Should Misbah be allowed to be Pakistan's Head Coach, Chief Selector, Batting Coach and IU coach?

[Abdullah719]

It's rumoured that Misbah's appointment as IU Head Coach is all but officially confirmed. The other PSL franchises are said to be unhappy with this.

Should Misbah be allowed to be a Head Coach for PSL team, alongside his triple role for the Pakistan team?

 

[HappyWarsFan]

They should hire a batting coach other than that he is perfect for the other roles.

 

[Fahdi]

The head coach plus chief selector should not be involved with any single franchise. It creates a massive conflict of interest, he needs to be watching all the teams to scout for talent.

 

[topspin]

Couldn't find the best solution in any of the poll options, so I'll post it here instead.

He shouldn't be allowed to take up any of these roles.

 

[Barragan]

That's the reason why Musa Khan has been selected, otherwise he would nowhere near the national team.

 

[Titan24]

Conflict issue aside how come Mickey Arther remained KK coach and Pak national coach for 2-3 years and PSL franchises are only unhappy now? The precedent was already set so no surprises here.

 

[Titan24]

I think Pak would benefit from a batting coach/ mentor kind of figure and he can share the workload as well. Question would be who is gonna be good enough for that role.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Might as well make him president of pakistan as well while we are at it

Sorry but he shouldnt be undertaking so many different roles.

 

[Khan12]

Couldn't find the best solution in any of the poll options, so I'll post it here instead.

He shouldn't be allowed to take up any of these roles.

Exactly this. I wanted to vote but it didn't have the option on him not having any roles.

 

[Khan12]

Conflict issue aside how come Mickey Arther remained KK coach and Pak national coach for 2-3 years and PSL franchises are only unhappy now? The precedent was already set so no surprises here.

No need to bring mickey in everything. Mickey was rubbish all that misbah isn't and is an honorable man so he shouldn't be accepting that many roles unless he loves cricket so much or ..........

 

[AFM]

When you play the Game of PCB, you either win or become a bitter TV pundit

 

[Khan12]

When you play the Game of PCB, you either win or become a bitter TV pundit

So in other words you are saying misbah is a yes man and has sold himself for money. Pretty much what majority of the people see him as.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

Conflict issue aside how come Mickey Arther remained KK coach and Pak national coach for 2-3 years and PSL franchises are only unhappy now? The precedent was already set so no surprises here.

Could it be because PCB/Mani were against this initially? Also because Misbah is chief selector too?

 

[topspin]

Conflict issue aside how come Mickey Arther remained KK coach and Pak national coach for 2-3 years and PSL franchises are only unhappy now? The precedent was already set so no surprises here.

No let’s not pretend that Mickey’a role and circumstances were analogous because unlike Misbah’s current position, he wasn’t the Chief Selector of the National Team. But I can trust you to find a way to defend something that is indefensible because of your Mickey-phobia.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Clue that if you are a yes man in Pakistan you can have what you want.

 

[topspin]

Exactly this. I wanted to vote but it didn't have the option on him not having any roles.

It would have been nice if this was included in the poll to reflect the sentiment on PP regarding Misbah's appointment and substandard performance.

It wasn't long ago when there was that poll which asked posters on whether they approved of his appointment. 80% of those who voted obviously didn't and the lack of approval is a testament to PP and the quality of the posters on this forum.

 

[MenInG]

It would have been nice if this was included in the poll to reflect the sentiment on PP regarding Misbah's appointment and substandard performance.

It wasn't long ago when there was that poll which asked posters on whether they approved of his appointment. 80% of those who voted obviously didn't and the lack of approval is a testament to PP and the quality of the posters on this forum.

The poll is reflecting current realities. We did a poll before for all his roles before his appointment.

 

[coy0607]

Misbah has put his self-interest before everything else, he is trying to maximize his earnings to the fullest

 

[LordJames]

NONE

I don't have the option to be able to express my vote.

 

[Canistani Hero]

He should forgo the chief selector responsibility..give it to Mohammad Wasim..he can be coach for Pak and IU like Arthur did at KK..

 

[Mainul]

What kind of poll is this? Does anyone has doubt about the answer?

Misbah is the horror of Pak cricket, a villain

 

[Kroll]

Couldn't find the best solution in any of the poll options, so I'll post it here instead.

He shouldn't be allowed to take up any of these roles.

+1, this option should be available as I can't vote for any of the others.

 

[Kroll]

Well TBH, I couldn't care less if he was made coach of a T20 side, but he needs to be kept away from the Pakistan side. Sooner he gets booted the better and then can go manage any other side to his hearts content.

 

[Savak]

I am not against MUH taking on all these roles but i don't want his die hards to make excuses for him at the end of his 3 year tenure scapegoating others, blaming others as they did during his captaincy.

I am personally baffled as to why Dean Jones has been treated like this, the man is a 2 time PSL winner and his team has always qualified for the playoffs, this is a man who goes out of his way to vouch for and support Pakistan Cricket and even come to Pakistan when we don't have many visitors. Disgraceful stuff.

 

[Titan24]

No need to bring mickey in everything. Mickey was rubbish all that misbah isn't and is an honorable man so he shouldn't be accepting that many roles unless he loves cricket so much or ..........

No let’s not pretend that Mickey’a role and circumstances were analogous because unlike Misbah’s current position, he wasn’t the Chief Selector of the National Team. But I can trust you to find a way to defend something that is indefensible because of your Mickey-phobia.

Relax guys, it was a genuine question that why franchise owners had no issue regarding Mickey. No need to look everything as team of pro Misbah vs pro Arther, personally I am not a pro of anybody rather I am pro Pakistan so it doesnt matter to me who is handling which role as far as they can produce results. I have appreciated Arther as well when we did will and have criticized Misbah too on few of his selections. If results arent there after sometime person responsible needs to go and there are no two ways about it.

 

[Khan12]

Relax guys, it was a genuine question that why franchise owners had no issue regarding Mickey. No need to look everything as team of pro Misbah vs pro Arther, personally I am not a pro of anybody rather I am pro Pakistan so it doesnt matter to me who is handling which role as far as they can produce results. I have appreciated Arther as well when we did will and have criticized Misbah too on few of his selections. If results arent there after sometime person responsible needs to go and there are no two ways about it.

Pro Pakistani don't want shameless misbah. People who want Pakistan to do well don't want this serial loser to be any where near our team.

 

[topspin]

Relax guys, it was a genuine question that why franchise owners had no issue regarding Mickey. No need to look everything as team of pro Misbah vs pro Arther, personally I am not a pro of anybody rather I am pro Pakistan so it doesnt matter to me who is handling which role as far as they can produce results. I have appreciated Arther as well when we did will and have criticized Misbah too on few of his selections. If results arent there after sometime person responsible needs to go and there are no two ways about it.

For me the crux of the matter isn't about your preferences in this case, it's the fact that you are trying to justify Pakistan's current Chief Selector coaching a domestic side in a T20 tournament because his predecessor coached KK whilst he was under contract to work with the Pakistan team.

This is a false equivalence because Mickey was merely the Head Coach whereas Misbah's role extends well beyond this with his dual responsibilities.

So rather than deflecting, lets address this before I can actually buy into this: "I am not a pro of anybody ..."

 

[Canistani Hero]

Hope Deano is still involved in PSL at some level maybe commentary

 

[CleverSir]

No, too many roles in one person. I have advocated for a unified Director of Cricket for the men's (and one for women's) teams who controls overall strategy and final say in selection. Each team, National/A/U-19 having a coaching staff for day to day coaching and match day planning/strategy. I can live with one person being the HC/CS but to add batting coach role, AND HC for a domestic side is too much for one person. HC alone is a high stress job and requires a lot of time/energy.

 

[farhan]

Where is the option for not allowing Misbah of having any role with Pakistan cricket?

 

[Titan24]

For me the crux of the matter isn't about your preferences in this case, it's the fact that you are trying to justify Pakistan's current Chief Selector coaching a domestic side in a T20 tournament because his predecessor coached KK whilst he was under contract to work with the Pakistan team.

This is a false equivalence because Mickey was merely the Head Coach whereas Misbah's role extends well beyond this with his dual responsibilities.

So rather than deflecting, lets address this before I can actually buy into this: "I am not a pro of anybody ..."

Then dont buy it bro, it doesnt matter

I read franchises have objection, I raised a question why didnt they have problem with Mickey and I am yet to get a normal emotion free answer. You are suggesting that its because of Misbah being chief selector as well? If thats the case then it makes atleast some sense.

Though not really sure how come talking about Mickey triggers everybody, its like he is some sort of fallen angel that made Pakistan into a world beater. He was just a normal human being and is a coach just like many other coaches around the world.

 

[Titan24]

Pro Pakistani don't want shameless misbah. People who want Pakistan to do well don't want this serial loser to be any where near our team.

And people who didnt like Mickey say the same.

 

[MenInG]

Where is the option for not allowing Misbah of having any role with Pakistan cricket?

No Role added as option on popular demand!

 

[Slim]

No Role added as option on popular demand!

I want to re-vote.

 

[srh]

The head coach plus chief selector should not be involved with any single franchise. It creates a massive conflict of interest, he needs to be watching all the teams to scout for talent.

This. PCB is insane to allow it and don't see the conflict of interest.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Misbah is a shameless person. Disgrace to Pakistan cricket.

 

[unemployedgm]

I think Misbah should get this job.

 

[Syed1]

Should also simultaneously be PCB CEO, CFO, General Manager, team physio, masseuse, chef and bus driver. Imagine the savings if one man has all these jobs.

 

[Plumb]

Should also simultaneously be PCB CEO, CFO, General Manager, team physio, masseuse, chef and bus driver. Imagine the savings if one man has all these jobs.

Can also be in the playing 11 too

 

[Saj]

May as well make Misbah the spin bowling coach role too

All getting a bit silly this now.

 

[Hasan123]

It’s ridiculous how someone with hardly any experience in these roles, has landed all of them. Truly shameful stuff.

 

[NoBallZombie]

NO.

Misbah should be nowhere near the cricket setup. Nowhere.

 

[NoBallZombie]

May as well make Misbah the spin bowling coach role too

All getting a bit silly this now.

Saj bhai, does anyone know why he is the apple of the eye for the current regime. Surely if us amateurs can see the havoc he is causing, why can’t the powers-that-be see his negative impact?

 

[Saj]

Saj bhai, does anyone know why he is the apple of the eye for the current regime. Surely if us amateurs can see the havoc he is causing, why can’t the powers-that-be see his negative impact?

I guess the PCB hierarchy see him as the man to lead Pakistan cricket forward and the man who can take that responsibility.

Only time will tell if it's the right call.

 

[Captain caveman]

Having all these positions is not a big issue and can be a huge bonus, if the person who has been given them is a a forward thinker and strategically and tatically sound.
Misbah is not , so this is a HUGE problem!

 

[Shazzam]

Misbah should not be anywhere near the team. Everything happening thus far is very predictable. I see us becoming minnows in the next three years.

 

[topspin]

Then dont buy it bro, it doesnt matter

I read franchises have objection, I raised a question why didnt they have problem with Mickey and I am yet to get a normal emotion free answer. You are suggesting that its because of Misbah being chief selector as well? If thats the case then it makes atleast some sense.

Though not really sure how come talking about Mickey triggers everybody, its like he is some sort of fallen angel that made Pakistan into a world beater. He was just a normal human being and is a coach just like many other coaches around the world.

Lol what emotions? I will explain again...

You justified Misbah's appointment as IU's Coach on the basis of Mickey Arthur setting the "precedent", when he was coaching both Pakistan and KK.

However I repeat their scenarios are not analogous because Mickey's role in Pakistan cricket did not extend beyond coaching the side, whereas Misbah's role had dual responsibilities as Head Coach and Chief Selector. The latter makes a big difference!

Now imagine you were an owner of any of the other franchises, you would feel aggrieved by this decision because there will be a significant number of Pakistani domestic players that will hold ISLU as their first choice of franchise to play their cricket because they know if they can catch the eye of Misbah, they stand a greater chance of making the transition to the national side.

The way the PCB and ISLU have conducted themselves here is nothing short of disgraceful. Safe to say the PSL as a T20 league has lost all credibility and its standing as a major T20 league.

Also, the treatment of Deano will send alarm bells and repulsive signals to foreign coaches towards Pakistan cricket because they will have realised (by now) how they carry shamelessly carry themselves.

"Though not really sure how come talking about Mickey triggers everybody"

No need to exaggerate and be over dramatic here. Let me remind you 80% (of those who participated) voted against Misbah's appointment. However, you were among the 20% minority of PPers who approved of his appointment, so inevitably your views will be challenged especially if you keep portraying Mickey negatively on a thread like this (that has nothing to do with him) and if you continue to find ways to defend Misbah, despite his incompetence.

 

[The Viper]

Should only have one role i think.

 

[Junaids]

I think the PCB should also make Misbah the captain of the national team and the Under-19 team.

It’s like the scene in “Horrible Bosses” in which the Chief Executive (Kevin Spacey) announces the identity of the new company Vice President.

And he gives himself the job, then takes a sledgehammer to his office wall so that he can literally combine both offices.

I wouldn’t mind if Misbah was the equivalent of Pep Gardiola or Juergen Klopp.

But he’s actually junior to Ole Gunnar Solksjaer!

 

[Titan24]

Lol what emotions? I will explain again...

You justified Misbah's appointment as IU's Coach on the basis of Mickey Arthur setting the "precedent", when he was coaching both Pakistan and KK.

However I repeat their scenarios are not analogous because Mickey's role in Pakistan cricket did not extend beyond coaching the side, whereas Misbah's role had dual responsibilities as Head Coach and Chief Selector. The latter makes a big difference!

Now imagine you were an owner of any of the other franchises, you would feel aggrieved by this decision because there will be a significant number of Pakistani domestic players that will hold ISLU as their first choice of franchise to play their cricket because they know if they can catch the eye of Misbah, they stand a greater chance of making the transition to the national side.

The way the PCB and ISLU have conducted themselves here is nothing short of disgraceful. Safe to say the PSL as a T20 league has lost all credibility and its standing as a major T20 league.

Also, the treatment of Deano will send alarm bells and repulsive signals to foreign coaches towards Pakistan cricket because they will have realised (by now) how they carry shamelessly carry themselves.

"Though not really sure how come talking about Mickey triggers everybody"

No need to exaggerate and be over dramatic here. Let me remind you 80% (of those who participated) voted against Misbah's appointment. However, you were among the 20% minority of PPers who approved of his appointment, so inevitably your views will be challenged especially if you keep portraying Mickey negatively on a thread like this (that has nothing to do with him) and if you continue to find ways to defend Misbah, despite his incompetence.

When did I justify Misbah’s appointment as IU coach? Kindly mention that post.

I only asked a question that why Mickey wasnt questioned by the franchises to that I think you have already given the answer.

I am someone who is willing to give him a chance and then make up my mind. Obviously people exaggerate things here as he has just coached the team in 2 full ODIs and 4 full T20s. There is nothing he could have done in this time that would need defending.

I already criticized the selection of Irfan and Imran Khan. Playing Haris and Rizwan at no 3 and 4 in T20s. Cant just jump on the band wagon of Misbah bashing when he hasnt done anything extreme yet and havent even coached in a test series and more than 2 ODIs.

I respect the opinions with real facts not the emotions. Fact is he hasnt coached for enough time to already right him off or for anybody to even defend him.

 

[Titan24]

Mickey negatively on a thread like this (that has nothing to do with him) and if you continue to find ways to defend Misbah, despite his incompetence.

Another factually incorrect statement. I have said nothing negative about Mickey and asked a question regarding his role with PSL franchise.

Kindly use solid facts, stats or points not your made up assumptions just because I have certain views about Mickey’s coaching.

 

[Junaids]

Given Misbah’s legendary ability to multi-task, would it be unreasonable to ask that he be the commando responsible for defending both teams against security risks? He should probably also be appointed as the cook at each ground to prepare Lunch and Tea.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

How are Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani not having any problems with Misbah taking up so many roles. And why did tehy let this happen in the first place???!!! :

 

[Boiz Played Well]

How are Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani not having any problems with Misbah taking up so many roles. And why did tehy let this happen in the first place???!!! :

They didn't just let it happen. They actively did it themselves. Took one gamble in bringing in a Super Coach role anyway. Then doubled it by giving it to someone with no prior experience of either positions.

 

[Shafi]

Misbah is becoming an unstopable character. Both Wasim Khan and Mani should be worry for their own position.

 

[aukhan]

Who will take responsibility of these two T20 series losses? Coach or Chief Selector?

 

[hussain.r97]

Sacking him altogether this early is probably too much to ask for, but PCB need to dilute his power ASAP. He can stay as head coach, but they must appoint a chief selector, batting coach, and assistant coach. His influence needs to be limited as much as possible, sack him in a year or so.

 

[Asif321]

Who will take responsibility of these two T20 series losses? Coach or Chief Selector?

may be batting coach

 

[Shafi]

Sacking him altogether this early is probably too much to ask for, but PCB need to dilute his power ASAP. He can stay as head coach, but they must appoint a chief selector, batting coach, and assistant coach. His influence needs to be limited as much as possible, sack him in a year or so.

Highly unlikely!!! He has a huge back up from Pakistan legends and oldies along with PCB chief, MD and top officials.He will get away with lack of talent tags and blame the young players.

 

[Shafi]

may be batting coach

None!!!!That's the big advantage being a desi coach. You get support from formers and politicans

 

[Kroll]

I think he should also do the singing at the PSL opening ceremony.

 

[Titan24]

I think he should also do the singing at the PSL opening ceremony.

Then who will host the ceremony?

 

[wasimjunior]

I think the PCB should also make Misbah the captain of the national team and the Under-19 team.

It’s like the scene in “Horrible Bosses” in which the Chief Executive (Kevin Spacey) announces the identity of the new company Vice President.

And he gives himself the job, then takes a sledgehammer to his office wall so that he can literally combine both offices.

I wouldn’t mind if Misbah was the equivalent of Pep Gardiola or Juergen Klopp.

But he’s actually junior to Ole Gunnar Solksjaer!

Misbah should be the new prime minister too

 

[Suleiman]

Ofc he should have all roles, he’s the perfect yes man and errand boy for the PCB higher ups. No qualifications, just very agreeable.

 

[Mobashir]

Voted for "he should have one role" but would have preferred "he could have one role".
No one should have more than one role.

 

[MenInG]

And so its happened - but is it right?

 

[IMMY69]

I was initially in favour of having him in one role but it only took two short series to change my mind.
He needs to earn his badges and get a few years expririence, put in some hard graft as a coach, before he’s given another international role.

 

[moghul]

IU formed a committee headed by Misbah to find a coach, and he found one in himself.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Managing a team is hard enough but to have all these roles it can be very stressful and unfortunately quality of work suffers.

There is a large list of roles and responsibilities that a selector alone should be doing.

He should batting coach as i think his skills for test cricket were next level and everyone can learn from him or another good batting coach option is either Younis Khan, Muhammad Yousaf or i really like Gary Kirsten.

Anyways getting off topic, he's got loads of fires to put out now and it just goes to show he can't handle the workload.

 

[Etherealistic]

Since he is a jack of all trades, he could also be appointed as a physiotherapist, psychologist and fielding coach as well.

 

[Savak]

He should give up the batting coach role, he is no one to teach anyone how to bat

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: Former captain Moin Khan, who is the head coach of Pakistan Super League (PSL) team Quetta Gladiators, has opposed the idea of Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) allowing Misbah-ul-Haq to have a role with any of the PSL franchise.

Moin, while speaking to media here, said having Misbah in the dug-out of any PSL team would be a clear case of conflict of interest. “Both PCB and Pakistan’s head coach-cum-chief selector should avoid any such conflict. Everyone can understand that would be conflict of interest, simply,” said Moin. “One should voluntarily step down when such conflict is there and avoid any such move because he holds a responsible post with Pakistan cricket team.

“The PCB must make sure that the way they have stopped other coaches from taking PSL roles, they should act here as well to avoid conflict of interest. The policy is applied uniformly on everyone,” he argued.

The former captain highlighted that having the national team’s head coach and chief selector in the dug-out of any PSL team would not leave a good impact on other players and the league’s teams.

While no official announcement has been made about Misbah’s selection for a role with PSL, it is believed that Pakistan’s incumbent head coach and selector has already agreed with Islamabad United for the role of franchise’s head coach.

The PCB had earlier said Misbah would be allowed to take the role in an attempt to gain experience of coaching. However, Pakistan’s bowling coach Waqar Younis and Nadeem Khan, the coordinator of national selection committee, would not continue with their PSL franchises this year.

It may be mentioned here that similar issues were raised when former head coach Mickey Arthur, and bowling coach Azhar Mehmood were reported to be working with Karachi Kings last year.

The PCB had also earlier removed Tausif Ahmed and Inzamam-ul-Haq — who were formerly linked with Islamabad United and Lahore Qalandars, respectively — from the players’ draft committee ahead of PSL 4.

Moin added that it was beyond his understanding why the PCB had handed Misbah multiple responsibilities simultaneously.

Speaking about Pakistan’s upcoming home series against Sri Lanka, Moin said top domestic performers should be given chance in the series.

“Where will domestic performers go if you’re intending to keep non-performers from Australia tour for this series as well?” he asked. “I think it would be better to give leading domestic performers a chance.”

“Mickey Arthur will have a point to prove but it won’t be easy for Sri Lanka to beat Pakistan in Pakistan. It will be a good series,” he said when asked how tricky it would be to have Pakistan’s former coach in opposition’s camp.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1520762/moin-opposes-misbahs-involvement-with-any-psl-franchise