I think it's unfair on him he is being made to play the toughest format first up .For me he is like Babar 2016-17 talented but not ready enough to string performances together I believe he should play limited overs for a year or so and then be brought in for tests.
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He absolutely should. Back him and he will be an absolute superstar in an year's time.
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He should definitely play let him develop in international cricket.He will eventually become a superstar.He is already the fastest pacer in Asia.
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Naseem has a first class average of 16 so its not like he is playing on just potential.
Picked a fifer in the his last test innings.
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Yes absolutely
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Lol hes young, will learn with playing
Sami never learnt so you never know.
No. He’s too young. Way too young. There is a reason why Australia kept out starc, Cummins and Pattinson from test cricket for so long. For a long time they just played first class and the odd LOI series in between nursing injuries.
Firstly young bowlers continue to physically grow and build their muscles into their late teens. Secondly it’s stamina and fitness. Thirdly it’s control over stock ball. Fourthly it’s building in enough varieties to constantly be ahead of the opposition.
I feel Naseem is just short of his 17th birthday. He is still developing in all the areas mentioned above. He needs at least one more season in domestic cricket to bowl consistent line and lengths every ball every over with just enough variety to not compromise his pace and element of surprise.
People say he bowls well above 140k. This is indeed impressive but hardly the yardstick by which a player should be judged. These days with bigger bats, faster outfields, shorter boundaries 140kph is not enough to beat good batsmen. You need guile also.
In other words he needs to learn his craft. But he’s a fantastic prospect. Swings it both ways, has a beautiful action and a great attitude.
Firstly young bowlers continue to physically grow and build their muscles into their late teens. Secondly it’s stamina and fitness. Thirdly it’s control over stock ball. Fourthly it’s building in enough varieties to constantly be ahead of the opposition.
I feel Naseem is just short of his 17th birthday. He is still developing in all the areas mentioned above. He needs at least one more season in domestic cricket to bowl consistent line and lengths every ball every over with just enough variety to not compromise his pace and element of surprise.
People say he bowls well above 140k. This is indeed impressive but hardly the yardstick by which a player should be judged. These days with bigger bats, faster outfields, shorter boundaries 140kph is not enough to beat good batsmen. You need guile also.
In other words he needs to learn his craft. But he’s a fantastic prospect. Swings it both ways, has a beautiful action and a great attitude.
Ofcourse he should he bowled full speeds in his first two spells and ironically was a bit down in his last spell when he took the new ball and got the wicket. He should stay away from 20 20s although PSL is fine ..one thing i dont like is Shaheen and Naseem both cutting their run up shorter but it looks like the modern thing to do these days...
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Even a blind man can tell you Naseem is not ready for International cricket.
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Was bowling around 88-90 MPH in his third spell of the day. He just took a fifer in previous innings vs Srl and he is completely ready. If he keeps his fitness he should be playing and management should be handling his work load.
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Sami never learnt to ball inswing as well even when he was 30+ so its not a comparison. Naseem can move it both ways, just needs to keep on working hard and have matches under his belt. His fitness is looking good as you cant ball 90 mph in 3rd spell without that but ofcourse he is young and his workload should be managed.
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I can’t believe there are still people who believe that he is 16. I mean Naseem himself has stated that he isn’t.
He is actually roughy the same age as Shaheen who is miles ahead of him in terms of development.
He is actually roughy the same age as Shaheen who is miles ahead of him in terms of development.
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Yes he should play tests. That is where he has to develop and he’s among 3 best fast bowlers in the country so no point of not playing him.
Development wise yes shaheen is ahead but that’s because he’s been playing internationally for 2 years now. We all remember how he got smacked around in England series prior to WC and Aus match in the WC.
We have to be patient with Naseem and persist with him
Development wise yes shaheen is ahead but that’s because he’s been playing internationally for 2 years now. We all remember how he got smacked around in England series prior to WC and Aus match in the WC.
We have to be patient with Naseem and persist with him
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Hasan Ali was injured. I don’t believe anyone else you mention has more talent and potential to deliver than Naseem.
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Lol samis situation is different, sami was basically burnt out by Inzimam awful captaincy, the guy had a heart of a lion and he was basically bowled to the ground by Inzimam, this caused injuries followed by lost of confidence he never recovered from.
Naseem has a good fast bowling brain for his age and it's just a case of getting mileage in to his body
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Yes that’s important. I think they need one more bowler to rotate with Naseem. He shouldn’t play every test. In NZ and Eng they can play faheem as 4th seamer to lessen the workload
Pakistan don’t play that many tests. So he should be fine if managed with little intelligence
Naseem is still only playing Tests and anyway he is getting better day by day. In another couple of years by the time he is 21 he should increase his fitness also
It is Shaheen who is the workload worry. He is only 19 and is already playing almost all games across formats
It is Shaheen who is the workload worry. He is only 19 and is already playing almost all games across formats
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Think he is doing fine - When he was played in Australia, people were complaining that he should have been tried out in a home series.
Well, that's being done now so lets see how he does.
Well, that's being done now so lets see how he does.
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Should be eased in and out. But don't seem as some speical talent which has been claimed. He has a lot of work to do.
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playing six or seven tests a year is not overbowling him, and if ur not gonna bowl him against bang u wont bowl him against anyone.
you just need to see him seam presentation and pace to know he can manage at test level, just needs to learn to be more patient.
you just need to see him seam presentation and pace to know he can manage at test level, just needs to learn to be more patient.
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would love to know your opinion regarding this issue.
I think he should play tests and odi's but with rotation that even hasan ali or someone else has a chance to play test cricket
Let him be!! Idk why we obsess over someone and then hype him and then castigate them when performances dont follow!
There is no other bowler in Pak who will do any better than him . . Be it Husnain or Musa or sameen or anyone else! So let's let him develop even if he has 10 test matches where he doesn't do much!
Just let him bowl . . He has potential . . Let him develop! He will bear the wrath of fans only because the fans hyped him up in the first place!
There is no other bowler in Pak who will do any better than him . . Be it Husnain or Musa or sameen or anyone else! So let's let him develop even if he has 10 test matches where he doesn't do much!
Just let him bowl . . He has potential . . Let him develop! He will bear the wrath of fans only because the fans hyped him up in the first place!
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Erm, he took a 5-fer in his last game.
But will he be useful in Australia? I dunno.
But Shaheen and Abbas are our two main pacers. Keep them for the next few years regardless of form. They can perform every where.
3rd and 4th pacer is the issue.
I'd keep Naseem. 4th pacer needs to be either Yamin, Ashraf or Amad Butt.
Leggie = Usama Mir or Shadab Khan.
But will he be useful in Australia? I dunno.
But Shaheen and Abbas are our two main pacers. Keep them for the next few years regardless of form. They can perform every where.
3rd and 4th pacer is the issue.
I'd keep Naseem. 4th pacer needs to be either Yamin, Ashraf or Amad Butt.
Leggie = Usama Mir or Shadab Khan.
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Pakistan hardly play any tests, what are we saving him for exactly? There will be plenty of opportunity to play FC cricket this year and he isn't in the running for any LOI cricket.
How did the last decade work for us when we chopped and changed fast bowlers every series?
He's young, got potential, got pace...just let the guy bowl and stop complaining.
How did the last decade work for us when we chopped and changed fast bowlers every series?
He's young, got potential, got pace...just let the guy bowl and stop complaining.
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I think he should play all the tests and choose ODI's based on context. The more he bowls in tests, the better he could become.
SA-NS duo has potential to be a great pace bowling combo like the W's. I am excited to see them bowling in England and in South Africa. Hopefully, they come and play in Chennai Chepauk some day.
SA-NS duo has potential to be a great pace bowling combo like the W's. I am excited to see them bowling in England and in South Africa. Hopefully, they come and play in Chennai Chepauk some day.
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why not.
he should play each and every test of pakistan considering the amount of tests we play these days. plus he should also focus on playing domestic cricket and keep away from lols
he should play each and every test of pakistan considering the amount of tests we play these days. plus he should also focus on playing domestic cricket and keep away from lols
You don't have any other high calibre, mature quicks waiting to play- so Naseem should play.
It might take some patience but he needs to be developed. There just isn't a better option I can see right at this minute.
Pakistan's Test match schedule is not very busy so the workload won't crush him yet- as long as he is rotated through ODI's & other tournaments sensibly.
If Abbas or Junaid or Amir or Hasan was still an option then you'd have the luxury of developing Naseem slowly- filling in for just injuries or so on. But that isn't the case now.
It might take some patience but he needs to be developed. There just isn't a better option I can see right at this minute.
Pakistan's Test match schedule is not very busy so the workload won't crush him yet- as long as he is rotated through ODI's & other tournaments sensibly.
If Abbas or Junaid or Amir or Hasan was still an option then you'd have the luxury of developing Naseem slowly- filling in for just injuries or so on. But that isn't the case now.
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You do not have other options so yes he should play.
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There are a few options; Sameen Gul, Ehsan Adil or even Hasan Ali if he can stay injury free. But the best choice is the rotation policy. You need to take care of young bowlers.
Misbah is a short term-thinker, he just wants results to boost his record only, he did it as captain and he is doing as coach. He will overbowl Shaheen and eventually Shaheen will get injured. It’s therefore important for Waqar to step in and ask for rotation so every bowler can get some rest.
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Yes, this shouldn't be even a question. He might not be there yet but he will be world class in a year or two. We play very few tests as it is, so the question of him being overworked really isn't a concern. And it's not like we have someone better or he isn't performing. He has a 5fer in the last test he played and was clearly our best bowler at Adelaide.
Finally, let's not forget that this is his fourth test (his fourth international game to be precise) and he is only 18. You have to give people some rope. Babar was given 15 odd tests before he got going, Shaheen too needed time to be where he is today. Naseem will too, he is too good not to. A little bit of patience and you will see him fly.
Finally, let's not forget that this is his fourth test (his fourth international game to be precise) and he is only 18. You have to give people some rope. Babar was given 15 odd tests before he got going, Shaheen too needed time to be where he is today. Naseem will too, he is too good not to. A little bit of patience and you will see him fly.
Firstly he’s 17. Secondly there’s a danger of stress fractures. Body is still developing. Bowling 15-20 overs a day isn’t easy even if we are playing only 6 tests a year.
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4 wickets in the 2nd innings say, yes! Hattrick also!
Oh, hmm.
He's good enough, will get into any Test side right now. Maybe not AUS in AUS.
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No. Let's play Imran Khan sr 
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Lol. Thanks for the thread.
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Arise Sir Naseem!!!
Sensational stuff, Naseem is a star already. Guy has a got a great future ahead of him, just has to keep his feet on the ground and aim for the sky
Sensational stuff, Naseem is a star already. Guy has a got a great future ahead of him, just has to keep his feet on the ground and aim for the sky
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Top bowler but it does not mean he should be playing Test Cricket.
He needs to enjoy his bowling in T20s and ODIs. Test cricket will wear him down very soon
He needs to enjoy his bowling in T20s and ODIs. Test cricket will wear him down very soon
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Maybe only a blind man will tell you this!
We don't have a ready 3rd seamer, so we surely can afford him in place of Imran Khan Snr...
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Yeah with tainted glasses only players from across the border look special...
Naseem will be no good to anybody as a third seamer laid on a hospital bed ala Mohammed zahid. Give him a chance to grow and develop and introduce him to the rigours of international cricket slowly.
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There are two way to look at this.
He is surely ain't ready for the whole international calendar. I personally feel our biggest need is test match fast bowlers so I like the fact of playing him only in tests.
Where as LO cricket is concerned, PSL and maybe t20 wc is fine for the moment.
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Test cricket is the ultimate, he needs to prioritise it
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The way I see it, this guy is capable of becoming someone who can add an ultra dimension to Pakistan's bowling attack in ICC tournaments, especially big matches against Australia and India.
I genuinely want him to become not just our Premier bowler but a world premier superstar. I just hope he doesnt end up becoming this 137-140kmh bowler because of the mileage taking a toll in Tests.
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He is playing only test matches with sufficient gap in between. His current workload is absolutely fine. Injuries happens and will continue to happen, that is no reason for him to stop playing test cricket. He has to develop too and playing 6-7 tests a year is perfectly okay.
Where you are right is that his workload should be managed. There is no need for him to play LOIs and that he isn't.
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Our players do well against a weak team, our fans get hyper -> then the same player gets exposed against a top team -> the same fans sit down for a bit because of the reality check -> our players do well against a weak team -> our fans get hyper and forget the reality check.
The cycle continues...
We saw Naseem against Australia, and he looked completely out of place at that level. This is a weak Bangladesh side especially because of the absence of its two best batsmen.
If Naseem can perform against England and New Zealand this year, then people will have the right to do get excited and hyper.
As far as my view is concerned, nothing has changed yet. I personally still consider Shaheen to be the only world class bowling prospect on our books.
The cycle continues...
We saw Naseem against Australia, and he looked completely out of place at that level. This is a weak Bangladesh side especially because of the absence of its two best batsmen.
If Naseem can perform against England and New Zealand this year, then people will have the right to do get excited and hyper.
As far as my view is concerned, nothing has changed yet. I personally still consider Shaheen to be the only world class bowling prospect on our books.
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You mark my words pal.
England are not going to prepare green decks this summer.
England are not going to prepare green decks this summer.
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I guess that is why we are around a mid tier team as rankings shows. Though I think Babar, Shaheen and Naseem have enough skills to start performing against top tier teams as well with time if they remain fit, keep on playing and developing.
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Yes because there is a better chance of Naseem destroying English batting on a green pitch than Archer, Anderson, Broad and Woods destroying Pakistani batting on a green pitch.
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It's more because of captaincy
Pakistan captaincy in AUS has been abysmal to say the least.
Our defensive captains like Misbah, Inzamam and Azhars etc do extremely well at home and are hopeless overseas. Fast bowler need to be utilized well with intelligent field settings
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It was his debut series, one already faces bit of nervousness when debuting let alone playing in Aus vs their batting lineup. Also I dont remember many debutant pacers creating impact in Aus in recent times. However, I agree that Naseem will have to continue performances in Eng and Nz. Though he should be given around 1.5-2 years as Shaheen was given to judge him and his progress.
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Yes because there is a better chance of Naseem destroying English batting on a green pitch than Archer, Anderson, Broad and Woods destroying Pakistani batting on a green pitch.
Yeah like they have done in the Last two home series? Check the head to head of England and Pakistan since 2010 and maybe you wont be making a fool out of yourself.
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Asif was spanked in his debut series against Australia also, and then discarded for quite some time.
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It is a tough task ahead no Pakistan Fast bowler has played more than 50 tests matches after Wasim and Waqar take a look at my thread below explaining it in detail
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?292023-Pakistan-s-fast-bowlers-Why-don-t-they-last-long
Pakistan Fast bowlers doesnt seems to lasts longer after we witnessed the era of Wasim and Waqar.I hope Naseem Shah doesnt fade like others and hope PCB staff and coaches do justice to his talent
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He was the best bowler on show at Brisbane. That is the only game he played. The only one who troubled Warner and got him out (twice). And remember this was him on debut, that too in Aus. Not an easy thing to do, add to that what must have been going through with his mother passing away, and yet he had a say.
Bowled brilliantly in the practice game as well.
You are right about the rest though. The tour to Eng and NZ will really tell how good he is.
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True. Since 90s other than Wasim I am yet to see any Pak pacer perform in Aus.
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Pakistan won two Tests in 2016 on flat London pitches (Lord’s and Oval). Since 2001 Old Trafford Test, because has been trounced in every single non-London Test, which are traditionally more bowling friendly with the classic English conditions.
The 2018 win at Lord’s was an anomaly. England lost because they picked a weak team, with Stoneman opening and Malan batting in the middle-order.
They have a stronger side now and Pakistan will be whitewashed this summer. Anyway, carry on with the celebrations until that happens.
I will say it now - Pakistan’s days of being England’s bogey team are over. In fact, it would have been over in 2018 as well, but we were lucky it was only a two Test series.
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SubhanAllah
And what about the embarrassing performances by England in the UAE and in Pakistan 2006?
England are not as strong as you make them out to be, Plus Pakistan are not mentally shot against them the way they are against India and Australia.
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They haven’t been successful in UAE, but their achievements in Test cricket over the last decade are far and beyond our puny successes, and they have consistently managed a top 3 ranking while we have consistently managed a 5th/6th ranking, batting the spell at the top in September 2016 that lasted for 5 seconds.
Look, some people have no faith in a team that is 6th ranked and regularly gets blasted by the better sides. If you have faith in this team, good for you, but some people has had enough of the never ending mediocrity and false hopes.
I don’t see Pakistan becoming a top 3 Test side in my lifetime so I have no reason to get excited. Please let me be.
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Naseem has grown up bowling on dead wickets. Green or not, I reckon he will do well.
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What a stupid thread.
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But just don’t serve him a green mamba.
And Pakistanis better prepare their slip catching.
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A test match hat trick is always special. Especially for someone playing only his 4th test.
Hard to diggest for people who never say positive things regarding Pakistan cricket.
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Pakistan were in the top 3 in the rankings from 2014-16 in the last decade. No reason they can't get to top 3 again in the future.
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Pakistan achieved number 1 without playing in Pakistan.
And being a gun side, you have to perform all over the world. At least be able to show some fight and determination. England have been disastrous in the UAE, they have been excellent at Shopping in Dubai mall however!
Since I have been watching cricket. Pakistan won Tests convincingly in England, India, New Zealand, West Indies, Sri Lanka. Pakistan is not a top side at the moment for sure but they are not what you make them out to be either. You are not commenting on Bangladesh or Zimbabwe here.
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I meant again. Besides, things were different back then. That team was overrated but this team is talentless besides Babar and Shaheen, and now they are coached by Misbah and Waqar. Nothing can go right I’m afraid.
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Exactly, that’s why. Playing in UAE benefited us in Test cricket. Non-Asian teams are far more likely to beat us in Pakistan than UAE because Pakistani pitches have more spice.
Playing in UAE has hidden a lot of deficiencies which will be exposed once we fully return to Pakistan.
Pakistan is what I am making them out to be - a mid-table side that will not be a top side again, or at least go another 20-30 years. That maybe good enough for you but not for me.
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Special for him but not for the fans. Team is bigger than individual success, and it’s hard to be excited when the team is mediocre.
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We were arguing about your so call claim of England demolishing Pak. Why avoid?
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Lets not get bogged down in other's negative mindsets - its time to recognize and celebrate the talent of Naseem
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It's not a negative mindset. It's a trolling mindset which will eventually disappear from this forum if Pakistan does well against England and New Zealand in the coming few months. Some of us will make sure it remains that way, regardless of what happens after that
Misbah is the reason they will become top 3 again! You heard it here first.
Mickey Arthur RUINED us.
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