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How many more Test matches can Jasprit Bumrah play?

Not the same bowler anymore - Siraj is much more threatening in tests. And t20is was a bit of a dud in the Asia cup.

England test series got everyone thinking, the Asia cup confirmed it - he’s on the decline.
This is not decline. This is blip in form. Asia cup is a dud tournament to judge someone. That would make Dube > Bumrah. Nobody cares about that performance. In Tests he is still the champion. Siraj after a break played on FC match. He is in good rhythm. When in rythm Siraj is a world class bowler.
 
Not the same bowler anymore - Siraj is much more threatening in tests. And t20is was a bit of a dud in the Asia cup.

England test series got everyone thinking, the Asia cup confirmed it - he’s on the decline.
Is this a joke ? Bumrah had one bad match or so in the Eng series, but still took 14 wickets from 3 matches at avg of 26 with 2 fifers!

He is a bit out of rhythm, but it is just a matter of time before he hits his strap.
 
Is this a joke ? Bumrah had one bad match or so in the Eng series, but still took 14 wickets from 3 matches at avg of 26 with 2 fifers!

He is a bit out of rhythm, but it is just a matter of time before he hits his strap.
Don’t worry. He is doing prayers to see him break down soon. Hoping for a life threading injury or rapid decline due to any external factor.

So the claws will come out after just one bad game or series. It’s normal.

Goat Asian bowler for a reason. He doesn’t need to prove anything
 
Bumrah will likely play,

4 tests in 2026( just less schedule)
6 tests in 2027( ODI WC year so some rest)
8 tests in 2028( overseas tours will be there)
5 tests in 2029 and then injuries / effectiveness loss
1-2 more test and then retire

Total = 51( till 2025) + 4+ 6+ 8+ 6 = 75 tests.

Wickets = 330, Avg = 21
 
Bumrah will likely play,

4 tests in 2026( just less schedule)
6 tests in 2027( ODI WC year so some rest)
8 tests in 2028( overseas tours will be there)
5 tests in 2029 and then injuries / effectiveness loss
1-2 more test and then retire

Total = 51( till 2025) + 4+ 6+ 8+ 6 = 75 tests.

Wickets = 330, Avg = 21
5 in 2026 (Afg also there)
 
Bumrah will likely play,

4 tests in 2026( just less schedule)
6 tests in 2027( ODI WC year so some rest)
8 tests in 2028( overseas tours will be there)
5 tests in 2029 and then injuries / effectiveness loss
1-2 more test and then retire

Total = 51( till 2025) + 4+ 6+ 8+ 6 = 75 tests.

Wickets = 330, Avg = 21
That is a sizable number of wickets.
 
Bumrah will likely play,

4 tests in 2026( just less schedule)
6 tests in 2027( ODI WC year so some rest)
8 tests in 2028( overseas tours will be there)
5 tests in 2029 and then injuries / effectiveness loss
1-2 more test and then retire

Total = 51( till 2025) + 4+ 6+ 8+ 6 = 75 tests.

Wickets = 330, Avg = 21
Don’t think he can play more than 5 6 tests a year for the next 4 years

20 plus 51 ish

So on target 70 71 tests
At 21.75 average maybe 22.

Goat Asian bowler

But some here will be going his back gives out soon for sure

Infact most.
 
Yes 2 5-fers in 3 matches of England series is definitely decline.
It’s the effectiveness - India didn’t win any of those matches, and he didn’t perform in the right innings.

You can do your bus bud stats, we over here use our eyes and analyse son!
 
This is not decline. This is blip in form. Asia cup is a dud tournament to judge someone. That would make Dube > Bumrah. Nobody cares about that performance. In Tests he is still the champion. Siraj after a break played on FC match. He is in good rhythm. When in rythm Siraj is a world class bowler.
Look matey - I know it’s difficult to be realistic. I completely get it. When you’re a fan of someone, it’s hard to let go and keep positive and develop delusions of grandeur. Your perfectly entitled to believe what your heart tells you.

The only thing I take exception to in your post is the asterisk you put with Siraj (sigh… I wonder why) - “if he’s in rhythm…”. I mean, no bowler is world class out of rhythm lol.

It’s time to grow up and let go of your prejudice.
 
Look matey - I know it’s difficult to be realistic. I completely get it. When you’re a fan of someone, it’s hard to let go and keep positive and develop delusions of grandeur. Your perfectly entitled to believe what your heart tells you.

The only thing I take exception to in your post is the asterisk you put with Siraj (sigh… I wonder why) - “if he’s in rhythm…”. I mean, no bowler is world class out of rhythm lol.

It’s time to grow up and let go of your prejudice.
Pak fans are generally have poor sense of judging a talent. You could see from the way your current batting line up getting hyped. I am not surprised by your view. There is a pattern. Pick the best player of India and compare with random guy just to put that player down, if nobody is available compare one of the guy from the indian set up with them. Seen enough comparisons with Tendulkar with similar pattern. Except Pak fans in this forum literally any cricketing expert from any country will disagree with you. You know that too. Be it is simon doull or Ian bishop. I will take your views with bucket of salt.
 
Pak fans are generally have poor sense of judging a talent. You could see from the way your current batting line up getting hyped. I am not surprised by your view. There is a pattern. Pick the best player of India and compare with random guy just to put that player down, if nobody is available compare one of the guy from the indian set up with them. Seen enough comparisons with Tendulkar with similar pattern. Except Pak fans in this forum literally any cricketing expert from any country will disagree with you. You know that too. Be it is simon doull or Ian bishop. I will take your views with bucket of salt.
I think positivity is a great thing. Keep going my son!
 
Bumrah has poor fitness. I don't see him playing too many games.

There is a reason why he is not ATG-material. He is in the same level as Shane Bond I guess. :inti
 
Bumrah has 2 5-wicket hauls in his last 3 tests ( in England )

Tells u something about his insane standards that people are talking about his " decline " after a mediocre Asia Cup on slow pitches in steaming weather
 
I think positivity is a great thing. Keep going my son!
It is not postiivity. I know some of you were putting him down prior to BGT series. He lights up there. Then there was a thread "India without Bumrah.. can't win".. Then after England "India with Bumrah can't win". You see. Fans have this afridi level analytical skills. That is why i don't take it seriously. Even experienced pakistan cricketers are not inteligent enough to offer smart cricketing analysis.
 
It is not postiivity. I know some of you were putting him down prior to BGT series. He lights up there. Then there was a thread "India without Bumrah.. can't win".. Then after England "India with Bumrah can't win". You see. Fans have this afridi level analytical skills. That is why i don't take it seriously. Even experienced pakistan cricketers are not inteligent enough to offer smart cricketing analysis.
What was the result of the BGT series?

India’s victories vs England were without him.

His effectiveness has gone down. Stats may not have, but as you know, a lot of us don’t take stats too seriously as we were still critical of Babar at his stat padding best.

As I said delusion is a great drug, and if it helps your mental health, more power to you.
 
What was the result of the BGT series?

India’s victories vs England were without him.

His effectiveness has gone down. Stats may not have, but as you know, a lot of us don’t take stats too seriously as we were still critical of Babar at his stat padding best.

As I said delusion is a great drug, and if it helps your mental health, more power to you.
Hope you said that to your mirror. It is not just Indian cricke tteam is far ahead of pakistan also their fans in terms of judging talent are far ahead.
 
Don’t think he can play more than 5 6 tests a year for the next 4 years

20 plus 51 ish

So on target 70 71 tests
At 21.75 average maybe 22.

Goat Asian bowler

But some here will be going his back gives out soon for sure

Infact most.
It depends on the schedule.

So, next year he has T20 World Cup and 4 tests. That’s a relatively lighter schedule.

Now in 2027, India plays Australia at home for 5 tests in Jan-Feb. So, he can play 3 of these tests as he is coming from a lighter previous year schedule. Then IPL, WTC Final and finally focus on ODI World Cup. In the year end, India will likely have a 2 or 3 match tour to South Africa where conditions are usually seamer friendly. So, all in all, a good chance to complete 6-7 tests. There will likely be one home series too in between vs SL/BD but he can skip that.

Then in 2028, ODIs are no longer relevant. India will likely have a home series scheduled vs England and New Zealand and then during the year end, an away tour to Australia. He can play some and rest in between but this is the year similar to 2024( where he played 14 tests). This time around, he should handle about 8 tests maybe.

He will likely be done with Test cricket after 2027-29 WTC schedule gets finished.
 
It depends on the schedule.

So, next year he has T20 World Cup and 4 tests. That’s a relatively lighter schedule.

Now in 2027, India plays Australia at home for 5 tests in Jan-Feb. So, he can play 3 of these tests as he is coming from a lighter previous year schedule. Then IPL, WTC Final and finally focus on ODI World Cup. In the year end, India will likely have a 2 or 3 match tour to South Africa where conditions are usually seamer friendly. So, all in all, a good chance to complete 6-7 tests. There will likely be one home series too in between vs SL/BD but he can skip that.

Then in 2028, ODIs are no longer relevant. India will likely have a home series scheduled vs England and New Zealand and then during the year end, an away tour to Australia. He can play some and rest in between but this is the year similar to 2024( where he played 14 tests). This time around, he should handle about 8 tests maybe.

He will likely be done with Test cricket after 2027-29 WTC schedule gets finished.


Non-WTC Afghanistan test in summer 2025.

Can be 1-2 more till 2029 with Zimbabwe etc
 
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Pakistanis man, they have legendary coping mechanisms. They’re the type who get knocked out cold and then brag about how they heroically blocked the punch with their face, lol.
One of their fans on this forum said, I quote him/her,

Their bowlers almost won them the Asia cup.

I'm astonished to read this. Did they really come that close to win it? I doubt it. In the end, we won it without much hiccups, save 3/20 stage.

That's not almost winning the trophy.
 
Why not.

Test wickets are test wickets.

All of the older players have **** ton vs Bangladesh/Zimbabwe and 80s Sri Lanka etc.

No need to play white ball bilateral.
That’s fine but not in the same world where he is skipping test matches vs England, NZ and Australia due to workload concerns and finds himself injured every 1.5 year which leads to him missing an ICC tournament ( like CT 2025, WT20 2022).
 
That’s fine but not in the same world where he is skipping test matches vs England and Australia and finds himself injured every 1.5 year which leads to him missing an ICC tournament ( like CT 2025, WT20 2022).
Those are 1 off matches with month long gaps after IPL.
 
Calling Bumrah as ineffective in the same year when he is averaging 23 in test cricket must be among the funniest things I have read here in a long time. That average is better than what great Wasim Akram did over his entire career. So was Wasim ineffective too?

Tests against SENA nations:

Bumrah - 185 wickets @ 21.56 from 42 tests
Wasim - 180 wickets @ 24.68 from 44 tests
Waqar - 174 wickets @ 25.44 from 43 tests

Tests vs SENA nations :

Bumrah - 159 wickets @ 21.46 from 34 matches
Wasim - 146 @ 24.11 from 32 tests
Waqar - 119 @ 29 from 33 tests

There is no doubt that Bumrah is already the GOAT Asian fast bowler.
 
One of their fans on this forum said, I quote him/her,

Their bowlers almost won them the Asia cup.

I'm astonished to read this. Did they really come that close to win it? I doubt it. In the end, we won it without much hiccups, save 3/20 stage.

That's not almost winning the trophy.
Look, you gotta understand where they’re coming from. Deep down, they know their team is a stinking pile of manure, and given the state of their economy, things are only going to get worse. Winning anything meaningful isn’t even on the horizon, so all they can do is cling to miracles, upsets, and the occasional fluke. That’s why they celebrate the smallest scraps: Bumrah being hit for a couple of sixes, Kuldeep leaking a few runs, or managing a 50+ powerplay.

As their team keeps sinking, so do their expectations. Now, just showing a bit of fight is enough to keep them happy. Without even realizing it, they’re sliding into minnow territory, content with crumbs because they’ve forgotten what a real meal looks like.
 
Calling Bumrah as ineffective in the same year when he is averaging 23 in test cricket must be among the funniest things I have read here in a long time. That average is better than what great Wasim Akram did over his entire career. So was Wasim ineffective too?

Tests against SENA nations:

Bumrah - 185 wickets @ 21.56 from 42 tests
Wasim - 180 wickets @ 24.68 from 44 tests
Waqar - 174 wickets @ 25.44 from 43 tests

Tests vs SENA nations :

Bumrah - 159 wickets @ 21.46 from 34 matches
Wasim - 146 @ 24.11 from 32 tests
Waqar - 119 @ 29 from 33 tests

There is no doubt that Bumrah is already the GOAT Asian fast bowler.
All of SENA were strong during Bumrah's career

England and NZ were weak during Wasim and Waqar's
 
One of their fans on this forum said, I quote him/her,

Their bowlers almost won them the Asia cup.

I'm astonished to read this. Did they really come that close to win it? I doubt it. In the end, we won it without much hiccups, save 3/20 stage.

That's not almost winning the trophy.
Minnow mentality
:fizz
 
All of SENA were strong during Bumrah's career

England and NZ were weak during Wasim and Waqar's
Really - is that why England had no1 and no2 ranked batsmen in their team in 1992? Is that why they drew 2-2 to West Indies in 1991?

Is that why NZ tied 2 series vs Aus in the early 90s

Educate yourself boy
 
I’ve said this before, it’s real cute witnessing Indians talk about fast bowling!

You guys are just starting to learn about the art.

Matches in SENA 😂😂😂


You know in the 80s and 90s the greatest fast bowlers were judged on how they coped on the flat tracks of the subcontinent. Lillee and Hadlee had a lot of critics because of their reluctance to tour there and even when they did, didn’t have great performances.

Indians are just so funny - stick to batting boys
 
I’ve said this before, it’s real cute witnessing Indians talk about fast bowling!

You guys are just starting to learn about the art.

Matches in SENA 😂😂😂


You know in the 80s and 90s the greatest fast bowlers were judged on how they coped on the flat tracks of the subcontinent. Lillee and Hadlee had a lot of critics because of their reluctance to tour there and even when they did, didn’t have great performances.

Indians are just so funny - stick to batting boys

1980s & 1990s soda bottle cap era. You have a grand total of 3 fast bowlers that took 200 wickets in Tests. That's it.

2000s In your own backyard Indian rookie fast bowlers like IRfan pathan, Rp singh, Balaji outbowld your pacers.

India vs Pakistan in Pakistan

Indian fast bowlers average 40 in Pakistan vs Pakistan
Pakistan fast bowlers average 48 in pakistan vs India

Screenshot-2025-10-02-153836.jpg
 
1980s & 1990s soda bottle cap era. You have a grand total of 3 fast bowlers that took 200 wickets in Tests. That's it.

2000s In your own backyard Indian rookie fast bowlers like IRfan pathan, Rp singh, Balaji outbowld your pacers.

India vs Pakistan in Pakistan

Indian fast bowlers average 40 in Pakistan vs Pakistan
Pakistan fast bowlers average 48 in pakistan vs India

Screenshot-2025-10-02-153836.jpg
Stats doesn't matter. They are still living in the 92 era and denying reality.
 
1980s & 1990s soda bottle cap era. You have a grand total of 3 fast bowlers that took 200 wickets in Tests. That's it.

2000s In your own backyard Indian rookie fast bowlers like IRfan pathan, Rp singh, Balaji outbowld your pacers.

India vs Pakistan in Pakistan

Indian fast bowlers average 40 in Pakistan vs Pakistan
Pakistan fast bowlers average 48 in pakistan vs India

Screenshot-2025-10-02-153836.jpg


We don’t play as many tests, and our bowlers don’t chase stats. Who would you rather have Umar Gul or Pathan? RP Singh or Amir? Zaheer or Asif?

Get real man. Sorry we don’t live on statsguru
 
I’ve said this before, it’s real cute witnessing Indians talk about fast bowling!

You guys are just starting to learn about the art.

Matches in SENA 😂😂😂


You know in the 80s and 90s the greatest fast bowlers were judged on how they coped on the flat tracks of the subcontinent. Lillee and Hadlee had a lot of critics because of their reluctance to tour there and even when they did, didn’t have great performances.

Indians are just so funny - stick to batting boys
We all know the reason why Pakistani bowlers had great numbers at home but sucked away, particularly in SENA.

I think the stats was shared by @Buffet of the discrepancy between home and away which has never happened in history of cricket and how the numbers at home changed overnight after a brief period when suddenly the world started scrutinizing reverse swing.
 
We all know the reason why Pakistani bowlers had great numbers at home but sucked away, particularly in SENA.

I think the stats was shared by @Buffet of the discrepancy between home and away which has never happened in history of cricket and how the numbers at home changed overnight after a brief period when suddenly the world started scrutinizing reverse swing.
They just run hard and bowl fast. Akram for all his legendary status just reads the score card. Someone like Varun Aaron has way better analysis than any of their "legendary fast bowlers". If their fast bowlers can't provide analysis imagine the fans.
 
I don't think he has alot of cricket left in him. I think we are starting to get close to the phase of his career where you will see him rested for long periods of time and only be utilized for important test series and ICC tournaments. He should easily get 300+ wickets though so his name among fast-bowling greatness will likely be sealed.

But he really needs to stop playing the IPL at some point soon if he wants to prolong his international career. I know it's easier for someone like me to say - I'm not being paid millions - but the workload of that whole season is going to be a big burden on his fitness as he gets older. He has a history of back injuries that I feel are linked to his bowling action. Something like that will only get worse with age.
 
We all know the reason why Pakistani bowlers had great numbers at home but sucked away, particularly in SENA.

I think the stats was shared by @Buffet of the discrepancy between home and away which has never happened in history of cricket and how the numbers at home changed overnight after a brief period when suddenly the world started scrutinizing reverse swing.
We don’t need your validation - it’s much harder to bowl in Pakistan than anywhere worse in the world.

The bowlers did well on tours to England, New Zealand, West Indies. Wasim had a great tour of Aus in 1989-90 too.

I responded to Buffet’s analysis which with the greatest respect was very basic. A statistics teacher would throw that analysis away
 
And honestly - you guys are entitled to hate Pakistan and Pakistanis - but what the heck are you doing here?
 
Why not.

Test wickets are test wickets.

All of the older players have **** ton vs Bangladesh/Zimbabwe and 80s Sri Lanka etc.

Wasim has 100 test wickets vs Bang/Zim and pre-1996 SL.

Waqar has 111.

No need to play white ball bilateral.
Wasim real average is 28 vs SEWAI teams

Waqar is absolute filth. 33. Worse than shoaib and shami vs top teams. That’s why I put the latter two above him.

Imran khan is pretty damn good. Only one close to bumrah.
 
Why not.

Test wickets are test wickets.

All of the older players have **** ton vs Bangladesh/Zimbabwe and 80s Sri Lanka etc.

Wasim has 100 test wickets vs Bang/Zim and pre-1996 SL.

Waqar has 111.

No need to play white ball bilateral.
I did not know Wasim too stat padder that much. I agree with ban and zim stat padding but dint Lanka produce flat wickets? In 90s
 
Calling Bumrah as ineffective in the same year when he is averaging 23 in test cricket must be among the funniest things I have read here in a long time. That average is better than what great Wasim Akram did over his entire career. So was Wasim ineffective too?

Tests against SENA nations:

Bumrah - 185 wickets @ 21.56 from 42 tests
Wasim - 180 wickets @ 24.68 from 44 tests
Waqar - 174 wickets @ 25.44 from 43 tests

Tests vs SENA nations :

Bumrah - 159 wickets @ 21.46 from 34 matches
Wasim - 146 @ 24.11 from 32 tests
Waqar - 119 @ 29 from 33 tests

There is no doubt that Bumrah is already the GOAT Asian fast bowler.
Nonsense

In Wasim Waqar the top 4 teams were different. New Zealand and England were trash teams

So it’s sewa or SEWAI

And they were pretty average vs those teams. Wasim was better than Waqar though. Still behind bumrah
 
We don’t play as many tests, and our bowlers don’t chase stats. Who would you rather have Umar Gul or Pathan? RP Singh or Amir? Zaheer or Asif?

Get real man. Sorry we don’t live on statsguru
We don’t play as many tests

Conditions were difficult in our own home

We couldn’t use bottle caps

We couldnt bribe refs.

We couldnt match fix games like we did to win in sharjah

We couldn’t compete because we had a lot of in fighting.

We couldn’t compete because Waqar dint like playing alongside wasim

We lacked the passion to win.
 
We don’t need your validation - it’s much harder to bowl in Pakistan than anywhere worse in the world.

The bowlers did well on tours to England, New Zealand, West Indies. Wasim had a great tour of Aus in 1989-90 too.

I responded to Buffet’s analysis which with the greatest respect was very basic. A statistics teacher would throw that analysis away
Wasim was a top player in odi

Was very good in tests but not the best. Imran was better

Still below bumrah though.
 
Really - is that why England had no1 and no2 ranked batsmen in their team in 1992? Is that why they drew 2-2 to West Indies in 1991?

Is that why NZ tied 2 series vs Aus in the early 90s Educate yourself boy

He is directionally correct.

Early 90s - non-minnows : Aus, SA, WI and Pak were strong. Eng, Ind and NZ were bottom 3 teams by a wide margin and NZ had worst record among all minnows.


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Last 10 years- situation is different and all SENA teams have W/L > 1. Pakistan, SL and WI in the last 10 years have replaced Eng,Ind and NZ of early 90s as the bottom 3 teams.

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He is directionally correct.

Early 90s - non-minnows : Aus, SA, WI and Pak were strong. Eng, Ind and NZ were bottom 3 teams by a wide margin and NZ had worst record among all minnows.


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Last 10 years- situation is different and all SENA teams have W/L > 1. Pakistan, SL and WI in the last 10 years have replaced Eng,Ind and NZ of early 90s as the bottom 3 teams.

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I’ve answered this before - look it up. Stats and searching is your thing.
 
I did not expect Bumrah to get to 220+ test wickets based on his action. I will be surpised if he crosses 300+ but if he does that with similar effectiveness then I will put him along side Marshall, McGrath and Hadlee.
 
I’ve answered this before - look it up. Stats and searching is your thing.
Nah, I have watched entire 90s. Presenting stats to back up what I am saying. Without stats anyone can make up any random stuff. NZ was a poor team in early 90s. No two ways about it. When all said and done, W/L reflects standing of teams in certain period as long as large enough sample size exist.
 
Nah, I have watched entire 90s. Without stats anyone can make up any random stuff. NZ was a poor team in early 90s. No two ways about it. When all said and one, W/L reflects standing of teams in certain period as long as large enough sample size exist.
Nah you ain’t watched enough then. You’re just a very good stats collector mate, not a bad skill to have, but as any stats teacher would tell you, you need background knowledge too.
 
I don't think he has alot of cricket left in him. I think we are starting to get close to the phase of his career where you will see him rested for long periods of time and only be utilized for important test series and ICC tournaments. He should easily get 300+ wickets though so his name among fast-bowling greatness will likely be sealed.

But he really needs to stop playing the IPL at some point soon if he wants to prolong his international career. I know it's easier for someone like me to say - I'm not being paid millions - but the workload of that whole season is going to be a big burden on his fitness as he gets older. He has a history of back injuries that I feel are linked to his bowling action. Something like that will only get worse with age.
May not be so easy. With his action, injury can happen any time and he is not young to come back like he did last time.
 
Nah you ain’t watched enough then. You’re just a very good stats collector mate, not a bad skill to have, but as any stats teacher would tell you, you need background knowledge too.
I actually make a great living based on getting information from raw stats. That's my job. I don't need a stats teacher.
 
He is directionally correct.

Early 90s - non-minnows : Aus, SA, WI and Pak were strong. Eng, Ind and NZ were bottom 3 teams by a wide margin and NZ had worst record among all minnows.


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Last 10 years- situation is different and all SENA teams have W/L > 1. Pakistan, SL and WI in the last 10 years have replaced Eng,Ind and NZ of early 90s as the bottom 3 teams.

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Multiple and better cameras truly changed the game for Pak. Bowling declined massively.
 
It will be great to see one away series with 20+ wickets and sub 25 avg from Bumrah. It won't be possible unless he is at his best. Even best in history don't do it more than couple of times.

From asia, around 10 times pacers have taken 20+ wickets with sub 25 avg when playing away. Bumrah has done it 3 times, if he can do it one more time then it will be 4th time for him.

Many posters think that 80 wicket from here should be easy for him, I am not so sure. It's lots of wickets with someone with his action. I am geniunely shocked that he has 220+ test wickets with his action.
 
Multiple and better cameras truly changed the game for Pak. Bowling declined massively.
I don't think you can just point to that. It was a factor but not everything.

One of the main reason is not having a good domestic structure. In older times, county polished many Pakistani players and helped them grow. Now that option is blocked so not having a good domestic structure is having a bigger impact.
 
It will be great to see one away series with 20+ wickets and sub 25 avg from Bumrah. It won't be possible unless he is at his best. Even best in history don't do it more than couple of times.

From asia, around 10 times pacers have taken 20+ wickets with sub 25 avg when playing away. Bumrah has done it 3 times, if he can do it one more time then it will be 4th time for him.

Many posters think that 80 wicket from here should be easy for him, I am not so sure. It's lots of wickets with someone with his action. I am geniunely shocked that he has 220+ test wickets with his action.
He will have to play 20 tests for that and will go past 300 wickets tally.

It is all down to his fitness. Remember, Michael Holding was rated pretty high for his away performance too but he was injury prone himself and hence could only manage 60 tests @250 wickets. But in case of Bumrah, he is used very smartly so it is possible for him to go past 300 wickets.

I reckon if he picks 300 wickets and ends his career avg at 20-21, he is a top 7-8 test bowler of all time and you can put him anywhere between no.4 to no.8. Marshall, McGrath and Hadlee would still be top 3 though.
 
He will have to play 20 tests for that and will go past 300 wickets tally.

It is all down to his fitness. Remember, Michael Holding was rated pretty high for his away performance too but he was injury prone himself and hence could only manage 60 tests @250 wickets. But in case of Bumrah, he is used very smartly so it is possible for him to go past 300 wickets.

I reckon if he picks 300 wickets and ends his career avg at 20-21, he is a top 7-8 test bowler of all time and you can put him anywhere between no.4 to no.8. Marshall, McGrath and Hadlee would still be top 3 though.
It's not just about 20-21 avg. It's about where and how those 80 wickets come. Right now I have him behind Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Steyn and Ambrose. One more quality away series( 20+ wickets - sub 25 avg) against top opponent and 300+ wickets, he will be challenging top 3 spots without doubt. If 80 wickets are mostly against weaker teams without any great series then he may remain below Steyn and Ambrose as well. So it will depend on how and where those 80 wickets come.

I don't rate 100 wickets against minnows or against very weak team that high. Reason I rate Bumrah very high is due to his bulk of wickes coming against top teams and away. Very few pacers in history has similar record in tough tours.
 
It's not just about 20-21 avg. It's about where and how those 80 wickets come. Right now I have him behind Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Steyn and Ambrose. One more quality away series( 20+ wickets - sub 25 avg) against top opponent and 300+ wickets, he will be challenging top 3 spots without doubt. If 80 wickets are mostly against weaker teams without any great series then he may remain below Steyn and Ambrose as well. So it will depend on how and where those 80 wickets come.

I don't rate 100 wickets against minnows or against very weak team that high. Reason I rate Bumrah very high is due to his bulk of wickes coming against top teams and away. Very few pacers in history has similar record in tough tours.
Bumrah’s greatness is down to his performance in Australia. Picking wickets in South Africa is no more tougher than picking wickets in Sri Lanka because of the favourable pitches for fast bowlers especially when India toured or even picking home wickets vs Australia, South Africa, England or New Zealand.

There is no denying to Bumrah’s greatness but it is helped by workload management which includes skipping tests even when team was 1-1 drawn or 1 match down. Hence, it is early days for me to put him in top 5-6 league already.
 
Bumrah will play another 25-30 Tests. However I feel the final 10 Tests will be a drag for him. He is 2 months shy of 32. With his injuries, he will be lucky to play more than 30 Tests and keep up the performance.

I feel he will retire with around 75 -80 Tests with around 320-350 Wickets. He has a terrific average of 19.82. Hope he does not let it cross over 22 by dragging his career.
 
Bumrah will play another 25-30 Tests. However I feel the final 10 Tests will be a drag for him. He is 2 months shy of 32. With his injuries, he will be lucky to play more than 30 Tests and keep up the performance.

I feel he will retire with around 75 -80 Tests with around 320-350 Wickets. He has a terrific average of 19.82. Hope he does not let it cross over 22 by dragging his career.
Impossible to get to 80 tests

I predict 70 max.
 
It's not just about 20-21 avg. It's about where and how those 80 wickets come. Right now I have him behind Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Steyn and Ambrose. One more quality away series( 20+ wickets - sub 25 avg) against top opponent and 300+ wickets, he will be challenging top 3 spots without doubt. If 80 wickets are mostly against weaker teams without any great series then he may remain below Steyn and Ambrose as well. So it will depend on how and where those 80 wickets come.

I don't rate 100 wickets against minnows or against very weak team that high. Reason I rate Bumrah very high is due to his bulk of wickes coming against top teams and away. Very few pacers in history has similar record in tough tours.
He will just have to have a good away series in NZ and he is top 3 easy

Like easy. Super easy. No questions about it.

Or if he has another good tour of England then yea he has pretty much got it in the bag. Easy top 3/4

Right now I have him at 6. Just behind Ambrose and Steyn.
 
He will have to play 20 tests for that and will go past 300 wickets tally.

It is all down to his fitness. Remember, Michael Holding was rated pretty high for his away performance too but he was injury prone himself and hence could only manage 60 tests @250 wickets. But in case of Bumrah, he is used very smartly so it is possible for him to go past 300 wickets.

I reckon if he picks 300 wickets and ends his career avg at 20-21, he is a top 7-8 test bowler of all time and you can put him anywhere between no.4 to no.8. Marshall, McGrath and Hadlee would still be top 3 though.
He is already top7/8

He could be top 3/4 if he has one good away performance again in England or in nz.
 
For all the praise of Cummins and Rabada, Bumrah is the only current bowler who has 50 wickets in 3 different countries, (in Australia, England and India).

Cummins has only in Australia and England, doesn't even have 30 wickets in any other country.

Rabada has only 1 country, 180 wickets at home and doesn't have even 40 wickets in any other country.

And both Cummins and Rabada have almost 100 wickets more than Bumrah.

Bumrah has the true all round performance.
 
For all the praise of Cummins and Rabada, Bumrah is the only current bowler who has 50 wickets in 3 different countries, (in Australia, England and India).

Cummins has only in Australia and England, doesn't even have 30 wickets in any other country.

Rabada has only 1 country, 180 wickets at home and doesn't have even 40 wickets in any other country.

And both Cummins and Rabada have almost 100 wickets more than Bumrah.

Bumrah has the true all round performance.
Bumrah is far better than both

He is top 6 all time alredy
People need to stop living in nostalgia

Goat Asian fast bowler for a reason

If he was bowling on seaming South African tracks in home conditions or bouncy Aussie tracks or the West Indies 2 faced unprepared tracks of 90s

He would average 15 kid you not. 15

He has to play in India in spin friendly conditions to get his wickets. He doesn’t have that option to stat pad

That’s why Asian bowlers should always be rated higher on average given the play on docile tracks.

Anyway if he has one more good series in England and or Nz then that’s it he is top 3/4 all time.
 
For all the praise of Cummins and Rabada, Bumrah is the only current bowler who has 50 wickets in 3 different countries, (in Australia, England and India).

Cummins has only in Australia and England, doesn't even have 30 wickets in any other country.

Rabada has only 1 country, 180 wickets at home and doesn't have even 40 wickets in any other country.

And both Cummins and Rabada have almost 100 wickets more than Bumrah.

Bumrah has the true all round performance.
Bumrah is the best bowler for India in all 3 formats. Even in IPL, he is the best bowler for his side. Hence, his workload has to be viewed through a different lens. For Australia Starc/Hazlewood in LOI first before Cummins.
 
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