This is not decline. This is blip in form. Asia cup is a dud tournament to judge someone. That would make Dube > Bumrah. Nobody cares about that performance. In Tests he is still the champion. Siraj after a break played on FC match. He is in good rhythm. When in rythm Siraj is a world class bowler.
Yes 2 5-fers in 3 matches of England series is definitely decline.
Is this a joke ? Bumrah had one bad match or so in the Eng series, but still took 14 wickets from 3 matches at avg of 26 with 2 fifers!
Don’t worry. He is doing prayers to see him break down soon. Hoping for a life threading injury or rapid decline due to any external factor.
5 in 2026 (Afg also there)
That is a sizable number of wickets.
Don’t think he can play more than 5 6 tests a year for the next 4 years
It’s the effectiveness - India didn’t win any of those matches, and he didn’t perform in the right innings.
Look matey - I know it’s difficult to be realistic. I completely get it. When you’re a fan of someone, it’s hard to let go and keep positive and develop delusions of grandeur. Your perfectly entitled to believe what your heart tells you.
Pak fans are generally have poor sense of judging a talent. You could see from the way your current batting line up getting hyped. I am not surprised by your view. There is a pattern. Pick the best player of India and compare with random guy just to put that player down, if nobody is available compare one of the guy from the indian set up with them. Seen enough comparisons with Tendulkar with similar pattern. Except Pak fans in this forum literally any cricketing expert from any country will disagree with you. You know that too. Be it is simon doull or Ian bishop. I will take your views with bucket of salt.
I think positivity is a great thing. Keep going my son!
It is not postiivity. I know some of you were putting him down prior to BGT series. He lights up there. Then there was a thread "India without Bumrah.. can't win".. Then after England "India with Bumrah can't win". You see. Fans have this afridi level analytical skills. That is why i don't take it seriously. Even experienced pakistan cricketers are not inteligent enough to offer smart cricketing analysis.
What was the result of the BGT series?
Hope you said that to your mirror. It is not just Indian cricke tteam is far ahead of pakistan also their fans in terms of judging talent are far ahead.
Pakistanis man, they have legendary coping mechanisms. They’re the type who get knocked out cold and then brag about how they heroically blocked the punch with their face, lol.
Indeed
It depends on the schedule.
You want him to play those tests?
Why not.
One of their fans on this forum said, I quote him/her,
That’s fine but not in the same world where he is skipping test matches vs England, NZ and Australia due to workload concerns and finds himself injured every 1.5 year which leads to him missing an ICC tournament ( like CT 2025, WT20 2022).
Those are 1 off matches with month long gaps after IPL.
Before IPL, he will play WT20 also in Feb. Then 4 tests and some ODI matches as part of ODI World Cup 2027 preparation should be the focus imo.
Look, you gotta understand where they’re coming from. Deep down, they know their team is a stinking pile of manure, and given the state of their economy, things are only going to get worse. Winning anything meaningful isn’t even on the horizon, so all they can do is cling to miracles, upsets, and the occasional fluke. That’s why they celebrate the smallest scraps: Bumrah being hit for a couple of sixes, Kuldeep leaking a few runs, or managing a 50+ powerplay.
All of SENA were strong during Bumrah's career
Really - is that why England had no1 and no2 ranked batsmen in their team in 1992? Is that why they drew 2-2 to West Indies in 1991?
I’ve said this before, it’s real cute witnessing Indians talk about fast bowling!
You guys are just starting to learn about the art.
Matches in SENA
You know in the 80s and 90s the greatest fast bowlers were judged on how they coped on the flat tracks of the subcontinent. Lillee and Hadlee had a lot of critics because of their reluctance to tour there and even when they did, didn’t have great performances.
Indians are just so funny - stick to batting boys
Stats doesn't matter. They are still living in the 92 era and denying reality.1980s & 1990s soda bottle cap era. You have a grand total of 3 fast bowlers that took 200 wickets in Tests. That's it.
2000s In your own backyard Indian rookie fast bowlers like IRfan pathan, Rp singh, Balaji outbowld your pacers.
India vs Pakistan in Pakistan
Indian fast bowlers average 40 in Pakistan vs Pakistan
Pakistan fast bowlers average 48 in pakistan vs India
1980s & 1990s soda bottle cap era. You have a grand total of 3 fast bowlers that took 200 wickets in Tests. That's it.
2000s In your own backyard Indian rookie fast bowlers like IRfan pathan, Rp singh, Balaji outbowld your pacers.
India vs Pakistan in Pakistan
Indian fast bowlers average 40 in Pakistan vs Pakistan
Pakistan fast bowlers average 48 in pakistan vs India
We all know the reason why Pakistani bowlers had great numbers at home but sucked away, particularly in SENA.I’ve said this before, it’s real cute witnessing Indians talk about fast bowling!
You guys are just starting to learn about the art.
Matches in SENA
You know in the 80s and 90s the greatest fast bowlers were judged on how they coped on the flat tracks of the subcontinent. Lillee and Hadlee had a lot of critics because of their reluctance to tour there and even when they did, didn’t have great performances.
Indians are just so funny - stick to batting boys
They just run hard and bowl fast. Akram for all his legendary status just reads the score card. Someone like Varun Aaron has way better analysis than any of their "legendary fast bowlers". If their fast bowlers can't provide analysis imagine the fans.
We don’t need your validation - it’s much harder to bowl in Pakistan than anywhere worse in the world.
Wasim real average is 28 vs SEWAI teams
I did not know Wasim too stat padder that much. I agree with ban and zim stat padding but dint Lanka produce flat wickets? In 90s
Nonsense
We don’t play as many tests
Wasim was a top player in odi
I’ve answered this before - look it up. Stats and searching is your thing.
Nah, I have watched entire 90s. Presenting stats to back up what I am saying. Without stats anyone can make up any random stuff. NZ was a poor team in early 90s. No two ways about it. When all said and done, W/L reflects standing of teams in certain period as long as large enough sample size exist.
Nah you ain’t watched enough then. You’re just a very good stats collector mate, not a bad skill to have, but as any stats teacher would tell you, you need background knowledge too.
May not be so easy. With his action, injury can happen any time and he is not young to come back like he did last time.
I actually make a great living based on getting information from raw stats. That's my job. I don't need a stats teacher.
Multiple and better cameras truly changed the game for Pak. Bowling declined massively.
I don't think you can just point to that. It was a factor but not everything.
He will have to play 20 tests for that and will go past 300 wickets tally.
It's not just about 20-21 avg. It's about where and how those 80 wickets come. Right now I have him behind Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Steyn and Ambrose. One more quality away series( 20+ wickets - sub 25 avg) against top opponent and 300+ wickets, he will be challenging top 3 spots without doubt. If 80 wickets are mostly against weaker teams without any great series then he may remain below Steyn and Ambrose as well. So it will depend on how and where those 80 wickets come.
Bumrah’s greatness is down to his performance in Australia. Picking wickets in South Africa is no more tougher than picking wickets in Sri Lanka because of the favourable pitches for fast bowlers especially when India toured or even picking home wickets vs Australia, South Africa, England or New Zealand.
He will just have to have a good away series in NZ and he is top 3 easy
He is already top7/8
Bumrah is far better than both
Bumrah is the best bowler for India in all 3 formats. Even in IPL, he is the best bowler for his side. Hence, his workload has to be viewed through a different lens. For Australia Starc/Hazlewood in LOI first before Cummins.
I believe you - but you’re being a bit lazy with your presentation here, or maybe just deliberately being disingenuous.
Lanka were quite poor for a while. They were even whitewashed by India at home in the early 90s and India were poor away then.
Imagine if booms played in 90s bowling friendly era lmao
90s does not end in 1991 or early 90s boy.
Hadlee averages 21.58 in Asia so I don't know what you are talking about lol.I’ve said this before, it’s real cute witnessing Indians talk about fast bowling!
You guys are just starting to learn about the art.
Matches in SENA
You know in the 80s and 90s the greatest fast bowlers were judged on how they coped on the flat tracks of the subcontinent. Lillee and Hadlee had a lot of critics because of their reluctance to tour there and even when they did, didn’t have great performances.
Indians are just so funny - stick to batting boys
Lol. If it is test bowling, all will be won by the Indians.
