. In many countries, burial grounds are so short of space that they are having to exhume old graves to make room for new ones.

Cremation using electricity or gas is the best option, both economically and environmentally.

And only the very very rich can afford to use sandalwood to cremate. It costs a fortune, in case you didn't know.

It was probably some other method of covering the smell mentioned to be fair, the sandalwood is probably just me getting wires crossed.

But anyway the point you didn't address was the religious sensitivity, and that is going to be the main issue. I don't know whether there is ritual significance or cremation is optional in hindu culture. You would know better, perhaps you can advise.

 

[MenInG]

Please do not pass any insensitive comments about anyone's rituals

I urge you all to read discussion here to understand what cremation is about:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...re-the-current-customs-and-their-significance

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Just out of curiosity and without disrespect to the dead (may they RIP), during wood cremation, how does it smell? if I am not wrong do they use oil on wood? does it smell like bbq? (sorry for cursed question)

From what I've heard. I think one of the very intimidating part in the wood burning is (and correct me if I am wrong if any Hindus here know better), is that they have to pull out half charred body from the fire, and smack the skull with an iron rod or brick to shatter the bones, and then they put the body back in the fire. This way, the brain etc also turns into ashes.

 

[gani999]

It was probably some other method of covering the smell mentioned to be fair, the sandalwood is probably just me getting wires crossed.

But anyway the point you didn't address was the religious sensitivity, and that is going to be the main issue. I don't know whether there is ritual significance or cremation is optional in hindu culture. You would know better, perhaps you can advise.

A lot of Hindus bury too. Only upper caste Hindus cremate.

And a lot of these upper castes are now cremating their dead in electric crematoriums, giving religious sensitivity a go-by. My own family is an example.

Of course, there are still those who insist on a wood pyre cremation for religious reasons, but they are reducing in number, I would hope.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

From what I've heard. I think one of the very intimidating part in the wood burning is (and correct me if I am wrong if any Hindus here know better), is that they have to pull out half charred body from the fire, and smack the skull with an iron rod or brick to shatter the bones, and then they put the body back in the fire. This way, the brain etc also turns into ashes.

^^
This is not meant to offend anyone.
It's only for my own knowledge. I respect everyone's faith.

 

[street cricketer]

From what I've heard. I think one of the very intimidating part in the wood burning is (and correct me if I am wrong if any Hindus here know better), is that they have to pull out half charred body from the fire, and smack the skull with an iron rod or brick to shatter the bones, and then they put the body back in the fire. This way, the brain etc also turns into ashes.

On the plus side, one wouldn't feel the pain of the smack to his head when he has kicked the bucket.

 

[Jadz]

On the plus side, one wouldn't feel the pain of the smack to his head when he has kicked the bucket.

That would be based upon the assumption that all feelings, thoughts and senses die with the flesh - so that nothing penetrates the dead. Those who believe in life after death see in the latter a temporary phase or stage, during which the individual is in a kind of sleeping state, but cannot awaken though is able to feel everything and is fully conscious of his/her surroundings.

Fire, in Christianity and Islam, is associated with the raging fires of Hell and, thus, with punishment.

Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Regarding the question as to whether cremations should be banned, this would interfere with the religious beliefs, customs or rights of Hindus and those who prefer cremation to burial. In India, whilst the traditional believer will want to be cremated in the way of his ancestors, those more aware of environmental concerns and the educated will opt for the modern version, (electric cremations).

 

[street cricketer]

That would be based upon the assumption that all feelings, thoughts and senses die with the flesh - so that nothing penetrates the dead. Those who believe in life after death see in the latter a temporary phase or stage, during which the individual is in a kind of sleeping state, but cannot awaken though is able to feel everything and is fully conscious of his/her surroundings.

Fire, in Christianity and Islam, is associated with the raging fires of Hell and, thus, with punishment.

Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Yes, different communities have different beliefs as to what happens after death. But nobody can answer the question with absolute certainty.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

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^^
This is not meant to offend anyone.
It's only for my own knowledge. I respect everyone's faith.

Yes this is done to form the ashes when doing wood burning.

Also it has a spiritual meaning of releasing the soul from the brain/head as it is said that soul leaves from mind last.

I cremated my father back in 2006 on wood pyre and this is part of Sikh cremation as well as most of our ceremonies for death are same.

These days there is a mix of the crematoriums which are electric in India.
In small towns of India though people are more inclined to wood fire.

 

[PakLFC]

Traditional cremations as in India should be banned for now. The ones in the west are done very differently, they are no danger to anyone.

 

[Itachi]

From what I've heard. I think one of the very intimidating part in the wood burning is (and correct me if I am wrong if any Hindus here know better), is that they have to pull out half charred body from the fire, and smack the skull with an iron rod or brick to shatter the bones, and then they put the body back in the fire. This way, the brain etc also turns into ashes.

Yup. this is true. The skull takes the most time of the cremation and hence it is broken in to pieces so that it gets cremated quicker.

They don't pull out the half burnt body though. While piling up the woods, they keep provisions for that before hand so that they won't need to do that.

And for other posts, rarely people use sandlewoods. The smell, as people are guessing, isn't that strong and there are ingredients such as ghee and other such are poured. You can stand near it without any issues of suffocation or any as such. And since it's done in open space, it gets blend very easily.

As for the thread, there are sectors which are 100 times more polluting than cremation. May be address those first before going in to fields which create negligible amount of pollution.

If one is really concern about pollution, If I may ask, what car does he drive?

fossil fuel or electric one?

If it's fossil fuel, how can you point fingers at others since you are also sharing towards it?

 

[Itachi]

Traditional cremations as in India should be banned for now. The ones in the west are done very differently, they are no danger to anyone.

Our country, our rules.

 

[PakLFC]

Our country, our rules.

The outside world doesn't care! I am answering the question this thread starter is posing. The west and most other countries don't allow your traditional cremations for good reason. We don't want all the poisonous fumes here.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

The outside world doesn't care! I am answering the question this thread starter is posing. The west and most other countries don't allow your traditional cremations for good reason. We don't want all the poisonous fumes here.

Yeah but he makes a good point in his first post - why are we going after their religion when there are hundreds of other ways to reduce this pollution such as automobiles, electricity production, etc. While I may not agree with cremation but it seems like you're just trying to berate his religion for such a trivial reason...

 

[Itachi]

The outside world doesn't care! I am answering the question this thread starter is posing. The west and most other countries don't allow your traditional cremations for good reason. We don't want all the poisonous fumes here.

their country, their rules.

Your country, your rules.

stop driving fossil fuel cars first before pointing fingers.

 

[PakLFC]

their country, their rules.

Your country, your rules.

stop driving fossil fuel cars first before pointing fingers.

Have a look at the headline of this thread before speaking nonsense. Yes cremations should be outlawed for the sake of mother nature. Burning dead people is harmful in many ways and always will be.

 

[PakLFC]

Yeah but he makes a good point in his first post - why are we going after their religion when there are hundreds of other ways to reduce this pollution such as automobiles, electricity production, etc. While I may not agree with cremation but it seems like you're just trying to berate his religion for such a trivial reason...

I did not say anything against religion at all. Even if a Muslim or atheist was cremated I would say the same. I am against traditional cremations not the ones permitted in the west in some kind of machine. I appreciate that in many religions burials are disallowed.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The government should have no role in deciding whether people are cremated or buried. It should be the choice of the individual, and if that person did make a choice prior to dying, then their family should decide.

 

[PakLFC]

The government should have no role in deciding whether people are cremated or buried. It should be the choice of the individual, and if that person did make a choice prior to dying, then their family should decide.

The government has every right to intervene if it causes harm to the environment. All governments have no problems with cremations where the coffin is placed in a machine. Keep the traditional method in Hindu majority countries.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

The government has every right to intervene if it causes harm to the environment. All governments have no problems with cremations where the coffin is placed in a machine. Keep the traditional method in Hindu majority countries.

Isn’t that what happens anyway.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I would prefer electric cremation.

Most crematoriums in India are either gas based or electric now. However, some wood burning ones still exist as some religious types still demand it.

I've lived close to a wood burning crematorium and the pollution isn't as bad. The vehicular emissions in India's streets are a lot worse.

Out of curiosity how does electric cremation work? I tried to google but didn’t find a well laid out article.

Like do you not see the body burning in front of you and it just happens in some cylinder? I didn’t even know about this wood fire cremation till this covid crisis and interestingly an Indian tv show called mirzapur where a ghunda is cremating his dad.

 

[Itachi]

The government has every right to intervene if it causes harm to the environment. All governments have no problems with cremations where the coffin is placed in a machine. Keep the traditional method in Hindu majority countries.

Heh? Indian hindus are doing in india. If west prohibits it, then NRIs shouldn't do that. I finding it hard to grasp your argument since what you stated as "should be done" is been done exactly like that.

 

[Tubs]

I think it's negligible, really. Animal agriculture is far more wide-spread and a much larger contributor to climate change. Though that won't be given up due to the insane profit margin and because it tastes nice- both ridiculous justifications.

 

[PakLFC]

Heh? Indian hindus are doing in india. If west prohibits it, then NRIs shouldn't do that. I finding it hard to grasp your argument since what you stated as "should be done" is been done exactly like that.

My argument is simple! Traditional cremations are harmful to environment everywhere.As far as I know India is also part of planet earth. It would be beneficial to India if it followed how the west cremates the deceased through a machine. What we see in India especially since the Covid ran riot is people being cremated in hundreds on burning fire. Surely this is so very unhealthy to the environment.

 

[Itachi]

My argument is simple! Traditional cremations are harmful to environment everywhere.As far as I know India is also part of planet earth. It would be beneficial to India if it followed how the west cremates the deceased through a machine. What we see in India especially since the Covid ran riot is people being cremated in hundreds on burning fire. Surely this is so very unhealthy to the environment.

OK. let's look in to perspective then.

How much emission does burning a body does?

Then let's take overall death count of India and assume all of them went through cremation via wood burning.

Where does this number will end up in terms of contribution against energy sector, agricultural contribution?

harmful is subjective matter. Electric waste is a major concern each days passing by.

But while writing this post, you yourself are using a mobile or laptop which will contribute towards the electric waste.

What is stopping you? If you are so much concern about environment, why you are using transportation which leads to pollution? Why use electric gadgets which leads to electric waste?

 

[PakLFC]

OK. let's look in to perspective then.

How much emission does burning a body does?

Then let's take overall death count of India and assume all of them went through cremation via wood burning.

Where does this number will end up in terms of contribution against energy sector, agricultural contribution?

harmful is subjective matter. Electric waste is a major concern each days passing by.

But while writing this post, you yourself are using a mobile or laptop which will contribute towards the electric waste.

What is stopping you? If you are so much concern about environment, why you are using transportation which leads to pollution? Why use electric gadgets which leads to electric waste?

You are comparing a mobile to cremating dead people!! Have you ever seen the disaster burning dead body's cause and how it damages the earth??? The statistics you are supposedly providing are not backed up by scientific evidence. What should happen is cremations in India should be done as in the west satisfying all aspects.

Using mobile, laptops or TV's can not be compared to the millions of people cremated daily in India.

 

[street cricketer]

Out of curiosity how does electric cremation work? I tried to google but didn’t find a well laid out article.

Like do you not see the body burning in front of you and it just happens in some cylinder? I didn’t even know about this wood fire cremation till this covid crisis and interestingly an Indian tv show called mirzapur where a ghunda is cremating his dad.

Works like an incinerator does.

 

[Itachi]

You are comparing a mobile to cremating dead people!! Have you ever seen the disaster burning dead body's cause and how it damages the earth??? The statistics you are supposedly providing are not backed up by scientific evidence. What should happen is cremations in India should be done as in the west satisfying all aspects.

Using mobile, laptops or TV's can not be compared to the millions of people cremated daily in India.

This is the tactics people resrot to make argument.

When PakLFC makes an argument for him (electronic waste), it's A Mobile

When it comes to cremating people, it's millions of people

Next, Indian birth rate hovers around 80,000 babies per day.

According to PakLFC, per day people that are being cremated, 10,00,000 (minimum).

I don't know whether people are living in a fantasy land or just making up statistics as they go to suit their needs.

 

[Jadz]

Yes, different communities have different beliefs as to what happens after death. But nobody can answer the question with absolute certainty.

Very true. This is why Faith - religion (Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism and so on) - rests upon belief in a realm beyond human perception. That necessarily means humankind does not, and will never, possess absolute or complete knowledge, and only after Death (or the End Times/Last Day) will a greater degree of it become apparent.

The difference between appearance and reality is the separation of Life from Death, they are inextricably linked, but the Truth is half-concealed from view and will be unveiled at the time of God's choosing and timing.

I speak as a Muslim - but have total respect for those with different or no beliefs.

 

[Technics 1210]

Purley from a natural and scientific perspective - burying and letting the body decay nourishes the ground, where as ash turns the ground barron.

 

[Technics 1210]

Electricity can be generated through natural means - Solar, Wind, Water, Nuclear; whereas Carbon monoxide is a by-product and harmful.

There is no comparison, not even in the same ball park.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

This is the tactics people resrot to make argument.

When PakLFC makes an argument for him (electronic waste), it's A Mobile

When it comes to cremating people, it's millions of people

Next, Indian birth rate hovers around 80,000 babies per day.

According to PakLFC, per day people that are being cremated, 10,00,000 (minimum).

I don't know whether people are living in a fantasy land or just making up statistics as they go to suit their needs.

With a population of over a Billion people, I think we won't be far off as to the number of babies born daily in India. Do you have any official numbers to give us an idea?

Same goes with death rate in India. Do you have any official figures? Say it's 5%. Do the math now.

I have another thought. And it not to offend or an effort to be funny.

say there are 1 Billion people in India.
And at an average, each human makes 1 pound of human excretion a day.
That's 1 billion pounds of human excretion created on daily basis in India. Which is 30 Billion pounds a month.
And then you have millions wandering cows and monkeys and cats and dogs that live among human population. So they must input their fair share as well.
I mean, what kinda environment this scenario would create in the atmosphere? Just a thought.

 

[Itachi]

With a population of over a Billion people, I think we won't be far off as to the number of babies born daily in India. Do you have any official numbers to give us an idea?

Same goes with death rate in India. Do you have any official figures? Say it's 5%. Do the math now.

I have another thought. And it not to offend or an effort to be funny.

say there are 1 Billion people in India.
And at an average, each human makes 1 pound of human excretion a day.
That's 1 billion pounds of human excretion created on daily basis in India. Which is 30 Billion pounds a month.
And then you have millions wandering cows and monkeys and cats and dogs that live among human population. So they must input their fair share as well.
I mean, what kinda environment this scenario would create in the atmosphere? Just a thought.

India's birth rate hovers around 80,000 per day and 30,000 deaths per day (which is why population is increasing).

If there are 10,00,000 deaths per day (minimum), then India's population would have drastically decreased. In mathematics, if we assume something but end up with a wrong result, it simply means our initial assumption was wrong in the first place.

Secondly, excretion is an organic waste. it doesn't contribute towards pollution as it is degradable.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

India's birth rate hovers around 80,000 per day and 30,000 deaths per day (which is why population is increasing).

If there are 10,00,000 deaths per day (minimum), then India's population would have drastically decreased. In mathematics, if we assume something but end up with a wrong result, it simply means our initial assumption was wrong in the first place.

Secondly, excretion is an organic waste. it doesn't contribute towards pollution as it is degradable.

OK apologies. It was my bad.
I thought the original poster stated 10,000 cremations per day in India that seem within the ballpark if we consider 30,000 daily deaths.

 

[PakLFC]

This is the tactics people resrot to make argument.

When PakLFC makes an argument for him (electronic waste), it's A Mobile

When it comes to cremating people, it's millions of people

Next, Indian birth rate hovers around 80,000 babies per day.

According to PakLFC, per day people that are being cremated, 10,00,000 (minimum).

I don't know whether people are living in a fantasy land or just making up statistics as they go to suit their needs.

The argument is simple. Mobile phones do not produce half the waste that millions of traditional cremations do regularly with thousands of bodies burning at the same time. We can not band everything that produces toxic material but can avoid the unnecessary aspects. How many people in India are cremated daily specially since the Covid has hit India so hard. If it was that harmless the west and most countries would not have banned traditional methods of cremation.

 

[Lego20]

The outside world doesn't care! I am answering the question this thread starter is posing. The west and most other countries don't allow your traditional cremations for good reason. We don't want all the poisonous fumes here.

Burial takes up land resources. Now?

 

[PakLFC]

Burial takes up land resources. Now?

Of course they do. Burials however to not leave toxic fumes. It takes up to six hours to burn one human body. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...on-environmentally-friendly-heres-the-science

 

[Itachi]

The argument is simple. Mobile phones do not produce half the waste that millions of traditional cremations do regularly with thousands of bodies burning at the same time. We can not band everything that produces toxic material but can avoid the unnecessary aspects. How many people in India are cremated daily specially since the Covid has hit India so hard. If it was that harmless the west and most countries would not have banned traditional methods of cremation.

From millions, you have brought down the death per day quantity to thousands.... Now that's a good start. I request you to check data instead of assuming something. It's in public domain so anyone can access.

Coming to the bolded part, What is necessity for you, may not be for me and vice versa. Who are you to decide what is necessary and what is unnecessary? For you, what may not hold siginficance but it may hold for me and vice versa.

This holier than thou attitude is especially comes off as irritating if you are complaining for this but remain silent for energy sector, agirculture, mining, fashion industry.... Oh yeah. These are essential sector so let's not talk about this and nit pick the rest whatever causing it thus distracting the audience from the most harmful causes.

 

[PakLFC]

From millions, you have brought down the death per day quantity to thousands.... Now that's a good start. I request you to check data instead of assuming something. It's in public domain so anyone can access.

Coming to the bolded part, What is necessity for you, may not be for me and vice versa. Who are you to decide what is necessary and what is unnecessary? For you, what may not hold siginficance but it may hold for me and vice versa.

This holier than thou attitude is especially comes off as irritating if you are complaining for this but remain silent for energy sector, agirculture, mining, fashion industry.... Oh yeah. These are essential sector so let's not talk about this and nit pick the rest whatever causing it thus distracting the audience from the most harmful causes.

Okay then I stand corrected that millions of Hindu's and Sikh's probably die in India daily, happy? How many people in your opinion die in India every day? Millions yes probably millions in villages probably go unreported. You know India is the champion of fake news?

Saving the environment and earth should be a priority for everyone unless you dream of your future generations living on Mars This is what this thread is about after all and not an attack on any religion. How do you know i do not condemn many other things like the fashion industry as well? Never do i even throw rubbish on the ground outside or wear fur or leather. I do my bit for the environment.

 

[PakLFC]

Why does the progressive west not allow burning people in the open if it is so environmental friendly? "Their country, their rules" is not an answer when the environment is the same everywhere. No wonder India is a mess with all this rubbish going on everywhere.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Burial takes up land resources. Now?

There is a concept of Burial pods if haven't seen it before. Perhaps an alternative to cremation?

 

[PakLFC]

Why west doesn't allow burning people in open? because there aren't hindu majority.

Why PP doesn't allow criticizing Islam and the Prophet? because it has Muslim majority.

Its always their country, their rules. The rules of the land changes depending upon what the people of the land wants, requires.

You kidding me!!? Have you missed that even Hindu's Sikh's and Buddhists are not allowed to cremate openly in the west, nice try!. Once again this thread is about environment not any religion neither is anyone attacking any faith here. Even many atheists cremate as well I believe. You are free to disagree with Islamic principles here.

No. Every country is part of the earth. In India you currently have so many people burning next to shanty towns and slums.

 

[Itachi]

You kidding me!!? Have you missed that even Hindu's Sikh's and Buddhists are not allowed to cremate openly in the west, nice try!. Once again this thread is about environment not any religion neither is anyone attacking any faith here. Even many atheists cremate as well I believe. You are free to disagree with Islamic principles here.

No. Every country is part of the earth. In India you currently have so many people burning next to shanty towns and slums.

Are Hindus, shikh, Buddhists the majority in west?

Read my post again.

 

[PakLFC]

Are Hindus, shikh, Buddhists the majority in west?

Read my post again.

I did read it. Point I am making is Hindu's and all are not allowed to cremate in the west for environmental reasons. This is because unlike India the west cares about the environment. Muslim's are also a minority in the west yet burials are allowed because they do not damage the earth.

 

[Itachi]

I did read it. Point I am making is Hindu's and all are not allowed to cremate in the west for environmental reasons. This is because unlike India the west cares about the environment. Muslim's are also a minority in the west yet burials are allowed because they do not damage the earth.

laws of the land inclines towards majority.

The difference of rules and regulations depends upon the community, it's perspective towards different subjects including religion.

As community changes, so does the law of the land.

burials are allowed because Christian does the same. Muslims got benefitted as a side effect.

 

[street cricketer]

I did read it. Point I am making is Hindu's and all are not allowed to cremate in the west for environmental reasons. This is because unlike India the west cares about the environment. Muslim's are also a minority in the west yet burials are allowed because they do not damage the earth.

Are you sure cremations are not allowed in the west?

 

[OMB]

Are you sure cremations are not allowed in the west?

I think he meant openly. ofcourse cremations are allowed in the West. and in north south east middle east too.

 

[PakLFC]

laws of the land inclines towards majority.

The difference of rules and regulations depends upon the community, it's perspective towards different subjects including religion.

As community changes, so does the law of the land.

burials are allowed because Christian does the same. Muslims got benefitted as a side effect.

No not true. Many non religious people in the west prefer cremations too. So if majority disallow cremations it is because they look upon it as being harmful towards the environment that is certainly is. Are you suggesting burning people in millions has no effect on the environment in India? Well, I sure hope the India community changes for the better in this regard.

 

[PakLFC]

Are you sure cremations are not allowed in the west?

Traditional cremations where people are burnt on wooden pyre is banned. I have no problem when the other more environmental friendly method is used. There have been some incidents in the west where the request of devout Hindu's to undergo traditional cremations was flatly refused.

 

[Itachi]

No not true. Many non religious people in the west prefer cremations too. So if majority disallow cremations it is because they look upon it as being harmful towards the environment that is certainly is. Are you suggesting burning people in millions has no effect on the environment in India? Well, I sure hope the India community changes for the better in this regard.

You are not grasping my point.

many people in west prefer cremation but they are not MAJORITY.

If Christians would have openly cremated instead of burying, west would have followed that too.

The rule of any land follows the majority.

 

[street cricketer]

Traditional cremations where people are burnt on wooden pyre is banned. I have no problem when the other more environmental friendly method is used. There have been some incidents in the west where the request of devout Hindu's to undergo traditional cremations was flatly refused.

If I were you, I wouldn't be trashing on other religious customs claiming to be a woke muslim. Before you know, the PETA activists will be marching with their placards for a bloodless Eid.

 

[gani999]

I did read it. Point I am making is Hindu's and all are not allowed to cremate in the west for environmental reasons. This is because unlike India the west cares about the environment. Muslim's are also a minority in the west yet burials are allowed because they do not damage the earth.

Most western countries do have electric crematoriums now. And many christians are also cremating their dead nowadays. Burials have become really expensive thanks to land prices and overcrowding in graveyards.

 

[PakLFC]

Most western countries do have electric crematoriums now. And many christians are also cremating their dead nowadays. Burials have become really expensive thanks to land prices and overcrowding in graveyards.

Burials may be expensive but are safe and risk free. I have no problems with modern methods of cremations.

 

[PakLFC]

If I were you, I wouldn't be trashing on other religious customs claiming to be a woke muslim. Before you know, the PETA activists will be marching with their placards for a bloodless Eid.

I can tell you that often i too find large quantities of meat to also be disgusting putting me off it for weeks. I would understand if countries like India banned so much slaughter too. No one is trashing any religion rather a particular act here.

 

[PakLFC]

You are not grasping my point.

many people in west prefer cremation but they are not MAJORITY.

If Christians would have openly cremated instead of burying, west would have followed that too.

The rule of any land follows the majority.

I am saying that modern methods or cremation are fine. These people you are talking about would never support open cremations like they do in India. The west would not allow open cremations even if it was a part of Christian teachings. By the way most of the west is not Christian anymore either so this "majority" thing is not true.

 

[Itachi]

I am saying that modern methods or cremation are fine. These people you are talking about would never support open cremations like they do in India. The west would not allow open cremations even if it was a part of Christian teachings. By the way most of the west is not Christian anymore either so this "majority" thing is not true.

If in west, Christian isn't majority, what is the major religion?

 

[Giannis]

If in west, Christian isn't majority, what is the major religion?

Well Christianity is the majority religion in America, I think most Europeans are Atheist/nonreligious now.

 

[Itachi]

Well Christianity is the majority religion in America, I think most Europeans are Atheist/nonreligious now.

I think majority of people in USA is Buddhists. But what I think doesn't hold any importance because stats show otherwise.

If Christianity isn't major religion, then what it is? Because there's official data provided by any country.

I am guessing you have enough IQ to look through the data?

 

[PakLFC]

If in west, Christian isn't majority, what is the major religion?

Atheism.

 

[Itachi]

Atheism.

Show stats.

 

[PakLFC]

Show stats.

I am sure you know how to use google. Back to the main topic that cremations are harmful to the environment so should be banned irrespective of people from what belief system like it.

 

[street cricketer]

I can tell you that often i too find large quantities of meat to also be disgusting putting me off it for weeks. I would understand if countries like India banned so much slaughter too. No one is trashing any religion rather a particular act here.

The PETA activists and your woke hindu vegetarian counterparts would not just find large quantities of meat disgusting, they would find any quantity of meat disgusting and would vehemently push for a clean and bloodless Eid for their love of animals, as vehemently you're pushing against cremations for your love of the environment.

Maybe you guys can start a woke club together and sort out priorities for each religion.

 

[PakLFC]

The PETA activists and your woke hindu vegetarian counterparts would not just find large quantities of meat disgusting, they would find any quantity of meat disgusting and would vehemently push for a clean and bloodless Eid for their love of animals, as vehemently you're pushing against cremations for your love of the environment.

Maybe you guys can start a woke club together and sort out priorities for each religion.

That is fanaticism forcing people to become vegans which will never happen no matter who says what. I on the other hand believe that open and traditional cremations should be banned for the sake of the environment. Once again modern cremations are acceptable to all. One of the priorities for everyone is the safeguarding of this planet. Feeding on animals does not threaten the earth in any way whatsoever. I am not forcing people to consume halaal neither forbidding swine for those who want it.

 

[street cricketer]

That is fanaticism forcing people to become vegans which will never happen no matter who says what. I on the other hand believe that open and traditional cremations should be banned for the sake of the environment. Once again modern cremations are acceptable to all. One of the priorities for everyone is the safeguarding of this planet. Feeding on animals does not threaten the earth in any way whatsoever. I am not forcing people to consume halaal neither forbidding swine for those who want it.

Facts say otherwise. In fact, it's one of the leading causes of global warming.

As noted film director James Cameron here argues..

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...mental-impact-james-cameron-suzy-amis-cameron

 

[PakLFC]

Facts say otherwise. In fact, it's one of the leading causes of global warming.

As noted film director James Cameron here argues..

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...mental-impact-james-cameron-suzy-amis-cameron

I can provide links of former vegans too. Another thing is in countries like India where cows roam the streets it is best someone ate them otherwise what are you gonna do with them? Too much of anything is a bad thing be it veggies or meat. The human body needs meat too for protein.
https://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/

 

[Tubs]

I can provide links of former vegans too. Another thing is in countries like India where cows roam the streets it is best someone ate them otherwise what are you gonna do with them? Too much of anything is a bad thing be it veggies or meat. The human body needs meat too for protein.
https://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/

Absolutely untrue that meat is required.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2412
This study says that replacing animal protein with plant protein could be associated with longevity (that fact that plant protein instead of animal protein could lead to a longer life shows animal protein isn't required).
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2768358
Higher amounts of plant protein was associated with lower risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality (same as above, shows animal protein isn't required).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048552/
Same as the others, animal protein positively associated with mortality, whereas plant protein is negatively associated.

These are all peer-reviewed, scientific journals, not a news article like the one you posted.

Now, since you are sceptical of the effect of animal farming on the planet, here we go.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0377840111001933?via=ihub
Contribution of live stock farming is up to 18% of global emissions.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/78/3/660S/4690010?login=true
Meat-based agriculture uses far more land, water and energy than plant-based. And most plants grown are fed to livestock, too, meaning that the surplus is two-fold for animals.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61256-2/fulltext
Livestock farming amounts to about a fifth of the world's emissions according to this study.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/89/5/1699S/4596964?login=true
Meat-based agriculture requires 2.5 times more energy, 13 times more fertiliser and 1.4 times more pesticide than plant-based agriculture.

You shouldn't speak so confidently about things which are against the scientific consensus. Also, always check studies for conflicts of interest, as the meat industry funds many studies.

 

[PakLFC]

Absolutely untrue that meat is required.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2412
This study says that replacing animal protein with plant protein could be associated with longevity (that fact that plant protein instead of animal protein could lead to a longer life shows animal protein isn't required).
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2768358
Higher amounts of plant protein was associated with lower risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality (same as above, shows animal protein isn't required).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048552/
Same as the others, animal protein positively associated with mortality, whereas plant protein is negatively associated.

These are all peer-reviewed, scientific journals, not a news article like the one you posted.

Now, since you are sceptical of the effect of animal farming on the planet, here we go.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0377840111001933?via=ihub
Contribution of live stock farming is up to 18% of global emissions.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/78/3/660S/4690010?login=true
Meat-based agriculture uses far more land, water and energy than plant-based. And most plants grown are fed to livestock, too, meaning that the surplus is two-fold for animals.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61256-2/fulltext
Livestock farming amounts to about a fifth of the world's emissions according to this study.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/89/5/1699S/4596964?login=true
Meat-based agriculture requires 2.5 times more energy, 13 times more fertiliser and 1.4 times more pesticide than plant-based agriculture.

You shouldn't speak so confidently about things which are against the scientific consensus. Also, always check studies for conflicts of interest, as the meat industry funds many studies.

So many links bore me! This is our personal opinions not what others think. I can provide zillions of links to challenge your links but prefer too speak for myself. Once again cow's are supposed to be eaten albeit perhaps in not large numbers, we are dependent on them to provide dairy products too.

Plant based food does not provide the same taste or satisfaction that meat does, not even close too it. do like my veggies as well keeping a balance in my diet. It makes perfect sense to consume some meat as well.

 

[Napa]

Was watching coverage of India's covid pandemic and noticed how common cremations are over there, the skies are filled with smoke and can only imagine how bad the air quality must be. Isn't it just better to bury the dead as the body would just naturally decompose in the soil? Is it like a strict religious obligation for Hindus to cremate the dead or do they have a choice?

Why stop at cremations? While you are at it also ban vacations, cruise ships, air conditioners, cars with engines larger than 1000 cc etc. which have a much larger carbon footprint.

 

[street cricketer]

So many links bore me! This is our personal opinions not what others think. I can provide zillions of links to challenge your links but prefer too speak for myself. Once again cow's are supposed to be eaten albeit perhaps in not large numbers, we are dependent on them to provide dairy products too.

Plant based food does not provide the same taste or satisfaction that meat does, not even close too it. do like my veggies as well keeping a balance in my diet. It makes perfect sense to consume some meat as well.

So despite knowing that animal agriculture is the leading cause of global warming in the world and actively damages the environment, you're saying you can't sacrifice meat eating because vegetarian options do not provide the "same taste or satisfaction that meat does, not even close to it" in your own words.

This is no different from orthodox Hindus saying that electrical cremations do not satisfy their religious needs and so do open cremations. You let your personal taste take precedence over the overall welfare of the environment which is what people they do as well.