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Should Mohammad Rizwan be removed from Pakistan's ODI captaincy?

Should Mohammad Rizwan be removed from Pakistan's ODI captaincy?

  • Yes, he has failed to deliver

    Votes: 20 60.6%

  • No, he needs to he given more time to prove himself

    Votes: 13 39.4%
  • Total voters
    33

He had no issues with the CT squad. He clearly says here that itā€™s the best squad to be selected according to him. He even gives proper justifications for Faheem and Khushdilā€™s inclusions

So much for his ā€œI speak the truth and from the heartā€. If we take him for his word, then he was satisfied with what was selected before CT. Why is he now trying to shift the blame on the management and selectors? By claiming nothing is in his hand??
 
Rana said:

He had no issues with the CT squad. He clearly says here that itā€™s the best squad to be selected according to him. He even gives proper justifications for Faheem and Khushdilā€™s inclusions

So much for his ā€œI speak the truth and from the heartā€. If we take him for his word, then he was satisfied with what was selected before CT. Why is he now trying to shift the blame on the management and selectors? By claiming nothing is in his hand??
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1908441673874760040

A completely different person here. A completely different attitude. A newfound humility, a bit more honesty as well.

Wow this game is a great leveller!
 
This is the right time for Rizwan to say goodbye to white ball cricket.

He canā€™t even desrve his spot in the team yet he has been awarded the captaincy.
 
@gazza619 itā€™s all:

1. Hessonā€™s fault
2. Naqviā€™s fault
3. Asim Munirā€™s fault
4. Shahbaz Sharifā€™s fault
5. Aqibā€™s fault
6. Wahabā€™s fault
7. Aghaā€™s fault
8. Faheemā€™s fault


Have I missed anyone out?
 
Rana said:
@gazza619 itā€™s all:

1. Hessonā€™s fault
2. Naqviā€™s fault
3. Asim Munirā€™s fault
4. Shahbaz Sharifā€™s fault
5. Aqibā€™s fault
6. Wahabā€™s fault
7. Aghaā€™s fault
8. Faheemā€™s fault


Have I missed anyone out?
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You missed Ranaā€™s fault
 
Rana said:
@gazza619 itā€™s all:

1. Hessonā€™s fault
2. Naqviā€™s fault
3. Asim Munirā€™s fault
4. Shahbaz Sharifā€™s fault
5. Aqibā€™s fault
6. Wahabā€™s fault
7. Aghaā€™s fault
8. Faheemā€™s fault


Have I missed anyone out?
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Weather as per official records
 
gazza619 said:
You missed Ranaā€™s fault
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Yes itā€™s all my fault we got out for 92 with Babar and Rizwan at 3 and 4

Itā€™s my fault Pakistan weā€™re 22-2 in the powerplay during the CT chasing 300+ On a road.

Iā€™m sorry. Everything wrong that happens to Rizwan is my fault.
 
Whatā€™s funny is that the usual clowns think that results will be different under a new captain.

They thought the same in T20Is before the new team under the revolutionary Agha got brutally exposed in Bangladesh and West Indies.

Changing the captain will not change anything. The success of Pakistan cricket especially in white ball cricket, lies with the performance of Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen.

If these three are at the top of their game, Pakistan is a solid white ball team; if these three are in poor form or not part of the team, Pakistan is basically a minnow. It makes no difference who the captain is.

In Test cricket, Pakistanā€™s success depends on on producing spin pitches at home and playing two experienced FC spinners.

The denial of fans is very strong. They cannot accept the reality of where Pakistan cricket is right now. They think changing the captain will magically upgrade the skills of players who are not good enough.

You can sack Rizwan and make anyone captain but the results will entire depend on his, Babarā€™s and Shaheenā€™s form.
 
Sacking Rizwan and making a bang average cricketer like Agha the captain seems to be the genius solution here šŸ’

Letā€™s be honest ā€” Agha is a nothing cricketer. He just punched above his weight for a bit and is now slipping back to his mediocre level.
 
Imam/Fakhar (subject to availability)
Saim
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Agha
H. Nawaz
Shaheen
Wasim Jr.
Rauf
Abrar

This is Pakistanā€™s best ODI team currently whether anyone likes it or not. It doesnā€™t matter who is captain, this team will do decently if Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are playing well and fail badly if they are not. End of story.
 
Mamoon said:
Imam/Fakhar (subject to availability)
Saim
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Agha
H. Nawaz
Shaheen
Wasim Jr.
Rauf
Abrar

This is Pakistanā€™s best ODI team currently whether anyone likes it or not. It doesnā€™t matter who is captain, this team will do decently if Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are playing well and fail badly if they are not. End of story.
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Rizwan will not move down the order.
 
Rana said:
Yes itā€™s all my fault we got out for 92 with Babar and Rizwan at 3 and 4

Itā€™s my fault Pakistan weā€™re 22-2 in the powerplay during the CT chasing 300+ On a road.

Iā€™m sorry. Everything wrong that happens to Rizwan is my fault.
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Pakistan would have won today with RizBar both scoring tons, and you would have still moaned that this performance was against a minnow. You are someone whose glass is always half empty.
 
gazza619 said:
Pakistan would have won today with RizBar both scoring tons, and you would have still moaned that this performance was against a minnow. You are someone whose glass is always half empty.
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Agar, magr, shagrā€¦.
 
Mamoon said:
Imam/Fakhar (subject to availability)
Saim
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Agha
H. Nawaz
Shaheen
Wasim Jr.
Rauf
Abrar

This is Pakistanā€™s best ODI team currently whether anyone likes it or not. It doesnā€™t matter who is captain, this team will do decently if Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are playing well and fail badly if they are not. End of story.
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Agreed on Saud being the number 4 going forward.
 
pak should just stop playing odis, pak dont have the resources to maintain three teams, t20 will always have intrinsic motivation of players wanting to earn money, and tests will always have intrinsic motivation to some players who believe its the top format and dont have the game for white ball cricket (also can make ok money if you get to play county).

theres no consistency to anything about the odi team, and the pcb didnt want to play this series anyway.
 
gazza619 said:
Agreed on Saud being the number 4 going forward.
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SR is overrated in ODIs. You need players with technical skills and hunger for playing long innings. This current lineup is one proper batsman short and the problems are compounded by the poor form of Babar and Rizwan.
 
Agha, Rizwan, Babar, Shadab and Shaheen all have been crap captains. At this point, there isnt anyone with any suitable domestic experience that could come and lead the team.
 
Major said:
Agha, Rizwan, Babar, Shadab and Shaheen all have been crap captains. At this point, there isnt anyone with any suitable domestic experience that could come and lead the team.
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Agreed, I was thinking Misbah should come out of retirement and take over from Rizwan. What do you think?
 
Major said:
Agha, Rizwan, Babar, Shadab and Shaheen all have been crap captains. At this point, there isnt anyone with any suitable domestic experience that could come and lead the team.
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Thatā€™s not true at all.

Hussain Talat was a brilliant leader for Lahore Reds. People will laugh at him but IDC. Saud Shaqeel is a good captain too. A bit selfish but his tactics are usually very good.
 
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Rana said:
Thatā€™s not true at all.

Hussain Talat was a brilliant leader for Lahore Reds. People will laugh at him but IDC. Saud Shaqeel is a good captain too. A bit selfish but his tactics are usually very good.
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havnt watched them as captain, so cant make a comment.

But the current list of captains that have been captaining the team are all rubbish.
 
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Major said:
havnt watched them as captain, so cant make a comment.

But the current list of captains that have been captaining the team are all rubbish.
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Salman Butt rates Ammad Butt as a good captain too.

But I donā€™t rate Buttā€™s judgement.

There are lots of these underrated guys who are very useful if given the chance. I made a thread about Manzoor Elahi once, how heā€™s rated as a coach who wants his side to bat positively.

You should listen to Harris when he is keeping to spinners. He is fully switched on telling them where to bowl, his brain works well for leadership too.
 
Rana said:
Salman Butt rates Ammad Butt as a good captain too.

But I donā€™t rate Buttā€™s judgement.

There are lots of these underrated guys who are very useful if given the chance. I made a thread about Manzoor Elahi once, how heā€™s rated as a coach who wants his side to bat positively.

You should listen to Harris when he is keeping to spinners. He is fully switched on telling them where to bowl, his brain works well for leadership too.
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all of them look good in these games, even in PSL. But the moment you change the conditions and test them, they get stuck with two things. Trying to act as aggressive and try to look good on social media.

I still admire the Indians for their approach to limited overs. They have a pace attack today, but even yet, during the Champions trophy, they knew that the spin wickets meant that they should be packing with spinners, so they came in with 5 spinners.

Our cricket is going doomed, our captains want to look good on social media and will play 4 pacers on a wicket that is good for spin only because it will help them look aggresive on social media.
 
Major said:
Agha, Rizwan, Babar, Shadab and Shaheen all have been crap captains. At this point, there isnt anyone with any suitable domestic experience that could come and lead the team.
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I don't think Shaheen was given enough chances to judge his captaincy.

He has been very good in PSL.
 
Changing captains has not done any wonders before nor will it do in the future... Need to fix the squad first... Non-performers lke Abdullah, Naseem etc should be rested for good now..

Stop hyping AB now.. He is good for nothing... Pathetic technique but he tries to look stylish even when he gets out. Naseem has been below average as well.. We have better options.\

Rizwan as captain has started well against Aus and SA but it has been a nose dive since then, might give him 1 more series and then TATA BYE BYE...
 
Not yet

Just need to fix some things

Play proper bowlers stop this obsession of part time all rounder bowling options

Rizwan has to go at no 5 or 6 preferably he is not suitable for no 4 now unfortunately
 
shah9425 said:
Not yet

Just need to fix some things

Play proper bowlers stop this obsession of part time all rounder bowling options

Rizwan has to go at no 5 or 6 preferably he is not suitable for no 4 now unfortunately
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Your time is up my time is now

You canā€™t see me, my time is now
 
Rana said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1955476689083044056
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Why was he leaving the delivery?

Dont get me wrong this is a pearl of a delivery, would have troubled 99% of batters. Its a mcgrath level delivery lol, but on what basis did you leave it?

Rizzu clearly pre mediatated this leave, he came with the intention of letting the first ball go.

I dont understand why this guy is so afraid to play modern cricket?
 
Rizwan wants every bowler to just bowl to him in that sweet spot so that he can hoick and sweep it.

Out of 300 deliveries you are bound to get a few but he's delusional if he think he can play cricket with just 3 leg side strokes 24/7
 
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How about we appoint a captain who deserves to be in the team?

We have a non-performing captain in all three formats of the game. Seriously, how the hell is that possible?
 
The_KING said:
For ODIs, I will give it to Salman Agha. He doesn't merit a place in the T20 side, but he has done well in test cricket and ODI cricket so far.

I am not sure about T20Is.
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I go along with that for t20 I would go with someone young like saim in tests we have a dilemma I cannot think anyone who has character to be a leader in this case I rather go with someone young than none performing player.
 
I would love to know Rizwan's batting average, strike rate in his ODI career and his renaissance from January 2021 to now.

Also the PCB needs to learn from the West Indies and start taking ODI Cricket more seriously ie atleast 20-30 ODIs a year for the national team. West Indies refused PCB's request to remove the ODIs and replace them with T20s. West Indies Cricket Board realized the consequences of preferring T20s to ODI Cricket ie failure to qualify for the ODI WC, Champions Trophy and having to play the qualifiers hence why they are now taking ODI Cricket seriously and are hosting the same amount of ODI Cricket for their team.
 
Savak said:
I would love to know Rizwan's batting average, strike rate in his ODI career and his renaissance from January 2021 to now.

Also the PCB needs to learn from the West Indies and start taking ODI Cricket more seriously ie atleast 20-30 ODIs a year for the national team. West Indies refused PCB's request to remove the ODIs and replace them with T20s. West Indies Cricket Board realized the consequences of preferring T20s to ODI Cricket ie failure to qualify for the ODI WC, Champions Trophy and having to play the qualifiers hence why they are now taking ODI Cricket seriously and are hosting the same amount of ODI Cricket for their team.
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PCB did their best to not stink up their white ball progress by keeping Rizwan and Babar far away.

I really donā€™t blame them for trying their best to not have an ODI series before the AC
 
He can't take reviews, his batting is disintegrating before our eyes, he eats up way too many dot balls & I have not been convinced with him at No.4.

As soon as he blamed Saim Ayub's injury for the disastrous Champions Trophy, he was done for me then & there.
 
TeymurBlake said:
He can't take reviews, his batting is disintegrating before our eyes, he eats up way too many dot balls & I have not been convinced with him at No.4.

As soon as he blamed Saim Ayub's injury for the disastrous Champions Trophy, he was done for me then & there.
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The 2022 WT20 was the straw that broke the camel's back. He averaged under 20 with a strike rate of less than run a ball. Unforgiveable SR in a T20 tournament. This was the time for when Pakistan should have removed him for good in limited overs cricket.
 
At this point, what Pakistan cricket needs is stability. The captain and coach should not be changing every six months, nor should the selectors, unless someone has a truly corrupt mindset like Aaqib Javed, who keeps moving from one position to another as if the PCB is owned by his family.

If I were Naqvi, I would let Aaqib go without wasting a second. I would restore the authority of selecting the playing XI to the captain and coach because they must be on the same page. The selectors should work with the captain and coach, take their input, and give them 90 percent of the players they are interested in selecting. Let them do what they want to do and wait at least a couple of years before making any more changes.

No matter how bad we think Rizwan, Agha, or Hesson are, the need of the hour is to continue with them and give them time to improve this team. Whatever results they bring, we just have to live with them. We can't keep making changes again and again. If you don't understand this, then you know nothing about cricket and have no idea how this game is played.
 
Caved12 said:
At this point, what Pakistan cricket needs is stability. The captain and coach should not be changing every six months, nor should the selectors, unless someone has a truly corrupt mindset like Aaqib Javed, who keeps moving from one position to another as if the PCB is owned by his family.

If I were Naqvi, I would let Aaqib go without wasting a second. I would restore the authority of selecting the playing XI to the captain and coach because they must be on the same page. The selectors should work with the captain and coach, take their input, and give them 90 percent of the players they are interested in selecting. Let them do what they want to do and wait at least a couple of years before making any more changes.

No matter how bad we think Rizwan, Agha, or Hesson are, the need of the hour is to continue with them and give them time to improve this team. Whatever results they bring, we just have to live with them. We can't keep making changes again and again. If you don't understand this, then you know nothing about cricket and have no idea how this game is played.
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Why did you remove that picture of Rizwan?

Bas itni wafa thy?
 
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Caved12 said:
At this point, what Pakistan cricket needs is stability. The captain and coach should not be changing every six months, nor should the selectors, unless someone has a truly corrupt mindset like Aaqib Javed, who keeps moving from one position to another as if the PCB is owned by his family.

If I were Naqvi, I would let Aaqib go without wasting a second. I would restore the authority of selecting the playing XI to the captain and coach because they must be on the same page. The selectors should work with the captain and coach, take their input, and give them 90 percent of the players they are interested in selecting. Let them do what they want to do and wait at least a couple of years before making any more changes.

No matter how bad we think Rizwan, Agha, or Hesson are, the need of the hour is to continue with them and give them time to improve this team. Whatever results they bring, we just have to live with them. We can't keep making changes again and again. If you don't understand this, then you know nothing about cricket and have no idea how this game is played.
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You can't have a captain who doesn't merit his spot in the team and who doesn't lead Hy example. Too many players in the team have been given a massive long run in the team inspite of poor form, performances, being way past their peak because of this need for stability and the end result is the team suffers.

Do you think a cricket board like Australia will persist with the same bunch of players who lose the Ashes, Cricket World Cup, ICC Event, 2-3 series in a row?

Nope, the players and coaching staff will be kicked out on their behind and replaced by fresh, hungrier, in form players
 
If you wish to deploy a new style or philosophy, then you must have the players who could instill said style. If getting rid of Rizwan or Babar or Shafique or anyone else is a hindrance for Mike Hesson, then get rid.

Looks at England, they completely discarded Joe Root fron the T20 setup after the 2016 T20WC. Pakistan & Mike Hesson will have to do the same, while also being backed by management.
 
Usman Khan was the best batsman in Pakistan conditions

I donā€™t Iā€™ve ever seen the guy represent Pakistan in Pakistan :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Rizwan seriously needs to stop taking advice from Misbah-ul-Haq. Everyone knows theyā€™re best buddies, but letā€™s be real Misbah has been pulling every trick in the book to sink Pakistan cricket just so his son can walk into the international team. This isnā€™t mentorship, itā€™s sabotaging PCT. If Rizwan keeps following Misbahā€™s outdated, defensive mindset, heā€™s not just hurting his own game heā€™s dragging the entire team down with him. This is exactly why Rizwan should be shown the door as captain before he takes us back to the dark ages of Misbah tuktuk dot ball.
 
KOd group stage of CT

Lost to WI

Is not performing

What is there to think about

Fire the diva
 
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